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Super hyped, thanks for the the LR thread!
Predictions:
Group A:
1. Trap
2. Cure
3. Solar
4. TIME
Group B:
1. TY
2. Serral
3. Showtime
4. uThermal
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Gonna be exciting to see how many changes the patch will bring. It'll be a great event no matter how imba the patch might be.  I'm expecting speed Zealots to be quite strong.
Group A:
1.  Trap
2.  Cure
3. TIME
4. TaeJa
Group D:
1. PartinG
2. INnoVation
3.  Reynor
4. HeRoMaRinE
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Excited to see how Serral does in a most likely unfavorable for zerg meta.
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On November 19 2019 05:08 Moonerz wrote:
Excited to see how Serral does in a most likely unfavorable for zerg meta.
Serral can defeat top players through mechanics and superior multitasking alone.
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On November 19 2019 05:08 Moonerz wrote:
Excited to see how Serral does in a most likely unfavorable for zerg meta.
If it's just that, you can rewatch HSC XVIII where Zerg had major issues against Terran.
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On November 19 2019 05:08 Moonerz wrote:
Excited to see how Serral does in a most likely unfavorable for zerg meta.
I actually think the players with the best mechanics would be favored here where strategies and compositions might not be figured out 
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On November 19 2019 06:50 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2019 05:08 Moonerz wrote:
Excited to see how Serral does in a most likely unfavorable for zerg meta. I actually think the players with the best mechanics would be favored here where strategies and compositions might not be figured out
Right, but will he play standard or maybe opt for more timing attacks etc.
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That sucks, Special would be a good replacement since his playstyle is similar. I'd also love Skillous as a replacement, having a russian surely wouldn't hurt and he's quite good. But he's no terran and I'm not sure if that even would be possible since it's on such a short notice. If Special can't go, I'm expecting someone more close to Germany tbh.
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Bring Fantasy in for a last minute last tournament?
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On November 19 2019 22:10 Xain0n wrote:Bring Fantasy in for a last minute last tournament?
He stopped playing. Even declined a Showmatch I was told
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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France12761 Posts
Oh shit no TY.
Still gonna be awesome though, can't wait
Hopefully we have SpeCial instead their playstyles are relatively similar indeed
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you know the hype is real when an LR thread in 2019 is open 3 days before the event starts
sucks about TY :/
looking forward to getting home from work and tuning into a stream of drunk-ass nerds casting games of semi-drunk nerds
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Cure has been on fire recently, could see him going really far
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On November 19 2019 22:17 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2019 22:10 Xain0n wrote:Bring Fantasy in for a last minute last tournament? He stopped playing. Even declined a Showmatch I was told
If Special cannot come either maybe you should message the finnish legend louis
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Nice with Socke and White-Ra as guests! Do they even play casual anymore?
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Do you have any details on what the problem is?
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Germany339 Posts
possible changes to the groups incomming
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On November 20 2019 01:07 sneakyfox wrote:Do you have any details on what the problem is?
No sorry, don't know more than what is in the tweet.
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On November 20 2019 01:37 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 01:07 sneakyfox wrote:Do you have any details on what the problem is? No sorry, don't know more than what is in the tweet.
His passport is expiring within the next 3 months. Honestly a damned shame because no replacement is gonna make up for this. Not on this short a notice.
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On November 20 2019 02:23 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 01:37 Musicus wrote:On November 20 2019 01:07 sneakyfox wrote:Do you have any details on what the problem is? No sorry, don't know more than what is in the tweet. His passport is expiring within the next 3 months. Honestly a damned shame because no replacement is gonna make up for this. Not on this short a notice.
Damn man, this really sucks, Korea is so strict on this :/.
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Mad respect for Special for joining at such short notice, he's doing it for TY too I guess. He'll have a good time I'm sure.
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Really cool move from Special <3
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Yes, Special is in! At least one of the most desires comes, even if it happens at the expense of TY.
Are groups being modified because of that?
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On November 20 2019 03:44 Xain0n wrote:
Yes, Special is in! At least one of the most desires comes, even if it happens at the expense of TY.
Are groups being modified because of that?
probably, i have a source that says special will most likely play on friday not thursday, hence there should be some changes
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On November 20 2019 03:46 hjpalpha wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 03:44 Xain0n wrote:
Yes, Special is in! At least one of the most desires comes, even if it happens at the expense of TY.
Are groups being modified because of that? probably, i have a source that says special will most likely play on friday not thursday, hence there should be some changes
Hm seems like he is fine with it after all and is looking forward to destroying MlorD in his group.
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On November 20 2019 03:47 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 03:46 hjpalpha wrote:On November 20 2019 03:44 Xain0n wrote:
Yes, Special is in! At least one of the most desires comes, even if it happens at the expense of TY.
Are groups being modified because of that? probably, i have a source that says special will most likely play on friday not thursday, hence there should be some changes Hm seems like he is fine with it after all and is looking forward to destroy MlorD in his group. https://twitter.com/SpeCialsc2/status/1196856692908142592
maybe they swithed the whole group to friday, idk^^
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On November 20 2019 03:49 hjpalpha wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 03:47 Musicus wrote:On November 20 2019 03:46 hjpalpha wrote:On November 20 2019 03:44 Xain0n wrote:
Yes, Special is in! At least one of the most desires comes, even if it happens at the expense of TY.
Are groups being modified because of that? probably, i have a source that says special will most likely play on friday not thursday, hence there should be some changes Hm seems like he is fine with it after all and is looking forward to destroy MlorD in his group. https://twitter.com/SpeCialsc2/status/1196856692908142592 maybe they swithed the whole group to friday, idk^^
Ah yeah, also a good option for sure, would make sense to keep the groups the same apart from switchting out special and TY, since the players already prepared. Special not wanting to play on Thursday is reasonable too.
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Hello.
I can confirm the following
Group swap from day 1 and day 2. Both evening groups are swapped:
B (Serral, Special, Showtime, uThermal, PtitDrogo, Kelazhur, Bly, MarinelorD moved to Friday
D (Reynor, INnoVation, Parting, Heromarine, Harstem, MaNa, SortOf, Denver) moved to Thursday
So a 1:1 swap. Thanks!
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Sad TY cannot make it...visa issues can be hell (i know i know his passport expired) but still very happy to see special. 25 hours to go!
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Hope the players in group D are able to manage this change.
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Tiebreak rules:
Wins > Mapdifference > H2H > Tiebreak
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On November 20 2019 19:37 TaKeTV wrote:
Tiebreak rules:
Wins > Mapdifference > H2H > Tiebreak
So Winning once 2-0 and losing all other matches 0-2 is better than going 1-1 every time?
