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Poll: Who Advances?Rogue & Dark (19) 23% INnoVation & Dark (18) 22% Rogue & INnoVation (17) 20% GuMiho & Rogue (12) 14% GuMiho & Dark (12) 14% INnoVation & GuMiho (5) 6% 83 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): Rogue & Dark (Vote): INnoVation & GuMiho (Vote): INnoVation & Dark (Vote): GuMiho & Rogue (Vote): Rogue & INnoVation (Vote): GuMiho & Dark
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Rogue & Innovation , please.
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This group is so hard to predict :/. My liquidbets are gonna be ruined for sure. I voted for INnoVation but I feel like he can only disappoint this season.
Serral is probably the best ZvT player in the world right now tho, so maybe INno has a shot in spite of his result at GSL vs The World
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Rogue is already qualified for blizzcon, so Dark + INno please
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Trying to pick who gets out of this one underscores what a true group of death it is. I think GuMiho and Rogue will make it out, but I might want Rogue and Dark.
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I really love watching GuMiho play. Super looking forward to this. Looking over the group though, I didn't really realize it was this stacked. Good grief!
It's impossible for me to predict who's going to get out of this group haha.
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Hard to predict this group, but I feel like INnoVation & Dark are more likely to advance. Also I hope that Dark dosn't advance first, would hate to see him bop Neeb again.
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Dark and Gumiho should be the favourites. Unless Rogue tryhards again and gets back in good form.
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I want Dark to get 1st just so he can smash Neeb yet again
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tough one to pick. I went with Dark and Inno
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On August 17 2018 03:39 starkiller123 wrote: I want Dark to get 1st just so he can smash Neeb yet again I want the same just to see Neeb's redemption. Anyways I think Dark and Inno will make out of this group.
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i'm thinkin gumiho and dark. You can't count gumi out and i think he has a better chance against these 2 zergs than inno.
Gumiho > Dark Rogue > Innovation
Gumiho > Rogue Dark > Innovation
Dark > Rogue
Gumiho and Dark advance.
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People still doubting Rogue smh
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Gumiho has been playing insanely well lately, and I'm not sure I see him losing to Innovation. However, I do think he's weaker (ever so slightly) to the zergs than Inno. This group is basically impossible to predict with any confidence. All the players have shown fluctuating form recently.
Here's my guess at predictions:
Dark 2-0 Gumiho Innovation 2-1 Rogue Dark 2-0 Innovation Rogue 2-1 Gumiho Rogue 2-1 Innovation
Here's my heart's predictions (which in this group are totally possible, since anyone can make it out):
Dark 2-0 Gumi Rogue 2-1 Inno Dark 2-1 Rogue Gumiho 2-0 Inno Gumiho 2-1 Rogue !!!
I want Gumi to make it more than anyone else <3
I do think Dark is just a bit better than the rest of the players.
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gumiho will stomp inno, as he has been doing on stream consistently over the past few weeks. bit worried about his tvz... but you never know what he has up his sleeve
when gumi competes in an online tourna, he uses the opportunity to hammer out a specific build over and over, without the mystery of barcodes. for example, he played fastest possible banshee every game vs soo in olimoleague (delayed reactor, techlab pre-built, starport started on pre-built techlab). in the next cup, he tried 3cc ultra greedy, delayed hellbat / upgraded marine push every game. I think he does this in online cups to help inform his build choices when it matters in gsl. that's why they call him "the build master"
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Crazy even group. Could be the semifinals of the GSL and also any combination of players could easily advance.
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On August 17 2018 06:56 Paljas wrote: People still doubting Rogue smh maybe i'm metagaming it by not voting for him since im so bad at this now
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On August 17 2018 06:56 Paljas wrote: People still doubting Rogue smh Rogue performs well in every other tournament.
GSL Season 1 - flop IEM Katowice - dominates Supertournament - flop GSL Season 2 - dominates GSL vs The World - flop
So I guess he should dominate this GSL season, flop in supertournament, then win blizzcon.
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My predictions: Dark 2-0 GuMiho Rogue 2-1 INnoVation Rogue 2-1 Dark INnoVation 2-0 GuMiho INnoVation 2-1 Dark
I bet for Rogue and Innovation to advance from group B. Rogue I guess for 'maximum entertainment value', due to their back and forth record, I'd really like to see Rogue vs Neeb play and go to 4 games or even to all 5 games. Not Dark bopping Neeb 3-0 again. I say this, but then this also depends on which Neeb and which Rogue shows up on the day. If both of them show up on point, I think this is going to be a great series. Inno because it's freaking season 3 of GSL, so Inno bops people left and right.
This makes the Ro8 that I hope to be: Maru vs Innovation Leenock vs TY Neeb vs Rogue Stats vs Zest
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It should be a terran 2nd place. Or Maru will win his 3rd championship -_-
(Z)Dark 0-2 (T)GuMiho (Z)Rogue 2-0 (T)INnoVation (Z)Rogue 2-0 (Z)GuMiho (T)INnoVation 2-1 (T)Dark (T)INnoVation 1-2 (Z)GuMiho
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On August 17 2018 17:38 EEk1TwEEk wrote: It should be a terran 2nd place. Or Maru will win his 3rd championship -_-
(Z)Dark 0-2 (T)GuMiho (Z)Rogue 2-0 (T)INnoVation (Z)Rogue 2-0 (Z)GuMiho (T)INnoVation 2-1 (T)Dark (T)INnoVation 1-2 (Z)GuMiho
After winning his group Maru said he wants Terrans over Zergs in the coming rounds. Even though we havent seen Maru's TvT recently except his series against Forte, there is no reason to assume it would be weak.
