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On August 15 2019 16:50 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 16:46 deacon.frost wrote:On August 15 2019 16:44 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:43 deacon.frost wrote:On August 15 2019 16:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:39 stilt wrote:On August 15 2019 16:38 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:37 stilt wrote:On August 15 2019 16:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
that is the biggest upset i can remember since sjow took a game off of Life like 6 years ago What the fuck, Dark zvz is so overestimated it's insane. screenshot me your liquibet saying elazer would win I don't do liquidbet, that say, if you really think this is the same kind of upset, it's very telling about your limited knowledge about the current scene. Just like putting Life vs sjow as the biggest upset since the last 6y actually. i do think it's the same kind of upset.. it's reigning gsl champion. easy to say you knew it all along with no proof or nothing on the line just saying it to be right. why to take that stance is lost on me. it's like kissing your sister. high five. Dark is not even close to what monster Life was and considering how weak the Korean Zerg play was in the past months we can't even say much about his ZvZ. Which has just shown(and Elazer isn't the best ZvZ out there) what would you say was a bigger upset since sjow vs life since, in that case? Maru v Meomaika? Read my edit, you're downplaying Elazer and overestimating Dark. (both in ZvZ) snipe builds beating top players is nowhere as huge as the underdog beating the tops in a straight macro game
The issue is that Elazer isn't as bad as Sjow was, and he's a great player in ZvZ. Had he met T or P of Dark's caliber, it would be someything different, but he's really good in ZvZ.
Maru wasn't sniped, there wasn't any special builds, Maru just lost to all ins he's supposed to defend because he's way better
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On August 15 2019 16:52 Argonauta wrote:
Now if soO loses, which I think is likely, but I will know for sure once the match ends, we are out of Kr Zergs. Where is Rogue and why is Fantasy here?
Fan's didn't vote by quality but by names? Fan vote makes this tournament so great 
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Germany3367 Posts
haha just woke up and checked LP, what the hell.
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Lol we sent our #8th player to murder KR's #1. L2p KR
Dark is lucky he didn't run into Serral to get 3-0'd again
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soO : "Foreigners look down on Koreans."
Time : "I will be happy if I win a single game."
soO : "See? That's what I'm talking about, stop looking down on me, you won't even kill a drone you scrub."
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On August 15 2019 16:54 Need wrote:
Lol we sent our #8th player to murder KR's #1. L2p KR
Who are you and what organization you and elazer belong?
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On August 15 2019 16:52 Argonauta wrote:
Now if soO loses, which I think is likely, but I will know for sure once the match ends, we are out of Kr Zergs. Where is Rogue and why is Fantasy here?
But is there even a need for Korean Zergs. At this point KR exists to supply good Terran and Protoss players, so EU zergs don't dominate the world.
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On August 15 2019 16:56 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 16:52 Argonauta wrote:
Now if soO loses, which I think is likely, but I will know for sure once the match ends, we are out of Kr Zergs. Where is Rogue and why is Fantasy here? But is there even a need for Korean Zergs. At this point KR exists to supply good Terran and Protoss players, so EU zergs don't dominate the world.
I like variety in GSL, given that I cannot have it in WCS since the lock
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On August 15 2019 16:51 Gina wrote:@Xain0n and got this reaction, yeah: Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 10:19 MarianoSC2 wrote:On August 03 2019 18:50 Xain0n wrote:
In the last four months and half, Dark has played two ZvZ series, a 2-0 against Dongraegu and a 2-1 against Ragnarok. Don't be so sure he will advance, Elazer has better chanches against him than Scarlett. ROFL. Even you can't be serious here
Delicious, don't you think?
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On August 15 2019 16:57 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 16:56 Musicus wrote:On August 15 2019 16:52 Argonauta wrote:
Now if soO loses, which I think is likely, but I will know for sure once the match ends, we are out of Kr Zergs. Where is Rogue and why is Fantasy here? But is there even a need for Korean Zergs. At this point KR exists to supply good Terran and Protoss players, so EU zergs don't dominate the world. I like variety in GSL, given that I cannot have it in WCS since the lock
True, with region lock we still need Korean Zergs I guess.
