On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
Nope.
On June 01 2016 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:47 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
Or just vote to predict a 2-0, and no one gets points if it goes 1-1.
So like I bet on Bomber > Hush, Bomber wins 2-0 so I get 1 point. I also bet on TY > Cure, but that goes 1-1, so no one gets points for that. It'd be the same as any other Liquibet for a match except you have to invalidate the ties.
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
Nope.
On June 01 2016 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:47 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
Or just vote to predict a 2-0, and no one gets points if it goes 1-1.
So like I bet on Bomber > Hush, Bomber wins 2-0 so I get 1 point. I also bet on TY > Cure, but that goes 1-1, so no one gets points for that. It'd be the same as any other Liquibet for a match except you have to invalidate the ties.
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
Nope.
On June 01 2016 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:47 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
Or just vote to predict a 2-0, and no one gets points if it goes 1-1.
So like I bet on Bomber > Hush, Bomber wins 2-0 so I get 1 point. I also bet on TY > Cure, but that goes 1-1, so no one gets points for that. It'd be the same as any other Liquibet for a match except you have to invalidate the ties.
I think, that would be tooooo many bets for such small matches. Then I would prefer doing for each group 6 bets, with the names of the players and 2 options: A. Advances B. Doesn't advance.
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
Nope.
On June 01 2016 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:47 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
Or just vote to predict a 2-0, and no one gets points if it goes 1-1.
So like I bet on Bomber > Hush, Bomber wins 2-0 so I get 1 point. I also bet on TY > Cure, but that goes 1-1, so no one gets points for that. It'd be the same as any other Liquibet for a match except you have to invalidate the ties.
I think, that would be tooooo many bets for such small matches. Then I would prefer doing for each group 6 bets, with the names of the players and 2 options: A. Advances B. Doesn't advance.
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
Nope.
On June 01 2016 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:47 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
Or just vote to predict a 2-0, and no one gets points if it goes 1-1.
So like I bet on Bomber > Hush, Bomber wins 2-0 so I get 1 point. I also bet on TY > Cure, but that goes 1-1, so no one gets points for that. It'd be the same as any other Liquibet for a match except you have to invalidate the ties.
I think, that would be tooooo many bets for such small matches. Then I would prefer doing for each group 6 bets, with the names of the players and 2 options: A. Advances B. Doesn't advance.
yea this is my favorite solution
It is not a good solution, because it is not the solution "either or", people could click all 6 players and get 3 points for sure, or if there is a group with 4 favorites (like now TY, Trap, soO, Cure), they could click these 4 and probably get from it 5 points guaranteed. But that would be the easiest way to code the liquibets.
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
Nope.
On June 01 2016 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:47 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
Or just vote to predict a 2-0, and no one gets points if it goes 1-1.
So like I bet on Bomber > Hush, Bomber wins 2-0 so I get 1 point. I also bet on TY > Cure, but that goes 1-1, so no one gets points for that. It'd be the same as any other Liquibet for a match except you have to invalidate the ties.
I think, that would be tooooo many bets for such small matches. Then I would prefer doing for each group 6 bets, with the names of the players and 2 options: A. Advances B. Doesn't advance.
yea this is my favorite solution
It is not a good solution, because it is not the solution "either or", people could click all 6 players and get 3 points for sure, or if there is a group with 4 favorites (like now TY, Trap, soO, Cure), they could click these 4 and probably get from it 5 points guaranteed. But that would be the easiest way to code the liquibets.
oh right lol, can't do negative points on Liquibets
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
Nope.
On June 01 2016 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:47 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
Or just vote to predict a 2-0, and no one gets points if it goes 1-1.
So like I bet on Bomber > Hush, Bomber wins 2-0 so I get 1 point. I also bet on TY > Cure, but that goes 1-1, so no one gets points for that. It'd be the same as any other Liquibet for a match except you have to invalidate the ties.