Am I missunderstanding somthing here?
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On November 20 2019 20:41 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 19:37 TaKeTV wrote:
Tiebreak rules:
Wins > Mapdifference > H2H > Tiebreak So Winning once 2-0 and losing all other matches 0-2 is better than going 1-1 every time? Am I missunderstanding somthing here?
how is going 2-12 more wins than going 7-7?
although i guess in this case, wins and mapdifference are always the same thing
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On November 20 2019 20:53 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 20:41 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 20 2019 19:37 TaKeTV wrote:
Tiebreak rules:
Wins > Mapdifference > H2H > Tiebreak So Winning once 2-0 and losing all other matches 0-2 is better than going 1-1 every time? Am I missunderstanding somthing here? how is going 2-12 more wins than going 7-7? although i guess in this case, wins and mapdifference are always the same thing
I assumed winning means winning a series, if wins means maps it is fine I gues
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On November 20 2019 20:59 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 20:53 Schelim wrote:On November 20 2019 20:41 dbRic1203 wrote:On November 20 2019 19:37 TaKeTV wrote:
Tiebreak rules:
Wins > Mapdifference > H2H > Tiebreak So Winning once 2-0 and losing all other matches 0-2 is better than going 1-1 every time? Am I missunderstanding somthing here? how is going 2-12 more wins than going 7-7? although i guess in this case, wins and mapdifference are always the same thing I assumed winning means winning a series, if wins means maps it is fine I gues
yeah if it's meant to be a series win, i agree it's not a good idea in this format, for the reason you gave. statistically speaking, a third of all matches result in a tie (there's 3 possible outcomes: player A wins 2-0, player B wins 2-0, or they go 1-1) and i don't think it's fair to say someone that manages to beat one or two players 2-0 but loses to everyone else is better than someone who can consistently take one map off each opponent.
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Just so you guys know, we are still working on tiebreak stuff. Sorry for the confusion, obviously you are smart and we potentially do map difference first, thanks for the input. Sorry a bit stressed here, once we are done we will obviously announce the final decision. Could take a bit since Traidos the big brain isnt here yet.
You guys help us whenever you point out mistakes, so thank you
- NarutO
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On November 20 2019 17:38 TaKeTV wrote:
Hello.
I can confirm the following
Group swap from day 1 and day 2. Both evening groups are swapped:
B (Serral, Special, Showtime, uThermal, PtitDrogo, Kelazhur, Bly, MarinelorD moved to Friday
D (Reynor, INnoVation, Parting, Heromarine, Harstem, MaNa, SortOf, Denver) moved to Thursday
So a 1:1 swap. Thanks!
Hey,
can you explain me what is logic behind invitees usualy?
I am a little angry you didn't invited Special, who is probably top1 or top3 terran in Circuit, and you invited soul, sortof, zanster and tlo who are by all criterias mediocre players at their best. If Special can come now, he would come at first for sure.
I am big fan of your work but I can't agree with invites. I think you missed to invite few more great players and kick out those who will serve to entertain audience and boost map score for good players like Medoed in NW19. I hope that likes of Neeb or Masa refused invites and mediocres was just pure replacement but Special's case make me doubt it.
Good luck with cup, I can't wait for it.
p.s.please don't understand this as negative critic, I am absolute fan of HSC and your dedication!
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There are multiple possible reasons tbh... no need to be angry. Mostly travel costs I'd imagine. TY didn't participate so these stayed (about) the same for TakeTV I'd imagine.
As for other invites, those are no wish concert really. Check out the other thread in general forum or especially this post:
On November 16 2019 08:40 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2019 03:15 Musicus wrote:On November 15 2019 06:41 Z3nith wrote:On November 15 2019 06:06 Musicus wrote:On November 15 2019 05:49 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2019 05:36 Musicus wrote:On November 15 2019 05:25 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2019 04:28 Musicus wrote:On November 15 2019 04:24 Seeker wrote:
Did Dark decline his invite? Indeed he did, didn't feel like going to Germany I think. I think NarutO said he was worried about language issues at well. Probably just wants a well deserved break. Language issues...? What about all the other Koreans going then? Gotta ask Dark that question :D Also, did Rogue decline his invite too? Yes, I just asked, Rogue was invited but declined. Out of curiosity who was invited but declined? Don't have a full list and don't want to bother Naruto with a full list either, but the big NA players declined as well for example. Maru too. You never bother, I just don't always see every post. Neeb, Special, Scarlett, Rogue, sOs, Maru, Classic, Dark, Stephano Neeb > wants to relax / avoid travel end of year Classic > military (asked for summer, same reason winter so I didnt ask) Special > schedule conflict Rogue > doesnt want to travel Dark > language barrier Maru > doesnt want to travel sOs > doesnt want to travel Scarlett > doesnt want to attend Stephano > university class he got , cant be skipped Namshar > private reason cannot attend (cancelled) probably forgot someone but thats it so far.
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On November 20 2019 22:20 JanDe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 17:38 TaKeTV wrote:
Hello.
I can confirm the following
Group swap from day 1 and day 2. Both evening groups are swapped:
B (Serral, Special, Showtime, uThermal, PtitDrogo, Kelazhur, Bly, MarinelorD moved to Friday
D (Reynor, INnoVation, Parting, Heromarine, Harstem, MaNa, SortOf, Denver) moved to Thursday
So a 1:1 swap. Thanks! Hey, can you explain me what is logic behind invitees usualy? I am a little angry you didn't invited Special, who is probably top1 or top3 terran in Circuit, and you invited soul, sortof, zanster and tlo who are by all criterias mediocre players at their best. If Special can come now, he would come at first for sure. I am big fan of your work but I can't agree with invites. I think you missed to invite few more great players and kick out those who will serve to entertain audience and boost map score for good players like Medoed in NW19. I hope that likes of Neeb or Masa refused invites and mediocres was just pure replacement but Special's case make me doubt it. Good luck with cup, I can't wait for it. p.s.please don't understand this as negative critic, I am absolute fan of HSC and your dedication!
Hey, so I am doing the invites mostly so this is very much directed at me. I don't take it as offence at all. SpeCial was invited beforehand as was Neeb, both declined for example. As for MaSa. I invited him in the past and he couldn't really make it ever since his team was never sending him if I remember correctly. Also he has no history with HSC so while I personally (NarutO) want to make an as good lineup as possible I can understand that others internally and audience also want a mix of personality, history etc.
