The ESL Open Cups allow all aspiring professionals and talented players, based in Europe, South Korea and Americas, to participate in weekly tournaments. These contribute 15 points towards the ESL Pro Tour ranking and $100 USD in prize money, each tournament, each region, each week.
These tournaments are open for all players, there are no regional restrictions.
So is there a reason why most Koreans are skiping those cups? To early in the day maybe? I don't know how I feel with True winning a Korean cup without playing a single other Korean player.
On January 26 2020 23:50 Nakajin wrote: So is there a reason why most Koreans are skiping those cups? To early in the day maybe? I don't know how I feel with True winning a Korean cup without playing a single other Korean player.
Oh well, it still give some great games!
Last two weeks there was overlap with the BJ Destruction Match. This week everyone probably got wasted for Lunar New Year. We'll see how the bracket looks next week when there should be no significant overlap with anything. At least the online hero regulars should get involved then.
European brackets for last two tournaments are looking really different compared to last years challengers etc. because Reynor and Serral are missing and Elazer and Lambo are not reaching semifinals.
That series was fantastic. Parting's stream was also hilarious after he lost to Scarlett. Played the sad music and lamented his loss and eventually got $100 in donations lmao. He also sang 1000 miles w/ duckdeok which was.. interesting.
On February 02 2020 18:09 Elentos wrote: Solar is just gonna win every KR cup he participates in and have the easiest time ever getting to the Global Finals.
You need to win 50 cups to make up for a 17th-24th/9th-12th differential in GSL
On February 02 2020 18:09 Elentos wrote: Solar is just gonna win every KR cup he participates in and have the easiest time ever getting to the Global Finals.
You need to win 50 cups to make up for a 17th-24th/9th-12th differential in GSL
The point distribution is different than for WCS last year (though we don't know all of its details yet including GSL). It's been changed to be less top heavy and also to have fewer points overall, so 50 cups will almost certainly be worth more than that. My guess is that 50 cups should be around the same value as a GSL top 4, but it really depends on how they want to weigh GSL against global events.
On February 16 2020 14:13 Nakajin wrote: The year is 2020 and both Astrea and Mcanning have a better seed than every single Koreans in a Korean cup bracket. Trump really did it
Better than the renowned names of Zoun, Chance, control, and gyulzzing? :D In all fairness, though, I suppose Zoun should have had a better seed.
It's honestly surprising how lackluster the Korean roster to the KR cup is. It feels like most every comparable online event has a better Korean lineup.
On February 16 2020 14:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's honestly surprising how lackluster the Korean roster to the KR cup is. It feels like most every comparable online event has a better Korean lineup.
They can double the amount of points given to all these ESL online cups. That may give Koreans a higher incentive to play, as well as top players from other regions to play (in EU, Reynor and Serral don't play these ESL Online cups either).
On February 16 2020 16:25 sudete wrote: EU and NA cups more exciting than KR cup, kinda sad
Zombiegrub expects more Koreans to Comepete there after Katowice. She said that the Koreans are even more about hiding strats than other Pros due to their Kespa background. Also for some unknown reason to her they also seem to dislike online cups in general. Anyways GGs to Zoun, very impressive how fast he is improving in just a couple of month after coming back to SC2!!
On February 16 2020 14:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's honestly surprising how lackluster the Korean roster to the KR cup is. It feels like most every comparable online event has a better Korean lineup.
Beyond hiding strats for upcoming tournaments probably being a concern for the Koreans (upcoming big events have always coincided with lower participation in online events), people play online cups mostly for money. And Kung Fu Cup and Olimoleague are better deals on that end.
We're a long way away before people seriously start playing for the points in KR I believe.
On February 16 2020 14:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's honestly surprising how lackluster the Korean roster to the KR cup is. It feels like most every comparable online event has a better Korean lineup.
Beyond hiding strats for upcoming tournaments probably being a concern for the Koreans (upcoming big events have always coincided with lower participation in online events), people play online cups mostly for money. And Kung Fu Cup and Olimoleague are better deals on that end.
We're a long way away before people seriously start playing for the points in KR I believe.
I feel like the points are too low to be exciting. In EU and NA people love them because so much seeding is done based on these points, to the stage where a good run at IEM early in the year has even qualified people before because they get better groups for every challenger, then circuit event. Every group stage then bracket is decided by points.
For Koreans this doesn’t exist because GSL uses their own form of seeding, so ten points doesnt seem game changing. We very rarely see Koreans missing out on word champs by a few points and you’re talking about winning so many cups for that to work out. Yes, some will probably start trying to grind more, but not everyone like in EU.
Also I’ve always felt Korean stuff starting at midday korean time, especially on a Sunday, isnt a timezone a lot of these guys play in. The Korean ladder is usually very quiet at those hours so players aren’t often around at that time.
Id be surprised if the lineup changes much after Katowice outside of the usual onliners popping in each week.
On February 16 2020 14:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's honestly surprising how lackluster the Korean roster to the KR cup is. It feels like most every comparable online event has a better Korean lineup.
Beyond hiding strats for upcoming tournaments probably being a concern for the Koreans (upcoming big events have always coincided with lower participation in online events), people play online cups mostly for money. And Kung Fu Cup and Olimoleague are better deals on that end.
We're a long way away before people seriously start playing for the points in KR I believe.
I feel like the points are too low to be exciting. In EU and NA people love them because so much seeding is done based on these points, to the stage where a good run at IEM early in the year has even qualified people before because they get better groups for every challenger, then circuit event. Every group stage then bracket is decided by points.
For Koreans this doesn’t exist because GSL uses their own form of seeding, so ten points doesnt seem game changing. We very rarely see Koreans missing out on word champs by a few points and you’re talking about winning so many cups for that to work out. Yes, some will probably start trying to grind more, but not everyone like in EU.
Also I’ve always felt Korean stuff starting at midday korean time, especially on a Sunday, isnt a timezone a lot of these guys play in. The Korean ladder is usually very quiet at those hours so players aren’t often around at that time.
Id be surprised if the lineup changes much after Katowice outside of the usual onliners popping in each week.
I'm not sure increasing the points would do anything until you increase them to a (comparatively) crazy amount. I agree that most online cups are tempting due to prize pool for KR so we see better participation in other online tournaments, but I've also touched on the 'weirdness' of the EPL times before. It seems like a great time for Koreans but yeah, KR-timed tournaments have basically never started 1-2pm KST.
It's a good point about the GSL seeding, but do we know that's going to continue since GSL hasn't officially been announced/explained? Honest Q.