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On August 17 2018 17:38 EEk1TwEEk wrote: It should be a terran 2nd place. Or Maru will win his 3rd championship -_- Maru likes TvT now. It's TvZ he needs to avoid if he wants a 3rd title.
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On August 18 2018 04:20 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2018 17:38 EEk1TwEEk wrote: It should be a terran 2nd place. Or Maru will win his 3rd championship -_- Maru likes TvT now. It's TvZ he needs to avoid if he wants a 3rd title. He'd rather play TvT than TvZ because he has trouble with TvZ. But he'd still rather play a TvZ than a TvT vs TY. This stuff's complicated now.
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On August 18 2018 04:42 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 04:20 Fango wrote:On August 17 2018 17:38 EEk1TwEEk wrote: It should be a terran 2nd place. Or Maru will win his 3rd championship -_- Maru likes TvT now. It's TvZ he needs to avoid if he wants a 3rd title. He'd rather play TvT than TvZ because he has trouble with TvZ. But he'd still rather play a TvZ than a TvT vs TY. This stuff's complicated now. He wanted to play a TvZ against Reynor rather than a TvT against TY. That's not complicated, TY is the #1 or #2 TvTer in the world, Reynor isn't close to being the best ZvT player.
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On August 18 2018 04:46 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 04:42 Elentos wrote:On August 18 2018 04:20 Fango wrote:On August 17 2018 17:38 EEk1TwEEk wrote: It should be a terran 2nd place. Or Maru will win his 3rd championship -_- Maru likes TvT now. It's TvZ he needs to avoid if he wants a 3rd title. He'd rather play TvT than TvZ because he has trouble with TvZ. But he'd still rather play a TvZ than a TvT vs TY. This stuff's complicated now. He wanted to play a TvZ against Reynor rather than a TvT against TY. That's not complicated, TY is the #1 or #2 TvTer in the world, Reynor isn't close to being the best ZvT player. TY is literally the player in GSL Maru wants to play the least out of everyone. Those are his words, and that's not restricted to Reynor.
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On August 18 2018 05:01 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 04:46 Fango wrote:On August 18 2018 04:42 Elentos wrote:On August 18 2018 04:20 Fango wrote:On August 17 2018 17:38 EEk1TwEEk wrote: It should be a terran 2nd place. Or Maru will win his 3rd championship -_- Maru likes TvT now. It's TvZ he needs to avoid if he wants a 3rd title. He'd rather play TvT than TvZ because he has trouble with TvZ. But he'd still rather play a TvZ than a TvT vs TY. This stuff's complicated now. He wanted to play a TvZ against Reynor rather than a TvT against TY. That's not complicated, TY is the #1 or #2 TvTer in the world, Reynor isn't close to being the best ZvT player. TY is literally the player in GSL Maru wants to play the least out of everyone. Those are his words, and that's not restricted to Reynor. Maru is just being nice. TY is a scrub
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Gumiho should have 2 raxed
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Well Dark messed that up lol
Aaaand Gumi goes and donates tanks lol
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Dont worry so did Gumiho..
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"this is a weird game" confirmed
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MECH IT HAPPEN TOWEL TERRAN!
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Artosis is being more reserved tonight. Maybe Olli finally got through to him
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On August 18 2018 13:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Artosis is being more reserved tonight. Maybe Olli finally got through to him
Rogue hasn't played yet
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Games like that are why I love Gumiho. You never know what'll happen.
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On August 18 2018 13:25 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Artosis is being more reserved tonight. Maybe Olli finally got through to him
Still cursing people though. First Impact, then now probably Rogue.
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Gumi could have used some more speed banshees or a BC
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Both players supply-blocked for thirty seconds as the push came in. And hyperflight rotor takes longer than I thought--not sure why I expected it to be shorter.
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idk where to put gumiho, but I feel like he should be in the top10
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If Dark loses to Gumi, that's two seasons in a row that he got beat by his pick lol
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On August 18 2018 13:26 Shellshock wrote: Gumi could have used some more speed banshees or a BC
You were saying?
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On August 18 2018 13:35 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 13:26 Shellshock wrote: Gumi could have used some more speed banshees or a BC You were saying? good strats
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On August 18 2018 13:37 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 13:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 18 2018 13:26 Shellshock wrote: Gumi could have used some more speed banshees or a BC You were saying? good strats
A well spent 400 resources.
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On August 18 2018 13:37 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 13:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 18 2018 13:26 Shellshock wrote: Gumi could have used some more speed banshees or a BC You were saying? good strats
Losing strats too by the look of things lol
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On August 18 2018 13:38 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 13:37 Shellshock wrote:On August 18 2018 13:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 18 2018 13:26 Shellshock wrote: Gumi could have used some more speed banshees or a BC You were saying? good strats Losing strats too by the look of things lol it was the execution not that strat brah
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On August 18 2018 13:40 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 13:38 Kommander wrote:On August 18 2018 13:37 Shellshock wrote:On August 18 2018 13:35 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 18 2018 13:26 Shellshock wrote: Gumi could have used some more speed banshees or a BC You were saying? good strats Losing strats too by the look of things lol it was the execution not that strat brah
Making no attempt to use his speed banshees is certainly poor execution, even if we ignore that attack.
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well that was just... something
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mind boggling series.........
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Gumithrow in full motion.
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Even though it failed horribly I thought that was a cool unique push. It would probably destroy someone on ling/bane.
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gumi should've taken a look at that army and doubled back, complete misread there
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On August 18 2018 13:52 JJH777 wrote: Even though it failed horribly I thought that was a cool unique push. It would probably destroy someone on ling/bane.
It's probably quite good against ling/bane--I wouldn't go so far as saying it would destroy it. Which makes the fact that he decided to pull out this strat. against Dark all the more puzzling.