So players like Taeja who isn't really insane right now gets invited due to being 3 time champion and you simply cant miss that. TLO has history all over HSC etc. There are a lot of reasons and I believe we have a very good mix, a lot more leaning towards skilled than funny actually this time.
So in the end as you can see its a matter of preference. If you would add all very good players but remove every player that actually goes and sits down on the couch, you remove a lot of what is HomeStoryCup. Also I want to point out since you named him, Zanster only went ouf the groups last time by 1 map if I remember correctly and could have taken one map vs Zest (which was needed) too.
Also as I said, while I personally lean towards making a great lineup, I believe I did that and I even wrote down a list of players who declined
In addition: We paid for I believe 9 Koreans + SpeCial last minute now, which is usually way over budget and is now as well but we wanted to make it special. (no pun intended)
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Thank you for clarifications, that's all I needed to hear. Good luck tomorrow and continue to do great work. I love you guys <3
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Group A huge group of death
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Head
A: Cure, Solar, Trap, TIME
D: Innovation, Reynor, HeroMarine, Harstem
Heart
A: Too many favorite players in one group to pick 
B: innovation, Parting, Harstem, Denver
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On November 20 2019 22:46 JanDe wrote:
Thank you for clarifications, that's all I needed to hear. Good luck tomorrow and continue to do great work. I love you guys <3
Edit: list was already posted above, didn't see it
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On November 20 2019 22:40 TaKeTV wrote:
There are a lot of reasons and I believe we have a very good mix, a lot more leaning towards skilled than funny actually this time.
So in the end as you can see its a matter of preference. If you would add all very good players but remove every player that actually goes and sits down on the couch, you remove a lot of what is HomeStoryCup. Also I want to point out since you named him, Zanster only went ouf the groups last time by 1 map if I remember correctly and could have taken one map vs Zest (which was needed) too.
Also as I said, while I personally lean towards making a great lineup, I believe I did that and I even wrote down a list of players who declined
It must be a challenging job for making up the lineup and organizing schedules etc. Thank you guys for that ! Its by far one of the greatest SC2 tournaments of the year for me. Cant wait to see stuff to get started.
What goes to the player selection, I think the heart of the HSC is the COUCH and random interviews/shenanigans all over the bar. If you would consider the level of play as an only criteria to select players, would the tournament be much duller and uninteresting for me and lot of other spectators too. Its always nice to see players more relaxed than in normal tournaments and interacting with fans and other players too. Same goes with commentating the matches (Please get MC back !!). All in all, im very happy for the lineup and wish you for a good and fun tournament once again. Hope I can participate in near future too.
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On November 20 2019 22:40 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 22:20 JanDe wrote:On November 20 2019 17:38 TaKeTV wrote:
Hello.
I can confirm the following
Group swap from day 1 and day 2. Both evening groups are swapped:
B (Serral, Special, Showtime, uThermal, PtitDrogo, Kelazhur, Bly, MarinelorD moved to Friday
D (Reynor, INnoVation, Parting, Heromarine, Harstem, MaNa, SortOf, Denver) moved to Thursday
So a 1:1 swap. Thanks! Hey, can you explain me what is logic behind invitees usualy? I am a little angry you didn't invited Special, who is probably top1 or top3 terran in Circuit, and you invited soul, sortof, zanster and tlo who are by all criterias mediocre players at their best. If Special can come now, he would come at first for sure. I am big fan of your work but I can't agree with invites. I think you missed to invite few more great players and kick out those who will serve to entertain audience and boost map score for good players like Medoed in NW19. I hope that likes of Neeb or Masa refused invites and mediocres was just pure replacement but Special's case make me doubt it. Good luck with cup, I can't wait for it. p.s.please don't understand this as negative critic, I am absolute fan of HSC and your dedication! Hey, so I am doing the invites mostly so this is very much directed at me. I don't take it as offence at all. SpeCial was invited beforehand as was Neeb, both declined for example. As for MaSa. I invited him in the past and he couldn't really make it ever since his team was never sending him if I remember correctly. Also he has no history with HSC so while I personally (NarutO) want to make an as good lineup as possible I can understand that others internally and audience also want a mix of personality, history etc. So players like Taeja who isn't really insane right now gets invited due to being 3 time champion and you simply cant miss that. TLO has history all over HSC etc. There are a lot of reasons and I believe we have a very good mix, a lot more leaning towards skilled than funny actually this time. So in the end as you can see its a matter of preference. If you would add all very good players but remove every player that actually goes and sits down on the couch, you remove a lot of what is HomeStoryCup. Also I want to point out since you named him, Zanster only went ouf the groups last time by 1 map if I remember correctly and could have taken one map vs Zest (which was needed) too. Also as I said, while I personally lean towards making a great lineup, I believe I did that and I even wrote down a list of players who declined In addition: We paid for I believe 9 Koreans + SpeCial last minute now, which is usually way over budget and is now as well but we wanted to make it special. (no pun intended)
Thank you so much for making everything happen! HSC is a huge part of sc2 culture and this tournament is going to be epic
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Still massively disappointed that TY cancelled over a stupid passport. Hope I'm over it by tomorrow, this is still going to be amazing.
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Naruto, is there info anywhere why the change in round robin from bo3 to bo2? Is it just to save time or something else as well?
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On November 21 2019 04:23 Azhrak wrote:
Naruto, is there info anywhere why the change in round robin from bo3 to bo2? Is it just to save time or something else as well?
Makes every game matter more, since losing 1 means you automatically can't "win" the series
I don't know if that THE reason but it's a very interesting effect that I'm sure went into consideration
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On November 21 2019 04:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2019 04:23 Azhrak wrote:
Naruto, is there info anywhere why the change in round robin from bo3 to bo2? Is it just to save time or something else as well? Makes every game matter more, since losing 1 means you automatically can't "win" the series I don't know if that THE reason but it's a very interesting effect that I'm sure went into consideration
one of the reasons. Also its a nice change of pace, as well as better or easier to plan and we are limited on time since we have to end at midnight
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It will be a great event. I'm really gonna miss iNcontroL.
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Germany339 Posts
update on how the places in the groups get determined aka tie-breaker rules:
1. map difference (equivalent to map wins because maps won = 2 * diff + 7)
2. Head to Head (mini league if more than 2 players are tied)
3. Bo1 tie breaker match (round robin, if more than 2 players are tied)
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Lambo already mocking Korean protoss' style of play
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Starcraft just had its own #metoo moment
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Well,is the Tropical Island really a tropical island,or just a hotel called Tropical Island?