Solar's recent interview gave some perspective on participation which I was glad to see, since I also talked about how I don't want to speak for Korean players when I go over a list of potential 'whys' they don't show up.
"Because it's just 10 points per win, I don't think the players really understand the importance of it. The top players, in particular, think they will [qualify] anyway...So I think the players are a little overconfident...Also, as far as I know, there are a lot of players who won't be able to travel overseas next year. Probably more than fans expect, the top tier players will be barred from travelling. So I don't think they're worried that much about earning points this year."
In general I think participation/importance of these cups for all regions will fluctuate. People thinking they do add up, people thinking they aren't worth the 5 hours, it just losing its novelty, new tournaments being announced, people thinking they've 'secured their spot via main tournament winnings', etc etc.
On February 17 2020 12:42 geokilla wrote: With no KR league announced still, why would Koreans bother playing in it?
Solar just sayed in his interview, that there are going to be 3 GSLs and that the Pros all know that. He just didn t go any further, because its not offically announced yet.
Do we know, when they are going to change the seeding from last years WCS points to the ESL points, the Players earned so far? Next weekend or do we have to wait until 1st GSL and EPT Major are done?
And the other Germans are doing mighty fine as well. Germany is almost as dominat in Open Cups Eu as Korea is in Open Cups Kr And Big Gabe allready overtook Has in the standings despite Has deeper run at IEM.
Ro8 full of Korean Pros (and Special) I gues that s quite a decent tournup for Kr Open Cup I m not realy expecting more until way later in the year tbh.
These EU cups are some good stuff. Today we have Cure being like 'WHAT?! A cup never won by a Korean?! Challenge accepted!'. We have Heromarine continuing with his strangehold over the cup with a top 4. And we have Clem already waiting for him in the finals, after another Germany vs. France match he won.
On March 09 2020 03:06 Musicus wrote: HeroMarine is a beast in EPT Open Cups!
Petition to rename EPT Open Cups into ESL Meisterschaft.
Hasuobs will be over those in a second.
Also Bly just broke the 13 000 professional game played with this cup, if he sign up for tonight NA cup the mad lad should also broke the 8000 win mark. (he's currently sitting at 7997 map wins)
On March 09 2020 03:06 Musicus wrote: HeroMarine is a beast in EPT Open Cups!
Petition to rename EPT Open Cups into ESL Meisterschaft.
Hasuobs will be over those in a second.
Also Bly just broke the 13 000 professional game played with this cup, if he sign up for tonight NA cup the mad lad should also broke the 8000 win mark. (he's currently sitting at 7997 map wins)
Socke and Goody are also getting ready to rejoin. Goody might even break 100 APM this time.
NA Cup is still pretty unexciting If it says like that NA is rewarding those players, that can stand the Paint to stay up late from EU or get up Early from Kr.. As long as Neeb isn t participating, it s almost only the other two regions.. On another Note, why hasPolt a lower seed than PIG? I mean he shouldn t be in top 10, but that is quite rough
Bly has it! 8000 win to his name. Next stop is to have more win than the second most active player, Nerchio, has overall map played, a bit shy of 9000.
This year, he should also pass Nerchio for the highest number of tournament where he made it into the money in all of Starcraft, as such he would also become the no2 in this category throughout all of Esport history. (First one with a comfortable lead is M2K, and the 4th is actually none other than Solar)
Crazy how far ling all-ins and proxy hatch can get you.
No that would make these tourneys boring, koreans and NA players play on Eu as well. Cure reached the semi's while neeb won one on eu right? Eu players have a pretty big ping disadvantage already against na players
One of the craziest finals for sure. What a final fight, what a match and what a special ESL cup. For all the EU peeps that read this in the morning.. Watch this finals back! Gratz to uthermal for winning his first esl cup. Was only a matter of time but did he take his time
On March 16 2020 03:13 TheOneAboveU wrote: That was a sick game 3 between Heromarine and souL. Big Gabe makes another finals! Edit: Big Gabe Weekly confirmed!
On March 16 2020 03:13 TheOneAboveU wrote: That was a sick game 3 between Heromarine and souL. Big Gabe makes another finals! Edit: Big Gabe Weekly confirmed!
Are we sure it wasn't just a no show from Armani? Because he then went on to lose vs a protoss who has neither a liquipedia page nor an aligulac page...
On March 16 2020 08:19 Nakajin wrote: Are we sure it wasn't just a no show from Armani? Because he then went on to lose vs a protoss who has neither a liquipedia page nor an aligulac page...
well I considered it but usually no shows are W, not 2 0, so I guess it did happen
On March 16 2020 08:19 Nakajin wrote: Are we sure it wasn't just a no show from Armani? Because he then went on to lose vs a protoss who has neither a liquipedia page nor an aligulac page...
well I considered it but usually no shows are W, not 2 0, so I guess it did happen
On March 16 2020 08:19 Nakajin wrote: Are we sure it wasn't just a no show from Armani? Because he then went on to lose vs a protoss who has neither a liquipedia page nor an aligulac page...
On March 16 2020 14:49 dbRic1203 wrote: 2 NA Players in Top 8 NA Cup I Don t get how they Deserve 3 Spots more than China
It's almost as though Neeb and Scarlett didn't take part
Just like Reynor, Serral, Showtime, Elazer With Special, Clem and Heromarine there was a kind of even representation of top EU and NA pros And Scarlett taking part anywhere in the last 1.5 years didn t realy guarantee any good results anyways... So its kind of unfair for Neeb to put him in one basket with here, he s way better and way more consistent.
Lately I am really enjoying Chickenman's coverage of the ESL Open Cups. He has a laid back, relaxed way of casting StarCraft. Whenever I see his stream is active, I am likely to tune in because he is very pleasant to listen to.
North America has as many medals in the Korea weekly as they do in the North American one. The US hasnt medaled in North America but has medals in both EU and Korea. Alright then
On March 16 2020 14:49 dbRic1203 wrote: 2 NA Players in Top 8 NA Cup I Don t get how they Deserve 3 Spots more than China
It's almost as though Neeb and Scarlett didn't take part
Well Neeb participating this week realy changed the whole picture
Yep, didn't make a difference this week either.
On that note, it'll go under the radar due to the 0-3 against reynor in THAT particular matchup but neeb posted some decent results for the first time this year beating lambo, elazer and showtime. He did win that other EU cup but the lineup was considerably weaker
On March 16 2020 14:49 dbRic1203 wrote: 2 NA Players in Top 8 NA Cup I Don t get how they Deserve 3 Spots more than China
It's almost as though Neeb and Scarlett didn't take part
Well Neeb participating this week realy changed the whole picture
Yep, didn't make a difference this week either.
