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Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
August 12 2016 18:09 GMT
#521
On August 13 2016 03:05 Luolis wrote:
This is new, i'm starting to hate my own race from watching sc2.


Sounds like its time to switch races and experience the other 2 races some :D
Its fun for sure to play them all
"If you don't know where you are going, you can never get lost."
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7165 Posts
August 12 2016 18:09 GMT
#522
On August 13 2016 03:08 las91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.


the P matchups are way more fun I agree

TvT looks the sameish and ZvT is worse in lotv IMO

I think TvT is like the worst matchup in the game now. Tankivacs broke the matchup so hard that when i get it on ladder nowadays i just tend to f10+n
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Vertigro
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom261 Posts
August 12 2016 18:09 GMT
#523
I'm really liking LoTV. There was just as much abuse in HoTS but everyone has rose tinted glasses on.
"..." - Greg 'IdrA' Fields +++ DeMuslim, Naniwa, Jaedong, Hero, Suppy! <3 <3
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 12 2016 18:09 GMT
#524
On August 13 2016 03:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Whats with the sudden resurgence of LotV haters today


At least the HotS swarm host lovers haven't popped up yet.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7165 Posts
August 12 2016 18:10 GMT
#525
On August 13 2016 03:09 Quateras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:05 Luolis wrote:
This is new, i'm starting to hate my own race from watching sc2.


Sounds like its time to switch races and experience the other 2 races some :D
Its fun for sure to play them all

I've played protoss fairly often for offrace. Sadly i thought Hots protoss was more fun to play than Lotv protoss. In general i don't really play that often anyway to go as far as to switch race anyway :D

Not to mention i always hated playing Z
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
dNa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany591 Posts
August 12 2016 18:10 GMT
#526
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.

well muta/ling/bane does have the possibility of a comeback soon since the queen buff, because Terrans kind of go for drops more now than for Liberator harass. I'm sure Zergs will pick up on that soon ;D
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 12 2016 18:10 GMT
#527
On August 13 2016 03:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Whats with the sudden resurgence of LotV haters today


At least the HotS swarm host lovers haven't popped up yet.

I miss getting to play aggressive SH tbh
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 12 2016 18:10 GMT
#528
On August 13 2016 03:09 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:08 las91 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.


the P matchups are way more fun I agree

TvT looks the sameish and ZvT is worse in lotv IMO

I think TvT is like the worst matchup in the game now. Tankivacs broke the matchup so hard that when i get it on ladder nowadays i just tend to f10+n


Ah yeah I can't speak about matchups I don't watch/play (hate mirror mu's, always have ). But tankivacs I have never been a fan of either. I would rather tanks get buffed a different way then how they are now.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 18:11:11
August 12 2016 18:11 GMT
#529
On August 13 2016 03:10 dNa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.

well muta/ling/bane does have the possibility of a comeback soon since the queen buff, because Terrans kind of go for drops more now than for Liberator harass. I'm sure Zergs will pick up on that soon ;D

there's literally 0 reasons to make mutalisks versus Terran
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 18:12:15
August 12 2016 18:11 GMT
#530
honestly anything is better than BL/infestor from 2012.

On August 13 2016 03:11 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:10 dNa wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.

well muta/ling/bane does have the possibility of a comeback soon since the queen buff, because Terrans kind of go for drops more now than for Liberator harass. I'm sure Zergs will pick up on that soon ;D

there's literally 0 reasons to make mutalisks versus Terran


I feel like 5-6 mutas to patrol/kill low medivacs would be interesting to see but probably too expensive
In Inca we trust
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 12 2016 18:11 GMT
#531
On August 13 2016 03:10 dNa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.

well muta/ling/bane does have the possibility of a comeback soon since the queen buff, because Terrans kind of go for drops more now than for Liberator harass. I'm sure Zergs will pick up on that soon ;D