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Hey, I have one suggestion for tiebreaker when everything else are tied: one extra match after both players are drunk, or simply a match of drinking beer.
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HOME STORY CUP! HOME STORY CUP!
So excited, not gonna sleep and miss the start tomorrow, yeah!
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With bo2, how do the map picks/vetoes work?
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On November 21 2019 08:24 FBTsingLoong wrote:Well,is the Tropical Island really a tropical island,or just a hotel called Tropical Island?
It s a Big glass dome, in there is Kind of a Tropical resort. So it s like an Island of tropical climate within the cold german Country.
https://images.app.goo.gl/DFXic1bVVUpFaxq79
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On November 21 2019 14:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
With bo2, how do the map picks/vetoes work?
Ban ban ban ban pick pick, one map left is auto ban
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On November 21 2019 16:00 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2019 14:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
With bo2, how do the map picks/vetoes work? Ban ban ban ban pick pick, one map left is auto ban
Glad to see there isn't some WCS ban/pick order™ going on. Is there some seeding to determine who bans/picks first, or is it randomized?
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Predictions:
Group A:
Trap, Time, Solar, Cure
Group D:
Reynor, Heromarine, Inno, Harstem/Parting
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Group A:
1. Trap
2. Cure
3. Solar
4. TIME
Group B:
1. Serral
2. Showtime
3. special
4.ptitidrogo
GOGO
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On November 21 2019 17:46 dspnebula wrote:
Group A:
1. Trap
2. Cure
3. Solar
4. TIME
Group B:
1. Serral
2. Showtime
3. special
4.ptitidrogo
GOGO
Today is Group A and D, they switched B and D because of Special:
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i just spent 5 minutes watching harstem and showtime swimming like senior citizens
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The games haven't even started and it's already a more entertaining event than last blizzcon. So cool to see OG Morhaime there. God I love homestory cup!
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It's Homestory cup time, happy Starcraft holidays everyone!!
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France12761 Posts
Fuck yeah it's started!!
Too bad I have too much work to listen with sound and stuff, but I'll be able to catch some games still
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lol the animated player portraits, how great is that
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Cure looking sharp so far!
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On November 21 2019 19:32 sudete wrote:
Cure looking sharp so far!
this patch is ridiculous lol
even artosis and rotti straight up saying what needs to be said
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On November 21 2019 19:34 BerserkSword wrote:this patch is ridiculous lol even artosis and rotti straight up saying what needs to be said
Maybe let's take it easy with the snap judgements and remember that Cure got away with super greedy 3rd base while Trap managed no economic damage to speak of. Cure was rich like TaKe up in dat game
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On November 21 2019 19:37 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2019 19:34 BerserkSword wrote:On November 21 2019 19:32 sudete wrote:
Cure looking sharp so far! this patch is ridiculous lol even artosis and rotti straight up saying what needs to be said Maybe let's take it easy with the snap judgements and remember that Cure got away with super greedy 3rd base while Trap managed no economic damage to speak of. Cure was rich like TaKe up in dat game
No, I think it's pretty safe to say this after we've seen a whole game.
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On November 21 2019 19:40 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2019 19:37 sneakyfox wrote:On November 21 2019 19:34 BerserkSword wrote:On November 21 2019 19:32 sudete wrote:
Cure looking sharp so far! this patch is ridiculous lol even artosis and rotti straight up saying what needs to be said Maybe let's take it easy with the snap judgements and remember that Cure got away with super greedy 3rd base while Trap managed no economic damage to speak of. Cure was rich like TaKe up in dat game it's not a snap judgement though the numbers dont add up protoss just got their BASIC UNIT heavily nerfed dps wise and Terran got a massive buff in terms of liberator timing the zealot buff might help in the ultra lategame and the liberator change might be a late game nerf, but there is a huge dynamic shift in terms of Protoss defending timings. The game was meticulously balanced around such thing (liberator was fine tuned over the years, and the zealot is a core unit) it's a massive shakeup....
But that was not what those two games were about. In g1, Trap was dead long before lib range. In g2, Trap managed to throw away his phoenixes for very little. Cure just played much better in both games.
That said, you could be right with the points you make, but we just haven't seen it yet.
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Not sure if Stargate openers is the way to go vs T now. They can perhaps work if sufficient economic damage is dealt, but I think fast Collosi with perhaps blink to snipe medivacs would be a better strat.
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It was ridiculous, zealots are totally useless, and bio crush everything (remember that stim got a buff).
The good point is it will show how bad this patch is, the problem is the whole tournament is just a crash test.
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On November 21 2019 19:43 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2019 19:40 BerserkSword wrote:On November 21 2019 19:37 sneakyfox wrote:On November 21 2019 19:34 BerserkSword wrote:On November 21 2019 19:32 sudete wrote:
Cure looking sharp so far! this patch is ridiculous lol even artosis and rotti straight up saying what needs to be said Maybe let's take it easy with the snap judgements and remember that Cure got away with super greedy 3rd base while Trap managed no economic damage to speak of. Cure was rich like TaKe up in dat game it's not a snap judgement though the numbers dont add up protoss just got their BASIC UNIT heavily nerfed dps wise and Terran got a massive buff in terms of liberator timing the zealot buff might help in the ultra lategame and the liberator change might be a late game nerf, but there is a huge dynamic shift in terms of Protoss defending timings. The game was meticulously balanced around such thing (liberator was fine tuned over the years, and the zealot is a core unit) it's a massive shakeup.... But that was not what those two games were about. In g1, Trap was dead long before lib range. In g2, Trap managed to throw away his phoenixes for very little. Cure just played much better in both games. That said, you could be right with the points you make, but we just haven't seen it yet.
I disagree but I deleted my previous post and will not talk on the matter anymore since im tired of getting banned for "balance whining" (nothing against discucssing this with you)
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On November 21 2019 19:39 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2019 19:37 sneakyfox wrote:On November 21 2019 19:34 BerserkSword wrote:On November 21 2019 19:32 sudete wrote:
Cure looking sharp so far! this patch is ridiculous lol even artosis and rotti straight up saying what needs to be said Maybe let's take it easy with the snap judgements and remember that Cure got away with super greedy 3rd base while Trap managed no economic damage to speak of. Cure was rich like TaKe up in dat game No, I think it's pretty safe to say this after we've seen a whole game.
Two whole games, thank you very much. I mean, how could you possibly expect Protoss to suffer three games of this!?
I hereby demand the Blizzard devs wake up at 3:00 AM and fix this within the next five minutes. Protoss needs buffs against Terran. The evidence is obviously overwhelming and the conclusion is utterly undeniable.