I think, that would be tooooo many bets for such small matches. Then I would prefer doing for each group 6 bets, with the names of the players and 2 options: A. Advances B. Doesn't advance.
yea this is my favorite solution
It is not a good solution, because it is not the solution "either or", people could click all 6 players and get 3 points for sure, or if there is a group with 4 favorites (like now TY, Trap, soO, Cure), they could click these 4 and probably get from it 5 points guaranteed. But that would be the easiest way to code the liquibets.
oh right lol, can't do negative points on Liquibets
How about just voting on top 2? Or letting me have a look at the code, maybe it can be done right...
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
Nope.
On June 01 2016 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:47 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
Or just vote to predict a 2-0, and no one gets points if it goes 1-1.
So like I bet on Bomber > Hush, Bomber wins 2-0 so I get 1 point. I also bet on TY > Cure, but that goes 1-1, so no one gets points for that. It'd be the same as any other Liquibet for a match except you have to invalidate the ties.
I think, that would be tooooo many bets for such small matches. Then I would prefer doing for each group 6 bets, with the names of the players and 2 options: A. Advances B. Doesn't advance.
yea this is my favorite solution
It is not a good solution, because it is not the solution "either or", people could click all 6 players and get 3 points for sure, or if there is a group with 4 favorites (like now TY, Trap, soO, Cure), they could click these 4 and probably get from it 5 points guaranteed. But that would be the easiest way to code the liquibets.
Ok how about this ? Have 6 options Ask people to select 3 out of six and then vote + 1 point for each player who advance
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
Nope.
On June 01 2016 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:47 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
Or just vote to predict a 2-0, and no one gets points if it goes 1-1.
So like I bet on Bomber > Hush, Bomber wins 2-0 so I get 1 point. I also bet on TY > Cure, but that goes 1-1, so no one gets points for that. It'd be the same as any other Liquibet for a match except you have to invalidate the ties.
I think, that would be tooooo many bets for such small matches. Then I would prefer doing for each group 6 bets, with the names of the players and 2 options: A. Advances B. Doesn't advance.
yea this is my favorite solution
It is not a good solution, because it is not the solution "either or", people could click all 6 players and get 3 points for sure, or if there is a group with 4 favorites (like now TY, Trap, soO, Cure), they could click these 4 and probably get from it 5 points guaranteed. But that would be the easiest way to code the liquibets.
Ok how about this ? Have 6 options Ask people to select 3 out of six and then vote + 1 point for each player who advance
This question was here already ... the system doesn't support it.
On June 01 2016 18:51 WGT-Baal wrote: Hush advancing would be the biggest upset if the year
A man can dream! Can t be worse than bunny in code A anyway
actually given the format it probably wouldn't be that hard. Since it's round robin and you're only playing an opponent on two maps, you could probably eek out some nice wins and have a bunch of 6-4 5-5 4-6 records and manage to win based on ties
On June 01 2016 18:51 WGT-Baal wrote: Hush advancing would be the biggest upset if the year
A man can dream! Can t be worse than bunny in code A anyway
actually given the format it probably wouldn't be that hard. Since it's round robin and you're only playing an opponent on two maps, you could probably eek out some nice wins and have a bunch of 6-4 5-5 4-6 records and manage to win based on ties
Yeah but in a group like this, Hush shouldn't get together an average end record. And even if he did, one would expect some of TY, Cure, Trap, soO, Bomber to finish above average.
On June 01 2016 22:40 Wolf wrote: Valdes and I are going to do a super relaxed chill cast like we did with Moonglade for the qualifiers for SSL long ago. Hope you guys enjoy!
I guess that's the only way to stay sane through that many games.
On June 01 2016 22:40 Wolf wrote: Valdes and I are going to do a super relaxed chill cast like we did with Moonglade for the qualifiers for SSL long ago. Hope you guys enjoy!
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
Nope.
On June 01 2016 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:47 Elentos wrote:
On June 01 2016 04:45 Seeker wrote: I have no f*ing way to make liquibets for this. Let's just enjoy the matches.
Does the system not account for groups of 6 with 3 players advancing?
or is there a way to have 3 options for Player A, Player B, Tie for each matchup?
I don't understand.
each match can be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 if I understand the format right because it's "best of 2". So you could make an individual liquibet for every matchup in each grouping and have it be Player A, Player B, or 1-1 Tie as the options if somehow possible.