On that note, it'll go under the radar due to the 0-3 against reynor in THAT particular matchup but neeb posted some decent results for the first time this year beating lambo, elazer and showtime. He did win that other EU cup but the lineup was considerably weaker
Yeah, finaly the first good Impression from Neeb Let s hope he getting that more consistently from now on..
Only one Foreigner in Ro8 Kr Cup. Party due to no Show by some Open Cup regulars like Astrea, Special, Scarlett but also realy strong (online-) Koreans participating with Cure, Solar, Parting and Trap
Was this the first time Future got points this year? Edit: Yes it was, also the 1st Medal for USA in an EPT Open so far. Who would have thought, that it would be Future of all the players? Also Neeb should realy think about playing the NA Cup instead of the EU Cup... I know, he doesn t like playing on NA, as the hours to play on Eu are more like a normal Job for him, but the Eu Cup is just so much harder for him..
On April 20 2020 15:08 dbRic1203 wrote: Was this the first time Future got points this year? Edit: Yes it was, also the 1st Medal for USA in an EPT Open so far. Who would have thought, that it would be Future of all the players? Also Neeb should realy think about playing the NA Cup instead of the EU Cup... I know, he doesn t like playing on NA, as the hours to play on Eu are more like a normal Job for him, but the Eu Cup is just so much harder for him..
Neeb did win the EU Open Cup #5, and Astrea got a couple silvers in KR, so it's really just the first US medal in the AM cup. And I assume that Neeb plays in the EU one mainly for the practice.
On April 20 2020 15:08 dbRic1203 wrote: Was this the first time Future got points this year? Edit: Yes it was, also the 1st Medal for USA in an EPT Open so far. Who would have thought, that it would be Future of all the players? Also Neeb should realy think about playing the NA Cup instead of the EU Cup... I know, he doesn t like playing on NA, as the hours to play on Eu are more like a normal Job for him, but the Eu Cup is just so much harder for him..
Neeb did win the EU Open Cup #5, and Astrea got a couple silvers in KR, so it's really just the first US medal in the AM cup. And I assume that Neeb plays in the EU one mainly for the practice.
Yeah, meant to say in NA Cup I m 90% sure I heared it somewhere, that he plays EU, because the hours fit him better. Also I gues practise is better there, as there isn t that much going on on the NA ladder... I still don t get it why he isn t playing the NA Open Cups, he would be the favorite there every single time, as the other NA heavy hitters in Scarlett and Special are both in Korea. So the best player he has to face without ping advantage would be IDK, TLO, Masa? And Neeb should absolutly be able to beat any EU pro with ping advantage and be at least even against the Koreans.. Looks like easy Money / Points for him in my eyes..
If any euro's wake up to this thread, please watch back TLO against Goblin game 2. One of the best games this year imo.
Also uThermal, beating showtime 3 times this week, not losing a single map in the eu cup until the final. And now tearing up the NA cup as well. Gonna be a good final v Gobbo whos on fire as well
What a tense series between uThermal and goblin. At the end of the day it feels like uThermal's experience as a player allowed him to edge out goblin and make slightly better calls under pressure.
This TvT between Clem and Special is really close and back and forth, but Clem is really winning in style points with maneuvers like the raven bait and the bait-and-switch to cut in between Special's forces.
On May 04 2020 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This TvT between Clem and Special is really close and back and forth, but Clem is really winning in style points with maneuvers like the raven bait and the bait-and-switch to cut in between Special's forces.
A lot of good that ended up doing him hehe.
I'll be the first say that Clem right now looks like the most gifted mechanical Terran outside of Korea right now but in that match up, Special just flexed all of his veteran muscles on the kid.
Clem plays on EU, Special plays on KR, it's obvious who gets more TvT practice.
It's pretty amazing that Bly still manages to hide the fact that he's proxy hatching from Protosses given how often he does that. Yesterday against Neeb he did it three games in a row.
On May 10 2020 13:50 dbRic1203 wrote: Stats has checked in for Kr Cup today. Is it his 1st time in an Open Cup?
I think so, yeah. Maybe losing in GSL made him realize a few additional points and some cash may not be the worst to have after all.
I don't have high hopes that the points will matter for Stats
I don’t think the points matter for Stats at all because it’s unlikely he’ll be able to travel for Katowice due to the military next year, right?
Yeah even if he somehow isn't drafted into the military by that time it's unlikely he'll get travel permission.
We'll have to wait and see, I guess. If I remember correctly, KeSPA helped Classic get permission for last BlizzCon and mentioned in their official statement that they'd be happy to help others with that as well, seeing this as some form of precedence for further cases.
On May 10 2020 13:50 dbRic1203 wrote: Stats has checked in for Kr Cup today. Is it his 1st time in an Open Cup?
I think so, yeah. Maybe losing in GSL made him realize a few additional points and some cash may not be the worst to have after all.
I don't have high hopes that the points will matter for Stats
I don’t think the points matter for Stats at all because it’s unlikely he’ll be able to travel for Katowice due to the military next year, right?
Yeah even if he somehow isn't drafted into the military by that time it's unlikely he'll get travel permission.
We'll have to wait and see, I guess. If I remember correctly, KeSPA helped Classic get permission for last BlizzCon and mentioned in their official statement that they'd be happy to help others with that as well, seeing this as some form of precedence for further cases.
Well yeah KeSPA could help with travel permission possibly. But primarily I just don't think guys like Stats and Zest will be able to postpone their service until after next year's Katowice very easily.
On May 10 2020 21:54 TheOneAboveU wrote: I don't even know the entire context to this, but Wardi just broke harder on stream than Kaelaris was broken by Has. :D
On May 10 2020 21:54 TheOneAboveU wrote: I don't even know the entire context to this, but Wardi just broke harder on stream than Kaelaris was broken by Has. :D
On May 10 2020 21:54 TheOneAboveU wrote: I don't even know the entire context to this, but Wardi just broke harder on stream than Kaelaris was broken by Has. :D
Oof, really sloppy play from Reynor during that first game of his BO3 vs Clem Some moves were really bad, especially the lack of overseers to deal with the mines and the poor micromanagement of the infestors
Looks like shifting the Cups Back 4 hours was the long awaited Nerf for EU Players, we all waited for Nice to see Neeb finally win something again E: didn t know the finals were THAT late, I almost feel bad about my joke now:
More than half of the Ro16 in KR Cup is actually Kr, it finally gets some love there as well E: also Astrea is on fire today, super impressive run: 2-1 Lambo (with Ping advantage though), then 2-1 Solar and 3-1 Armani
On May 26 2020 09:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Seeing Solar in the NA cup, I'm wondering if shifting the NA cup back (to ward off the Europeans) doesn't also invite more Korean participation.