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On November 21 2019 15:00 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2019 08:24 FBTsingLoong wrote:Well,is the Tropical Island really a tropical island,or just a hotel called Tropical Island? It s a Big glass dome, in there is Kind of a Tropical resort. So it s like an Island of tropical climate within the cold german Country. https://images.app.goo.gl/DFXic1bVVUpFaxq79
it was built as an airship factory to built zeppelins which makes it a lot more cool imho
this HSC is gonna be so hype. Imagine Mike Morhaime casting a game on the couch holy shit. super blessed
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On November 21 2019 19:34 BerserkSword wrote:this patch is ridiculous lol even artosis and rotti straight up saying what needs to be said
Terran always looks better at the beginning of a patch cause it's the race that doesn't have to think a whole lot about how it wants to play
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lol great sub-description for HuK there
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Ouch, Solar saying Inno's been practicing. Prepare to get reckt nerds
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Germany3367 Posts
Serral/SpeCial banter is fantastic. :D
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On November 21 2019 20:20 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Serral/SpeCial banter is fantastic. :D
Yeah, it's kinda like a live political debate, only it's fun instead of sucking
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Winter and Lowko providing a bit of space between Serral and Special so they don't end up fighting
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Germany3367 Posts
On November 21 2019 20:33 sudete wrote:
Winter and Lowko providing a bit of space between Serral and Special so they don't end up fighting
I feel like Winter is always egging them on, trying to get them to banter some more (which is great! ). :D
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Just a couple of matches in and this is already amazing
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On November 21 2019 20:44 sudete wrote:
Just a couple of matches in and this is already amazing
Naturally, its HSC.
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Is this that new HSC theme song?
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Germany3367 Posts
On November 21 2019 20:51 sneakyfox wrote:
Is this that new HSC theme song?
I think it was, yes.
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lol PartinG is really sympathizing with those poor units on the ground suffering terrible damage
e: it's the SoulCast
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TIME is off to a rough start. Feeling bad for him already.
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Cure on track for 1st in his group
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PartinG is like the only one in that couch who thinks his own race is good
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On November 21 2019 21:36 sneakyfox wrote:
PartinG is like the only one in that couch who thinks his own race is good
He's gonna wreck his group hopefullly.
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On November 21 2019 21:36 sneakyfox wrote:
PartinG is like the only one in that couch who thinks his own race is good
The chad big boy vs the virgin foreign casters
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No idea how trap had so many disruptors and still didnt get any good hit.
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TIME vs Trap was a fun series tbh.
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TLO 2-0'd solar EU ZvZ still best 
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TIME probably not used to not SCV-pulling in TvP every game
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This couch is amazing. PartinG speaking Korean to Hajinsun so that she can translate for Trap :D
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On November 21 2019 21:52 sneakyfox wrote:
This couch is amazing. PartinG speaking Korean to Hajinsun so that she can translate for Trap :D
Yeah that was so funny. =)
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Fuckin Mike is there? God I wish i didn't have school lmao. At least i can watch this weekend
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Marinelord and Special about to cast Time's game on ogamingtv for those interested
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very few 1-1s so far, huh? can't watch at work but from checking the Liquipedia, there's only been 2 series that didn't end in a 2-0 (Taeja-Time and Solar-Elazer). didn'T really expect that tbh.
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TIME's aggression has cost him more than a couple of games so far
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a solid generic terran LUL
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On November 21 2019 22:47 Topin wrote:
a solid generic terran LUL
who wants to show good games to fan
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that looked like the snes super mario kart intro
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TaeJa trying to play like Maru
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Solar and barbecuing drones, name a more iconic duo
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Interview? Isn't it 1-1 right now?
Nvm best of 2..
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On November 21 2019 23:17 geokilla wrote:
Interview? Isn't it 1-1 right now?
it's bo2 tho
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Germany3367 Posts
On November 21 2019 23:17 geokilla wrote:
Interview? Isn't it 1-1 right now?
It's a Bo2 format, so series can end at 1-1.
Edit: TaeJa, damn. Impressive game.
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Damn TaeJa, looks like he is going to advance
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Northern Ireland24158 Posts
Taeja’s looking better than when I last saw him play, cool to see.
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Great reads from taeja that game. Seemed to know exactly when he could advance and win fights. Not the easiest thing to do with tank lines.
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4 koreans gonna come out of this group.
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So where has Taeja been doing this whole year? Skipping all the other events to prepare solely for HSC?
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On November 21 2019 23:57 royalroadweed wrote:
4 koreans gonna come out of this group.
Not sure, Elazer is good.
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Sup guys, finally I can watch too, what did I miss so far?
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On November 21 2019 23:58 yht9657 wrote:
So where has Taeja been doing this whole year? Skipping all the other events to prepare solely for HSC?
He tried to qualify for GSL etc. but always fell short.
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That casting couch looks...uncomfortable.
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So... are there any english streams right now?
edit: o mb, the taketv stream is english lol
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On November 22 2019 00:03 TheOneAboveU wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2019 23:58 yht9657 wrote:
So where has Taeja been doing this whole year? Skipping all the other events to prepare solely for HSC? He tried to qualify for GSL etc. but always fell short.
Shame, he always looks on point at HSCs.
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Germany3367 Posts
On November 22 2019 00:04 travis wrote:
So... are there any english streams right now?
Here: https://www.twitch.tv/TakeTV
Edit: Oh I see why you are confused. That German flag in the sidebar. :D
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Please please please clip all the hilarious moments!!!
Damn you work! Should have gotten a yellow holiday slip for this if you know what I mean
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On November 22 2019 00:02 Musicus wrote:
Sup guys, finally I can watch too, what did I miss so far?
General awesomeness
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On November 22 2019 00:09 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 00:02 Musicus wrote:
Sup guys, finally I can watch too, what did I miss so far? General awesomeness
Guess I need to watch the vods as well.
Edit: wtf Serral and Special casted together
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ToD's sleeves are fucking amazing. I want!!!!!
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Germany3367 Posts
On November 22 2019 00:15 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 00:09 sneakyfox wrote:On November 22 2019 00:02 Musicus wrote:
Sup guys, finally I can watch too, what did I miss so far? General awesomeness Guess I need to watch the vods as well. Edit: wtf Serral and Special casted together
And it was glorious!