Then Terran makes 4 liberators after he sees muta's. Some Terran did that to leenock in GSL. Don't have to have liberators out before mutas.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7165 Posts
August 12 2016 18:11 GMT
#532
On August 13 2016 03:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Whats with the sudden resurgence of LotV haters today

Welll, i've hated lotv since it was first announced. I just haven't been around the threads that often to say my mind about it
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7165 Posts
August 12 2016 18:12 GMT
#533
And the obligatory

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pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
dNa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany591 Posts
August 12 2016 18:12 GMT
#534
On August 13 2016 03:11 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:10 dNa wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.

well muta/ling/bane does have the possibility of a comeback soon since the queen buff, because Terrans kind of go for drops more now than for Liberator harass. I'm sure Zergs will pick up on that soon ;D

there's literally 0 reasons to make mutalisks versus Terran

I saw like 12 reasons fly arround Serral's base in the game we just watched mate
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
August 12 2016 18:12 GMT
#535
On August 13 2016 03:11 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:10 dNa wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.

well muta/ling/bane does have the possibility of a comeback soon since the queen buff, because Terrans kind of go for drops more now than for Liberator harass. I'm sure Zergs will pick up on that soon ;D


Then Terran makes 4 liberators after he sees muta's. Some Terran did that to leenock in GSL. Don't have to have liberators out before mutas.


He did kinda commit to a high amount of mutas, though. If Liberators become less common, maybe we can get tech swaps between mutas and corruptors depending
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
August 12 2016 18:12 GMT
#536
On August 13 2016 03:12 dNa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:11 Ej_ wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:10 dNa wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.

well muta/ling/bane does have the possibility of a comeback soon since the queen buff, because Terrans kind of go for drops more now than for Liberator harass. I'm sure Zergs will pick up on that soon ;D

there's literally 0 reasons to make mutalisks versus Terran

I saw like 12 reasons fly arround Serral's base in the game we just watched mate

make mutas to defend drops, die to the push
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
mqto
Profile Joined August 2011
54 Posts
August 12 2016 18:13 GMT
#537
Every zvt I have seen in the last few months have looked the same. Zerg tries to survive and rush to ultras. Little by little Zergs seems to learn to defend better against drops but the games are so boring compare to old ling+bling+muta style.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
August 12 2016 18:13 GMT
#538
On August 13 2016 03:12 dNa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:11 Ej_ wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:10 dNa wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.

well muta/ling/bane does have the possibility of a comeback soon since the queen buff, because Terrans kind of go for drops more now than for Liberator harass. I'm sure Zergs will pick up on that soon ;D

there's literally 0 reasons to make mutalisks versus Terran

I saw like 12 reasons fly arround Serral's base in the game we just watched mate

You get Corruptors vs those, atleast the money you invest into Corruptors doesn't suddenly disappear when Terran makes like 3 Liberators
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 12 2016 18:14 GMT
#539
On August 13 2016 03:12 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 03:12 dNa wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:11 Ej_ wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:10 dNa wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:07 blade55555 wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 Luolis wrote:
On August 13 2016 03:06 RaFox17 wrote:
Damn i hate Lotv ZvT. Speed vs. slow shit is not fun!

Yeah, lotv in general is just bad.


I disagree. While ZvT is worse in lotv entertainment wise (I miss muta/ling/bane ), I would say ZvP is way better then wol/hots. I would even say PvT is better as well (entertaining wise, I don't know about playing).

Only matchup I think got worse at least imo, is definitely ZvT.

well muta/ling/bane does have the possibility of a comeback soon since the queen buff, because Terrans kind of go for drops more now than for Liberator harass. I'm sure Zergs will pick up on that soon ;D

there's literally 0 reasons to make mutalisks versus Terran

I saw like 12 reasons fly arround Serral's base in the game we just watched mate

make mutas to defend drops, die to the push


That's why you make sure to spawn cross on Frost.
Knatterking
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany405 Posts
August 12 2016 18:14 GMT
#540
Showtime out? :'(
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