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On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft.
Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other 
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Hell yeah!
Now we need only Maru, Rogue, Serral, and Stats to Ro4 of Blizzcon to prove our dream scenarios.
ZvZ Finals will be still likely, if there are any 'bracket luck'. 
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On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other
Yep. Seriously! They try fix everything to make Maru vs Serral to happen (in all those RARE occasions it is possible), but the less-humble-one seems to fail in fulfilling his part of the deeds everytime.
Some sponsor should just pay BO7 (in Korea, otherwise Marus's arse won't move): 15000 Euros to Winner and 5000 Euros to loser + Finnair's economy class ticket Helsinki-Seoul to Serral (or something like that) to make it happen.
Its already the ultimate joke they cannot arrange that match, no matter what!
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On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other
Right. Because Maru always loses early
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On August 19 2019 03:23 kaykoose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Right. Because Maru always loses early
yeah fucking loser, never wins anything
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On August 19 2019 03:31 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 03:23 kaykoose wrote:On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Right. Because Maru always loses early yeah fucking loser, never wins anything
No, no, no! There are no SC2 fan who disrespects Maru.
Its only the plain fact he has been unable to make it enough deep to actually meet Serral in any relevant tournament.
How to make it happen is the point of discussion. We ALL would want to see that match, do we not?
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On August 19 2019 03:35 UnLarva wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 03:31 Argonauta wrote:On August 19 2019 03:23 kaykoose wrote:On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Right. Because Maru always loses early yeah fucking loser, never wins anything No, no, no! There are no SC2 fan who disrespects Maru. Its only the plain fact he has been unable to make it enough deep to actually meet Serral in any relevant tournament. How to make it happen is the point of discussion. We ALL would want to see that match, do we not?
It happened. WESG 2018.
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On August 19 2019 03:46 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 03:35 UnLarva wrote:On August 19 2019 03:31 Argonauta wrote:On August 19 2019 03:23 kaykoose wrote:On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Right. Because Maru always loses early yeah fucking loser, never wins anything No, no, no! There are no SC2 fan who disrespects Maru. Its only the plain fact he has been unable to make it enough deep to actually meet Serral in any relevant tournament. How to make it happen is the point of discussion. We ALL would want to see that match, do we not? It happened. WESG 2018.
That was before Serral evolved into the Serral we have now. They are still to face at peak power.
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On August 19 2019 03:46 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 03:35 UnLarva wrote:On August 19 2019 03:31 Argonauta wrote:On August 19 2019 03:23 kaykoose wrote:On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Right. Because Maru always loses early yeah fucking loser, never wins anything No, no, no! There are no SC2 fan who disrespects Maru. Its only the plain fact he has been unable to make it enough deep to actually meet Serral in any relevant tournament. How to make it happen is the point of discussion. We ALL would want to see that match, do we not? It happened. WESG 2018.
Yeah. That was before Serral was finished his high school and going to the full time pro.
As you very well know there are a lot of things happened ever since.
I really would want to see Maru vs Serral match. Whatever the result would then be, we all would have that result then. At least.
There are no innate disrespect to Maru from my part, so do not read my comments as such. (beyond 'normal' antagonistic stances of fanboyism of different players of different races, that said). 
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On August 19 2019 03:51 HeroSandro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 03:46 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2019 03:35 UnLarva wrote:On August 19 2019 03:31 Argonauta wrote:On August 19 2019 03:23 kaykoose wrote:On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Right. Because Maru always loses early yeah fucking loser, never wins anything No, no, no! There are no SC2 fan who disrespects Maru. Its only the plain fact he has been unable to make it enough deep to actually meet Serral in any relevant tournament. How to make it happen is the point of discussion. We ALL would want to see that match, do we not? It happened. WESG 2018. That was before Serral evolved into the Serral we have now. They are still to face at peak power.
Uhh he was already dominating WCS at that time.
But I guess whenever Serral loses it's because he wasn't "playing at his peak"
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Its never enough good whatever Serral does or not.
He should just apply to Finnish Army Sports Corps and move to South Korea to serve as 'military attache' of E-Sports division.
Considering Finnish-Korean relations, Finnish model of general conscription, and his status as proven E-sport figure that's not that far fetched people may think. We need only few proactive Generals in The Finnish Defence Forces' HQ to think anew and realize that someone must operate all those drones in a future, and that cyberwar stuff...
Personally I hope The God-King will get his university degree in some humanistic sciences. Where, its irrelevant.