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hmmm looks nice... lets see
edit: i mean.. using barracks to block looks nice
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lol Inno doesn't give a fuck
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This is a cute variation.
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looks like me playing terran
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Poll: Recommend Rogue vs INnoVation game 1?* (4) 50% ***** (3) 38% *** (1) 13% **** (0) 0% ** (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Rogue vs INnoVation game 1? (Vote): ***** (Vote): **** (Vote): *** (Vote): ** (Vote): *
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At least INno proved that he can do something other than go for 2/2 timings and has overcome his proxy-rax PTSD from HSC. Looks like he might relapse though.
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"Innovation does the same thing every game, but that's kind of why he's so good", said Artosis
"I'll try something new!", said Innovation, and failed, and died.
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the group of death is giving us the weakest sc2 in ages, looks like sc2 in korea really is in decline, that rush legit looked like the one I do to get fast to masters, especially the shitty scv micro, lmao.
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Is it only me or are tastosis really lacking energy today?
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On August 18 2018 14:09 fishinbigpond wrote: Is it only me or are tastosis really lacking energy today? Olli ruined them
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On August 18 2018 14:10 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 14:09 fishinbigpond wrote: Is it only me or are tastosis really lacking energy today? Olli ruined them
It's either Olli or Jaedong.
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On August 18 2018 14:09 fishinbigpond wrote: Is it only me or are tastosis really lacking energy today?
They casted KSL last night so they're probably still tired.
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On August 18 2018 14:06 IshinShishi wrote: the group of death is giving us the weakest sc2 in ages, looks like sc2 in korea really is in decline, that rush legit looked like the one I do to get fast to masters, especially the shitty scv micro, lmao. Rogue and INno being two of the biggest names in sc2 makes people forget how not good they are sometimes.
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Dreamcatcher does what Dreamcatcher do.
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so any guesses for the build this game?
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The way everyone's playing so far, Serral would beat them all
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This is a very pretty map
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On August 18 2018 14:17 Kommander wrote:The way everyone's playing so far, Serral would beat them all He pretty much did the other week?
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On August 18 2018 14:17 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 14:17 Kommander wrote:The way everyone's playing so far, Serral would beat them all He pretty much did the other week? Rogue dodged him. too scared
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why do we get shitty parasite instead of this cool surf map
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Free banshee. Inno choking under the pressure
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I'm sure Inno wanted to trick Rogue into roaches with this opening, Rogue is a ling bling robot tho.
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On August 18 2018 14:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Free banshee. Inno choking under the pressure classic inno
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Muta/Ling/Bane is indeed the sexiest strat. Only the sexiest from sexy boi
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lost first banshee to nothing, late turret at his third, no reaction to the final push, inno please.
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That map is beautiful, shame we will probably only see it a couple times.
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unfortunately mirrors now
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Beautiful games from both sides.
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On August 18 2018 14:28 Shellshock wrote: unfortunately mirrors now Dark vs Rogue is at least interesting to see, even if the games end up being bad. They've only played offline twice in LotV, once in proleague where Rogue did a crazy swarmhost build, and once at IEM Shangai last year where Rogue won 3-0.
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Underwhelming games so far, worst games i have watched in some time.
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On August 18 2018 14:32 ionONE wrote: Underwhelming games so far, worst games i have watched in some time. I can tell you didn't watch the last gsl group.
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On August 18 2018 14:33 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 14:32 ionONE wrote: Underwhelming games so far, worst games i have watched in some time. I can tell you didn't watch the last gsl group. Maru vs Neeb was elite
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Wow the cast got really dark lol
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On August 18 2018 14:37 Noonius wrote: why do I wake up to zvz? it's your true calling
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Ah Roach vs Roach, a true classic
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On August 18 2018 14:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Ah Roach vs Roach, a true classic true likes mass lings and classic plays protoss
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I don't know anything about zvz but rogue has lurkers so i think he wins
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Dark making better plays but Rogue's army with the lurkers is just way better
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Well that's one heck of a move command
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dark seemed to be doing great, and then he died.
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On August 18 2018 14:48 IshinShishi wrote: dark seemed to be doing great, and then he died. Lurkers > doing great
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Dark didn't learn from his series against Serral. Still refuses to make lurkers
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Looked like Dark misclicked or move commanded his army at Rogue's third and completely lost it. Weird mistake.
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Dark is yet to take a game of Rogue in LotV (offline that is).
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it was still the best game of the group tho, thats sad.
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Really need anyone but Inno to get through so I'm rooting for Dark/Rogue. Only person that could catch and overtake SoS in the WCS standings. Because as much as I like Trap he is not getting past ro16.
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so how is Neeb going to do against the winner of this
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On August 18 2018 14:52 dave81 wrote: Really need anyone but Inno to get through so I'm rooting for Dark/Rogue. Only person that could catch and overtake SoS in the WCS standings. Because as much as I like Trap he is not getting past ro16.
Gumiho is ahead of Inno but behind sOs so he could catch him the same way
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I think Neeb can take Inno down if he keeps playing league, but otherwise he will get bopped.
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Although this group is considered to be the group of death, the games today are everything but great.
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Pretty great engagement from Rogue.
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On August 18 2018 14:55 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 14:52 dave81 wrote: Really need anyone but Inno to get through so I'm rooting for Dark/Rogue. Only person that could catch and overtake SoS in the WCS standings. Because as much as I like Trap he is not getting past ro16.
Gumiho is ahead of Inno but behind sOs so he could catch him the same way If Gumi and INno both lose this group, then their chances for blizzcon are basically over unless everyone above them also loses in the ro16.
