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SetGuitarsToKill
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![[image loading]](https://cdn.eslgaming.com/misc/gfx/media/play/region/global/sc2/header_new2.png)  ESL Open CupsThe ESL Open Cups allow all aspiring professionals and talented players, based in Europe, South Korea and Americas, to participate in weekly tournaments. These contribute 15 points towards the ESL Pro Tour ranking and $100 USD in prize money, each tournament, each region, each week. These tournaments are open for all players, there are no regional restrictions. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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Topin
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TelecoM
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
I don't know how I feel with True winning a Korean cup without playing a single other Korean player. Oh well, it still give some great games! | ||
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Elentos
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On January 26 2020 23:50 Nakajin wrote: So is there a reason why most Koreans are skiping those cups? To early in the day maybe? I don't know how I feel with True winning a Korean cup without playing a single other Korean player. Oh well, it still give some great games! Last two weeks there was overlap with the BJ Destruction Match. This week everyone probably got wasted for Lunar New Year. We'll see how the bracket looks next week when there should be no significant overlap with anything. At least the online hero regulars should get involved then. | ||
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Elentos
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On January 27 2020 02:11 aringadingding wrote: 8 cups so far and 0 toss wins... KR would have been won by a Protoss today but Trap just had to go and lose the PvP to Astrea in the semis. Cursed. | ||
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Soke
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ZigguratOfUr
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On January 27 2020 10:39 LaughNgamezAfreeca wrote: Do replays get released for these? I didn't think so, but there have been a few casts from replays. Maybe try asking the admins on Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/eslsc2. | ||
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Sinistro
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Elentos
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Nakajin
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On February 02 2020 18:09 Elentos wrote: Solar is just gonna win every KR cup he participates in and have the easiest time ever getting to the Global Finals. You need to win 50 cups to make up for a 17th-24th/9th-12th differential in GSL  | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On February 03 2020 11:42 Nakajin wrote: You need to win 50 cups to make up for a 17th-24th/9th-12th differential in GSL The point distribution is different than for WCS last year (though we don't know all of its details yet including GSL). It's been changed to be less top heavy and also to have fewer points overall, so 50 cups will almost certainly be worth more than that. My guess is that 50 cups should be around the same value as a GSL top 4, but it really depends on how they want to weigh GSL against global events. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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Heromarine on 3/5 in EU finals now, what a scrub. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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Also HerMarine in 100% of the EU Cup finals that's not bad at all | ||
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Nakajin
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FrkFrJss
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On February 16 2020 14:13 Nakajin wrote: The year is 2020 and both Astrea and Mcanning have a better seed than every single Koreans in a Korean cup bracket. Trump really did it Better than the renowned names of Zoun, Chance, control, and gyulzzing? :D In all fairness, though, I suppose Zoun should have had a better seed. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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xelnaga_empire
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On February 16 2020 14:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's honestly surprising how lackluster the Korean roster to the KR cup is. It feels like most every comparable online event has a better Korean lineup. They can double the amount of points given to all these ESL online cups. That may give Koreans a higher incentive to play, as well as top players from other regions to play (in EU, Reynor and Serral don't play these ESL Online cups either). | ||
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sudete
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dbRic1203
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On February 16 2020 16:25 sudete wrote: EU and NA cups more exciting than KR cup, kinda sad Zombiegrub expects more Koreans to Comepete there after Katowice. She said that the Koreans are even more about hiding strats than other Pros due to their Kespa background. Also for some unknown reason to her they also seem to dislike online cups in general. Anyways GGs to Zoun, very impressive how fast he is improving in just a couple of month after coming back to SC2!! | ||
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Elentos
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On February 16 2020 14:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's honestly surprising how lackluster the Korean roster to the KR cup is. It feels like most every comparable online event has a better Korean lineup. Beyond hiding strats for upcoming tournaments probably being a concern for the Koreans (upcoming big events have always coincided with lower participation in online events), people play online cups mostly for money. And Kung Fu Cup and Olimoleague are better deals on that end. We're a long way away before people seriously start playing for the points in KR I believe. | ||
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Wardi
England896 Posts
On February 16 2020 18:10 Elentos wrote: Beyond hiding strats for upcoming tournaments probably being a concern for the Koreans (upcoming big events have always coincided with lower participation in online events), people play online cups mostly for money. And Kung Fu Cup and Olimoleague are better deals on that end. We're a long way away before people seriously start playing for the points in KR I believe. I feel like the points are too low to be exciting. In EU and NA people love them because so much seeding is done based on these points, to the stage where a good run at IEM early in the year has even qualified people before because they get better groups for every challenger, then circuit event. Every group stage then bracket is decided by points. For Koreans this doesn’t exist because GSL uses their own form of seeding, so ten points doesnt seem game changing. We very rarely see Koreans missing out on word champs by a few points and you’re talking about winning so many cups for that to work out. Yes, some will probably start trying to grind more, but not everyone like in EU. Also I’ve always felt Korean stuff starting at midday korean time, especially on a Sunday, isnt a timezone a lot of these guys play in. The Korean ladder is usually very quiet at those hours so players aren’t often around at that time. Id be surprised if the lineup changes much after Katowice outside of the usual onliners popping in each week. | ||
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Elentos
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ZombieGrub