I also wonder if it makes less NA players sign up. A lot of notable absentees this week, and still quite a number of EU players.
On May 26 2020 09:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Seeing Solar in the NA cup, I'm wondering if shifting the NA cup back (to ward off the Europeans) doesn't also invite more Korean participation.
I also wonder if it makes less NA players sign up. A lot of notable absentees this week, and still quite a number of EU players.
Are there really that many absentees? It seems similar to the previous weeks to me. Regardless I'd attribute that more to the day of the week changing than the hour though.
edit: Also idk what to make of Clem crushing Special after losing to Marinelord earlier.
On May 26 2020 09:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Seeing Solar in the NA cup, I'm wondering if shifting the NA cup back (to ward off the Europeans) doesn't also invite more Korean participation.
I also wonder if it makes less NA players sign up. A lot of notable absentees this week, and still quite a number of EU players.
Are there really that many absentees? It seems similar to the previous weeks to me. Regardless I'd attribute that more to the day of the week changing than the hour though.
edit: Also idk what to make of Clem crushing Special after losing to Marinelord earlier.
The most obvious NA absentees are Neeb, Future, Masa and Jonsnow. They were all playing in last week's EPT cup which was at the same timeslot, but now they've gone missing and I wonder if it has to do with their preferences. They used to play in NA challenger all the time so I consider them pretty important. It's probably a combination of the day and hour changes.
On May 26 2020 09:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Seeing Solar in the NA cup, I'm wondering if shifting the NA cup back (to ward off the Europeans) doesn't also invite more Korean participation.
I also wonder if it makes less NA players sign up. A lot of notable absentees this week, and still quite a number of EU players.
Are there really that many absentees? It seems similar to the previous weeks to me. Regardless I'd attribute that more to the day of the week changing than the hour though.
edit: Also idk what to make of Clem crushing Special after losing to Marinelord earlier.
The most obvious NA absentees are Neeb, Future, Masa and Jonsnow. They were all playing in last week's EPT cup which was at the same timeslot, but now they've gone missing and I wonder if it has to do with their preferences. They used to play in NA challenger all the time so I consider them pretty important. It's probably a combination of the day and hour changes.
I wouldn't consider any of them regular participants though, given that they haven't participated in these more often than not. In fact I hadn't realized that Masa had participated in any of these cups.
Is Clem even a human? How does he make it to the Finals at 6:30 am? Betting Special 3-0 while pratically asleep is quite impressive. Also wondering, why no one mentioned it yet. Whenever a Korean loses at TSL, everyone spams "it s 1am there allready" Quite worried about his sleep schedule at this point, pulling an all nighter every Monday doesn t sound too amazing Same goes for Namshar today, pretty impressive. At least he isn t an NA Cup regular...
On May 26 2020 13:31 dbRic1203 wrote: Is Clem even a human? How does he make it to the Finals at 6:30 am? Betting Special 3-0 while pratically asleep is quite impressive. Also wondering, why no one mentioned it yet. Whenever a Korean loses at TSL, everyone spams "it s 1am there allready" Quite worried about his sleep schedule at this point, pulling an all nighter every Monday doesn t sound too amazing Same goes for Namshar today, pretty impressive. At least he isn t an NA Cup regular...
Namshar's in Toronto so it's only midnight for him.
On May 26 2020 13:31 dbRic1203 wrote: Is Clem even a human? How does he make it to the Finals at 6:30 am? Betting Special 3-0 while pratically asleep is quite impressive. Also wondering, why no one mentioned it yet. Whenever a Korean loses at TSL, everyone spams "it s 1am there allready" Quite worried about his sleep schedule at this point, pulling an all nighter every Monday doesn t sound too amazing Same goes for Namshar today, pretty impressive. At least he isn t an NA Cup regular...
Namshar's in Toronto so it's only midnight for him.
And this is one hell of a game on Nightshade.
Didn t knew that. Is he there for longer allready? If I d be in Clems Position, I d Proxy rax every game now. No matter the outcome, tue games at least would be short than the last one And Proxy rax never loses in Tournaments anyways
On May 26 2020 13:31 dbRic1203 wrote: Is Clem even a human? How does he make it to the Finals at 6:30 am? Betting Special 3-0 while pratically asleep is quite impressive. Also wondering, why no one mentioned it yet. Whenever a Korean loses at TSL, everyone spams "it s 1am there allready" Quite worried about his sleep schedule at this point, pulling an all nighter every Monday doesn t sound too amazing Same goes for Namshar today, pretty impressive. At least he isn t an NA Cup regular...
Namshar's in Toronto so it's only midnight for him.
And this is one hell of a game on Nightshade.
Didn t knew that. Is he there for longer allready?
He's been living in Canada for the past 6 months. Possibly longer.
edit: Now this game feels like a micro minigame. We've been on this one screen pushing back and forth for the past two minutes.
On May 26 2020 18:03 sneakyfox wrote: Would it be an idea to say that a player can only participate in one Open Cup per week?
But why? Some players participating in two events isn't really a problem imo. For regional competition we have the revised ESL Pro Tour circuit already. So forcing some players to gamble between playing the EU event or the NA event (or the KR event or the NA event), just seems to create problems where there weren't any previously.
So for some reason the EU cup isn't properly seeded. Rail has been given the #1 seed, Milkicow the #2 seed. Clem is #43, Heromarine #70, Showtime #79 for some examples.
E: I don't think the Korean one was correctly seeded either.
On June 02 2020 01:33 Elentos wrote: So for some reason the EU cup isn't properly seeded. Rail has been given the #1 seed, Milkicow the #2 seed. Clem is #43, Heromarine #70, Showtime #79 for some examples.
E: I don't think the Korean one was correctly seeded either.
welp, time to void this week's results until real admins are back in place ?
I guess this is why terran just wants to end matches quickly against toss instead of going lategame. Insane disruptor count, 6+ expansions over the map. And ironically the phrase "never basetrade a terran" is completely false in TvP considering the toss just focusses down the orbitals and then blink dt's just win the game for you.
Clem realised and went back before leaving with a no gg which I havnt seen in a while from him. Rough
Armani is having a great run today. Didn't see his games vs TY but taking down the GSL champion + the rank 1 spot on the KR GM ladder would already be quite impressive, and he looks to be in a good position to do just that.
