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On November 02 2019 19:50 loppy2345 wrote:
I think this is the most imbalanced SC2 has ever been, even including the end of the WoL era. Unforunately for Dark, I don't think this win is going to give him any extra credibility.
Uh... http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/
Yeah, so the balance isn't good (45% for Protoss versus Zerg), but it isn't as bad as the beginning of WOL (ZvT), HOTS (PvT), LOTV (PvZ) and Jan 2017 (PvT again).
Overall, Protoss has consistently recieved the short end of the stick in terms of balance. From August 2016 to November 2018, Protoss was below 50% versus Zerg for instance. PvT is slightly better for Protoss, but only because of the past year.
At this point, the problem is ingrained. When Protoss is performing at 55%, the game feels imbalanced to everyone playing it. Terran and Zerg players lose to players they've never lost to, and Protoss players are jumping up the ladder. It shakes everyone, everyone complains, and Blizzard beats Protoss back soon after.
It just doesn't feel right when Protoss players are above 50% as a whole to everyone, because it has never been the norm.
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On November 03 2019 00:38 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 19:50 loppy2345 wrote:
I think this is the most imbalanced SC2 has ever been, even including the end of the WoL era. Unforunately for Dark, I don't think this win is going to give him any extra credibility. Uh... http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/Yeah, so the balance isn't good (45% for Protoss versus Zerg), but it isn't as bad as the beginning of WOL (ZvT), HOTS (PvT), LOTV (PvZ) and Jan 2017 (PvT again). Overall, Protoss has consistently recieved the short end of the stick in terms of balance. From August 2016 to November 2018, Protoss was below 50% versus Zerg for instance. PvT is slightly better for Protoss, but only because of the past year. At this point, the problem is ingrained. When Protoss is performing at 55%, the game feels imbalanced to everyone playing it. Terran and Zerg players lose to players they've never lost to, and Protoss players are jumping up the ladder. It shakes everyone, everyone complains, and Blizzard beats Protoss back soon after. It just doesn't feel right when Protoss players are above 50% as a whole to everyone, because it has never been the norm.
Or might it be that despite being constantly nerfed Protoss players in general never whine. On the other side you have Terran who lose their S when one little thing doesn’t go their way.... (see SpeCial, Maru, etc.) Of the three races Toss have had to “adapt” to the most changes, a lot of them nerfs.
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On November 03 2019 00:51 StarcraftSquall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2019 00:38 BronzeKnee wrote:On November 02 2019 19:50 loppy2345 wrote:
I think this is the most imbalanced SC2 has ever been, even including the end of the WoL era. Unforunately for Dark, I don't think this win is going to give him any extra credibility. Uh... http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/Yeah, so the balance isn't good (45% for Protoss versus Zerg), but it isn't as bad as the beginning of WOL (ZvT), HOTS (PvT), LOTV (PvZ) and Jan 2017 (PvT again). Overall, Protoss has consistently recieved the short end of the stick in terms of balance. From August 2016 to November 2018, Protoss was below 50% versus Zerg for instance. PvT is slightly better for Protoss, but only because of the past year. At this point, the problem is ingrained. When Protoss is performing at 55%, the game feels imbalanced to everyone playing it. Terran and Zerg players lose to players they've never lost to, and Protoss players are jumping up the ladder. It shakes everyone, everyone complains, and Blizzard beats Protoss back soon after. It just doesn't feel right when Protoss players are above 50% as a whole to everyone, because it has never been the norm. Or might it be that despite being constantly nerfed Protoss players in general never whine. On the other side you have Terran who lose their S when one little thing doesn’t go their way.... (see SpeCial, Maru, etc.) Of the three races Toss have had to “adapt” to the most changes, a lot of them nerfs.
Someone doesn't remember the sad zealot fanclub.
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Congratulations Dark! You are the best Zerg user in the world!
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On November 02 2019 20:30 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 18:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On November 02 2019 16:21 Ej_ wrote:
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IS THIS THE MOST DOMINANT BLIZZCON OF ALL TIME
IS DARK THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD Has been all year. Dark's shape is impressive right now, I'm still dubious I'd pick him over Serral as the strongest/the best; it's a legit question since he won BlizzCon, in any of case. He definitely hasn't been the best player in the world the whole year.