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On February 16 2020 20:09 Wardi wrote: I feel like the points are too low to be exciting. In EU and NA people love them because so much seeding is done based on these points, to the stage where a good run at IEM early in the year has even qualified people before because they get better groups for every challenger, then circuit event. Every group stage then bracket is decided by points. For Koreans this doesn’t exist because GSL uses their own form of seeding, so ten points doesnt seem game changing. We very rarely see Koreans missing out on word champs by a few points and you’re talking about winning so many cups for that to work out. Yes, some will probably start trying to grind more, but not everyone like in EU. Also I’ve always felt Korean stuff starting at midday korean time, especially on a Sunday, isnt a timezone a lot of these guys play in. The Korean ladder is usually very quiet at those hours so players aren’t often around at that time. Id be surprised if the lineup changes much after Katowice outside of the usual onliners popping in each week. I'm not sure increasing the points would do anything until you increase them to a (comparatively) crazy amount. I agree that most online cups are tempting due to prize pool for KR so we see better participation in other online tournaments, but I've also touched on the 'weirdness' of the EPL times before. It seems like a great time for Koreans but yeah, KR-timed tournaments have basically never started 1-2pm KST. It's a good point about the GSL seeding, but do we know that's going to continue since GSL hasn't officially been announced/explained? Honest Q. Solar's recent interview gave some perspective on participation which I was glad to see, since I also talked about how I don't want to speak for Korean players when I go over a list of potential 'whys' they don't show up. "Because it's just 10 points per win, I don't think the players really understand the importance of it. The top players, in particular, think they will [qualify] anyway...So I think the players are a little overconfident...Also, as far as I know, there are a lot of players who won't be able to travel overseas next year. Probably more than fans expect, the top tier players will be barred from travelling. So I don't think they're worried that much about earning points this year." https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/556114-interview-solar-talks-gsl-region-lock-and-chinas-proleague-ambitions In general I think participation/importance of these cups for all regions will fluctuate. People thinking they do add up, people thinking they aren't worth the 5 hours, it just losing its novelty, new tournaments being announced, people thinking they've 'secured their spot via main tournament winnings', etc etc. | ||
hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On February 17 2020 00:40 Elentos wrote: Heromarine out before the finals I think we have to restart the cup. well gabe was at the taketv party in krefeld until early this morning, it was more like sleepymarine playing and not heromarine^^ | ||
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dbRic1203
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On February 17 2020 12:42 geokilla wrote: With no KR league announced still, why would Koreans bother playing in it? Solar just sayed in his interview, that there are going to be 3 GSLs and that the Pros all know that. He just didn t go any further, because its not offically announced yet. | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
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sneakyfox
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dbRic1203
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Next weekend or do we have to wait until 1st GSL and EPT Major are done? | ||
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hjpalpha
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![[image loading]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501134361693782046/683969190595788812/Screenshot_2020-03-02_10.10.37.png) that's called consistency XD | ||
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dbRic1203
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On March 02 2020 18:29 hjpalpha wrote: that's called consistency XD And the other Germans are doing mighty fine as well. Germany is almost as dominat in Open Cups Eu as Korea is in Open Cups Kr And Big Gabe allready overtook Has in the standings despite Has deeper run at IEM. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 02 2020 18:29 hjpalpha wrote: that's called consistency XD lol the biggest of gabes | ||
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dbRic1203
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 I m not realy expecting more until way later in the year tbh. | ||
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Nakajin
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 HerO, 2-1  SortOf, 2-0 Trap, 2-0 Zest, 3-0 CreatorThat's a pretty crazy zvp run | ||
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Elentos
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On March 09 2020 00:21 Nakajin wrote: Armani went 2-0 HerO, 2-1 SortOf, 2-0 Trap, 2-0 Zest, 3-0 CreatorThat's a pretty crazy zvp run IEM is over and Zest is back to being not best in PvZ | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On March 09 2020 03:06 Musicus wrote: HeroMarine is a beast in EPT Open Cups! Petition to rename EPT Open Cups into ESL Meisterschaft. | ||
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Nakajin
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On March 09 2020 03:07 TheOneAboveU wrote: Petition to rename EPT Open Cups into ESL Meisterschaft. Hasuobs will be over those in a second. Also Bly just broke the 13 000 professional game played with this cup, if he sign up for tonight NA cup the mad lad should also broke the 8000 win mark. (he's currently sitting at 7997 map wins) | ||
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virpi
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On March 09 2020 03:10 Nakajin wrote: Hasuobs will be over those in a second. Also Bly just broke the 13 000 professional game played with this cup, if he sign up for tonight NA cup the mad lad should also broke the 8000 win mark. (he's currently sitting at 7997 map wins) Socke and Goody are also getting ready to rejoin. Goody might even break 100 APM this time.  | ||
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dbRic1203
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 If it says like that NA is rewarding those players, that can stand the Paint to stay up late from EU or get up Early from Kr.. As long as Neeb isn t participating, it s almost only the other two regions.. On another Note, why hasPolt a lower seed than PIG? I mean he shouldn t be in top 10, but that is quite rough | ||
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Nakajin
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Next stop is to have more win than the second most active player, Nerchio, has overall map played, a bit shy of 9000. This year, he should also pass Nerchio for the highest number of tournament where he made it into the money in all of Starcraft, as such he would also become the no2 in this category throughout all of Esport history. (First one with a comfortable lead is M2K, and the 4th is actually none other than Solar) Crazy how far ling all-ins and proxy hatch can get you. | ||
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royalroadweed
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hjpalpha
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On March 09 2020 03:07 TheOneAboveU wrote: Petition to rename EPT Open Cups into ESL Meisterschaft. well Gabe has a (not really serious) counter proposal: https://twitter.com/mouzheromarine/status/1236728984408293376 XD | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On March 15 2020 23:18 patermatrix wrote: Reynor vs. Heromarine final incoming? Maybe, but Clem is in the lower half of the bracket too. | ||
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CynicalDeath
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On March 15 2020 23:26 dbRic1203 wrote: What happend to Special and PartinG?? both forfeited | ||
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Edit: Big Gabe Weekly confirmed! | ||
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hjpalpha
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On March 16 2020 03:13 TheOneAboveU wrote: That was a sick game 3 between Heromarine and souL. Big Gabe makes another finals! Edit: Big Gabe Weekly confirmed! did you see gabes stream title? | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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Sure did, I was watching it. | ||
fronkschnonk
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Also interesting: TLO got taken out by uthermal again in the EU-Cup. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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I still can't process that result | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 16 2020 08:08 [PkF] Wire wrote: Moman 2-0 Armani I still can't process that result ZvZ is crazy. I don't think it was streamed either unfortunately. | ||
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Nakajin