Or just vote to predict a 2-0, and no one gets points if it goes 1-1.
So like I bet on Bomber > Hush, Bomber wins 2-0 so I get 1 point. I also bet on TY > Cure, but that goes 1-1, so no one gets points for that. It'd be the same as any other Liquibet for a match except you have to invalidate the ties.
I think, that would be tooooo many bets for such small matches. Then I would prefer doing for each group 6 bets, with the names of the players and 2 options: A. Advances B. Doesn't advance.
lol, the only way this would ever be possible if R1CH all of a sudden decided to drop all his current projects and re-code liquibets.
This is an interesting format with "away" maps counting for more than "home" maps if it comes down to a tiebreaker. The best part of the liiquipedia entry is: "The bottom 3 of each group are eliminated and may qualify through following season's qualifiers", which is presumably a good 6-7 months away.
On June 01 2016 22:40 Wolf wrote: Valdes and I are going to do a super relaxed chill cast like we did with Moonglade for the qualifiers for SSL long ago. Hope you guys enjoy!
Awesome, i loved that day of casting, it was was gold.
On June 02 2016 10:38 Nebuchad wrote: People from Europe will complain about this as if that didn't mean they had to stay up until 6am instead of 10am o/
If that was a regular thing, I would complain. Four times, we can survive it.
It'd be so cool if Bomber just went 2013 OSL mode and totally shat on this group like when he owned Bbyong, Flash, and Bogus in the TvT group of death.
On June 02 2016 11:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: It'd be so cool if Bomber just went 2013 OSL mode and totally shat on this group like when he owned Bbyong, Flash, and Bogus in the TvT group of death.
Bomber's not afraid of any player except for that one zerg player who will not be named
On June 02 2016 11:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: It'd be so cool if Bomber just went 2013 OSL mode and totally shat on this group like when he owned Bbyong, Flash, and Bogus in the TvT group of death.
Bomber's not afraid of any player except for that one zerg player who will not be named
On June 02 2016 11:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: It'd be so cool if Bomber just went 2013 OSL mode and totally shat on this group like when he owned Bbyong, Flash, and Bogus in the TvT group of death.
Bomber's not afraid of any player except for that one zerg player who will not be named
On June 02 2016 11:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: It'd be so cool if Bomber just went 2013 OSL mode and totally shat on this group like when he owned Bbyong, Flash, and Bogus in the TvT group of death.
Bomber's not afraid of any player except for that one zerg player who will not be named
Why should Scarlett not be named? :-)
Why would Bomber be afraid of Scarlett?
Isn't that his nightmare? When he wakes up in the middle of the night and hears voices whisper "borrowed banelings, borrowed banelings" ...
On June 02 2016 11:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: It'd be so cool if Bomber just went 2013 OSL mode and totally shat on this group like when he owned Bbyong, Flash, and Bogus in the TvT group of death.
Bomber's not afraid of any player except for that one zerg player who will not be named
Why should Scarlett not be named? :-)
Why would Bomber be afraid of Scarlett?
Isn't that his nightmare? When he wakes up in the middle of the night and hears voices whisper "borrowed banelings, borrowed banelings" ...
I'm sure beating her the last three times they've met has helped him sleep a bit
Even if you put the team players first they can still abuse the format. Give each other a win on their away maps, if they are more important than wins on home maps.
(Not to say this is happening right now obviously, just that it can be done)
On June 02 2016 13:20 Nebuchad wrote: Even if you put the team players first they can still abuse the format. Give each other a win on their away maps, if they are more important than wins on home maps.
(Not to say this is happening right now obviously, just that it can be done)
The way the format works, it's better (in a selfish way) to go 2-0 against your teammate than to go 1-1 and trade away maps.
On June 02 2016 13:55 geokilla wrote: Wait what the hell kind of format is this? I don't get it.
think of it as a double round robin group, instead of playing everyone once you do it twice, and winning on the opponents map picks are better for breaking a tie
On June 02 2016 13:55 geokilla wrote: Wait what the hell kind of format is this? I don't get it.
think of it as a double round robin group, instead of playing everyone once you do it twice, and winning on the opponents map picks are better for breaking a tie
I don't even know how one round robin goes, let alone double round robin...