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Rogue smashing some doubt again
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On August 18 2018 14:56 IshinShishi wrote: I think Neeb can take Inno down if he keeps playing league, but otherwise he will get bopped. There was no chance of him playing Inno after Inno lost the earlier series
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Neeb vs Rogue should be interesting maybe hopefully
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Rogue vs Neeb....hmmm. Neeb beat him in some tournament awhile back...but this is GSL Rogue so I'd say Neeb is screwed
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someone needs to tell tasteless to stop using the word calculus, I'm fine with his use of "equity", but he needs to let go of his passion for calculus.
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I dont know what just happened....
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Is Rogue as good as Silky?
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Rogue just needs to practice against adepts
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On August 18 2018 14:55 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 14:52 dave81 wrote: Really need anyone but Inno to get through so I'm rooting for Dark/Rogue. Only person that could catch and overtake SoS in the WCS standings. Because as much as I like Trap he is not getting past ro16.
Gumiho is ahead of Inno but behind sOs so he could catch him the same way
Does Gumi have good matchups outside of TvT?
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is tasteless translating himself or is someone feeding it ?
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On August 18 2018 14:59 IshinShishi wrote: someone needs to tell tasteless to stop using the word calculus, I'm fine with his use of "equity", but he needs to let go of his passion for calculus.
Someone probably told him that the secondary meaning of calculus is "system of reasoning", and since then he uses it non-stop.
We just need someone to inform him of the tertiary meaning, which is that a kidney stone is also called a calculus.
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there should be an asterisk next to every single zvz for the most boring mirror ever, so people know to stay away
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On August 18 2018 15:03 IshinShishi wrote: is tasteless translating himself or is someone feeding it ?
Someone's translating for him. Tasteless and Artosis speak almost no Korean despite having lived in Korea for so long afaik.
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On August 18 2018 14:59 IshinShishi wrote: someone needs to tell tasteless to stop using the word calculus, I'm fine with his use of "equity", but he needs to let go of his passion for calculus.
let the man use his "word a day" toilet paper knowledge
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On August 18 2018 15:00 dave81 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 14:55 Shellshock wrote:On August 18 2018 14:52 dave81 wrote: Really need anyone but Inno to get through so I'm rooting for Dark/Rogue. Only person that could catch and overtake SoS in the WCS standings. Because as much as I like Trap he is not getting past ro16.
Gumiho is ahead of Inno but behind sOs so he could catch him the same way Does Gumi have good matchups outside of TvT?
He's got a mean TvP as well. Really, Gumi should never be underestimated in any matchup. He's always been able to upset anyone.
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On August 18 2018 15:04 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:00 dave81 wrote:On August 18 2018 14:55 Shellshock wrote:On August 18 2018 14:52 dave81 wrote: Really need anyone but Inno to get through so I'm rooting for Dark/Rogue. Only person that could catch and overtake SoS in the WCS standings. Because as much as I like Trap he is not getting past ro16.
Gumiho is ahead of Inno but behind sOs so he could catch him the same way Does Gumi have good matchups outside of TvT? He's got a mean TvP as well. Really, Gumi should never be underestimated in any matchup. He's always been able to upset anyone. He's good but I don't see him ever beating the top Z/Ps in a longer series (Classic, Stats, Dark, Rogue)
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On August 18 2018 15:08 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:04 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 18 2018 15:00 dave81 wrote:On August 18 2018 14:55 Shellshock wrote:On August 18 2018 14:52 dave81 wrote: Really need anyone but Inno to get through so I'm rooting for Dark/Rogue. Only person that could catch and overtake SoS in the WCS standings. Because as much as I like Trap he is not getting past ro16.
Gumiho is ahead of Inno but behind sOs so he could catch him the same way Does Gumi have good matchups outside of TvT? He's got a mean TvP as well. Really, Gumi should never be underestimated in any matchup. He's always been able to upset anyone. He's good but I don't see him ever beating the top Z/Ps in a longer series (Classic, Stats, Dark, Rogue) He doesn't usually get far enough in tournaments to actually play a longer series.
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IMO I feel a lot better knowing Neeb is vs Rogue and not Dark, Dark just plays a wild style vs Foreigners and toppled Neeb twice now I think? I think Rogue would play more straight up and at least we would see how he stacks up vs the champ.
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On August 18 2018 15:11 OhThatDang wrote: IMO I feel a lot better knowing Neeb is vs Rogue and not Dark, Dark just plays a wild style vs Foreigners and toppled Neeb twice now I think? I think Rogue would play more straight up and at least we would see how he stacks up vs the champ.
Unless Rogue remembers the lessons from last Blizzcon and just ling rushes Neeb.
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Neeb certainly has a chance if the games go long. If Rogue's as smart as soO or Dark, he'll end the game quickly.
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Might be the first year without Bogus winning something :O
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On August 18 2018 15:11 OhThatDang wrote: IMO I feel a lot better knowing Neeb is vs Rogue and not Dark, Dark just plays a wild style vs Foreigners and toppled Neeb twice now I think? I think Rogue would play more straight up and at least we would see how he stacks up vs the champ.
Neeb can handle Rogue better. They pretty much have a rivalry going on since Kespa Cup, and have been going back and forth. Neeb beat him recently so let's see if Rogue can get back at him
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just glad its not maru v rogue ro8 again good luck to neeb
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On August 18 2018 15:04 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 14:59 IshinShishi wrote: someone needs to tell tasteless to stop using the word calculus, I'm fine with his use of "equity", but he needs to let go of his passion for calculus. let the man use his "word a day" toilet paper knowledge
wait I can buy word a day toilet paper?
on a totally unrelated note, Rogue has become a surprisingly decent interview :o
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Gumi is owning it up this game
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Season 3 INno was fake news
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On August 18 2018 15:15 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:04 Noonius wrote:On August 18 2018 14:59 IshinShishi wrote: someone needs to tell tasteless to stop using the word calculus, I'm fine with his use of "equity", but he needs to let go of his passion for calculus. let the man use his "word a day" toilet paper knowledge wait I can buy word a day toilet paper? on a totally unrelated note, Rogue has become a surprisingly decent interview :o
TL writers use it exclusively
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I like that low hp cyclone and single marine standoff going on in the middle of the map
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inno is so sloppy today, even forgot combat shiled
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how are marines healed thru all that armor?