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Because he then went on to lose vs a protoss who has neither a liquipedia page nor an aligulac page... | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On March 16 2020 08:19 Nakajin wrote: Are we sure it wasn't just a no show from Armani? Because he then went on to lose vs a protoss who has neither a liquipedia page nor an aligulac page... well I considered it but usually no shows are W, not 2 0, so I guess it did happen | ||
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Nakajin
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On March 16 2020 08:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: well I considered it but usually no shows are W, not 2 0, so I guess it did happen Lol that's a Meomaika-Maru level of upset | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 16 2020 08:19 Nakajin wrote: Are we sure it wasn't just a no show from Armani? Because he then went on to lose vs a protoss who has neither a liquipedia page nor an aligulac page... MoMaN tweeted it as a 2-0: | ||
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dbRic1203
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 I Don t get how they Deserve 3 Spots more than China | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 16 2020 14:49 dbRic1203 wrote: 2 NA Players in Top 8 NA Cup I Don t get how they Deserve 3 Spots more than China I mean they might not, but it's not like China's been doing better than NA in these. | ||
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sudete
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On March 16 2020 14:49 dbRic1203 wrote: 2 NA Players in Top 8 NA Cup I Don t get how they Deserve 3 Spots more than China It's almost as though Neeb and Scarlett didn't take part | ||
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On March 16 2020 18:00 sudete wrote: It's almost as though Neeb and Scarlett didn't take part Just like Reynor, Serral, Showtime, Elazer  With Special, Clem and Heromarine there was a kind of even representation of top EU and NA pros And Scarlett taking part anywhere in the last 1.5 years didn t realy guarantee any good results anyways... So its kind of unfair for Neeb to put him in one basket with here, he s way better and way more consistent. | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
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ZigguratOfUr
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On March 23 2020 05:19 VengefulTree wrote: Anyone saw the games by Scarlett? Could I catch the VODs anywhere? Thanks Cranky Ducklings covered most of her games: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/572905876 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/572905878 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/572905875 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/572905880 | ||
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dbRic1203
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On March 16 2020 18:00 sudete wrote: It's almost as though Neeb and Scarlett didn't take part Well Neeb participating this week realy changed the whole picture | ||
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Elentos
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On March 29 2020 23:54 ssg wrote: NA continues to do better in Korea than their own tournament. They made up half the round of 8. Well 3 of the best NA players live in Korea and not NA. | ||
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sudete
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On March 23 2020 14:28 dbRic1203 wrote: Well Neeb participating this week realy changed the whole picture Yep, didn't make a difference this week either. On that note, it'll go under the radar due to the 0-3 against reynor in THAT particular matchup but neeb posted some decent results for the first time this year beating lambo, elazer and showtime. He did win that other EU cup but the lineup was considerably weaker | ||
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dbRic1203
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On March 30 2020 02:13 sudete wrote: Yep, didn't make a difference this week either. On that note, it'll go under the radar due to the 0-3 against reynor in THAT particular matchup but neeb posted some decent results for the first time this year beating lambo, elazer and showtime. He did win that other EU cup but the lineup was considerably weaker Yeah, finaly the first good Impression from Neeb Let s hope he getting that more consistently from now on.. | ||
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royalroadweed
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dbRic1203
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Could have been epic Special Clem semis, if he made it there :/ | ||
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dbRic1203
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Party due to no Show by some Open Cup regulars like Astrea, Special, Scarlett but also realy strong (online-) Koreans participating with Cure, Solar, Parting and Trap | ||
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dbRic1203
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Edit: Yes it was, also the 1st Medal for USA in an EPT Open so far. Who would have thought, that it would be Future of all the players? Also Neeb should realy think about playing the NA Cup instead of the EU Cup... I know, he doesn t like playing on NA, as the hours to play on Eu are more like a normal Job for him, but the Eu Cup is just so much harder for him.. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 20 2020 15:08 dbRic1203 wrote: Was this the first time Future got points this year? Edit: Yes it was, also the 1st Medal for USA in an EPT Open so far. Who would have thought, that it would be Future of all the players? Also Neeb should realy think about playing the NA Cup instead of the EU Cup... I know, he doesn t like playing on NA, as the hours to play on Eu are more like a normal Job for him, but the Eu Cup is just so much harder for him.. Neeb did win the EU Open Cup #5, and Astrea got a couple silvers in KR, so it's really just the first US medal in the AM cup. And I assume that Neeb plays in the EU one mainly for the practice. | ||
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dbRic1203
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On April 20 2020 16:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Neeb did win the EU Open Cup #5, and Astrea got a couple silvers in KR, so it's really just the first US medal in the AM cup. And I assume that Neeb plays in the EU one mainly for the practice. Yeah, meant to say in NA Cup I m 90% sure I heared it somewhere, that he plays EU, because the hours fit him better. Also I gues practise is better there, as there isn t that much going on on the NA ladder... I still don t get it why he isn t playing the NA Open Cups, he would be the favorite there every single time, as the other NA heavy hitters in Scarlett and Special are both in Korea. So the best player he has to face without ping advantage would be IDK, TLO, Masa? And Neeb should absolutly be able to beat any EU pro with ping advantage and be at least even against the Koreans.. Looks like easy Money / Points for him in my eyes.. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On April 27 2020 00:21 Elentos wrote: So Goblin eliminated Reynor and then lost to Bly. #BlyOnFire I guess. Had to look at that a second time when I checked the bracket before. Anyone know what happened there? Also Clem vs. HeroMarine AGAIN. :D | ||
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ilax30
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On April 27 2020 00:30 TheOneAboveU wrote: Had to look at that a second time when I checked the bracket before. Anyone know what happened there? Also Clem vs. HeroMarine AGAIN. :D Cannon rush into mass phoenix and a couple of voidrays, what else did you expect? | ||
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Nakajin
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On April 27 2020 03:21 Bagration wrote: Idra is back! What? For real? | ||
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Also uThermal, beating showtime 3 times this week, not losing a single map in the eu cup until the final. And now tearing up the NA cup as well. Gonna be a good final v Gobbo whos on fire as well | ||