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On August 19 2019 04:02 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 03:51 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 03:46 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2019 03:35 UnLarva wrote:On August 19 2019 03:31 Argonauta wrote:On August 19 2019 03:23 kaykoose wrote:On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Right. Because Maru always loses early yeah fucking loser, never wins anything No, no, no! There are no SC2 fan who disrespects Maru. Its only the plain fact he has been unable to make it enough deep to actually meet Serral in any relevant tournament. How to make it happen is the point of discussion. We ALL would want to see that match, do we not? It happened. WESG 2018. That was before Serral evolved into the Serral we have now. They are still to face at peak power. Uhh he was already dominating WCS at that time. But I guess whenever Serral loses it's because he wasn't "playing at his peak"
But isn’t WCS trash and worth a 17th of a GSL so hardly relevant?
Joking aside, Serral did make a step up in class between dominating the foreign scene and being able to consistently beat the best of Koreans.
I find ‘my player only lost because they weren’t at their peak form for x reason’ excuses as annoying as the next guy, but Serral has subsequently entered another phase of his career since then.
I think most fans want to see Maru and Serral go toe to toe when they’re both in shape in a Bo7, I think it’s a bit of a stretch to make out that early 2018 Serral as a scalp has the significance it would do today.
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On August 19 2019 03:51 UnLarva wrote:Yeah. That was before Serral was finished his high school and going to the full time pro. As you very well know there are a lot of things happened ever since. I really would want to see Maru vs Serral match. Whatever the result would then be, we all would have that result then. At least. There are no innate disrespect to Maru from my part, so do not read my comments as such. (beyond 'normal' antagonistic stances of fanboyism of different players of different races, that said).
FYI Serral graduated high school and went full time in June 2017.
The thing about Maru is the he is hot and cold. At his peak, he looks incredible, but then he also gets dropped unceremoniously.
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On August 19 2019 04:34 Kalera wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 03:51 UnLarva wrote:Yeah. That was before Serral was finished his high school and going to the full time pro. As you very well know there are a lot of things happened ever since. I really would want to see Maru vs Serral match. Whatever the result would then be, we all would have that result then. At least. There are no innate disrespect to Maru from my part, so do not read my comments as such. (beyond 'normal' antagonistic stances of fanboyism of different players of different races, that said). FYI Serral graduated high school and went full time in June 2017. The thing about Maru is the he is hot and cold. At his peak, he looks incredible, but then he also gets dropped unceremoniously.
Oh. My mistake.
Maru! Please! Please! Come to Papa Zerg! Seek and (try) destroy!
In current overall situation in the evolution of the game, that would do only good. For everyone.
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On August 19 2019 03:51 HeroSandro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 03:46 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2019 03:35 UnLarva wrote:On August 19 2019 03:31 Argonauta wrote:On August 19 2019 03:23 kaykoose wrote:On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Right. Because Maru always loses early yeah fucking loser, never wins anything No, no, no! There are no SC2 fan who disrespects Maru. Its only the plain fact he has been unable to make it enough deep to actually meet Serral in any relevant tournament. How to make it happen is the point of discussion. We ALL would want to see that match, do we not? It happened. WESG 2018. That was before Serral evolved into the Serral we have now. They are still to face at peak power.
Serral was already on his WCS winstreak and was 18-0 at WeSG before he met Maru.
He literally went 2-0 Showtime, 3-0 Lambo, 3-0 Elazer, 3-0 Bly, 3-0 Neeb, and 3-1 Classic at the same event. There's literally nothing to suggest he was any worse than at GSL vs the world a few months later.
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On August 19 2019 04:34 Kalera wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 03:51 UnLarva wrote:Yeah. That was before Serral was finished his high school and going to the full time pro. As you very well know there are a lot of things happened ever since. I really would want to see Maru vs Serral match. Whatever the result would then be, we all would have that result then. At least. There are no innate disrespect to Maru from my part, so do not read my comments as such. (beyond 'normal' antagonistic stances of fanboyism of different players of different races, that said). FYI Serral graduated high school and went full time in June 2017. The thing about Maru is the he is hot and cold. At his peak, he looks incredible, but then he also gets dropped unceremoniously.
2017. Wasn't that also the same year Serral achieved #1 ranking in Korea's ladder MMR? He was already the best in the world in terms of MMR rating before anybody even knew about him, and he just started playing full-time a few months prior? That was pretty much how quickly Flash transitioned to SC2 dominance, although he never quite achieved the best-in-Korea status.
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On August 19 2019 04:51 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 04:34 Kalera wrote:On August 19 2019 03:51 UnLarva wrote:Yeah. That was before Serral was finished his high school and going to the full time pro. As you very well know there are a lot of things happened ever since. I really would want to see Maru vs Serral match. Whatever the result would then be, we all would have that result then. At least. There are no innate disrespect to Maru from my part, so do not read my comments as such. (beyond 'normal' antagonistic stances of fanboyism of different players of different races, that said). FYI Serral graduated high school and went full time in June 2017. The thing about Maru is the he is hot and cold. At his peak, he looks incredible, but then he also gets dropped unceremoniously. 2017. Wasn't that also the same year Serral achieved #1 ranking in Korea's ladder MMR? He was already the best in the world in terms of MMR rating before anybody even knew about him, and he just started playing full-time a few months prior? That was pretty much how quickly Flash transitioned to SC2 dominance, although he never quite achieved the best-in-Korea status.