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On November 22 2019 00:15 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 00:09 sneakyfox wrote:On November 22 2019 00:02 Musicus wrote:
Sup guys, finally I can watch too, what did I miss so far? General awesomeness Guess I need to watch the vods as well. Edit: wtf Serral and Special casted together
Yeah that was hillarious. PartinG in the couch was also great.
Games have been good too, more or less.
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On November 22 2019 00:19 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 00:15 Musicus wrote:On November 22 2019 00:09 sneakyfox wrote:On November 22 2019 00:02 Musicus wrote:
Sup guys, finally I can watch too, what did I miss so far? General awesomeness Guess I need to watch the vods as well. Edit: wtf Serral and Special casted together Yeah that was hillarious. PartinG in the couch was also great. Games have been good too, more or less.
On average, they were better than what we've seen recently.
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Taeja vs Elazer not played yet? Should be the decider who advances right?
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Germany3367 Posts
On November 22 2019 00:50 Harris1st wrote:
Taeja vs Elazer not played yet? Should be the decider who advances right?
I think some stuff is missing from LP. Elazer tweeted he's out already.
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On November 22 2019 00:15 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 00:09 sneakyfox wrote:On November 22 2019 00:02 Musicus wrote:
Sup guys, finally I can watch too, what did I miss so far? General awesomeness Guess I need to watch the vods as well. Edit: wtf Serral and Special casted together
do you guys know what time on the stream that was?
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Then he must have lost against TaeJa. TLO might be in if he beats Cure and Trap tho(veeery unlikely)!
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Why all the "hate" on Mlord? What did I miss?
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Okay, this is gonna be good, so hyped!
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Robotic voices just as inno makes his first appearance? No coincidence there
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There were Lambot, AndroidLord and...Serral.
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On November 22 2019 01:01 Harris1st wrote:
Why all the "hate" on Mlord? What did I miss?
Just some progamer meme that has gone on for quite a while.
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On November 22 2019 00:51 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 00:15 Musicus wrote:On November 22 2019 00:09 sneakyfox wrote:On November 22 2019 00:02 Musicus wrote:
Sup guys, finally I can watch too, what did I miss so far? General awesomeness Guess I need to watch the vods as well. Edit: wtf Serral and Special casted together do you guys know what time on the stream that was?
it was time vs solar, the second series of the day on the main stream
mustve been like an hour in (since they started with intros and whatnot)
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Inno :D
Edit: Serral has a future in casting
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SO who made it out of Group A? F5 LP isn't showing.
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On November 22 2019 01:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
SO who made it out of Group A? F5 LP isn't showing.
This!
The suspense is killing me
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On November 22 2019 01:24 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 01:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
SO who made it out of Group A? F5 LP isn't showing. This! The suspense is killing me
In order, Cure, Trap, TaeJa and Solar advanced.
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On November 22 2019 01:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
SO who made it out of Group A? F5 LP isn't showing.
from first to last
cure, trap, taeja, solar
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Summer Winter of Taeja confirmed!
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Pretty impressive that TaeJa advanced, was not ekpecting him to do so well. He only lost to Trap.
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On November 22 2019 01:28 Harris1st wrote:
Summer Winter of Taeja confirmed!
It's always summer on the tropical island! 
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On November 22 2019 01:31 TheOneAboveU wrote:It's always summer on the tropical island!
So that's why they needed that venuee. The Teamliquid-TaKe plot starts to unravel.
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damn there was like 1-2 min of engagement where reynor was consistently at 1k apm
beast
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On November 22 2019 01:31 TheOneAboveU wrote:It's always summer on the tropical island!
Summer Winter Summer of Taeja confirmed!
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Inno's reaction time today is unusually long, even by gsl ro32 standards
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so on this version you can't cancel creep tumors right?
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Germany3367 Posts
On November 22 2019 01:41 sudete wrote:
Inno's reaction time today is unusually long, even by gsl ro32 standards
The humidity of the location is clearly affecting his servos.
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On November 22 2019 01:43 Musicus wrote:
so on this version you can't cancel creep tumors right?
Yeah and as we can see zerg's creep spread is barely a thing anymore, damn.
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innovation with the no rally point and random medivac
LOL
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What is the point to have so many streams when all of them cast the same match while some matches are not casted at all?
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Germany3367 Posts
On November 22 2019 01:50 TheWildShooter wrote:
What is the point to have so many streams when all of them cast the same match while some matches are not casted at all?
Providing stream for people in different languages? Because, you know, not everyone understands English or prefers to watch their StarCraft that way?
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wtf did special just ask if lurkers outrange planetary fortress....
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On November 22 2019 01:35 BerserkSword wrote:
damn there was like 1-2 min of engagement where reynor was consistently at 1k apm
beast
it's called rapid-fire and szzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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On November 22 2019 01:50 TheWildShooter wrote:
What is the point to have so many streams when all of them cast the same match while some matches are not casted at all? Ye this format is not very viewer friendly. You miss games even if you watch main and b-stream at the same time.
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How warm is it on that island anyway?
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What games have been good so far?
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Hey, there's a bug of balance test mod: if a battlecruiser uses Shift to queue several commands which includes Tactical Jump, it is immune to abduct and interference matrix as it was using TJ at that time.
Also, mothership's time warp does not decrease beam-type weapon's attack speed, such as void ray, oracle, sentry and enemy mothership.
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On November 22 2019 02:20 pzlama333 wrote:
Hey, there's a bug of balance test mod: if a battlecruiser uses Shift to queue several commands which includes Tactical Jump, it is immune to abduct and interference matrix as it was using TJ at that time.
Also, mothership's time warp does not decrease beam-type weapon's attack speed, such as void ray, oracle, sentry and enemy mothership.
not sure if this is the correct place for this lol
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PartinG speaking is just the gift that keeps giving lol
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this is amazing lol, and so disgusting
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On November 22 2019 02:36 starkiller123 wrote:
this is amazing lol, and so disgusting
Parting in a nutshell
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I think I threw up a little.
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New patch, same old Parting
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alphastar would have won this game btw
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what a legend, so glad that he is a starcraft fan
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Germany3367 Posts
On November 22 2019 03:08 Musicus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +https://twitter.com/tobi/status/1197575504913559552 what a legend, so glad that he is a starcraft fan
Well, holy shit. :D
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Holy shit, this is so cool. Absolute greatness of Starcraft confirmed.
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damn, almost signed up on twitter to like that.