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On August 15 2019 16:55 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 16:54 Need wrote:
Lol we sent our #8th player to murder KR's #1. L2p KR Who are you and what organization you and elazer belong?
The World
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On August 15 2019 16:40 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 16:38 Edmon wrote:
Now all we need is for TIME to beat SOO and Korea will be punching the express train ticket to humbletown. Why? soO is worse each month further from the IEM. So unless he found his lost mojo he's not the clear favorite here as he used to be. But hey, he has many fans, so he got in.
There is always this sentiment that not all the matches are world versus Korea to make sure some world players "make it to the Ro4". Now that situation might be totally inverted, with the only Korean making it due to a KvK.
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On August 15 2019 16:40 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 16:39 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:38 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 15 2019 16:35 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:34 lolfail9001 wrote:
We are 1 match in and TLnet preview is already off.
Impressive... i think elazer and his mom are the only 2 people in the world who could foresee this result I mean, i know that Koreans has kind of shown that they do dominate the scene still, but fairly certain we knew about strength of EU ZvZ since last year at least? i wouldn't have put elazer at the top of the euro scene, even if its zvz euro vs kr.. i don't understand this whole thing about euro zvz being ahead of kr zvz anyway. is it because europe has serral?? how would such a pattern emerge Because Europe simply plays more ZvZs at their higher levels, it's this simple, just look at all the Reynor vs Serral matches.
Not just because of Serral. We had a deep roster of top zergs for a really long time now. Who do we have in Korea? Like 3 guys swapping positions: Dark, soO, Rogue. Then solar and quite a bit behind Impact. This didn't change for quite a while now.
In EU we had over the course of the last years: Snute, Nerchio, Elazer, Zanster, Sortof, Denver, Lambo, Serral, Reynor, Namshar, Stephano, TLO, Bly. That's a really thick layer of Zerg players who are able to peak every now and then and make competition really tough. They play ZvZ against each other all the time. Also there are many more very good Zergs competing with those top players in online cups regularly.
How did this pattern emerge? I don't know... we just happened to have some really strong Zergs historically. Also my impression is, that more good zerg players kept on competing than in the other races? I mean, apart from Serral, Reynor and Denver all the names I listed above are some serious veterans
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On August 15 2019 16:59 fronkschnonk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 16:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 15 2019 16:39 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:38 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 15 2019 16:35 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:34 lolfail9001 wrote:
We are 1 match in and TLnet preview is already off.
Impressive... i think elazer and his mom are the only 2 people in the world who could foresee this result I mean, i know that Koreans has kind of shown that they do dominate the scene still, but fairly certain we knew about strength of EU ZvZ since last year at least? i wouldn't have put elazer at the top of the euro scene, even if its zvz euro vs kr.. i don't understand this whole thing about euro zvz being ahead of kr zvz anyway. is it because europe has serral?? how would such a pattern emerge Because Europe simply plays more ZvZs at their higher levels, it's this simple, just look at all the Reynor vs Serral matches. Not just because of Serral. We had a deep roster of top zergs for a really long time now. Who do we have in Korea? Like 3 guys swapping positions: Dark, soO, Rogue. Then solar and quite a bit behind Impact. This didn't change for quite a while now. In EU we had over the course of the last years: Snute, Nerchio, Elazer, Zanster, Sortof, Denver, Lambo, Serral, Reynor, Namshar, Stephano, TLO, Bly. That's a really thick layer of Zerg players who are able to peak every now and then and make competition really tough. They play ZvZ against each other all the time. Also there are many more very good Zergs competing with those top players in online cups regularly. How did this pattern emerge? I don't know... we just happened to have some really strong Zergs historically. Also my impression is, that more good zerg players kept on competing than in the other races? I mean, apart from Serral, Reynor and Denver all the names I listed above are some serious veterans
Lol ignoring Ragnarok but including all those no name EU Zergs
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On August 15 2019 16:58 Edmon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 16:40 deacon.frost wrote:On August 15 2019 16:38 Edmon wrote:
Now all we need is for TIME to beat SOO and Korea will be punching the express train ticket to humbletown. Why? soO is worse each month further from the IEM. So unless he found his lost mojo he's not the clear favorite here as he used to be. But hey, he has many fans, so he got in. There is always this sentiment that not all the matches are world versus Korea to make sure some world players "make it to the Ro4". Now that situation might be totally inverted, with the only Korean making it due to a KvK.
