On August 14 2016 08:29 Nebuchad wrote:
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Well then your position is rational, but it doesn't go without saying at all. Part of why we got the 2015 system is because the community pushed for it. The 2016 system is the one who gets shit on, not region locking in general. There was no talk of WCS welfare in 2015, that system went swimmingly.

I meant it goes without saying that:

On August 14 2016 08:23 Nebuchad wrote:
In that case you should also be sad that the pre2015 Koreans were banned

as in me personally not liking it.

And there might be less complaining about it if there were still Koreans at weekend tournaments, but who knows.

Honestly though, is there really that much complaining to begin with really, are you sure that it isn't just a few vocal people? Just like there used to be a few people who posted stuff like "Oh, only Koreans left in the tournament, time to stop watching." back then.

If nobody speaks against them, then "a few vocal people" become the voice of the community.

So I'm speaking against them.

The truth is that it feels more "welfare" than last year because there are more tournaments where this region locking actually applies. Last year we had three seasons which are these championships now, additionally we now have other "weekend" wcs tournaments region locked as well. That wasn't a thing last year. That's the reason people shout these statements. Another truth is (probably) that if it wasn't for that region lock we probably wouldn't have sc2 at any dreamhack/IEM this year.

There aren't more tournaments where it applies, there are less tournaments where it doesn't apply.

Obviously the whole system changed and weekend tournaments is all what is left of wcs, but looking at it from the "more region locked tournaments" pov is totally valid.

This sentence explains why it isn't valid, then concludes that it is valid anyway...

Because it is. What really changed is basically three wcs seasons becoming three championships AND the rest of weekend tournaments deciding to region lock (they were part of wcs last season as well).
Foreigners got more "region locked stuff" to play in, koreans got less tournaments to play in. That's what actually happened.

Again, the WCS system is gone, as you said. What you see this year is a replacement, not an accumulation. Koreans got less tournaments to play in, but foreigners didn't get more to play in, they just got a different set of tournaments. There was more WCS foreigner content last year than there is this year.

I simply tried to explain why people say these things. From an outside look all the weekend tournaments which weren't region locked last year are region locked now. And yeah sure there was more last year because they were more totally open wcs tournaments last year, but that's not the point, is it?

And I explained to you why people are wrong to say it: because it takes this lack of global tournaments and pretends it's an overflow in foreigner only tournaments, which it is not.

Phredxor

New Zealand15076 Posts

August 14 2016 00:22 GMT

#3183

Lol this looks ridiculous.

Penev

28536 Posts

August 14 2016 00:22 GMT

#3184

my sig so bad

[PkF] Wire

France24239 Posts

August 14 2016 00:22 GMT

#3185

Drogo just can't fight libs

Deathstar

9150 Posts

August 14 2016 00:23 GMT

#3186

get liberated drogo. Tilt much?

royalroadweed

United States8301 Posts

August 14 2016 00:23 GMT

#3187

Captain America bringing the liberty.

Cricketer12

United States14003 Posts

August 14 2016 00:23 GMT

#3188

On August 14 2016 09:22 Penev wrote:
my sig so bad

as long as we get rid of adepts as well plz...

Solar424

United States4001 Posts

August 14 2016 00:23 GMT

#3189

On August 14 2016 09:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Drogo just can't fight libs

Not many toss players can

Elentos

55594 Posts

August 14 2016 00:23 GMT

#3190

On August 14 2016 09:21 Cricketer12 wrote:

Show nested quote +

oh, elentos does shitpost

The truth must be spoken. Stork has lost more shuttles and prisms in his life for no reason than most other pros combined I'm pretty sure.

ZigguratOfUr

Iraq16955 Posts

August 14 2016 00:24 GMT

#3191

I think it's unfair to say Drogo is tilting. He hasn't been able to win late game PvT at any point in LotV.

Superbanana

2369 Posts

August 14 2016 00:24 GMT

#3192

I cannot shitpost without a lore, in 2014 we had the battle for the tittle of king of kongs, Taeja during winter and retiring, Life lings... all i have now is Zest's body.

ArtyK

France3144 Posts

August 14 2016 00:24 GMT

#3193

On August 14 2016 09:23 Solar424 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Not many toss players can

neeb and showtime seemed to be doing fine vs polt

[PkF] Wire

France24239 Posts

August 14 2016 00:24 GMT

#3194

just remove tempests and lib range

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

August 14 2016 00:24 GMT

#3195

On August 14 2016 09:24 Superbanana wrote:
I cannot shitpost without a lore, in 2014 we had the batytle for the tittle of king of kongs, Taeja during winter and retiring, Life lings... all i have now is Zest's body.

Which you have to share.