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On November 22 2019 03:20 sneakyfox wrote:Holy shit, this is so cool. Absolute greatness of Starcraft confirmed.
form is temporary, class is eternal
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WOW, prizepool doubled thanks to some Tobi guy. Awesome. Like seriously awesome. From 25k to 50k. O.o
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This BO2 think its so bizarre xD. Toby my friend nice =) havent spoke since BW with him
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On November 22 2019 03:52 HolydaKing wrote:
WOW, prizepool doubled thanks to some Tobi guy. Awesome. Like seriously awesome. From 25k to 50k. O.o
Pretty awesome! Hopefully they give more money to the people not in the top 3.
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Yeah. Nice surprise with prizepool
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Oh god HSC is so hilarious. That USA contest with Artosis and Rotti.. :D
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American losing state contest to European that gotta sting.
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When Take said "Rotti already did it" I thought he lost and had to buy orange juice already. So I was really suprised, gj Dennis lol
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Were Reynor-Harstem games on some stream?
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Ocelote is a legend. Like one of the most important players of all games. Like more important then any sc player
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On November 22 2019 04:13 TheAnarchy wrote:Ocelote is a legend. Like one of the most important players of all games. Like more important then any sc player
never heard of him
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On November 22 2019 04:13 TheAnarchy wrote:Ocelote is a legend. Like one of the most important players of all games. Like more important then any sc player
I know who he is and what he did was an opportunistic dick move.
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On November 22 2019 04:13 TheAnarchy wrote:Ocelote is a legend. Like one of the most important players of all games. Like more important then any sc player
What? I hope You are being sarcastic.
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Parting performing even better than I thought
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I would have said Mana is silently on his way to winning the group but he did go 0-2 vs Denver.
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On November 22 2019 04:45 Elentos wrote:
I would have said Mana is silently on his way to winning the group but he did go 0-2 vs Denver.
how did he tie Reynor, damn he is going strong
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Btw do we know why Take is rich?
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On November 22 2019 04:48 Schelim wrote:
Btw do we know why Take is rich?
I know! These apartments are getting out of hand!
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On November 22 2019 04:48 Schelim wrote:
Btw do we know why Take is rich?
Sadly, afaik, he is not.
Edit: Or was that a joke about Tropical Islands being his home, I am slow sorry
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I thought they got Special to fill in for TY as a player but he's casting just as much.
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On November 22 2019 04:54 Elentos wrote:
I thought they got Special to fill in for TY as a player but he's casting just as much.
Seriously, new main caster for HSC it seems. I like it.
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On November 22 2019 04:54 Elentos wrote:
I thought they got Special to fill in for TY as a player but he's casting just as much.
SpeCial finally realizing how much fun this tournament is after years of not going there. He's so fitting for this format.
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On November 22 2019 04:50 Musicus wrote:Sadly, afaik, he is not. Edit: Or was that a joke about Tropical Islands being his home, I am slow sorry
It mostly was, but they did fly out a lot of players right?
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I guess when you get a global data service sponsoring you, you can afford to spend a little?
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On November 22 2019 04:57 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 04:50 Musicus wrote:On November 22 2019 04:48 Schelim wrote:
Btw do we know why Take is rich? Sadly, afaik, he is not. Edit: Or was that a joke about Tropical Islands being his home, I am slow sorry It mostly was, but they did fly out a lot of players right?
Yes, all the Koreans and Special I think. Well there was a big donation train from the community, even Special's flight (1,6k) got covered by the community during a small 2h stream NarutO did yesterday.
Obviously there are probably operating at a loss, but Take sees it as his flagship advertisement tool as well.
Edit: Then the sponsors, but I don't have numbers there. Some just support them in general over the year, no extra money for HSC
While we are on topic, everybody get your ingame sc2 HSC stuff and support the event on https://matcherino.com/t/hscxx
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PartinG's goddamn fight management man. Microing forward the almost dead archon to get friendly fire from a widow mine? How you have spare APM for that shit
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On November 22 2019 04:59 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I guess when you get a global data service sponsoring you, you can afford to spend a little?
Thats a good point. I find these ads funny cause theyre a potential employer for me. I love my current job but if i didnt id consider applying. Guess they know their audience
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yeah that 1-1 bio will just fall over now
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France12761 Posts
I couldn't watch many games, how is the new patch looking so far?
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On November 22 2019 05:29 Poopi wrote:
I couldn't watch many games, how is the new patch looking so far?
Lots of entertaining PvT games tbh, some games of Cure made T look imba (Cure vs Trap especially) but only he really managed to do so imo. Late game zealot harass is very tough for T from what it seems.
Other than that, not sure if there's much to say yet since from what it feels like most of the games broadcasted so far were TvP and TvT. But maybe that's just my feeling.
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On November 22 2019 05:32 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 05:29 Poopi wrote:
I couldn't watch many games, how is the new patch looking so far? Lots of entertaining PvT games tbh, some games of Cure made T look imba (Cure vs Trap especially) but only he really managed to do so imo. Late game zealot harass is very tough for T from what it seems. Other than that, not sure if there's much to say yet since from what it feels like most of the games broadcasted so far were TvP and TvT. But maybe that's just my feeling.
Reynor played some interesting Lurker-centric ZvT against Inno, was fun :o
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Lurkers in ZvT looks cool, let's see if it becomes a thing
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On November 22 2019 05:36 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 05:32 HolydaKing wrote:On November 22 2019 05:29 Poopi wrote:
I couldn't watch many games, how is the new patch looking so far? Lots of entertaining PvT games tbh, some games of Cure made T look imba (Cure vs Trap especially) but only he really managed to do so imo. Late game zealot harass is very tough for T from what it seems. Other than that, not sure if there's much to say yet since from what it feels like most of the games broadcasted so far were TvP and TvT. But maybe that's just my feeling. Reynor played some interesting Lurker-centric ZvT against Inno, was fun :o
That's right, very cool games.
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France12761 Posts
Were they buffed?
It seems like the recent patch notes don't contain all patch notes but just the changes relative to the previous patch note, so it's quite confusing to get the whole list of changes
Hopefully INno has a nice HSC
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On November 22 2019 05:37 Poopi wrote:
Were they buffed?
It seems like the recent patch notes don't contain all patch notes but just the changes relative to the previous patch note, so it's quite confusing to get the whole list of changes
Hopefully INno has a nice HSC
the standard range was nerfed to 8 from 9, but they have a hive tech +2 range upgrade now
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On November 22 2019 05:39 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 05:37 Poopi wrote:
Were they buffed?
It seems like the recent patch notes don't contain all patch notes but just the changes relative to the previous patch note, so it's quite confusing to get the whole list of changes
Hopefully INno has a nice HSC the standard range was nerfed to 8 from 9, but they have a hive tech +2 range upgrade now
And with 10 range they will equal that of ghost snipe, that's going to be interesting to watch.