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On May 04 2020 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: This TvT between Clem and Special is really close and back and forth, but Clem is really winning in style points with maneuvers like the raven bait and the bait-and-switch to cut in between Special's forces. A lot of good that ended up doing him hehe. I'll be the first say that Clem right now looks like the most gifted mechanical Terran outside of Korea right now but in that match up, Special just flexed all of his veteran muscles on the kid. Clem plays on EU, Special plays on KR, it's obvious who gets more TvT practice. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On May 10 2020 13:50 dbRic1203 wrote: Stats has checked in for Kr Cup today. Is it his 1st time in an Open Cup? I think so, yeah. Maybe losing in GSL made him realize a few additional points and some cash may not be the worst to have after all. | ||
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Elentos
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On May 10 2020 16:00 TheOneAboveU wrote: I think so, yeah. Maybe losing in GSL made him realize a few additional points and some cash may not be the worst to have after all. I don't have high hopes that the points will matter for Stats | ||
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On May 10 2020 16:45 Elentos wrote: I don't have high hopes that the points will matter for Stats Yeah, not if things go on like this. Scarlett dismantling Zest pretty hard again, and not just through cheese this time. | ||
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Wardi
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On May 10 2020 16:45 Elentos wrote: I don't have high hopes that the points will matter for Stats I don’t think the points matter for Stats at all because it’s unlikely he’ll be able to travel for Katowice due to the military next year, right? | ||
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On May 10 2020 19:10 Wardi wrote: I don’t think the points matter for Stats at all because it’s unlikely he’ll be able to travel for Katowice due to the military next year, right? Yeah even if he somehow isn't drafted into the military by that time it's unlikely he'll get travel permission. | ||
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BerserkSword
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does that mean zest is a no-go too (born 2 months after stats) | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On May 10 2020 20:11 Elentos wrote: Yeah even if he somehow isn't drafted into the military by that time it's unlikely he'll get travel permission. We'll have to wait and see, I guess. If I remember correctly, KeSPA helped Classic get permission for last BlizzCon and mentioned in their official statement that they'd be happy to help others with that as well, seeing this as some form of precedence for further cases. | ||
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Elentos
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On May 10 2020 21:21 TheOneAboveU wrote: We'll have to wait and see, I guess. If I remember correctly, KeSPA helped Classic get permission for last BlizzCon and mentioned in their official statement that they'd be happy to help others with that as well, seeing this as some form of precedence for further cases. Well yeah KeSPA could help with travel permission possibly. But primarily I just don't think guys like Stats and Zest will be able to postpone their service until after next year's Katowice very easily. | ||
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Clip. We just also witnessed the historical first serious attempt to use Microbial Shroud by Denver vs. MCanning. | ||
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On May 10 2020 21:54 TheOneAboveU wrote: I don't even know the entire context to this, but Wardi just broke harder on stream than Kaelaris was broken by Has. :D Clip. We just also witnessed the historical first serious attempt to use Microbial Shroud by Denver vs. MCanning. Ragnarok's used it seriously at least twice. I hadn't seen it in months though. | ||
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On May 11 2020 02:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Ragnarok's used it seriously at least twice. I hadn't seen it in months though. Haha, okay, I didn't see those matches, I guess. Clem vs. ShoWTimE is pretty sick btw. | ||
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On May 11 2020 02:13 TheOneAboveU wrote: Haha, okay, I didn't see those matches, I guess. Clem vs. ShoWTimE is pretty sick btw. iirc it was in the BJ Destruction Match and also in the Gemini invitational. edit: Man, protosses just look helpless against these drilling claw widow mine openings. | ||
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Some moves were really bad, especially the lack of overseers to deal with the mines and the poor micromanagement of the infestors | ||
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Nice to see Neeb finally win something again E: didn t know the finals were THAT late, I almost feel bad about my joke now: | ||
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E: also Astrea is on fire today, super impressive run: 2-1 Lambo (with Ping advantage though), then 2-1 Solar and 3-1 Armani  | ||
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On May 26 2020 09:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Seeing Solar in the NA cup, I'm wondering if shifting the NA cup back (to ward off the Europeans) doesn't also invite more Korean participation. I also wonder if it makes less NA players sign up. A lot of notable absentees this week, and still quite a number of EU players. | ||
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On May 26 2020 12:07 sudete wrote: I also wonder if it makes less NA players sign up. A lot of notable absentees this week, and still quite a number of EU players. Are there really that many absentees? It seems similar to the previous weeks to me. Regardless I'd attribute that more to the day of the week changing than the hour though. edit: Also idk what to make of Clem crushing Special after losing to Marinelord earlier. | ||
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On May 26 2020 12:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are there really that many absentees? It seems similar to the previous weeks to me. Regardless I'd attribute that more to the day of the week changing than the hour though. edit: Also idk what to make of Clem crushing Special after losing to Marinelord earlier. The most obvious NA absentees are Neeb, Future, Masa and Jonsnow. They were all playing in last week's EPT cup which was at the same timeslot, but now they've gone missing and I wonder if it has to do with their preferences. They used to play in NA challenger all the time so I consider them pretty important. It's probably a combination of the day and hour changes. | ||
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On May 26 2020 12:43 sudete wrote: The most obvious NA absentees are Neeb, Future, Masa and Jonsnow. They were all playing in last week's EPT cup which was at the same timeslot, but now they've gone missing and I wonder if it has to do with their preferences. They used to play in NA challenger all the time so I consider them pretty important. It's probably a combination of the day and hour changes. I wouldn't consider any of them regular participants though, given that they haven't participated in these more often than not. In fact I hadn't realized that Masa had participated in any of these cups. | ||
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How does he make it to the Finals at 6:30 am? Betting Special 3-0 while pratically asleep is quite impressive. Also wondering, why no one mentioned it yet. Whenever a Korean loses at TSL, everyone spams "it s 1am there allready" Quite worried about his sleep schedule at this point, pulling an all nighter every Monday doesn t sound too amazing Same goes for Namshar today, pretty impressive. At least he isn t an NA Cup regular... | ||
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On May 26 2020 13:31 dbRic1203 wrote: Is Clem even a human? How does he make it to the Finals at 6:30 am? Betting Special 3-0 while pratically asleep is quite impressive. Also wondering, why no one mentioned it yet. Whenever a Korean loses at TSL, everyone spams "it s 1am there allready" Quite worried about his sleep schedule at this point, pulling an all nighter every Monday doesn t sound too amazing Same goes for Namshar today, pretty impressive. At least he isn t an NA Cup regular... Namshar's in Toronto so it's only midnight for him. And this is one hell of a game on Nightshade. | ||
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On May 26 2020 13:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Namshar's in Toronto so it's only midnight for him. And this is one hell of a game on Nightshade. Didn t knew that. Is he there for longer allready? If I d be in Clems Position, I d Proxy rax every game now. No matter the outcome, tue games at least would be short than the last one And Proxy rax never loses in Tournaments anyways | ||