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jesus, Artosis has no idea what's going on
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On August 18 2018 15:22 Noonius wrote: how are marines healed thru all that armor? magic
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On August 18 2018 15:20 IshinShishi wrote: inno is so sloppy today, even forgot combat shiled Did he forget it or was it just really delayed?
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I kind of wanted to see inno get to the final match to see him try that 3 rax proxy again
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artosis trying hard as fuck to make his story telling real lmao
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Every time I think to myself "oh, it's just Gumiho" I find myself painfully reminded of the monster that ended the last Slayers GSTL, and the epic clash with MMA.
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It's been quite a while since Innovation lived up to his status.
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bye bye inno, c u in 2019
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On August 18 2018 15:23 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:20 IshinShishi wrote: inno is so sloppy today, even forgot combat shiled Did he forget it or was it just really delayed? Pretty sure he forgot it since he was well into 2/2 when he started the upgrade, Idk the math but I think combat shield is more valuable than the armor upgrade.
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On August 18 2018 15:26 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:23 Fango wrote:On August 18 2018 15:20 IshinShishi wrote: inno is so sloppy today, even forgot combat shiled Did he forget it or was it just really delayed? Pretty sure he forgot it since he was well into 2/2 when he started the upgrade, Idk the math but I think combat shield is more valuable than the armor upgrade. The techlab that was getting stim got killed and he had to restart it. But he started combat shield only a few seconds after stim finished, it was just very late.
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Not the first map to have easter eggs of the sort either. The tile art on Echo had symbols from Conway's Game of Life, and TLMC finalist Annihilation Station had numbers to do with electron shell numbers.
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On August 18 2018 15:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Not the first map to have easter eggs of the sort either. The tile art on Echo had symbols from Conway's Game of Life, and TLMC finalist Annihilation Station had numbers to do with electron shell numbers. theres one map that had SGTK on it somewhere cause he helped the guy test it I believe. one of those golden protossy looking ones
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lol inno got straight trashed tonight
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Well this is a cool scenario. Maru vs Dark/Gumi sounds sick either way
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MMA put up more of a fight last round
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huh i guess GumiHo is good lol, weird how so many people dislike him on TL
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Inno out in RO16. Shocking stuff.
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On August 18 2018 15:24 JoeCool wrote: It's been quite a while since Innovation lived up to his status.
I personally feel since he left the skt team house he is overrated from past accomplishments. This year he has 2 ro16 finishes and 1 ro8. He was a very good player but now he is no longer a top contender.
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inno was looking amazing yesterday on ladder too, but today he looked like he had been playing fortnite for a month.
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iNNO needs to forget his blizzcon dream
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No Innovation at Blizzcon it seems
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On August 18 2018 15:36 dave81 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:24 JoeCool wrote: It's been quite a while since Innovation lived up to his status. I personally feel since he left the skt team house he is overrated from past accomplishments. This year he has 2 ro16 finishes and 1 ro8. He was a very good player but know he is no longer a top contender. The year after he left skt he got 4 championships and a bucket load of top 8 finishes.
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On August 18 2018 15:36 dave81 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:24 JoeCool wrote: It's been quite a while since Innovation lived up to his status. I personally feel since he left the skt team house he is overrated from past accomplishments. This year he has 2 ro16 finishes and 1 ro8. He was a very good player but know he is no longer a top contender.
Uhh innovation won another GSL a year after SKT disbanded...
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On August 18 2018 15:37 IshinShishi wrote: inno was looking amazing yesterday on ladder too, but today he looked like he had been playing fortnite for a month. Gumiho was getting trashed by PartinG on ladder this morning as well. It really isn't always telling
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On August 18 2018 15:36 dave81 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:24 JoeCool wrote: It's been quite a while since Innovation lived up to his status. I personally feel since he left the skt team house he is overrated from past accomplishments. This year he has 2 ro16 finishes and 1 ro8. He was a very good player but know he is no longer a top contender. well you are wrong
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I think Innovation started crumbling after losing to Rogue in RO4 GSL Super Tournaments II last year. Since then, he was no longer in God mode.
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be me check LB's fucking shitballs fetal position try to cheer for a Korean zerg cry play wow
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I think the only way for inno to make it to Blizzcon is by winning Super Tournament and for Trap and sOs to lose their groups.
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On August 18 2018 15:37 yht9657 wrote: No Innovation at Blizzcon it seems
I fear a retirement tweet
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On August 18 2018 15:33 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Not the first map to have easter eggs of the sort either. The tile art on Echo had symbols from Conway's Game of Life, and TLMC finalist Annihilation Station had numbers to do with electron shell numbers. theres one map that had SGTK on it somewhere cause he helped the guy test it I believe. one of those golden protossy looking ones
I think that's also Echo. SGTK helped test out the performance or something.
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It's not over (I hope) for inno imo but I think he's in a worse place than Rogue was last year before Blizzcon.
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On August 18 2018 15:39 Noonius wrote: be me check LB's fucking shitballs fetal position try to cheer for a Korean zerg cry play wow
TL Writers got me. They get you too? RIP
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On August 18 2018 15:40 Noonius wrote:I fear a retirement tweet
Meh he's had a good run, what with being the GOAT and all. Not to mention he sucks at Blizzcon anyway. It's like the lone environment he's never done great in.