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On November 22 2019 05:42 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 05:39 Musicus wrote:On November 22 2019 05:37 Poopi wrote:
Were they buffed?
It seems like the recent patch notes don't contain all patch notes but just the changes relative to the previous patch note, so it's quite confusing to get the whole list of changes
Hopefully INno has a nice HSC the standard range was nerfed to 8 from 9, but they have a hive tech +2 range upgrade now And with 10 range they will equal that of ghost snipe, that's going to be interesting to watch.
also the tech building and upgrades are muuuuch faster to build
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France12761 Posts
Microing one stalker hardcore while moving three tempests into the terran
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Tbf Reynor and Dark were sometimes going lurkers against terran prepatch.
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On November 22 2019 06:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Tbf Reynor and Dark were sometimes going lurkers against terran prepatch.
People were always trying, it just never stuck because of tanks and libs and the mobility of bio.
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Oh yes also I have no idea why Harstem would not veto this map. It's the Terran map. It's the dropping map. Inno's style in every match-up atm is mass drop.
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That was the saddest archon I have ever seen.
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anyone has a link to the vod of reynor vs innovation?
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On November 22 2019 06:09 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2019 06:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Tbf Reynor and Dark were sometimes going lurkers against terran prepatch. People were always trying, it just never stuck because of tanks and libs and the mobility of bio.
I recall it being somewhat common when battle mech was more prevalent.
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How is MaNa playing out of his mind, and none of the games have been on the main stream??
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The only think I’m not super ridiculously happy about this HSC is I feel like the B/language streams mainly have the same games as the main stream. A lot of matches I would have liked to watch aren’t being shown at all
And other than that I’m so happy it’s that time of year again!!!
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Thank you! Interesting games for sure
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Thors are big units, naturally Big Gabe would do well with them.
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As expected, broodlords have became useless.
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Big Gabe is already out of the group. The foreign terran hope is actually the Big Juan.
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Libe/thor has no counter as expected.
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No Rotti, Reynor is tied with Parting in both map score and h2h. There will need to be a tiebreaker.
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He kills all the queens and then does nothing with his 4 banshees?
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On November 22 2019 07:38 DBooN wrote:
He kills all the queens and then does nothing with his 4 banshees?
He was repairing them.
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What's the situation with Reynor and Parting? Bo1 tiebreaker?
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On November 22 2019 07:43 Harris1st wrote:
What's the siuation with Reynor and parting? Bo1 tiebreaker?
Yes
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On November 22 2019 07:31 Xamo wrote:
Ling bane corruptor?
If you're going thor/libe, gettinf a few hellbats is easy especially vs this comp.
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So apparently Denver and Harstem have a tiebreaker too. Don't understand why but I guess more starcraft
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On November 22 2019 07:26 royalroadweed wrote:
Big Gabe is already out of the group. The foreign terran hope is actually the Big Juan.
The child prodigy Clem is the foreign Terran hope, there has never been never anyone as strong as he is at the age of 7.
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On November 22 2019 07:28 stilt wrote:
Libe/thor has no counter as expected.
Obviously it's early days, but I would guess that spells are super important. Blinding cloud seriously screws with Thors, and microbial shroud can mitigate Liberators. If both spells land, Zerg can just charge in with Corruptors/Lurkers and go to town. Thors are awful at retreating and Abduct/Neural can also work wonders.
Honestly I expect Thor/Lib to fade out as Zergs figure out how to counter with lots of spells. It's Ghost/Lib that should really worry Zergs, since snipe can't be blinded and EMP against Infestor/Viper doesn't need explaining.
In any case, Zerg lategame is definitely going to be harder than spamming ITs, which I think everyone can agree is a good thing.
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Awesome first day. Sad that last game didn't work out at all for PartinG.... :D
Didn't realize Mike Morhaime is also there. O.o
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Summary of day 1 video rolls, I have a tear in my eye.
Tear of laughter and the feeling of how much passionate this community is. Tear of joy.
HomeStory Cup is the best.
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On November 22 2019 07:53 pvsnp wrote:Obviously it's early days, but I would guess that spells are super important. Blinding cloud seriously screws with Thors, and microbial shroud can mitigate Liberators. If both spells land, Zerg can just charge in with Corruptors/Lurkers and go to town. Thors are awful at retreating and Abduct/Neural can also work wonders. Honestly I expect Thor/Lib to fade out as Zergs figure out how to counter with lots of spells. It's Ghost/Lib that should really worry Zergs, since snipe can't be blinded and EMP against Infestor/Viper doesn't need explaining. In any case, Zerg lategame is definitely going to be harder than spamming ITs, which I think everyone can agree is a good thing.
Hopefully the result of what you describe is that the zerg strategy will only work in bursts. So the zerg burns the mana on spells and can only defeat the terran comp while the spells are active, i.e. swarming in. Thus we avoid the dreaded stalemates that blord/fester/spore produced.
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I miss the big guy ;( He was in a core of this tournament also, and even though I enjoy the tourney as always, watching hsc makes me a bid sad in the end of broadcast
On the other side this edition looks awesome! I like such BO2 groupstage round-robin, means any point matters on greater scale. Very competitive! Casters also has great synergy with players during games I expect Mr.Bitter & Rotti to cast some important games also! Ohana 
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sick day 1, homestory cup is just the best
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On November 22 2019 07:28 stilt wrote:
Libe/thor has no counter as expected.
Mass thor can always be countered by going full NESTEAAAAAAAA
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Nice, Cure topping his group. Sad for TIME and HM though.
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On November 22 2019 09:10 DieuCure wrote:
Nice, Cure topping his group. Sad for TIME and HM though.
Unfortunatly I wasn t able to see that many games, but what I ve seen from Time was just not on the same Level we used to see from him.
When I think of the insane Bio splits, he did vs Serral at Asus Rog, he just played bad yesterday.
I ve just seen Big Gabes games vs Parting, where I can t remember any Big blounders arm, appart from that Moment in Game1, where he let the Adept in his Main and was complete out of Position for the follow up pressur. It defnatly cost him a lot, but can t judge, if that was allready game deciding
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Hi, is there any way we can get information regarding the matches that were played off stream? No idea who wins either the first or second map when the result is tied at 1-1 like Harstem vs Denver for example.
Much appreciated!
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On November 22 2019 15:50 happypack wrote:
Hi, is there any way we can get information regarding the matches that were played off stream?
If nothing else, wait for the replay pack and we'll know.
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