Being in high school is very overrated in terms of how much it effects being good at StarCraft. Just look at Reynor. Or how young Maru was when he won his first event.
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On August 19 2019 05:01 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 04:51 tigon_ridge wrote:On August 19 2019 04:34 Kalera wrote:On August 19 2019 03:51 UnLarva wrote:Yeah. That was before Serral was finished his high school and going to the full time pro. As you very well know there are a lot of things happened ever since. I really would want to see Maru vs Serral match. Whatever the result would then be, we all would have that result then. At least. There are no innate disrespect to Maru from my part, so do not read my comments as such. (beyond 'normal' antagonistic stances of fanboyism of different players of different races, that said). FYI Serral graduated high school and went full time in June 2017. The thing about Maru is the he is hot and cold. At his peak, he looks incredible, but then he also gets dropped unceremoniously. 2017. Wasn't that also the same year Serral achieved #1 ranking in Korea's ladder MMR? He was already the best in the world in terms of MMR rating before anybody even knew about him, and he just started playing full-time a few months prior? That was pretty much how quickly Flash transitioned to SC2 dominance, although he never quite achieved the best-in-Korea status. Being in high school is very overrated in terms of how much it effects being good at StarCraft. Just look at Reynor. Or how young Maru was when he won his first event.
To be fair I doubt the guys who were winning tournaments at like 15 (Flash, Life, Maru) were doing particuarly well in school at the time. To actually graduate high school while being an elite player is impressive
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On August 19 2019 04:02 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2019 03:51 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 03:46 Charoisaur wrote:On August 19 2019 03:35 UnLarva wrote:On August 19 2019 03:31 Argonauta wrote:On August 19 2019 03:23 kaykoose wrote:On August 19 2019 02:58 HeroSandro wrote:On August 19 2019 02:54 JJH777 wrote:On August 19 2019 02:47 Xain0n wrote:On August 19 2019 02:38 JJH777 wrote:
I loved the questionnaire segment specifically with Maru saying Serral wouldn't be as successful as T and that if he went to the circuit he would win everything until he retires. He tried to be modest at first but the lie detector caught him and he admitted the above. Specials answers were great too. Maru was saying that Rogue was better than Serral so maybe he's not that great at evaluating players. His specific statement was that if he practiced with rogue he could beat Serral easily and he stated that around the time of blizzcon last year. We haven't seen anything to disprove that. Rogue was in much better form back then and Serrals ZvT has also improved a lot since then. I think he was mediocre at the matchup until the loss to innovation at WESG. After that there's a significant improvement. Maru is better at evaluating players than 99% of the people who play or watch StarCraft. Nothing that Maru says about him vs. Serral is moot, because they will never face each other Right. Because Maru always loses early yeah fucking loser, never wins anything No, no, no! There are no SC2 fan who disrespects Maru. Its only the plain fact he has been unable to make it enough deep to actually meet Serral in any relevant tournament. How to make it happen is the point of discussion. We ALL would want to see that match, do we not? It happened. WESG 2018. That was before Serral evolved into the Serral we have now. They are still to face at peak power. Uhh he was already dominating WCS at that time. But I guess whenever Serral loses it's because he wasn't "playing at his peak"
You have a funny way of interpreting the worst out of other people posts and at the same time holding your self as a paragon of fairness.
I do not think that Serral was at his peak at that point and he had not won a tournament with koreans. The storyline was not there yet. I'm not trying to say that Marus´s victory was not deserved. All I'm saying is that i do not think that Maru and Serral were both at the peak of their game at that tournament.
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Pure speculation (based on native Finnish experience):
Traditionally: If you're Finnish top level hockey player, you can do your military service in NHL (if you're there already) with some restrictions.
If you're Serral, you should be able to do your military service in GSL, South Korea with some restrictions.
'Should' is the word here. Its up to The High Command, make it happen.
It would be symmetric with Korean Brothers in Arms going to army, following established traditions, constitutions, and customs of each country. In Finland, The Army can give "an order to compete" (and to do best you can) in a foreign league (with permission and courtesy of the country and the league) as/for service of the home country.
Finnish generals needs to realize that.
The president of The Republic can just pick 'a red phone' and arrange whole thing with The President of The Republic.
Serral can of course make a choice for the civilian service by the constitution of Finland, but the end result would likely be pretty much same: Foreign service in the service of diplomatic corps.
Thats the way of Finland.
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