EPTCome on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high.
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12376 Posts
Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high. | ||
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Elentos
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On June 16 2016 21:30 Nebuchad wrote: Come on let's not pretend like you don't see where he is coming from. I think it's dumb to hate Byun for it but the probability is fairly high. It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung, which is still a very realistic option, it just makes you look like assholes. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12376 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:32 Elentos wrote: It's bullshit to accuse them of matchfixing (yes, that's what it would be) because you saw them have friendly chats a few times. And if he doesn't join Samsung it just makes you look like assholes. All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:36 Nebuchad wrote: All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself. How about we at least wait for him to join the team before we start throwing around the matchfixing stuff. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12376 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:38 Vedeynevin wrote: How about we at least wait for him to join the team before we start throwing around the matchfixing stuff. I'm not throwing anything around. I don't want anything to be done about it, and I think it's kind of stupid to expect any player to do anything else in that specific situation. I'm just saying that it's foolish to pretend that it doesn't look like it when it obviously looks like it. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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Penev
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:36 Nebuchad wrote: All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself. If it is not an implicit accusation of match-fixing then I don't see where Diabolique is coming from either. If you want to accuse somebody of match-fixing then you need some actual evidence. Until then we should go with the less insidious assumption that Byun played poorly because he didn't care because he had already qualified. | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:36 Nebuchad wrote: All right let's pretend like you don't see where he is coming from then. Suit yourself. Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily. On June 16 2016 21:38 Diabolique wrote: Anyway, it was great to hear Artosis talk about ByuN joining Samsung, otherwise nobody could have any clue ... well, a pity, they did not play at the beginning of the day, but whatever, the next week's group will be awesome! I am just sad for Rogue. Maybe, Dear should have played against Rogue first, win and then everything would have been fine. Artosis was just making a guess, he doesn't have any insider info. So you actually still don't have any clue. | ||
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Penev
28512 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaaand just after the broadcast finishes, i can access this website again. Just my luck. Pretty fun day though, jjakji was making it interesting with his "i dont give a fuck builds" Hmm weird, I wonder if others had the same problem. It worked fine for me now but I and some others were experiencing the same thing recently. I notified TL but got no response. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/509843-tl-down-for-some-during-gsl | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:40 Penev wrote: It's just the weakness of this system guys. It can have games in it where one of the players doesn't need to win. I know, it was the same like Cure vs Trap in one group, they played at the very beginning, each of them won their away map, a little bit stupid, but playing first against each other is the best that can be done. It is certainly a disadvantage of the system. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12376 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:41 Elentos wrote: Did I say I don't see it? I'm just saying he could very well be wrong and he's accusing them of match-fixing. And I don't know if you know, but match-fixing is kind of a huge deal and those accusations shouldn't be thrown around so easily. The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either. | ||
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Durnuu
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On June 16 2016 21:40 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaaand just after the broadcast finishes, i can access this website again. Just my luck. Pretty fun day though, jjakji was making it interesting with his "i dont give a fuck builds" I also had the issue on my computer. My phone accessed TL just fine though | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:43 Penev wrote: Hmm weird, I wonder if others had the same problem. It worked fine for me now but I and some others were experiencing the same thing recently. I notified TL but got no response. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/509843-tl-down-for-some-during-gsl It's a coincidence, R1CH just fixed it | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:44 Nebuchad wrote: The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either. Thank you for describing it so politely, I absolutely agree. Nobody is considering ByuN a matchfixer, nobody is saying, he throwed the game. It is just the thing, when you play against your team mate or a future team mate, you do not give it 100%. | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:44 Nebuchad wrote: The system acknowledges that players will do that when they are put in the situation by making players of the same team play each other first. If we really expected players to not do this type of stuff when they are in this type of situation, there would be no need to change the order of the games. There is such a need, because players have huge incentive to do exactly that. This "accusation" is just that Byun might have done what any other player would have done. It's not a big deal at all, but there's no reason to act blind either. Losing games on purpose is a big deal. You're not allowed to lose on purpose and if you do, KeSPA will take your head if they can prove it. Oh right, ByuN was seen talking to Stork and Dear on camera, well I guess he's fucked. On June 16 2016 21:47 Diabolique wrote: Thank you for describing it so politely, I absolutely agree. Nobody is considering ByuN a matchfixer, nobody is saying, he throwed the game. It is just the thing, when you play against your team mate or a future team mate, you do not give it 100%. What is this then? On June 16 2016 21:22 Diabolique wrote: So after the last game, I do not like ByuN anymore. To me that looks like you're saying he lost on purpose. But I'll make sure to laugh at you should ByuN not join Samsung. | ||
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Penev
28512 Posts
Pff, I guess I shouldn't post in website feedback | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
He was probably planning on advancing by preparing for TvT & TvZs anyway | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12376 Posts
On June 16 2016 21:48 Elentos wrote: Losing games on purpose is a big deal. You're not allowed to lose on purpose and if you do, KeSPA will take your head if they can prove it. Oh right, ByuN was seen talking to Stork and Dear on camera, well I guess he's fucked. Well no of course he's not fucked, like you said, because you can't prove it. And if you could prove it, I don't think he should be fucked for that. | ||
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