Lol I wonder what they do when they're not playing. I guess they can spectate and see what the strategies being used are?
i know they're joking about away cheeses but wouldn't a home cheese be more likely? a specific cheese for your picked map, although i guess that doing an away cheese is good for messing up your opponents rhythm
On June 02 2016 14:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote: i know they're joking about away cheeses but wouldn't a home cheese be more likely? a specific cheese for your picked map, although i guess that doing an away cheese is good for messing up your opponents rhythm
It's a hype thing, there's actually no specific reason to cheese on away or home specifically.
On June 02 2016 14:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote: i know they're joking about away cheeses but wouldn't a home cheese be more likely? a specific cheese for your picked map, although i guess that doing an away cheese is good for messing up your opponents rhythm
It's a hype thing, there's actually no specific reason to cheese on away or home specifically.
i suppose that is true, but the fact that these are all best of 1s is awesome, so many unique strats and games :D
It would be useful if they put each player's current win/loss on screen next to their name so that we know how each player is doing and what winning or losing would do for them.
On June 02 2016 14:41 Solar424 wrote: It would be useful if they put each player's current win/loss on screen next to their name so that we know how each player is doing and what winning or losing would do for them.
This might have been said before but this format is like the bastard child of the Champions League playoff format and a typical round robin. 2 games per series, first tiebreaker is "away" wins.
On June 02 2016 16:31 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Almost an Idra gg
It was really early but it kinda makes sense. His 4th got cancelled, his natural was experiencing FREEDOM, his warp prism got killed for insignificant damage and he was out of position to defend his 3rd.
Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Still all to play for, most people have only played 1 map vs everyone, so still a full 5 games for everyone to go.
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Want to add this schedule/format is absolutely awful. Should have done smaller groups so can play back to back. Only have 4 booths and 6 players...Should have done 4 player groups with this game of schedule so it doesn't become silly.
On June 02 2016 16:50 Pandemona wrote: Want to add this schedule/format is absolutely awful. Should have done smaller groups so can play back to back. Only have 4 booths and 6 players...Should have done 4 player groups with this game of schedule so it doesn't become silly.
Personally I like the format. It's different and interesting. The schedule is pretty bad though--should have split each group over two days.
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Still all to play for, most people have only played 1 map vs everyone, so still a full 5 games for everyone to go.
Thanks, my vote for you was deserved
So there are more games at once and we see just one?
On June 02 2016 16:50 Pandemona wrote: Want to add this schedule/format is absolutely awful. Should have done smaller groups so can play back to back. Only have 4 booths and 6 players...Should have done 4 player groups with this game of schedule so it doesn't become silly.
Personally I like the format. It's different and interesting. The schedule is pretty bad though--should have split each group over two days.
Yeah or spread it over two days, but thats impossible due to S2SL schedule is every thursday only. Wow soO did good!!
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Still all to play for, most people have only played 1 map vs everyone, so still a full 5 games for everyone to go.
Thanks, my vote for you was deserved
So there are more games at once and we see just one?
Wolf at his best... "this attack is almost impossible to hold" 1 minute later: "that was a pretty bad attack by soO" I wish he wouldnt call stuff so early all the time...
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Still all to play for, most people have only played 1 map vs everyone, so still a full 5 games for everyone to go.
Thanks, my vote for you was deserved
So there are more games at once and we see just one?
No every game is streamed. It just really weird format. They show for example this TY vs soO game on TY home map, but then they will not play soO vs TY on soO home map until later on which confuses me xd
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Still all to play for, most people have only played 1 map vs everyone, so still a full 5 games for everyone to go.
Thanks, my vote for you was deserved
So there are more games at once and we see just one?
No every game is streamed. It just really weird format. They show for example this TY vs soO game on TY home map, but then they will not play soO vs TY on soO home map until later on which confuses me xd
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Still all to play for, most people have only played 1 map vs everyone, so still a full 5 games for everyone to go.
Thanks, my vote for you was deserved
So there are more games at once and we see just one?