Armani 3-0 Trap. He played really well. Given what KR cups lineups usually look like, if you told me some weeks ago Armani was going to win a tournament after defeating TY, Solar and Trap and told me he won GSL or ESL KR cup I'd have said "oh my God Armani is a GSL champion" !
Anyway he seems to be on a good streak right now and with this form and a very doable GSL group, it'll be interesting to follow him.
On June 30 2020 06:19 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: Can’t believe uThermal just won the first map against Clem. What a move there at the end when all seemed lost.
Insane, those hellbat drops really did work. Watched it back and some casters were just asking why uthermal is still in the game. Cant blame em, sick comeback
Geralt leading 2-1, quite a surprise - at least to me. Clem has shown some very good play with his back against the wall lately though, let's see how it goes !
On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?)
On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?)
On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?)
On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?)
On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?)
As in every other situation in life, Liquipedia is the authority you need: Gerald
On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?)
On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?)
On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?)
On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?)
Hehe, Silky vs Silky ZvZ right now! ETA: OOOH Dark signed up for this one. Sad about GSL probably :'( ETA2: well I know nothing about ZvZ but cheese is always funny if you're on the outside.
On July 20 2020 21:02 Z3nith wrote: Skytoss won a game holy shit
0.o how?
sOs made the carrier transition while Dark was on hydra/lurker/viper/infestor. sOs feedbacked almost all the vipers and managed to kill off a lot of the army before Dark transitioned into corruptors. Then it was 3/2 Carriers vs 0/0 corruptors and sOs just shredded.
On July 20 2020 21:02 Z3nith wrote: Skytoss won a game holy shit
0.o how?
sOs made the carrier transition while Dark was on hydra/lurker/viper/infestor. sOs feedbacked almost all the vipers and managed to kill off a lot of the army before Dark transitioned into corruptors. Then it was 3/2 Carriers vs 0/0 corruptors and sOs just shredded.
Hm ok yeah that sounds like a position where skytoss is good enough to win :D
On July 20 2020 21:02 Z3nith wrote: Skytoss won a game holy shit
0.o how?
sOs made the carrier transition while Dark was on hydra/lurker/viper/infestor. sOs feedbacked almost all the vipers and managed to kill off a lot of the army before Dark transitioned into corruptors. Then it was 3/2 Carriers vs 0/0 corruptors and sOs just shredded.
Hm ok yeah that sounds like a position where skytoss is good enough to win :D
The entire sOs vs Dark series was nuts. I'd highly recommend.
On July 20 2020 21:02 Z3nith wrote: Skytoss won a game holy shit
0.o how?
sOs made the carrier transition while Dark was on hydra/lurker/viper/infestor. sOs feedbacked almost all the vipers and managed to kill off a lot of the army before Dark transitioned into corruptors. Then it was 3/2 Carriers vs 0/0 corruptors and sOs just shredded.
Hm ok yeah that sounds like a position where skytoss is good enough to win :D
The entire sOs vs Dark series was nuts. I'd highly recommend.
On July 20 2020 18:28 Gina wrote: Hehe, Silky vs Silky ZvZ right now! ETA: OOOH Dark signed up for this one. Sad about GSL probably :'( ETA2: well I know nothing about ZvZ but cheese is always funny if you're on the outside.
Anyone know which silky won? lp only showed 2-1, and I guess it's probably hard to tell by vods because both of them are cheesy zerg with exact same name
Too bad Showtime kinda crushed him (so far, but I think g3 is not looking good at all). But man these weekly cups are absolutely amazing when watching Rotti's stream.
On July 21 2020 06:11 HolydaKing wrote: Too bad Showtime kinda crushed him (so far, but I think g3 is not looking good at all). But man these weekly cups are absolutely amazing when watching Rotti's stream.
Well :D Showtime pretty much bopped him but nice run.
On July 20 2020 18:28 Gina wrote: Hehe, Silky vs Silky ZvZ right now! ETA: OOOH Dark signed up for this one. Sad about GSL probably :'( ETA2: well I know nothing about ZvZ but cheese is always funny if you're on the outside.
Anyone know which silky won? lp only showed 2-1, and I guess it's probably hard to tell by vods because both of them are cheesy zerg with exact same name
The Chinese Silky won. They considerately had US and CN in their clan tags =) Also, the desktop Liquipedia shows nationality flags, it's the mobile version that seems to cut them for smaller screen sizes.
It looks like Neeb is a couple of adjustments away from finding what is more or less the perfect playstyle for him in PvT, even though he has had some mixed results against the likes of Inno and Clem using this style. It's hardly a solved matchup but once he figures out how to adjust the 4th base, robo bay and fleet beacon timing then he should have his strongest pvt in a very long time
edit: also, proxy stargate proves once again to be absolute trash
Neeb played super well those last three games against clem, but his level of play fell off immensely against gabe. Well, good for the guy who loves winning online cups.
Why didn't Clem just attack from the other side of the gold mineral wall against Showtime? That would have taken all the zlots out of the equation and his tank would have out ranged every other unit.
On August 04 2020 04:42 Snijjer wrote: Why didn't Clem just attack from the other side of the gold mineral wall against Showtime? That would have taken all the zlots out of the equation and his tank would have out ranged every other unit.
Clem seemed pretty tilted with those ragequits, probably not playing his best game
On August 04 2020 04:42 Snijjer wrote: Why didn't Clem just attack from the other side of the gold mineral wall against Showtime? That would have taken all the zlots out of the equation and his tank would have out ranged every other unit.
Clem seemed pretty tilted with those ragequits, probably not playing his best game
Yeah when it's 2-2 you go "GG WP" lol... I somehow have even less respect for that than last week's ragequits
Nice game by Heromarine, he prior to the series said he's feeling good today and hopes he can finally beat Showtime again after getting beaten up by him recently.
On August 11 2020 06:24 tpf_x wrote: 10k+ combined viewers for EU today. Crazy how many people watch these weekly cups.
Well, it's the European elite minus Serral / Reynor (usually) playing in these. It's pretty exciting to see some top tier PvT and TvT. To be honest, the other Zerg players don't really stand a chance against Clem/Heromarine/Showtime/Mana from what it looks like in these weekly cups. But I guess the same would be true if the top 2 players of the other races were missing as well.
On August 11 2020 06:28 HolydaKing wrote: Nice game by Heromarine, he prior to the series said he's feeling good today and hopes he can finally beat Showtime again after getting beaten up by him recently.
On August 11 2020 06:24 tpf_x wrote: 10k+ combined viewers for EU today. Crazy how many people watch these weekly cups.