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On May 26 2020 13:45 dbRic1203 wrote: Didn t knew that. Is he there for longer allready? He's been living in Canada for the past 6 months. Possibly longer. edit: Now this game feels like a micro minigame. We've been on this one screen pushing back and forth for the past two minutes. | ||
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On May 26 2020 18:03 sneakyfox wrote: Would it be an idea to say that a player can only participate in one Open Cup per week? Or region lock them | ||
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On May 26 2020 18:03 sneakyfox wrote: Would it be an idea to say that a player can only participate in one Open Cup per week? But why? Some players participating in two events isn't really a problem imo. For regional competition we have the revised ESL Pro Tour circuit already. So forcing some players to gamble between playing the EU event or the NA event (or the KR event or the NA event), just seems to create problems where there weren't any previously. | ||
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On June 02 2020 01:33 Elentos wrote: So for some reason the EU cup isn't properly seeded. Rail has been given the #1 seed, Milkicow the #2 seed. Clem is #43, Heromarine #70, Showtime #79 for some examples. E: I don't think the Korean one was correctly seeded either. welp, time to void this week's results until real admins are back in place  ? | ||
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Clem realised and went back before leaving with a no gg which I havnt seen in a while from him. Rough | ||
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On June 02 2020 05:46 HolydaKing wrote: Yeah, he seems to be in great shape. Is his PvZ as good? his pvt is his worst his pvp is his best his pvz is in the middle | ||
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On June 02 2020 17:55 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Showtime didn't drop a map on EU, angry Clem went on to do the same on NA, thas cool Showtime did drop a map on eu, he was nearly eliminated even | ||
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On June 02 2020 20:12 ilax30 wrote: Showtime did drop a map on eu, he was nearly eliminated even My bad, didn't check the full bracket. You are right, spaz was just about eliminating Showtime and stealing the cup. | ||
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Anyway he seems to be on a good streak right now and with this form and a very doable GSL group, it'll be interesting to follow him. | ||
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On June 30 2020 06:19 Crocolisk Dundee wrote: Can’t believe uThermal just won the first map against Clem. What a move there at the end when all seemed lost. Insane, those hellbat drops really did work. Watched it back and some casters were just asking why uthermal is still in the game. Cant blame em, sick comeback | ||
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On June 30 2020 05:53 [PkF] Wire wrote: two EU finals without Heromarine in a row ? What is going on ? Liquid ganged up on him | ||
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On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?) Of Rivia | ||
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On July 07 2020 06:02 [PkF] Wire wrote: the way Heromarine dismantled Geralt in g3 was rather impressive (btw once and for all, is it Gerald or Geralt ?) As in every other situation in life, Liquipedia is the authority you need: Gerald | ||
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On July 07 2020 17:41 sneakyfox wrote: As in every other situation in life, Liquipedia is the authority you need: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Gerald probably the best way to handle such a tricky conundrum ! | ||
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On July 07 2020 18:14 [PkF] Wire wrote: probably the best way to handle such a tricky conundrum ! Gerald Alternate IDs: Geralt | ||
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I'll go with Gerald until the title of the page is changed to Geralt haha | ||
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On July 12 2020 19:09 StaNi wrote: Where can I find replays from cups? Replays are not distributed. But you can check the VoDs of your favorite Caster, he s most likely covering at least one of the 3 Cups every week | ||
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Almost got the perfect 4/4 Germans in the Semifinals Should have been a walk in the Park to get there, just beat Clem an uThermal in that breaket part | ||
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ETA: OOOH Dark signed up for this one. Sad about GSL probably :'( ETA2: well I know nothing about ZvZ but cheese is always funny if you're on the outside. | ||
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I don't like Dark but gg. edit : tbf, sOs is the player I dislike the most. | ||
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sOs made the carrier transition while Dark was on hydra/lurker/viper/infestor. sOs feedbacked almost all the vipers and managed to kill off a lot of the army before Dark transitioned into corruptors. Then it was 3/2 Carriers vs 0/0 corruptors and sOs just shredded. | ||
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On July 20 2020 21:53 Z3nith wrote: sOs made the carrier transition while Dark was on hydra/lurker/viper/infestor. sOs feedbacked almost all the vipers and managed to kill off a lot of the army before Dark transitioned into corruptors. Then it was 3/2 Carriers vs 0/0 corruptors and sOs just shredded. Hm ok yeah that sounds like a position where skytoss is good enough to win :D | ||
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On July 20 2020 21:55 darklycid wrote: Hm ok yeah that sounds like a position where skytoss is good enough to win :D The entire sOs vs Dark series was nuts. I'd highly recommend. | ||
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On July 20 2020 21:58 Z3nith wrote: The entire sOs vs Dark series was nuts. I'd highly recommend. watched parts of it last game was pure insanity. | ||
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On July 20 2020 18:28 Gina wrote: Hehe, Silky vs Silky ZvZ right now! ETA: OOOH Dark signed up for this one. Sad about GSL probably :'( ETA2: well I know nothing about ZvZ but cheese is always funny if you're on the outside. Anyone know which silky won? lp only showed 2-1, and I guess it's probably hard to tell by vods because both of them are cheesy zerg with exact same name | ||
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On July 21 2020 04:25 ilax30 wrote: 4 protoss in the semi's, wat a race. And what games we're getting out of them. Lose 15 workers before the five minute mark? That's alright. | ||
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On July 21 2020 05:14 dbRic1203 wrote: What a run by my boy MaxPax allready :D I m loving all of it That's nice to see quite freshblood. I didn't miss pvp though. | ||
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On July 21 2020 06:11 HolydaKing wrote: Too bad Showtime kinda crushed him (so far, but I think g3 is not looking good at all). But man these weekly cups are absolutely amazing when watching Rotti's stream. Well :D Showtime pretty much bopped him but nice run. | ||
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On July 21 2020 06:15 JustPassingBy wrote: Did Showtime not drop a single map in this cup? O.o Noticed this too, didn't seem like the hardest bracket admittedly, but still insane to go 10-0 in PvP. Edit: plus the 2 wins against TLO, and 2-0 against RosscOx in the Ro64, which doesn't show on Liquipedia | ||
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On July 21 2020 07:11 yubo56 wrote: Noticed this too, didn't seem like the hardest bracket admittedly, but still insane to go 10-0 in PvP. Edit: plus the 2 wins against TLO, and 2-0 against RosscOx in the Ro64, which doesn't show on Liquipedia There's a reason people consider him the non-Korean Stats. | ||
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On July 21 2020 02:35 Howard_Kao wrote: Anyone know which silky won? lp only showed 2-1, and I guess it's probably hard to tell by vods because both of them are cheesy zerg with exact same name The Chinese Silky won. They considerately had US and CN in their clan tags =) Also, the desktop Liquipedia shows nationality flags, it's the mobile version that seems to cut them for smaller screen sizes. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + no warpgate/ Phenix/ Immortals straight into Carriers | ||