No every game is streamed. It just really weird format. They show for example this TY vs soO game on TY home map, but then they will not play soO vs TY on soO home map until later on which confuses me xd
They are goingo to stream THIRTY games?
Yep. And four hours later, we're still not halfway through the 30
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Still all to play for, most people have only played 1 map vs everyone, so still a full 5 games for everyone to go.
Thanks, my vote for you was deserved
So there are more games at once and we see just one?
No every game is streamed. It just really weird format. They show for example this TY vs soO game on TY home map, but then they will not play soO vs TY on soO home map until later on which confuses me xd
They are goingo to stream THIRTY games?
Yep. And four hours later, we're still not halfway through the 30
They should stop taking 8 minute breaks every 3 games if they wanna go home some time today
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Still all to play for, most people have only played 1 map vs everyone, so still a full 5 games for everyone to go.
Thanks, my vote for you was deserved
So there are more games at once and we see just one?
No every game is streamed. It just really weird format. They show for example this TY vs soO game on TY home map, but then they will not play soO vs TY on soO home map until later on which confuses me xd
They are goingo to stream THIRTY games?
Yep. And four hours later, we're still not halfway through the 30
Good, I have literarly nothing else to do for the rest of the day, I am too broken by the flu to do any thinking
edit: the only little complaint is that I would enjoy better games than this
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Still all to play for, most people have only played 1 map vs everyone, so still a full 5 games for everyone to go.
Thanks, my vote for you was deserved
So there are more games at once and we see just one?
No every game is streamed. It just really weird format. They show for example this TY vs soO game on TY home map, but then they will not play soO vs TY on soO home map until later on which confuses me xd
They are goingo to stream THIRTY games?
Yep. And four hours later, we're still not halfway through the 30
Good, I have literarly nothing else to do for the rest of the day, I am too broken by the flu to do any thinking
The casters mentioned at the beginning, they are expecting 10-12 hours cast.
By the way, by this win, TY improved his score against the TOP Korean players in 2016 from 1-10 to 2-10. He is getting better!
On June 02 2016 16:47 opisska wrote: Ok, clicking the "results" spoiler didn't tell me ANYTHNG Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
Still all to play for, most people have only played 1 map vs everyone, so still a full 5 games for everyone to go.
Thanks, my vote for you was deserved
So there are more games at once and we see just one?
No every game is streamed. It just really weird format. They show for example this TY vs soO game on TY home map, but then they will not play soO vs TY on soO home map until later on which confuses me xd
They are goingo to stream THIRTY games?
Yep. And four hours later, we're still not halfway through the 30
Good, I have literarly nothing else to do for the rest of the day, I am too broken by the flu to do any thinking
The casters mentioned at the beginning, they are expecting 10-12 hours cast.
By the way, by this win, TY improved his score against the TOP Korean players in 2016 from 1-10 to 2-10. He is getting better!
It's only because of the amount of downtime though. With efficient switching between maps it really shouldn't last more than 8 hours.
On June 02 2016 17:05 Elentos wrote: I wonder how many more wins TY needs to go through guaranteed.
there are 30 wins possible, if you have 8, there is no way three other people have also 8, so 8 is pretty sure. Now imagine you had 7 and were fourth, it's not possible for the three above you to be nothing but 7-7-7, because two wins must me beteweet the 5. a 6. place, so you would have to lose a 4-way tie.
On June 02 2016 17:05 Elentos wrote: I wonder how many more wins TY needs to go through guaranteed.
there are 30 wins possible, if you have 8, there is no way three other people have also 8, so 8 is pretty sure. Now imagine you had 7 and were fourth, it's not possible for the three above you to be nothing but 7-7-7, because two wins must me beteweet the 5. a 6. place, so you would have to lose a 4-way tie.
yeah i'm just gonna wait till Trap v Hush at the end and then see the results lol
On June 02 2016 17:19 Pandemona wrote: Why did they split the games like this, my brain is actually hurting trying to find the logic of making it 30 bo1s instead of 15 bo2s straight up.
So they can take a break after 15 games but not be mid series.