Well, it's the European elite minus Serral / Reynor (usually) playing in these. It's pretty exciting to see some top tier PvT and TvT. To be honest, the other Zerg players don't really stand a chance against Clem/Heromarine/Showtime/Mana from what it looks like in these weekly cups. But I guess the same would be true if the top 2 players of the other races were missing as well.
edit: GG wp HeroMarine!
It could be a bit better as Uthermal barely plays em, Drogo skips them most of the time and has Elazer even played a single one?! Those are guys that can beat a showtime/Clem/Heromarine who make it to the final most of the time which would be a nice changeup. But other than that its pretty stacked, hope reynor also plays a couple again here and there to spice things up.
On August 11 2020 06:28 HolydaKing wrote: Nice game by Heromarine, he prior to the series said he's feeling good today and hopes he can finally beat Showtime again after getting beaten up by him recently.
On August 11 2020 06:24 tpf_x wrote: 10k+ combined viewers for EU today. Crazy how many people watch these weekly cups.
Well, it's the European elite minus Serral / Reynor (usually) playing in these. It's pretty exciting to see some top tier PvT and TvT. To be honest, the other Zerg players don't really stand a chance against Clem/Heromarine/Showtime/Mana from what it looks like in these weekly cups. But I guess the same would be true if the top 2 players of the other races were missing as well.
edit: GG wp HeroMarine!
It could be a bit better as Uthermal barely plays em, Drogo skips them most of the time and has Elazer even played a single one?! Those are guys that can beat a showtime/Clem/Heromarine who make it to the final most of the time which would be a nice changeup. But other than that its pretty stacked, hope reynor also plays a couple again here and there to spice things up.
Elazer played the first few weeks with limited succes
On August 18 2020 03:49 Nebuchad wrote: Maxpax will be the best toss in a few years if the game is still around
Maxpax will be the #1 EU protoss by the end of 2021
His offbeat aggressive style still seems like it's not the most stable style in the long term, but he is improving fast. He's either going to be the next best toss or the next Lucifron.
On August 18 2020 03:49 Nebuchad wrote: Maxpax will be the best toss in a few years if the game is still around
Maxpax will be the #1 EU protoss by the end of 2021
His offbeat aggressive style still seems like it's not the most stable style in the long term, but he is improving fast. He's either going to be the next best toss or the next Lucifron.
Young Flash was a cheeser
In any case, protoss is by far the race where unconventional players have had the most success
Early Reynor was quite agressive as well. And sOs and parting are both examples of super strong agressive Protoss, so there is defnatly a lot of potential for him
With GTC going on right now and GSL starting this week the Koreans Open Cup looks pretty empty once again after quite a long streak of tough competitions lately
Bly 2-0'ing Elazer while Kas beats Neeb. Talk about a drought.. Good thing there is DH NA soon again for Neeb which he will probably win again, but his level of play hasnt been great at all for a while now
On August 25 2020 03:54 ilax30 wrote: Bly 2-0'ing Elazer while Kas beats Neeb. Talk about a drought.. Good thing there is DH NA soon again for Neeb which he will probably win again, but his level of play hasnt been great at all for a while now
Astrea looked way better than him during the War Chest Team League, so there's potential for the upset this DH NA.
On August 25 2020 04:34 Kuchikikun wrote: Iirc Neeb lost every game in the War Chest TL. Astrea played amazing beating great players (Astrea vs Cure was amazing).
Yeah, Neeb was wirst Player in the League (technically together with SouL, but Neeb had arguably easier opponents)
I hope ByuN gets to the final, just so he at least has some EPT points for the Kubo Qualifiers, as long as GSL isn t finished he still has 0 Points for Seeding purposes, wich just screws with the breakets. (example: this Cup today)
On September 22 2020 03:43 royalroadweed wrote: Feels like I've seen this same PvZ on this same map with some other protoss against serral as well. DNS maybe?
It's the same stage of the game but I don't think that one started with Dns completely destroying Serral in the early game and having 8 bases vs 5 for 15 minutes without having any chance of winning
Can't you bind feedback to your scroll wheel and rapid target clouds of units? Goblin was kicking ass in the abduct vs feedback war until the corruptor cloud. It seemed like he couldn;t target them down or even see them coming.
vipers are units that get instant value even if your army is crap, they should not be able to refuel energy from buildings that absurd. how is it even possible for a zerg to survive a games just by not attacking at all?
Wow Clem got recked by Serral today. The one game he won on golder wall was quite close, super sayan micro from him. But the others were ultra stomps. Serral looked pissed :D
On September 29 2020 04:15 AzAlexZ wrote: the chat log between Ptitdrogo and Neeb at the end of game 2 was freakin' hilarious
Damit, missed that one What happend?
spoilers for a game be warned, don't look at this if you don't want to find out what happened + Show Spoiler +
so Neeb won a game with mass chadrays vs drogo archon stalkers, and drogo lost because of the lack of storm, so they were talking about it and had a good laugh
On September 29 2020 18:50 JustPassingBy wrote: I still can't believe Bly beat Neeb (good for him though!). Anybody knows where to watch the games (I know Wardi didn't cast them)?
Well they are practise partners for ages now, so it s kind of expected, that they know each other pretty well. Their games are pretty much always insanely entertaining
On September 29 2020 18:50 JustPassingBy wrote: I still can't believe Bly beat Neeb (good for him though!). Anybody knows where to watch the games (I know Wardi didn't cast them)?
I am pretty sure he casted the last two games and they are fucking great.
On September 29 2020 18:50 JustPassingBy wrote: I still can't believe Bly beat Neeb (good for him though!). Anybody knows where to watch the games (I know Wardi didn't cast them)?
ESL Open Cup EU/38 at the bottom there's the streams list, try to see there (usually being a semifinal, many streamers cover it)
Pretty smart bait from Solar in that last game. He sends his overlord to the overlord pillar that isn't an overlord pillar on Jagannatha knowing that MaxPax would need to send the adept back into the main to gain vision (since you need a 9 sight range unit) and leave the stalker at the front to clear it . And that's when the lings show up.
Great showing by MaxPax last night. Going 3-3 vs Special and Clem combined and smashing everyone else in his path all the way to Solar. Let s hope he can keep that form up until DH Winter E.: Also 3/4 in NA Semis were from Team Exon
I like the way these cups provide temporary relief whenever some top player gets out early from another tournament. I seem to remember Rogue hasn't played in an ESL open cup before.
