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On March 04 2017 23:47 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 23:45 pvsnp wrote:If Dark can get roflstomped by inno it's not worth nerchio's time to even play him
Dark put up one hell of a fight, and was dead even for Inno most of the first game. Second he had a brief advantage but blew it. He didn't get roflstomped by Inno, he's the only Zerg who doesn't. Yeah, I'm guessing he just looked at the 2-0 score if he thought that was a roflstomp
I saw the games when they happened and Dark put up a good fight but it was just never enough. If they played a bo7 instead of bo3 it would have been a 4-1 at best. At least at that point
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 04 2017 23:44 Jacenoob wrote: I love the tournament and the casters but really... PvZ is autowin and TvP is autowin. What a joke.
Nah Stats beat Inno like a week ago.
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On March 04 2017 23:49 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 23:48 Charoisaur wrote:On March 04 2017 23:45 Nakajin wrote: Guys I am starting to think all the kespa environment thing was just bullshit and the team were actually detrimental to the Koreans. Because right now they are kicking ass so hard. But... what's then the reason why koreans are better than foreigners at sc2? Polt didn't have KeSPA. He still doesn't, he's retired and he's still playing really well on his streams. If he tried he can probably still beat most foreigners. avilo also wins a lot on his stream!
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On March 04 2017 23:48 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 23:45 Nakajin wrote: Guys I am starting to think all the kespa environment thing was just bullshit and the team were actually detrimental to the Koreans. Because right now they are kicking ass so hard. But... what's then the reason why koreans are better than foreigners at sc2? They save time by having not to eat.
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the gap is closing... LOL
The gap is the Grand Canyon at this point.
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guys, usually things aren't affected by just one factor
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On March 04 2017 23:49 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 23:48 Charoisaur wrote:On March 04 2017 23:45 Nakajin wrote: Guys I am starting to think all the kespa environment thing was just bullshit and the team were actually detrimental to the Koreans. Because right now they are kicking ass so hard. But... what's then the reason why koreans are better than foreigners at sc2? Polt didn't have KeSPA. He still doesn't, he's retired and he's still playing really well on his streams. If he tried he can probably still beat most foreigners.
Polt was no where near as good as the top Kespa players though, not for a last few years anyway
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On March 04 2017 23:44 Jacenoob wrote: I love the tournament and the casters but really... PvZ is autowin and TvP is autowin. What a joke. xd
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To be fair I've been mainly absent the last couple years, but besides that one neeb Kespa cup run has anyone ever thought the best foreigners were on the level of the absolute top Koreans? Pretty sure that's never been arguable, ever. Even during neebs Kespa cup victory.
Pretty sure its more like are the top foreigners capable of consistently beating code s players in general.
Nerchio getting roflstomped in his worst matchup by the best protoss doesn't really change that, and we've seen good performances from uthermal, Showtime, and nerchio earlier.
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On March 04 2017 23:49 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 23:49 geokilla wrote:On March 04 2017 23:48 Charoisaur wrote:On March 04 2017 23:45 Nakajin wrote: Guys I am starting to think all the kespa environment thing was just bullshit and the team were actually detrimental to the Koreans. Because right now they are kicking ass so hard. But... what's then the reason why koreans are better than foreigners at sc2? Polt didn't have KeSPA. He still doesn't, he's retired and he's still playing really well on his streams. If he tried he can probably still beat most foreigners. avilo also wins a lot on his stream!
I win about half of my games on ladder. Yeah, I am that good
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Polt was no where near as good as the top Kespa players though, not for a last few years anyway
Through 2015 he was pretty damn close to them. Not GSL champion level maybe but definitely like Ro8.
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On March 04 2017 23:50 Penev wrote: guys, usually things aren't affected by just one factor Not only that. Just because there are no teamhouses anymore doesn't mean that the benefit from learning the game in one is completely gone now. That logic makes zero sense.
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On March 04 2017 23:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 23:50 Penev wrote: guys, usually things aren't affected by just one factor Not only that. Just because there are no teamhouses anymore doesn't mean that the benefit from learning the game in one is completely gone now. That logic makes zero sense. indeed
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 04 2017 23:51 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +Polt was no where near as good as the top Kespa players though, not for a last few years anyway
Through 2015 he was pretty damn close to them. Not GSL champion level maybe but definitely like Ro8.
Heard a story that Rain swore Polt was a God after barely beating him at Blizzcon.
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I wonder if they also have input lag and max 60 fps
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On March 04 2017 23:50 Pandain wrote: To be fair I've been mainly absent the last couple years, but besides that one neeb Kespa cup run has anyone ever thought the best foreigners were on the level of the absolute top Koreans? Pretty sure that's never been arguable, ever. Even during neebs Kespa cup victory.
Pretty sure its more like are the top foreigners capable of consistently beating code s players in general.
Nerchio getting roflstomped in his worst matchup by the best protoss doesn't really change that, and we've seen good performances from uthermal, Showtime, and nerchio earlier. Foreigners are definitely better than in 2014-2015 whether it's because they got better or because koreans got worse is arguable. But still, the very top players (Inno, Dark, Stats, Byun etc. are in a class of their own.
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On March 04 2017 23:53 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2017 23:51 pvsnp wrote:Polt was no where near as good as the top Kespa players though, not for a last few years anyway
Through 2015 he was pretty damn close to them. Not GSL champion level maybe but definitely like Ro8. Heard a story that Rain swore Polt was a God after barely beating him at Blizzcon. It's just because Terran was litterally BL/infestor
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On March 04 2017 23:51 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +Polt was no where near as good as the top Kespa players though, not for a last few years anyway
Through 2015 he was pretty damn close to them. Not GSL champion level maybe but definitely like Ro8.
You think? He would just about win against foreigners/koreigners. just about. If he was in GSL I can't see him getting past ro16
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On March 04 2017 23:51 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +Polt was no where near as good as the top Kespa players though, not for a last few years anyway
Through 2015 he was pretty damn close to them. Not GSL champion level maybe but definitely like Ro8. Nah. 2015 Polt was pretty weak all year (his WCS win was somewhat out of nowhere) and then at Blizzcon he was suddenly on the same level as Rain.
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On March 04 2017 23:53 Alchemik wrote: I wonder if they also have input lag and max 60 fps This game runs at more than 60fps? :p
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