On June 02 2016 17:19 Pandemona wrote: Why did they split the games like this, my brain is actually hurting trying to find the logic of making it 30 bo1s instead of 15 bo2s straight up.
I think it's to split up the broadcast and give players time to think of how to adapt
...with the super-strict rules KeSPA has on SC2, I find it quite funny that they had made Trap and Cure play both their games at the start to avoid possible teammates-fixes...
On June 02 2016 17:22 Elentos wrote: TY has 3 series where Dusk Towers is home and away map.
How are the maps decided?
You choose a "home map" and the other guy chooses an "away map". So just pick what you like. And if there's a tie wins on away maps count more. So like football.
On June 02 2016 17:22 Elentos wrote: TY has 3 series where Dusk Towers is home and away map.
How are the maps decided?
You choose a "home map" and the other guy chooses an "away map". So just pick what you like. And if there's a tie wins on away maps count more. So like football.
On June 02 2016 17:19 Pandemona wrote: Why did they split the games like this, my brain is actually hurting trying to find the logic of making it 30 bo1s instead of 15 bo2s straight up.
So they can take a break after 15 games but not be mid series.
On June 02 2016 17:19 Pandemona wrote: Why did they split the games like this, my brain is actually hurting trying to find the logic of making it 30 bo1s instead of 15 bo2s straight up.
I think it's to split up the broadcast and give players time to think of how to adapt
Broadcast might not be needed to split up as much this way i don't know. Home and Away map rulings and depending on when they announce them should give players more idea than 1 game they playing invader vs zerg then next king sejong in a TvT xd
On June 02 2016 17:22 Elentos wrote: TY has 3 series where Dusk Towers is home and away map.
How are the maps decided?
You choose a "home map" and the other guy chooses an "away map". So just pick what you like. And if there's a tie wins on away maps count more. So like football.
So Dusk Towers is good both for and against TY?
It's more like Dusk Towers is a decent map for TvT and TvP but it's also fine for PvT.
On June 02 2016 17:12 Soularion wrote: I think Maru/Zest 10-0ing would be crazier than TY 10-0ing. This group is pretty easy for a terran.
But you forget. TY is a loser.
OMG, some people are so stupid ... If you did not read it, by his win against soO, TY improved his score against the TOP Korean players from 1-9 to 2-9. I am just wondering, how you will at the end of this group call Trap, if he ends with the score 1-9.
On June 02 2016 17:12 Soularion wrote: I think Maru/Zest 10-0ing would be crazier than TY 10-0ing. This group is pretty easy for a terran.
But you forget. TY is a loser.
OMG, some people are so stupid ... If you did not read it, by his win against soO, TY improved his score against the TOP Korean players from 1-9 to 2-9. I am just wondering, how you will at the end of this group call Trap, if he ends with the score 1-9.
On June 02 2016 17:19 Pandemona wrote: Why did they split the games like this, my brain is actually hurting trying to find the logic of making it 30 bo1s instead of 15 bo2s straight up.
So they can take a break after 15 games but not be mid series.
On June 02 2016 17:19 Pandemona wrote: Why did they split the games like this, my brain is actually hurting trying to find the logic of making it 30 bo1s instead of 15 bo2s straight up.
I think it's to split up the broadcast and give players time to think of how to adapt
Broadcast might not be needed to split up as much this way i don't know. Home and Away map rulings and depending on when they announce them should give players more idea than 1 game they playing invader vs zerg then next king sejong in a TvT xd
On June 02 2016 17:12 Soularion wrote: I think Maru/Zest 10-0ing would be crazier than TY 10-0ing. This group is pretty easy for a terran.
But you forget. TY is a loser.
OMG, some people are so stupid ... If you did not read it, by his win against soO, TY improved his score against the TOP Korean players from 1-9 to 2-9. I am just wondering, how you will at the end of this group call Trap, if he ends with the score 1-9.
?
All i'm saying is he's a loser. Isn't that what you said?
On June 02 2016 17:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote: its funny when i first posted this thread people voted Trap and soO to advance and Cure not so much but it looks silly now
I picked TY, Cure and Trap. soO hasn't impressed at all this year.
Didn't expect Trap to shit the bed so hard though.