Now the Circuit is over, he’s had the best year overall but I’d have had Serral ahead of him at quite a few points this year as best Zerg/best overall player.
Still, neither are too shabby.
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Can we talk about how this redirects to this thread and not to a news thread? smh TL writers, are they actually mad at a korean winning and that's why they're not making the news? 
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On November 03 2019 01:48 Durnuu wrote:Can we talk about how this redirects to this thread and not to a news thread? smh TL writers, are they actually mad at a korean winning and that's why they're not making the news?
I'm actually just too busy spamming our Discord with happy Dark faces, soooooooo... 
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On November 02 2019 23:50 Justinian wrote:
Can anyone explain to me why Reynor refused to wall off the corners of his mineral lines at his third and fourth with an evo chamber or two on Disco Bloodbath against both Serral and Dark? There was an unending tide of baneling runbys coming in, over and over again, and he was losing 10-20 drones each time. It's so cheap to make an extra evo or two. Am I missing something - is it not effective for some reason? I know a few banes might still get through, but surely it would have helped. They needn't be in an exposed position and he had spores and queens in range, so they wouldn't have died to the mutas.
Experience.
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On November 02 2019 21:18 sneakyfox wrote:
One of the greatest
Damn shame his career ended the way it did, but man if classic v rogue wasnt the highlight of blizzcon
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all this "serral wouldve beaten dark" talk is so cringe honestly.
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On November 02 2019 21:26 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 21:22 Pandemona wrote:
Gz Dark! Big win i think, would like to see him play Serral in a bo5 ZvZ now to see if he really is the best in that matchup after beating Reynor who beat Serral etc. Impressed he beat Reynor so comfortably as well. Hm, I guess defeating Rogue should be a good start, beating Reynor looks like the exception! He is on fire, but I am not sold on his ZvZ specifically.
He just completely DESTROYED raynor lol. Play hard to get all you want.
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On November 03 2019 00:00 JoeCool wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2019 20:52 sneakyfox wrote:
Pretty crazy that Smix said that WCS is returning in 2020. Will be very interesting to see in what form. And is it really true?! Really? Unfortunately I fell asleep at around ~2.00 AM so I didn't catch anything that happened after that time. I'd be happy if we have another year of SC II.
Here is the clip with Smix saying it:
Now for months of waiting before we see what the WCS will actually be
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So we now have not one, but two EU Zergs that can stand up to the Koreans, is that enough? If so, we could, you know, ask Blizzard a little bit louder to end the region lock and the purposeful Zerg dominance and get back to actual competition.
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Wait, Elazer beat Dark, who beat Reynor, who beat Serral, who beat Elazer. HOW DO I KNOW WHO IS BEST.
Sad I had to sleep when Ro4 was going on, and really sad I missed the last games of Classic's career. Gratz Dark!
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On November 03 2019 01:48 Durnuu wrote:Can we talk about how this redirects to this thread and not to a news thread? smh TL writers, are they actually mad at a korean winning and that's why they're not making the news?
If I recall, Wax is a big fan of Dark so he might’ve spent last night partying - late - show ended about 11:00 PM PDT. 😃
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On November 03 2019 02:36 Obamarauder wrote:
all this "serral wouldve beaten dark" talk is so cringe honestly.
So cringe, so cringe, you are right. How cringe were all the "Maru would have nomatched Serral" last year, instead?
Also, I see all these experts sure that Dark would have beaten Serral for sure, isn't that cringe?
Dark 4-1 Reynor is in contrast with Dark's results in ZvZ in the last 15 months; he dominated this time and totally deserved to win but I think we need many more examples to both say that koreans have solved EU ZvZ and that Dark is at ease in the matchup at the highest level.
Dark built his victory on always being one step ahead of Reynor, whose builds were always at disadvantage(evening out G3 with G5); he did not win "standard" lategame ZvZ that's where Europeans usually gain the upper hand.
Serral's superior scouting and capability of adapting on the fly make me think he would have fared way better than Reynor against Dark, but he decided to threw horrendously so that we'll never know.