Don't know, soO's ZvZ should be still good, if he survives TIME Neeb should be an underdog to Maru/Stats too. What are you talking about? Didn't you mean RO8?
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On August 15 2019 16:59 fronkschnonk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 16:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 15 2019 16:39 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:38 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 15 2019 16:35 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:34 lolfail9001 wrote:
We are 1 match in and TLnet preview is already off.
Impressive... i think elazer and his mom are the only 2 people in the world who could foresee this result I mean, i know that Koreans has kind of shown that they do dominate the scene still, but fairly certain we knew about strength of EU ZvZ since last year at least? i wouldn't have put elazer at the top of the euro scene, even if its zvz euro vs kr.. i don't understand this whole thing about euro zvz being ahead of kr zvz anyway. is it because europe has serral?? how would such a pattern emerge Because Europe simply plays more ZvZs at their higher levels, it's this simple, just look at all the Reynor vs Serral matches. Not just because of Serral. We had a deep roster of top zergs for a really long time now. Who do we have in Korea? Like 3 guys swapping positions: Dark, soO, Rogue. Then solar and quite a bit behind Impact. This didn't change for quite a while now. In EU we had over the course of the last years: Snute, Nerchio, Elazer, Zanster, Sortof, Denver, Lambo, Serral, Reynor, Namshar, Stephano, TLO, Bly. That's a really thick layer of Zerg players who are able to peak every now and then and make competition really tough. They play ZvZ against each other all the time. Also there are many more very good Zergs competing with those top players in online cups regularly. How did this pattern emerge? I don't know... we just happened to have some really strong Zergs historically. Also my impression is, that more good zerg players kept on competing than in the other races? I mean, apart from Serral, Reynor and Denver all the names I listed above are some serious veterans
If you list guys like Sortof, Zanster and Denver (lol) you also must name a lot more players for korea (Leenock, Losira, Ragnarok, Armani)
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On August 15 2019 16:59 fronkschnonk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 16:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 15 2019 16:39 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:38 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 15 2019 16:35 Alejandrisha wrote:On August 15 2019 16:34 lolfail9001 wrote:
We are 1 match in and TLnet preview is already off.
Impressive... i think elazer and his mom are the only 2 people in the world who could foresee this result I mean, i know that Koreans has kind of shown that they do dominate the scene still, but fairly certain we knew about strength of EU ZvZ since last year at least? i wouldn't have put elazer at the top of the euro scene, even if its zvz euro vs kr.. i don't understand this whole thing about euro zvz being ahead of kr zvz anyway. is it because europe has serral?? how would such a pattern emerge Because Europe simply plays more ZvZs at their higher levels, it's this simple, just look at all the Reynor vs Serral matches. Not just because of Serral. We had a deep roster of top zergs for a really long time now. Who do we have in Korea? Like 3 guys swapping positions: Dark, soO, Rogue. Then solar and quite a bit behind Impact. This didn't change for quite a while now. In EU we had over the course of the last years: Snute, Nerchio, Elazer, Zanster, Sortof, Denver, Lambo, Serral, Reynor, Namshar, Stephano, TLO, Bly. That's a really thick layer of Zerg players who are able to peak every now and then and make competition really tough. They play ZvZ against each other all the time. Also there are many more very good Zergs competing with those top players in online cups regularly. How did this pattern emerge? I don't know... we just happened to have some really strong Zergs historically. Also my impression is, that more good zerg players kept on competing than in the other races? I mean, apart from Serral, Reynor and Denver all the names I listed above are some serious veterans
Armani, Leenock and Ragnarock also come to my mind if you are going so deep to include zanster denver or sortof
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On August 15 2019 16:44 Schelim wrote:
i'd be lying to say i expected this, but i was really rooting for Elazer once the casters all just laughed him off. that was so disrespectful.
We laughed at tasteless saying this was the match he looked forward to in particular when you got maru vs stats after that ;D I mean dark vs Elazer is cool but how many people out there prefer this Zvz over maru vs stats? Just having some fun, don’t read so much into us teasing tasteless a bit
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this is why people favored TIME over soO
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EPT