Am I the only one puzzled at why Neeb keeps losing to players underneath his level in the ESL Cups? No hate to MaxPax or goblin from last week, ggwp to them, but this is Neeb we're talking about
On October 20 2020 04:23 AzAlexZ wrote: Am I the only one puzzled at why Neeb keeps losing to players underneath his level in the ESL Cups? No hate to MaxPax or goblin from last week, ggwp to them, but this is Neeb we're talking about
Neeb has not been playing well this year (or at least not to his usual level). He's still the favourite against say goblin, but him losing isn't all that puzzling.
On October 20 2020 04:23 AzAlexZ wrote: Am I the only one puzzled at why Neeb keeps losing to players underneath his level in the ESL Cups? No hate to MaxPax or goblin from last week, ggwp to them, but this is Neeb we're talking about
With how Neeb has been playing this year, while still the favorite, the skill gap isn t as big, as you appearently think. Afaik Neebs MMR in EU is somewhere between Goblin (6.6) and MaxPax (6.8) so it s not suprising, that they can take matches from him. Also MaxPax hasn t lost a Open Cup match to others than Solar or Clem in the last 5 he played in, he s absolutly on fire right now Edit: spelling, was on phone
On October 20 2020 04:23 AzAlexZ wrote: Am I the only one puzzled at why Neeb keeps losing to players underneath his level in the ESL Cups? No hate to MaxPax or goblin from last week, ggwp to them, but this is Neeb we're talking about
What is also different is Neeb almost sure of qualifying for Katowice when the likes of Goblin and MaxPax are still hunting a spot on either direct qualification or offline last chances so they possibly play with a bigger sense of urgency. In that aspect every point is good to take.
On October 20 2020 04:23 AzAlexZ wrote: Am I the only one puzzled at why Neeb keeps losing to players underneath his level in the ESL Cups? No hate to MaxPax or goblin from last week, ggwp to them, but this is Neeb we're talking about
What is also different is Neeb almost sure of qualifying for Katowice when the likes of Goblin and MaxPax are still hunting a spot on either direct qualification or offline last chances so they possibly play with a bigger sense of urgency. In that aspect every point is good to take.
Ha, as optimistic as these youngsters are, dont think they are thinking about Kato atm.. Good thing for neeb he is “stuck” with playing the NA region though. As there is a good chance he wouldnt have qualified otherwise with this years level.
On October 20 2020 04:23 AzAlexZ wrote: Am I the only one puzzled at why Neeb keeps losing to players underneath his level in the ESL Cups? No hate to MaxPax or goblin from last week, ggwp to them, but this is Neeb we're talking about
What is also different is Neeb almost sure of qualifying for Katowice when the likes of Goblin and MaxPax are still hunting a spot on either direct qualification or offline last chances so they possibly play with a bigger sense of urgency. In that aspect every point is good to take.
Ha, as optimistic as these youngsters are, dont think they are thinking about Kato atm.. Good thing for neeb he is “stuck” with playing the NA region though. As there is a good chance he wouldnt have qualified otherwise with this years level.
I think for MaxPax to keep the qualify to Kato dream alive, he would have to get at least top 3 in EU. That means, he has to beat Serral, Reynor or Clem in a Bo5. I can see him taking a Bo5 on a good day from any other foreigner, but not those 3, so it s pretty much impossible..
Isn't MaxPax overrated? He has decent results in these low stakes ESL cups but he got beaten pretty badly in the meaningful EPT EU... Also HeroMarine is the god of Open Cups, having better results than Clem a lot of times, but Clem outshined him hard in DH Masters Fall both EU and international (HeroMarine didn't qualify). He even had a slightly worse result than MarineLord (granted this had to do with MarineLord being on fire and HeroMarine choking in TvP...). So yeah MaxPax is a promising player but I wouldn't be worried for Neeb judging on Open Cups only.
On October 20 2020 18:34 Poopi wrote: Isn't MaxPax overrated? He has decent results in these low stakes ESL cups but he got beaten pretty badly in the meaningful EPT EU... Also HeroMarine is the god of Open Cups, having better results than Clem a lot of times, but Clem outshined him hard in DH Masters Fall both EU and international (HeroMarine didn't qualify). He even had a slightly worse result than MarineLord (granted this had to do with MarineLord being on fire and HeroMarine choking in TvP...). So yeah MaxPax is a promising player but I wouldn't be worried for Neeb judging on Open Cups only.
Many give him a limitless ceiling but I don't think he overrates himself. And I don't think 3-4 is the definition of getting browbeaten to nonexistence. If anything he could have made top 12 at least if not for some critical errors. MarineLord also did nothing in the early part of the season. I have yet to see if he can maintain his form for a third season. Season Finals are a thing, but getting beaten 0-4 there puts a minus on it. Clem is the more reliable at the moment but he still misses the last bit to get over the Koreans.
As about Neeb if it wasn't for the better points at the Open Cups, Astrea would be in front of him. So even if his form isn't bad by any stretch, not the best either and it's the same thing several weeks at least.
On October 20 2020 17:26 ilax30 wrote:
Ha, as optimistic as these youngsters are, dont think they are thinking about Kato atm.. Good thing for neeb he is “stuck” with playing the NA region though. As there is a good chance he wouldnt have qualified otherwise with this years level.
Even if the qualification rankings were worldwide and not gated region bhy region, Neeb would likely still secure a direct qualification given his current tally but his worries would have probably been more uncomfortable. As for all the EU players outside of the top 8, given the number of points at the stake they have nothing to lose. At worse if they fizzle they can still scrape money in the smaller events.
There is no shame or reasons for alarm when losing a bo3 PvP vs someone not as good as you.
On October 20 2020 18:34 Poopi wrote: Isn't MaxPax overrated? He has decent results in these low stakes ESL cups but he got beaten pretty badly in the meaningful EPT EU... .
In PvP and maybe PvZ, no.
His PvT isn't up to the level of the other match ups.
Edit: he just turned 16 i think too so nobody is overrated at that age because they are still improving.
On October 20 2020 18:34 Poopi wrote: Isn't MaxPax overrated? He has decent results in these low stakes ESL cups but he got beaten pretty badly in the meaningful EPT EU... .
In PvP and maybe PvZ, no.
His PvT isn't up to the level of the other match ups.
Edit: he just turned 16 i think too so nobody is overrated at that age because they are still improving.
A lot of the HYPE around him is because of the potential people see in him. He s 16 and allready 6.8k on ladder and top 10 foreigners in Alligulac. Yes it s mostly low stackes tournament, but that still as good as Clem was when he turnen 16. After all Clem needed 2 more years to explode. Also MaxPax has his own style and is crafting a lot of builds, je s by no means a one Trick pony, Who has 1 or 2 builds per matchup. He still makes pretty bad errors from time to time, but he s improving more than any other pro atm.