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I tracked everyone’s point total results from the year for WCS GSL WESG and HSC and this is the final
Top 25 in points earned:
1. Dark 19200
2. Serral 19150
3. Reynor 12940
4. Classic 10775
5. Trap 10540
6. Maru 10125
7. soO 9350
8. Stats 7900
9. Rogue 7800
10. Neeb 7725
11. SpeCial 7075
12. INnoVation 6250
13. Elazer 5990
14. TY 5875
15. herO 5850
16. HeRoMaRinE 5235
17. TIME 5170
18. Zest 4375
19. ShoWTimE 4335
20. Solar 3905
21. Dear 3825
22. Scarlett 3530
23. GuMiho 3350
24. RagnaroK 3150
25. Hurricane 2925
Also giving out awards:
Most Improved Player: TIME
Best Terran: Maru
Best Zerg: Dark
Best Protoss: Classic
Most Improved Terran: TIME
Most Improved Zerg: Reynor
Most Improved Protoss: Trap
Best Map of the Year: King’s Cove
(TvZ 104-114, ZvP 127-118, PvT 69-78)
Best Format Change:
WCS Global Finals Ro16 switching to Bo5 and being played at GSL
Best Moment: soO winning IEM
Worst Moment: RIP iNcontroL
Best Matchup of the Year: ZvZ (sorry, guys)
Best Game of the Year: Serral vs soO IEM Katowice G3 on Year Zero
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On November 03 2019 03:01 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2019 02:36 Obamarauder wrote:
all this "serral wouldve beaten dark" talk is so cringe honestly. So cringe, so cringe, you are right. How cringe were all the "Maru would have nomatched Serral" last year, instead? Also, I see all these experts sure that Dark would have beaten Serral for sure, isn't that cringe? Dark 4-1 Reynor is in contrast with Dark's results in ZvZ in the last 15 months; he dominated this time and totally deserved to win but I think we need many more examples to both say that koreans have solved EU ZvZ and that Dark is at ease in the matchup. Dark built his victory on always being one step ahead of Reynor, who was outmatched strategically way more than mechanically.
Both "serral wouldve beaten dark" and "maru wouldve beaten serral" are cringe lol.
What we do know is that dark looked better than serral overall and against the same opponent. Reynor was blown out of the water both strategically and mechanically.
Dark was playing like a GOD. He had Maru dancing on the palm of his hand and fended off beast mode Classic (i think any other zerg in the world loses to classic playing like that)
He made the prodigy reynor, who had just toppled serral and is the prince of european zvz, look like a nobody. Literally drone rush in blizzcon finals. that's how "at ease" he is with the matchup
sweep maru without breaking a sweat, sweep classic without breaking a sweat. completely style on the prince of the vaunted european ZvZ
unbelievable
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On November 03 2019 03:25 StarcraftSquall wrote:
I tracked everyone’s point total results from the year for WCS GSL WESG and HSC and this is the final
Top 25 in points earned:
1. Dark 19200
2. Serral 19150
3. Reynor 12940
4. Classic 10775
5. Trap 10540
6. Maru 10125
7. soO 9350
8. Stats 7900
9. Rogue 7800
10. Neeb 7725
11. SpeCial 7075
12. INnoVation 6250
13. Elazer 5990
14. TY 5875
15. herO 5850
16. HeRoMaRinE 5235
17. TIME 5170
18. Zest 4375
19. ShoWTimE 4335
20. Solar 3905
21. Dear 3825
22. Scarlett 3530
23. GuMiho 3350
24. RagnaroK 3150
25. Hurricane 2925
Also giving out awards:
Most Improved Player: TIME
Best Terran: Maru
Best Zerg: Dark
Best Protoss: Classic
Most Improved Terran: TIME
Most Improved Zerg: Reynor
Most Improved Protoss: Trap
Best Map of the Year: King’s Cove
(TvZ 104-114, ZvP 127-118, PvT 69-78)
Best Format Change:
WCS Global Finals Ro16 switching to Bo5 and being played at GSL
Best Moment: soO winning IEM
Worst Moment: RIP iNcontroL
Best Matchup of the Year: ZvZ (sorry, guys)
Best Game of the Year: Serral vs soO IEM Katowice G3 on Year Zero
I 100% agree with best moment of the year, soO finally winning was amazing
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