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edit: also, proxy stargate proves once again to be absolute trash | ||
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Clem really fell apart after that Zoun vs T moment in game 4 | ||
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Neeb played super well those last three games against clem, but his level of play fell off immensely against gabe. Well, good for the guy who loves winning online cups. | ||
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On August 04 2020 04:42 Snijjer wrote: Why didn't Clem just attack from the other side of the gold mineral wall against Showtime? That would have taken all the zlots out of the equation and his tank would have out ranged every other unit. Clem seemed pretty tilted with those ragequits, probably not playing his best game | ||
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On August 04 2020 14:03 Pandain wrote: Who was streaming ? Basetrade, PiG and the rest of the usual suspects. | ||
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On August 04 2020 06:53 Nebuchad wrote: Clem seemed pretty tilted with those ragequits, probably not playing his best game Yeah when it's 2-2 you go "GG WP" lol... I somehow have even less respect for that than last week's ragequits | ||
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On August 11 2020 06:24 tpf_x wrote: 10k+ combined viewers for EU today. Crazy how many people watch these weekly cups. Well, it's the European elite minus Serral / Reynor (usually) playing in these. It's pretty exciting to see some top tier PvT and TvT. To be honest, the other Zerg players don't really stand a chance against Clem/Heromarine/Showtime/Mana from what it looks like in these weekly cups. But I guess the same would be true if the top 2 players of the other races were missing as well. edit: GG wp HeroMarine! | ||
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On August 11 2020 06:28 HolydaKing wrote: Nice game by Heromarine, he prior to the series said he's feeling good today and hopes he can finally beat Showtime again after getting beaten up by him recently. Well, it's the European elite minus Serral / Reynor (usually) playing in these. It's pretty exciting to see some top tier PvT and TvT. To be honest, the other Zerg players don't really stand a chance against Clem/Heromarine/Showtime/Mana from what it looks like in these weekly cups. But I guess the same would be true if the top 2 players of the other races were missing as well. edit: GG wp HeroMarine! It could be a bit better as Uthermal barely plays em, Drogo skips them most of the time and has Elazer even played a single one?! Those are guys that can beat a showtime/Clem/Heromarine who make it to the final most of the time which would be a nice changeup. But other than that its pretty stacked, hope reynor also plays a couple again here and there to spice things up. | ||
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On August 11 2020 07:06 ilax30 wrote: It could be a bit better as Uthermal barely plays em, Drogo skips them most of the time and has Elazer even played a single one?! Those are guys that can beat a showtime/Clem/Heromarine who make it to the final most of the time which would be a nice changeup. But other than that its pretty stacked, hope reynor also plays a couple again here and there to spice things up. Elazer played the first few weeks with limited succes | ||
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On August 18 2020 03:49 Nebuchad wrote: Maxpax will be the best toss in a few years if the game is still around Maxpax will be the #1 EU protoss by the end of 2021 | ||
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On August 18 2020 04:09 Zzzapper wrote: Maxpax will be the #1 EU protoss by the end of 2021 His offbeat aggressive style still seems like it's not the most stable style in the long term, but he is improving fast. He's either going to be the next best toss or the next Lucifron. | ||
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On August 18 2020 04:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: His offbeat aggressive style still seems like it's not the most stable style in the long term, but he is improving fast. He's either going to be the next best toss or the next Lucifron. Young Flash was a cheeser In any case, protoss is by far the race where unconventional players have had the most success | ||
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And sOs and parting are both examples of super strong agressive Protoss, so there is defnatly a lot of potential for him | ||
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On August 18 2020 06:03 sneakyfox wrote: If only Big Gabe was as good in other tournaments as he is in the ESL weekly Serral, reynor and koreans are in other tournaments, whole different story | ||
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On August 18 2020 06:16 ilax30 wrote: Serral, reynor and koreans are in other tournaments, whole different story Well Technically Reynor was in this one | ||
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On August 25 2020 03:54 ilax30 wrote: Bly 2-0'ing Elazer while Kas beats Neeb. Talk about a drought.. Good thing there is DH NA soon again for Neeb which he will probably win again, but his level of play hasnt been great at all for a while now Astrea looked way better than him during the War Chest Team League, so there's potential for the upset this DH NA. | ||
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On August 25 2020 04:34 Kuchikikun wrote: Iirc Neeb lost every game in the War Chest TL. Astrea played amazing beating great players (Astrea vs Cure was amazing). Yeah, Neeb was wirst Player in the League (technically together with SouL, but Neeb had arguably easier opponents) | ||
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There was a period early on where he had good results due to his mastery of cheese. | ||
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IEM Season XI - World Championship/Offline Qualifier) and had some other notable results. | ||
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BigGabeWeekly #34 An All-American finishers in the NA #34 Pretty decent participation despite the tight Dreamhack schedule. Love it! | ||
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On September 22 2020 03:43 royalroadweed wrote: Feels like I've seen this same PvZ on this same map with some other protoss against serral as well. DNS maybe? It's the same stage of the game but I don't think that one started with Dns completely destroying Serral in the early game and having 8 bases vs 5 for 15 minutes without having any chance of winning | ||
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On September 22 2020 03:39 Nebuchad wrote: Serral vs Goblin game 1 could not be stupider I agree... its torment to watch a game like that. INSANE that goblin did not win that one. | ||
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On September 22 2020 05:51 ilax30 wrote: Happy Clem managed to best Gabe this time around, should now have a good final atleast According to Reynor (+ their last opposition), Big Gabe would have been pretty competitive too. | ||
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Edit: At least the ESL recap people have something to talk about now :D | ||
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dbRic1203
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HolydaKing
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. ESL Open Cup KR/36 was more sad imo. But for Protoss lovers it must have been nice. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6815 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On September 28 2020 19:33 HolydaKing wrote: There is a huge lack of korean participation, but at least there is DRG . ESL Open Cup KR/36 was more sad imo. But for Protoss lovers it must have been nice.That one had Stats, Trap, Zoun, Hurricane, Patience + Special. Today we have DRG, Creator + Special. That s not even close imo. | ||
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ilax30
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On September 29 2020 04:15 AzAlexZ wrote: the chat log between Ptitdrogo and Neeb at the end of game 2 was freakin' hilarious Damit, missed that one What happend? | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