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On August 18 2018 15:37 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:36 dave81 wrote:On August 18 2018 15:24 JoeCool wrote: It's been quite a while since Innovation lived up to his status. I personally feel since he left the skt team house he is overrated from past accomplishments. This year he has 2 ro16 finishes and 1 ro8. He was a very good player but know he is no longer a top contender. The year after he left skt he got 4 championships and a bucket load of top 8 finishes.
How many of those 4 where actual premier events? I know 1 was the GSL win was 1 blizzcon as well can't remember off the top of my head?. But it doesn't change this year's results which have been lackluster. This year the only thing he won was a homestory cup. And while it is a fun event for the community lets be real it isn't very highly regarded. Last year I would argue his results where based off of still being a sharpened blade from his team house. But over the past year no one can argue that he hasn't dulled.
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On August 18 2018 15:45 dave81 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:37 Fango wrote:On August 18 2018 15:36 dave81 wrote:On August 18 2018 15:24 JoeCool wrote: It's been quite a while since Innovation lived up to his status. I personally feel since he left the skt team house he is overrated from past accomplishments. This year he has 2 ro16 finishes and 1 ro8. He was a very good player but know he is no longer a top contender. The year after he left skt he got 4 championships and a bucket load of top 8 finishes. How many of those 4 where actual premier events? I know 1 was the GSL win was 1 blizzcon as well can't remember off the top of my head?. But it doesn't change this year's results which have been lackluster. This year the only thing he won was a homestory cup. And while it is a fun event for the community lets be real it isn't very highly regarded. Last year I would argue his results where based off of still being a sharpened blade from his team house. But over the past year no one can argue that he hasn't dulled. All of them. IEM Gyeonggi, SSL, GSL, GSL vs TW.
You cannot argue his wins last year were based on his form from the team house. During his last year on SKT, his best result in anything was a single ro16 in SSL, where he went 0-4.
He was so irrelevant during the last year of SKT that people have completely forgotten about it.
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On August 18 2018 15:45 dave81 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:37 Fango wrote:On August 18 2018 15:36 dave81 wrote:On August 18 2018 15:24 JoeCool wrote: It's been quite a while since Innovation lived up to his status. I personally feel since he left the skt team house he is overrated from past accomplishments. This year he has 2 ro16 finishes and 1 ro8. He was a very good player but know he is no longer a top contender. The year after he left skt he got 4 championships and a bucket load of top 8 finishes. How many of those 4 where actual premier events? I know 1 was the GSL win was 1 blizzcon as well can't remember off the top of my head?. But it doesn't change this year's results which have been lackluster. This year the only thing he won was a homestory cup. And while it is a fun event for the community lets be real it isn't very highly regarded. Last year I would argue his results where based off of still being a sharpened blade from his team house. But over the past year no one can argue that he hasn't dulled.
GSL, GSL vs The World 2017, IEM Gyeonggi, and SSL season 2 2017
2017 was arguably his best year
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It sucks because I feel like Innovation was in pretty decent form for most of this year but was pretty unlucky.
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On August 18 2018 15:45 dave81 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:37 Fango wrote:On August 18 2018 15:36 dave81 wrote:On August 18 2018 15:24 JoeCool wrote: It's been quite a while since Innovation lived up to his status. I personally feel since he left the skt team house he is overrated from past accomplishments. This year he has 2 ro16 finishes and 1 ro8. He was a very good player but know he is no longer a top contender. The year after he left skt he got 4 championships and a bucket load of top 8 finishes. How many of those 4 where actual premier events? I know 1 was the GSL win was 1 blizzcon as well can't remember off the top of my head?. But it doesn't change this year's results which have been lackluster. This year the only thing he won was a homestory cup. And while it is a fun event for the community lets be real it isn't very highly regarded. Last year I would argue his results where based off of still being a sharpened blade from his team house. But over the past year no one can argue that he hasn't dulled. that would be pretty strange seeing as he probably had the worst year he ever had in 2016 while he was still on SKT, he had extremely strong results last year and was easily in the top 2-3 best players
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On August 18 2018 15:48 Anc13nt wrote: It sucks because I feel like Innovation was in pretty decent form for most of this year but was pretty unlucky.
Are you sure you're not getting him mixed up with Cure?
Easy mistake to make.
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when are we gonna see marauders again? And that big terran flying thing that has not been part of meta for years
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Ah ok thanks for the who's off the events he took down. Couldn't remember off the top of my head.
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On August 18 2018 15:49 Noonius wrote: when are we gonna see marauders again? And that big terran flying thing that has not been part of meta for years scouting factory?
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Gumiho has enough to defend this I think
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On August 18 2018 15:47 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:45 dave81 wrote:On August 18 2018 15:37 Fango wrote:On August 18 2018 15:36 dave81 wrote:On August 18 2018 15:24 JoeCool wrote: It's been quite a while since Innovation lived up to his status. I personally feel since he left the skt team house he is overrated from past accomplishments. This year he has 2 ro16 finishes and 1 ro8. He was a very good player but know he is no longer a top contender. The year after he left skt he got 4 championships and a bucket load of top 8 finishes. How many of those 4 where actual premier events? I know 1 was the GSL win was 1 blizzcon as well can't remember off the top of my head?. But it doesn't change this year's results which have been lackluster. This year the only thing he won was a homestory cup. And while it is a fun event for the community lets be real it isn't very highly regarded. Last year I would argue his results where based off of still being a sharpened blade from his team house. But over the past year no one can argue that he hasn't dulled. All of them. IEM Gyeonggi, SSL, GSL, GSL vs TW. You cannot argue his wins last year were based on his form from the team house. During his last year on SKT, his best result in anything was a single ro16 in SSL, where he went 0-4. He was so irrelevant during the last year of SKT that people have completely forgotten about it. i remember him losing in coda a to Dark lol, yeah that was a terrible year for inno
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die stupid nydus build die
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It's always annoyed me that Dark has some of the best ZvT lategame ever yet he tries these stupid cheesy builds so often.