On June 02 2016 17:26 Nerchio wrote: Please bring me some zerg I can learn from finally? Dark?
Rogue is probably cooking up some goodies. Predicted him to be the lone Zerg to make it out of the 4 groups.
Imagine the expression on everyone's faces if Impact or Losira advance.
Wouldn't surprise me if Losira tin assed his way through like he did in GSL.
In GSL that was one thing. But against Maru, Zest, herO, Super and Reality? If he manages that he's some sort of bonjwa of getting tournament placements he shouldn't get.
On June 02 2016 17:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote: its funny when i first posted this thread people voted Trap and soO to advance and Cure not so much but it looks silly now
I picked TY, Cure and Trap. soO hasn't impressed at all this year.
Didn't expect Trap to shit the bed so hard though.
We should have seen it coming the moment he got 2-0'd by a Chinese Terran in Leifeng Cup.
On June 02 2016 17:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote: its funny when i first posted this thread people voted Trap and soO to advance and Cure not so much but it looks silly now
I picked TY, Cure and Trap. soO hasn't impressed at all this year.
Didn't expect Trap to shit the bed so hard though.
We should have seen it coming the moment he got 2-0'd by a Chinese Terran in Leifeng Cup.
On June 02 2016 17:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote: its funny when i first posted this thread people voted Trap and soO to advance and Cure not so much but it looks silly now
I picked TY, Cure and Trap. soO hasn't impressed at all this year.
Didn't expect Trap to shit the bed so hard though.
We should have seen it coming the moment he got 2-0'd by a Chinese Terran in Leifeng Cup.
Oh really? I didn't know that. Poor guy.
He finished 3rd in a group with Reality, Ein and MacSed.
On June 02 2016 17:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote: its funny when i first posted this thread people voted Trap and soO to advance and Cure not so much but it looks silly now
I picked TY, Cure and Trap. soO hasn't impressed at all this year.
Didn't expect Trap to shit the bed so hard though.
We should have seen it coming the moment he got 2-0'd by a Chinese Terran in Leifeng Cup.
Oh really? I didn't know that. Poor guy.
He finished 3rd in a group with Reality, Ein and MacSed.
Oh dear.
How can you expect to win PvP late game with this army composition..
Not the best game, but I would really like to highlight how trap kills a LOT of zealots by engaging, letting them charge, pulling back and then sending the disruptor balls into the now naturally clumping zealots. Good to see.
Only 14 games more ... that is sad ;-) I somehow hope for a miracle for Trap ... he is playing tomorrow his code A match against sOs, so it would be nice if he somehow won all his other games today ... which is not that probable :-(
On June 02 2016 17:57 Diabolique wrote: All these other games look so weird ... even the football. Why don't all these people better watch Starcraft?
People watching other people pretending to play a game that normal people watch being played physically is one of the most hysterical aspects of our esports culture
On June 02 2016 17:57 Diabolique wrote: All these other games look so weird ... even the football. Why don't all these people better watch Starcraft?
People watching other people pretending to play a game that normal people watch being played physically is one of the most hysterical aspects of our esports culture
On June 02 2016 18:15 Pandemona wrote: Bombers control wtf gold league XD
? if you send all medivacs away you can't do anything but walk the marines
What? He miss controlled and lost 20 marines to move command when harassing in TY base, which was game winning as he killed so many buildings aka production. However his whole 20 supply lead lost after that miss rally / move command. Then he walks marines home??? Instead of using the 8 medivacs he had. It was crazy how he could throw away that position.
On June 02 2016 18:15 Pandemona wrote: Bombers control wtf gold league XD
? if you send all medivacs away you can't do anything but walk the marines
What? He miss controlled and lost 20 marines to move command when harassing in TY base, which was game winning as he killed so many building. However his whole 20 supply lead lost after that miss rally / move command. Then he walks marines home??? Instead of using the 8 medivacs he had. It was crazy how he could throw away that position.
He killed like 2 rax and a starport and TY had a 3k bank, better upgrades and more bases, how was that drop game winning? Bomber had a bigger army the entire game and still lost every fight.