On October 20 2020 18:34 Poopi wrote: Isn't MaxPax overrated? He has decent results in these low stakes ESL cups but he got beaten pretty badly in the meaningful EPT EU... Also HeroMarine is the god of Open Cups, having better results than Clem a lot of times, but Clem outshined him hard in DH Masters Fall both EU and international (HeroMarine didn't qualify). He even had a slightly worse result than MarineLord (granted this had to do with MarineLord being on fire and HeroMarine choking in TvP...). So yeah MaxPax is a promising player but I wouldn't be worried for Neeb judging on Open Cups only.
I mean the real reason Marinelord did better than Heromarine was simply because of the bracket. Gabe had to face Serral in the lower bracket just to qualify for the season finals while Marinelord faced off against the likes of Skillous and Gerald instead for a top 4 spot.
I didn’t know he was quite that young, I, like many others like the unorthodox but logical and strategically sound Max Pax build. Shows a shrewd Starcraft brain.
He’s trending up quicker than I expected perhaps sooner rather than later he’ll take that first big win and ascend to the title of Maximus Paximus
Too bad Reynor thwarted Solar's attempt for an ESL Open Cup triple crown--EU was always going to be a stretch what with the ping. Has any other player attempted all three cups consecutively? The timezones are awful (and while Solar registered for NA he of course might not play in it).
I would highly recommend people to watch the Dolan - DRG series from todays ESL cup whicch basetrade tv casted. On paper it looks like a total mismatch, but it didnt turn out to be that way. And oh boy some of the builds Dolan did.. Even though I watched tons of dreamhack, this was prob the most entertaining series I watched this month.
On October 27 2020 10:32 ilax30 wrote: I would highly recommend people to watch the Dolan - DRG series from todays ESL cup whicch basetrade tv casted. On paper it looks like a total mismatch, but it didnt turn out to be that way. And oh boy some of the builds Dolan did.. Even though I watched tons of dreamhack, this was prob the most entertaining series I watched this month.
Ah man, how long does basetrade take to get to the vod stage? EDIT: Gerald vs DRG g3 might be the biggest mid game comeback ive ever seen in LotV EDIT2!!
On October 27 2020 10:32 ilax30 wrote: I would highly recommend people to watch the Dolan - DRG series from todays ESL cup whicch basetrade tv casted. On paper it looks like a total mismatch, but it didnt turn out to be that way. And oh boy some of the builds Dolan did.. Even though I watched tons of dreamhack, this was prob the most entertaining series I watched this month.
Ah man, how long does basetrade take to get to the vod stage? EDIT: Gerald vs DRG g3 might be the biggest mid game comeback ive ever seen in LotV EDIT2!!
It starts at 2:10:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/782879977 And yeah that g3 just now between Gerald and DRG was insane as well. I wouldnt call it the best comeback ever though, even though Gerald was in a bad spot multiple time he kept DRG at bay just because his army was better and I didnt feel Gerald was out of it after recovering from losing his 3rd base early on. But how he played that out from behind, his army control etc.. Wow
On October 27 2020 10:32 ilax30 wrote: I would highly recommend people to watch the Dolan - DRG series from todays ESL cup whicch basetrade tv casted. On paper it looks like a total mismatch, but it didnt turn out to be that way. And oh boy some of the builds Dolan did.. Even though I watched tons of dreamhack, this was prob the most entertaining series I watched this month.
Ah man, how long does basetrade take to get to the vod stage? EDIT: Gerald vs DRG g3 might be the biggest mid game comeback ive ever seen in LotV EDIT2!!
It starts at 2:10:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/782879977 And yeah that g3 just now between Gerald and DRG was insane as well. I wouldnt call it the best comeback ever though, even though Gerald was in a bad spot multiple time he kept DRG at bay just because his army was better and I didnt feel Gerald was out of it after recovering from losing his 3rd base early on. But how he played that out from behind, his army control etc.. Wow
On October 21 2020 05:39 WombaT wrote: I didn’t know he was quite that young, I, like many others like the unorthodox but logical and strategically sound Max Pax build. Shows a shrewd Starcraft brain.
He’s trending up quicker than I expected perhaps sooner rather than later he’ll take that first big win and ascend to the title of Maximus Paximus
A creative prodegy foreign Protoss would certainly be more than welcome!
Important 5 points there for uthermal, with lambo and elazer on his doorstep and another 2 tournaments with EPT points to come before Kato these 2 spots behind Showtime are going to get interesting.
On November 10 2020 07:32 ilax30 wrote: Important 5 points there for uthermal, with lambo and elazer on his doorstep and another 2 tournaments with EPT points to come before Kato these 2 spots behind Showtime are going to get interesting.
Yeah, while the Top 5 is pretty much seit in stone allready there could still happen a lot behind them. Also keep in mind, that the last ESL Global Event will give a direkt seed to Kato. That means, if Clem, Reynor or Serral win it, uThermal could still get a direkt invitation and Lambo could get to the Open stage
On November 10 2020 07:32 ilax30 wrote: Important 5 points there for uthermal, with lambo and elazer on his doorstep and another 2 tournaments with EPT points to come before Kato these 2 spots behind Showtime are going to get interesting.
Yeah, while the Top 5 is pretty much seit in stone allready there could still happen a lot behind them. Also keep in mind, that the last ESL Global Event will give a direkt seed to Kato. That means, if Clem, Reynor or Serral win it, uThermal could still get a direkt invitation and Lambo could get to the Open stage
Ah yes, knew about the lambo situation but forgot it could also impact the 6th seeded player. With TSL announced now though so much still can happen. Gonna be good
Skillous giving a go in KR, uThermal, Hellraiser and SortOf doing the NA one, outside of those who routinely go outside their regional cup, makes me thing that for those who have a realistic stance to snatch the last spots/want to keep/possibly lose them, hoping to see more and more of them
Korea started out weirdly enough with Has getting 2nd place to Ragnarok. Then in Europe Gungfu made the finals (and Kas and Krystianer beat MaNa and Heromarine respectively). But NA has to be the strangest with Spatz beating Zest, before losing to Trigger who lost to Erik (who beat Ragnarok to get there)???
On March 30 2021 13:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Strange week.
Korea started out weirdly enough with Has getting 2nd place to Ragnarok. Then in Europe Gungfu made the finals (and Kas and Krystianer beat MaNa and Heromarine respectively). But NA has to be the strangest with Spatz beating Zest, before losing to Trigger who lost to Erik (who beat Ragnarok to get there)???
Yeah, both finalists of the KR Cup playing in NA and not getting Past the Ro8 is truely weired
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