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On August 18 2018 15:53 Fango wrote: It's always annoyed me that Dark has some of the best ZvT lategame ever yet he tries these stupid cheesy builds so often.
I think he just does it too vary his builds.Throw some deception into the mix so people cannot always predict what he will do.
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On August 18 2018 15:55 dave81 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:53 Fango wrote: It's always annoyed me that Dark has some of the best ZvT lategame ever yet he tries these stupid cheesy builds so often. I think he just does it too vary his builds.Throw some deception into the mix so people cannot always predict what he will do. I don't see any terran player beating him in the lategame though. Regardless if they know he's pushing for it.
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On August 18 2018 15:55 dave81 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:53 Fango wrote: It's always annoyed me that Dark has some of the best ZvT lategame ever yet he tries these stupid cheesy builds so often. I think he just does it too vary his builds.Throw some deception into the mix so people cannot always predict what he will do.
Throwing in some cheeses to stay unpredictable and thus strengthen your macro games is a worthwhile strategy. In the case of Dark he occasionally throws in excellent macro games to strengthen his cheese.
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On August 18 2018 15:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 15:55 dave81 wrote:On August 18 2018 15:53 Fango wrote: It's always annoyed me that Dark has some of the best ZvT lategame ever yet he tries these stupid cheesy builds so often. I think he just does it too vary his builds.Throw some deception into the mix so people cannot always predict what he will do. Throwing in some cheeses to stay unpredictable and thus strengthen your macro games is a worthwhile strategy. In the case of Dark he occasionally throws in excellent macro games to strengthen his cheese. Dark is hyvaa 2.0
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He will probably play a straight up game now though.
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No fifth base is so bad for Dark.
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feels like Gumiho is just getting to do whatever he wants
well that was good for dark
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Basetrade to save the day
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Whoa that was a 200 iq play lol.
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Who knew that it was this easy to beat mech terran while down a base.
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why were so many tanks unsieged? whats going on today, kinda frustrating to watch. dark should never be able to beat that army down 30 supply vs 18 spread out siege tanks
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On August 18 2018 16:12 IshinShishi wrote: why were so many tanks unsieged? whats going on today, kinda frustrating to watch Because you can't just sit there, you have to push forward at some point.
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On August 18 2018 16:12 IshinShishi wrote: why were so many tanks unsieged? whats going on today, kinda frustrating to watch. dark should never be able to beat that army down 30 supply vs 18 spread out siege tanks
That was hardly the big problem. Losing everything to the ling attack before was.
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lol what are those drones doing
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On August 18 2018 16:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 16:12 IshinShishi wrote: why were so many tanks unsieged? whats going on today, kinda frustrating to watch. dark should never be able to beat that army down 30 supply vs 18 spread out siege tanks That was hardly the big problem. Losing everything to the ling attack before was. Dark shouldnt be able to stop a decent leap frog, I dont think the ling attack was enough, it was a mech army 30 supply up vs mostly ling bane hydra
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On August 18 2018 16:12 IshinShishi wrote: why were so many tanks unsieged? whats going on today, kinda frustrating to watch. dark should never be able to beat that army down 30 supply vs 18 spread out siege tanks zerg imba
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Ambush Terran base when they are going to attack with the full mech armies.
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I feel like gumi today won the early and mid game in almost every game, then after he gets a considerably eco and army advantage he loses an engagement he shouldnt lose.
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MY BOY! Back to back ro8 with some craziness
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that build was insane!! i can't believe that worked lmao so awesome
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and yet again Dark gets beat by the player he picked into his group
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Rogue still the Korean alpha Zerg after all
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Great rush strategy. SCV + Hellbats + bunch of marines.
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gumigod indeed, naisu game
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Ro8. Maru vs Gumiho rematch, wow.
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On August 18 2018 16:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Rogue still the Korean alpha Zerg after all Beat the worst player in the group amd won a ZvZ ;o
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To think Dark could have picked like Keen instead of Gumi
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GuMiho TvTing out Maru is the underwhelming result we all deserve.
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On August 18 2018 16:24 dummy1 wrote: Ro8. Maru vs Gumiho rematch, wow. is it a rematch? last season I'm pretty sure one of the quarter finals was TY-GuMiho which TY won 3-2
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Why did Dark pick Gumiho? Why? He had so many weaker players to choose from. Even if Dark was confident in his TvsZ, he could have picked Keen.
I keep running this through my head. Why would Dark pick Gumiho? Why does he keep creating all those groups of deaths to screw himself over?
Why, Dark, why?
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gumi can take maru down, I'd say it's 60/40 in Maru's favor at best
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On August 18 2018 16:26 xelnaga_empire wrote: Why did Dark pick Gumiho? Why? He had so many weaker players to choose from. Even if Dark was confident in his TvsZ, he could have picked Keen.
I keep running this through my head. Why would Dark pick Gumiho? Why does he keep creating all those groups of deaths to screw himself over?
Why, Dark, why? Dark does this every season, I'm not sure why anyone is surprised when he picks stupidly hard groups
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On August 18 2018 16:25 starkiller123 wrote:is it a rematch? last season I'm pretty sure one of the quarter finals was TY-GuMiho which TY won 3-2 2017 gsl s2 maru 2-4 gumiho.
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On August 18 2018 16:24 Fango wrote: To think Dark could have picked like Keen instead of Gumi
Exactly. Even if Dark was confident in his TvsZ, just pick Keen instead of Gumiho!