spoilers for a game be warned, don't look at this if you don't want to find out what happened + Show Spoiler + so Neeb won a game with mass chadrays vs drogo archon stalkers, and drogo lost because of the lack of storm, so they were talking about it and had a good laugh | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Not perfect, far from it, but wonderful nonsense to behold. | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
On September 29 2020 05:57 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Bly's games today have been superb. Not perfect, far from it, but wonderful nonsense to behold. He is hilarous x) | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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ilax30
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JustPassingBy
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On September 29 2020 18:50 JustPassingBy wrote: I still can't believe Bly beat Neeb (good for him though!). Anybody knows where to watch the games (I know Wardi didn't cast them)? Well they are practise partners for ages now, so it s kind of expected, that they know each other pretty well. Their games are pretty much always insanely entertaining | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
On September 29 2020 18:50 JustPassingBy wrote: I still can't believe Bly beat Neeb (good for him though!). Anybody knows where to watch the games (I know Wardi didn't cast them)? I am pretty sure he casted the last two games and they are fucking great. | ||
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CynicalDeath
Italy3222 Posts
On September 29 2020 18:50 JustPassingBy wrote: I still can't believe Bly beat Neeb (good for him though!). Anybody knows where to watch the games (I know Wardi didn't cast them)? ESL Open Cup EU/38 at the bottom there's the streams list, try to see there (usually being a semifinal, many streamers cover it) | ||
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JustPassingBy
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Calliope
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ZigguratOfUr
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
E.: Also 3/4 in NA Semis were from Team Exon | ||
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Gina
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Harris1st
Germany6815 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On October 12 2020 22:24 Harris1st wrote: Zerg army is pissed and playing with full force lol Kr full of Zergs, EU no Zergs. What s going on here E.: also Clem is on quite the TvP streak | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1355 Posts
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ilax30
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
And realy impressing with his PvZ this week with Big eins over Lambo, Vanya and then Scarlett | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6815 Posts
Hope he can bring some magic in the Winter season EDIT: I just checked LP. It says qualifier for EU Winter starts tomorrow O.O Yay more Starcraft :D | ||
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CynicalDeath
Italy3222 Posts
On October 13 2020 17:29 Harris1st wrote: MaxPax is the hero we need! Hope he can bring some magic in the Winter season EDIT: I just checked LP. It says qualifier for EU Winter starts tomorrow O.O Yay more Starcraft :D ...never stop checking LP...  | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6815 Posts
Correction: LP contributors are the heroes we need! | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 20 2020 04:23 AzAlexZ wrote: Am I the only one puzzled at why Neeb keeps losing to players underneath his level in the ESL Cups? No hate to MaxPax or goblin from last week, ggwp to them, but this is Neeb we're talking about Neeb has not been playing well this year (or at least not to his usual level). He's still the favourite against say goblin, but him losing isn't all that puzzling. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On October 20 2020 04:23 AzAlexZ wrote: Am I the only one puzzled at why Neeb keeps losing to players underneath his level in the ESL Cups? No hate to MaxPax or goblin from last week, ggwp to them, but this is Neeb we're talking about With how Neeb has been playing this year, while still the favorite, the skill gap isn t as big, as you appearently think. Afaik Neebs MMR in EU is somewhere between Goblin (6.6) and MaxPax (6.8) so it s not suprising, that they can take matches from him. Also MaxPax hasn t lost a Open Cup match to others than Solar or Clem in the last 5 he played in, he s absolutly on fire right now Edit: spelling, was on phone | ||
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Philippe
349 Posts
On October 20 2020 04:23 AzAlexZ wrote: Am I the only one puzzled at why Neeb keeps losing to players underneath his level in the ESL Cups? No hate to MaxPax or goblin from last week, ggwp to them, but this is Neeb we're talking about What is also different is Neeb almost sure of qualifying for Katowice when the likes of Goblin and MaxPax are still hunting a spot on either direct qualification or offline last chances so they possibly play with a bigger sense of urgency. In that aspect every point is good to take. | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
On October 20 2020 14:23 Philippe wrote: What is also different is Neeb almost sure of qualifying for Katowice when the likes of Goblin and MaxPax are still hunting a spot on either direct qualification or offline last chances so they possibly play with a bigger sense of urgency. In that aspect every point is good to take. Ha, as optimistic as these youngsters are, dont think they are thinking about Kato atm.. Good thing for neeb he is “stuck” with playing the NA region though. As there is a good chance he wouldnt have qualified otherwise with this years level. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On October 20 2020 17:26 ilax30 wrote: Ha, as optimistic as these youngsters are, dont think they are thinking about Kato atm.. Good thing for neeb he is “stuck” with playing the NA region though. As there is a good chance he wouldnt have qualified otherwise with this years level. I think for MaxPax to keep the qualify to Kato dream alive, he would have to get at least top 3 in EU. That means, he has to beat Serral, Reynor or Clem in a Bo5. I can see him taking a Bo5 on a good day from any other foreigner, but not those 3, so it s pretty much impossible.. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
So yeah MaxPax is a promising player but I wouldn't be worried for Neeb judging on Open Cups only. | ||
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Philippe
349 Posts
On October 20 2020 18:34 Poopi wrote: Isn't MaxPax overrated? He has decent results in these low stakes ESL cups but he got beaten pretty badly in the meaningful EPT EU... Also HeroMarine is the god of Open Cups, having better results than Clem a lot of times, but Clem outshined him hard in DH Masters Fall both EU and international (HeroMarine didn't qualify). He even had a slightly worse result than MarineLord (granted this had to do with MarineLord being on fire and HeroMarine choking in TvP...). So yeah MaxPax is a promising player but I wouldn't be worried for Neeb judging on Open Cups only. Many give him a limitless ceiling but I don't think he overrates himself. And I don't think 3-4 is the definition of getting browbeaten to nonexistence. If anything he could have made top 12 at least if not for some critical errors. MarineLord also did nothing in the early part of the season. I have yet to see if he can maintain his form for a third season. Season Finals are a thing, but getting beaten 0-4 there puts a minus on it. Clem is the more reliable at the moment but he still misses the last bit to get over the Koreans. As about Neeb if it wasn't for the better points at the Open Cups, Astrea would be in front of him. So even if his form isn't bad by any stretch, not the best either and it's the same thing several weeks at least. On October 20 2020 17:26 ilax30 wrote: Ha, as optimistic as these youngsters are, dont think they are thinking about Kato atm.. Good thing for neeb he is “stuck” with playing the NA region though. As there is a good chance he wouldnt have qualified otherwise with this years level. Even if the qualification rankings were worldwide and not gated region bhy region, Neeb would likely still secure a direct qualification given his current tally but his worries would have probably been more uncomfortable. As for all the EU players outside of the top 8, given the number of points at the stake they have nothing to lose. At worse if they fizzle they can still scrape money in the smaller events. | ||
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mikedupp
233 Posts