Dark 100% deserves this. It was good for him to lose because he does this to himself. How can you be a top player "inside" the game but "outside" the game, you make stupid decisions that sabotage your own tournament results?
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On August 18 2018 16:27 dummy1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 16:25 starkiller123 wrote:On August 18 2018 16:24 dummy1 wrote: Ro8. Maru vs Gumiho rematch, wow. is it a rematch? last season I'm pretty sure one of the quarter finals was TY-GuMiho which TY won 3-2 2017 gsl s2 maru 2-4 gumiho. ah ok yes i forgot about that, to be fair by now most ro8 and on matches are probably rematches
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On August 18 2018 16:24 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 16:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Rogue still the Korean alpha Zerg after all Beat the worst player in the group amd won a ZvZ ;o
after also finishing higher than Dark in the previous season against superior opponents and only narrowly falling to the champ ;o
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so rogue gets a bye, who will he face?
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Another TvT for GuMiho He wins one GSL off his TvT then gets eliminated from 3 GSLs by TvT
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Difficult year for Dark and Innovation fans
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On August 18 2018 16:26 xelnaga_empire wrote: Why did Dark pick Gumiho? Why? He had so many weaker players to choose from. Even if Dark was confident in his TvsZ, he could have picked Keen.
I keep running this through my head. Why would Dark pick Gumiho? Why does he keep creating all those groups of deaths to screw himself over?
Why, Dark, why? Probably because he thinks he's superior (Dark always is pretty confident, so much that it often can be seen as arrogant) so he just picked him for fun or because he doesn't like him (they didn't shake hands after all).
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Btw the match between Maru and Gumiho will be postponed, right? Because Maru will play Asian Games.
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On August 18 2018 16:27 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 16:26 xelnaga_empire wrote: Why did Dark pick Gumiho? Why? He had so many weaker players to choose from. Even if Dark was confident in his TvsZ, he could have picked Keen.
I keep running this through my head. Why would Dark pick Gumiho? Why does he keep creating all those groups of deaths to screw himself over?
Why, Dark, why? Dark does this every season, I'm not sure why anyone is surprised when he picks stupidly hard groups
It's so weird. He is a pro gamer. Him getting further in tournaments means he gets more money, more prestige, and even more sponsor interest!
Dark doesn't have a sponsor now. He doesn't get as far in the GSL, given his skill level. He keeps sabotaging his own career.
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On August 18 2018 16:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2018 16:24 Ej_ wrote:On August 18 2018 16:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Rogue still the Korean alpha Zerg after all Beat the worst player in the group amd won a ZvZ ;o after also finishing higher than Dark in the previous season against superior opponents and only narrowly falling to the champ ;o Last season he literally beat INnoVation twice in ro16 :D.
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On August 18 2018 16:26 xelnaga_empire wrote: Why did Dark pick Gumiho? Why? He had so many weaker players to choose from. Even if Dark was confident in his TvsZ, he could have picked Keen.
I keep running this through my head. Why would Dark pick Gumiho? Why does he keep creating all those groups of deaths to screw himself over?
Why, Dark, why?
I heard somebody said that he wanted to be the best player among the seconds of all the time,
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GSL cheer kr / dark will rise again /reynor "i am not gonna tell" lel
GSL cheer terrific terrans and superbes sarmasster pumped up for starcraft
GSL Artosis GSL Champions
GSL tastosis ASMR
GSL smaller cans in korea / audience kr
GSL girl / small cans / cheer we must construct additional PILE ON everyone get in here
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GSL cheer kr / bald guy
GSL cheer kr
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GSL Tasteless dropped the ball
GSL cheer kr 3
GSL Rogue interview
GSL cheer kr 4
GSL Artosis rogue is 71 drones
GSL tastosis aliens landing - innovation we are going home
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GSL GuMiho interview
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Gumiho ruined the ladder for Zergs in the coming weeks
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Dark would do much better in GSL if he never got first pick in groups selections. All three times he's had it he's lost to whoever he picks.
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On August 18 2018 16:37 Fango wrote: Dark would do much better in GSL if he never got first pick in groups selections. All three times he's had it he's lost to whoever he picks.
Because he doesn't pick the weakest player available. He goes and picks some of the hardest players to beat.
Maybe he is rich, I dunno. But even if Dark is rich and doesn't need the money, since he is a pro SC2 player, wouldn't he want to get further in the GSL and eventually win one?
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On August 18 2018 16:26 xelnaga_empire wrote: Why did Dark pick Gumiho? Why? He had so many weaker players to choose from. Even if Dark was confident in his TvsZ, he could have picked Keen. No, he couldn't have picked KeeN because Stats got to pick before Dark. But Dark wanted to play a Terran.
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Dark's hubris screws him out of another GSL lol
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Maru did beat Gumiho 2-0 in Ro16 of GSL S1. Keen almost beat him though if it wasn't proxy reapers lol. So Gumi being the TvT god that he is, has a real good possibility of knocking Maru out. And if Maru has one matchup that can be considered his weakest, it's TvT.
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On August 18 2018 17:10 Kommander wrote: And if Maru has one matchup that can be considered his weakest, it's TvT. There's no proof of that, and Maru said he'd rather play a Terran from this group than a Zerg.
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Today's GSL was so odd. Glad Gumi advanced, sad for Dark.
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On August 18 2018 17:10 Kommander wrote: Maru did beat Gumiho 2-0 in Ro16 of GSL S1. Keen almost beat him though if it wasn't proxy reapers lol. So Gumi being the TvT god that he is, has a real good possibility of knocking Maru out. And if Maru has one matchup that can be considered his weakest, it's TvT.
Considering how fast form is changing in SC2 we can say just about 0 about either players chances here.
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daaaamn! Gumi made it!... now vs Maru... hooooooly $#"#%#
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