On October 20 2020 18:34 Poopi wrote: Isn't MaxPax overrated? He has decent results in these low stakes ESL cups but he got beaten pretty badly in the meaningful EPT EU... . In PvP and maybe PvZ, no. His PvT isn't up to the level of the other match ups. Edit: he just turned 16 i think too so nobody is overrated at that age because they are still improving. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On October 21 2020 00:38 mikedupp wrote: There is no shame or reasons for alarm when losing a bo3 PvP vs someone not as good as you. In PvP and maybe PvZ, no. His PvT isn't up to the level of the other match ups. Edit: he just turned 16 i think too so nobody is overrated at that age because they are still improving. A lot of the HYPE around him is because of the potential people see in him. He s 16 and allready 6.8k on ladder and top 10 foreigners in Alligulac. Yes it s mostly low stackes tournament, but that still as good as Clem was when he turnen 16. After all Clem needed 2 more years to explode. Also MaxPax has his own style and is crafting a lot of builds, je s by no means a one Trick pony, Who has 1 or 2 builds per matchup. He still makes pretty bad errors from time to time, but he s improving more than any other pro atm. | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
On October 20 2020 18:34 Poopi wrote: Isn't MaxPax overrated? He has decent results in these low stakes ESL cups but he got beaten pretty badly in the meaningful EPT EU... Also HeroMarine is the god of Open Cups, having better results than Clem a lot of times, but Clem outshined him hard in DH Masters Fall both EU and international (HeroMarine didn't qualify). He even had a slightly worse result than MarineLord (granted this had to do with MarineLord being on fire and HeroMarine choking in TvP...). So yeah MaxPax is a promising player but I wouldn't be worried for Neeb judging on Open Cups only. I mean the real reason Marinelord did better than Heromarine was simply because of the bracket. Gabe had to face Serral in the lower bracket just to qualify for the season finals while Marinelord faced off against the likes of Skillous and Gerald instead for a top 4 spot. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24424 Posts
He’s trending up quicker than I expected perhaps sooner rather than later he’ll take that first big win and ascend to the title of Maximus Paximus | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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ilax30
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Husyelt
United States823 Posts
On October 27 2020 10:32 ilax30 wrote: I would highly recommend people to watch the Dolan - DRG series from todays ESL cup whicch basetrade tv casted. On paper it looks like a total mismatch, but it didnt turn out to be that way. And oh boy some of the builds Dolan did.. Even though I watched tons of dreamhack, this was prob the most entertaining series I watched this month. Ah man, how long does basetrade take to get to the vod stage? EDIT: Gerald vs DRG g3 might be the biggest mid game comeback ive ever seen in LotV EDIT2!! | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
On October 27 2020 10:50 Husyelt wrote: Ah man, how long does basetrade take to get to the vod stage? EDIT: Gerald vs DRG g3 might be the biggest mid game comeback ive ever seen in LotV EDIT2!! It starts at 2:10:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/782879977 And yeah that g3 just now between Gerald and DRG was insane as well. I wouldnt call it the best comeback ever though, even though Gerald was in a bad spot multiple time he kept DRG at bay just because his army was better and I didnt feel Gerald was out of it after recovering from losing his 3rd base early on. But how he played that out from behind, his army control etc.. Wow | ||
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Husyelt
United States823 Posts
On October 27 2020 11:35 ilax30 wrote: It starts at 2:10:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/782879977 And yeah that g3 just now between Gerald and DRG was insane as well. I wouldnt call it the best comeback ever though, even though Gerald was in a bad spot multiple time he kept DRG at bay just because his army was better and I didnt feel Gerald was out of it after recovering from losing his 3rd base early on. But how he played that out from behind, his army control etc.. Wow holy fuck Dolan is a god, what a series | ||
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Slydie
1913 Posts
On October 21 2020 05:39 WombaT wrote: I didn’t know he was quite that young, I, like many others like the unorthodox but logical and strategically sound Max Pax build. Shows a shrewd Starcraft brain. He’s trending up quicker than I expected perhaps sooner rather than later he’ll take that first big win and ascend to the title of Maximus Paximus A creative prodegy foreign Protoss would certainly be more than welcome! | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6815 Posts
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ilax30
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JustPassingBy
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On November 10 2020 07:32 ilax30 wrote: Important 5 points there for uthermal, with lambo and elazer on his doorstep and another 2 tournaments with EPT points to come before Kato these 2 spots behind Showtime are going to get interesting. Yeah, while the Top 5 is pretty much seit in stone allready there could still happen a lot behind them. Also keep in mind, that the last ESL Global Event will give a direkt seed to Kato. That means, if Clem, Reynor or Serral win it, uThermal could still get a direkt invitation and Lambo could get to the Open stage | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
On November 10 2020 15:39 dbRic1203 wrote: Yeah, while the Top 5 is pretty much seit in stone allready there could still happen a lot behind them. Also keep in mind, that the last ESL Global Event will give a direkt seed to Kato. That means, if Clem, Reynor or Serral win it, uThermal could still get a direkt invitation and Lambo could get to the Open stage Ah yes, knew about the lambo situation but forgot it could also impact the 6th seeded player. With TSL announced now though so much still can happen. Gonna be good | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Also Lambo is Co - casting on Wardis channel, wich is amazing | ||
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Philippe
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Gina
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Armani the ZvT bonjwa | ||
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dbRic1203
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
2-0 Gabe 2-1 Elazer 1-3 Harstem 2-1 Astrea 3-1 Nightmare 2-3 Zest So close to finally winning one Also GGs to Harstem, I belive this was his first win? | ||
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stilt
France2746 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24424 Posts
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sneakyfox
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On March 25 2021 03:43 sneakyfox wrote: Does anyone know when they will start giving EPT points again? I believe Cup 65 is going to give points again. Like shown on the LP page | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On March 25 2021 05:15 dbRic1203 wrote: I believe Cup 65 is going to give points again. Like shown on the LP page Thanks | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Korea started out weirdly enough with Has getting 2nd place to Ragnarok. Then in Europe Gungfu made the finals (and Kas and Krystianer beat MaNa and Heromarine respectively). But NA has to be the strangest with Spatz beating Zest, before losing to Trigger who lost to Erik (who beat Ragnarok to get there)??? | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On March 30 2021 13:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Strange week. Korea started out weirdly enough with Has getting 2nd place to Ragnarok. Then in Europe Gungfu made the finals (and Kas and Krystianer beat MaNa and Heromarine respectively). But NA has to be the strangest with Spatz beating Zest, before losing to Trigger who lost to Erik (who beat Ragnarok to get there)??? Yeah, both finalists of the KR Cup playing in NA and not getting Past the Ro8 is truely weired | ||
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Sinistro
Brazil684 Posts
Just a small notice on the Open Cups, we will have more information for Aprils' schedule soon, and also all the sign up links so no one miss a thing. Our announcement should be coming up on the next couple days. | ||
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