On June 02 2016 18:15 Pandemona wrote: Bombers control wtf gold league XD
? if you send all medivacs away you can't do anything but walk the marines
What? He miss controlled and lost 20 marines to move command when harassing in TY base, which was game winning as he killed so many building. However his whole 20 supply lead lost after that miss rally / move command. Then he walks marines home??? Instead of using the 8 medivacs he had. It was crazy how he could throw away that position.
He killed like 2 rax and a starport and TY had a 3k bank, better upgrades and more bases, how was that drop game winning? Bomber had a bigger army the entire game and still lost every fight.
He went from being able to make 16 marines 2 tanks and starport units to 10marines 1 tank and 0 air units. He could push out after securing the 4th which he could have done with better control. Put someone else in Bomber position with better TvT after that drop and you see a different outcome 100% of the time.
On June 02 2016 18:15 Pandemona wrote: Bombers control wtf gold league XD
? if you send all medivacs away you can't do anything but walk the marines
What? He miss controlled and lost 20 marines to move command when harassing in TY base, which was game winning as he killed so many building. However his whole 20 supply lead lost after that miss rally / move command. Then he walks marines home??? Instead of using the 8 medivacs he had. It was crazy how he could throw away that position.
He killed like 2 rax and a starport and TY had a 3k bank, better upgrades and more bases, how was that drop game winning? Bomber had a bigger army the entire game and still lost every fight.
He went from being able to make 16 marines 2 tanks and starport units to 10marines 1 tank and 0 air units. He could push out after securing the 4th which he could have done with better control. Put someone else in Bomber position with better TvT after that drop and you see a different outcome 100% of the time.
By the time he arrives at TY's base after having to go through TY's massive siege tank concave TY has everything set up again, and he still had a big part of his army home for defense because of the drop. Breaking the siege would always be costly.
On June 02 2016 18:15 Pandemona wrote: Bombers control wtf gold league XD
? if you send all medivacs away you can't do anything but walk the marines
What? He miss controlled and lost 20 marines to move command when harassing in TY base, which was game winning as he killed so many building. However his whole 20 supply lead lost after that miss rally / move command. Then he walks marines home??? Instead of using the 8 medivacs he had. It was crazy how he could throw away that position.
He killed like 2 rax and a starport and TY had a 3k bank, better upgrades and more bases, how was that drop game winning? Bomber had a bigger army the entire game and still lost every fight.
He went from being able to make 16 marines 2 tanks and starport units to 10marines 1 tank and 0 air units. He could push out after securing the 4th which he could have done with better control. Put someone else in Bomber position with better TvT after that drop and you see a different outcome 100% of the time.
On June 02 2016 18:15 Pandemona wrote: Bombers control wtf gold league XD
? if you send all medivacs away you can't do anything but walk the marines
What? He miss controlled and lost 20 marines to move command when harassing in TY base, which was game winning as he killed so many building. However his whole 20 supply lead lost after that miss rally / move command. Then he walks marines home??? Instead of using the 8 medivacs he had. It was crazy how he could throw away that position.
He killed like 2 rax and a starport and TY had a 3k bank, better upgrades and more bases, how was that drop game winning? Bomber had a bigger army the entire game and still lost every fight.
He went from being able to make 16 marines 2 tanks and starport units to 10marines 1 tank and 0 air units. He could push out after securing the 4th which he could have done with better control. Put someone else in Bomber position with better TvT after that drop and you see a different outcome 100% of the time.
By the time he arrives at TY's base after having to go through TY's massive siege tank concave TY has everything set up again, and he still had a big part of his army home for defense because of the drop.
He wouldn't go and A move the map after he broke out though would he. You would break the hold/force TY away whilst securing the 4th and probably the 5th base and be in fine position as Bombers production > TYs Pretty sure thats how that would have played out, guess we shall never know
On June 02 2016 18:15 Pandemona wrote: Bombers control wtf gold league XD
? if you send all medivacs away you can't do anything but walk the marines
What? He miss controlled and lost 20 marines to move command when harassing in TY base, which was game winning as he killed so many building. However his whole 20 supply lead lost after that miss rally / move command. Then he walks marines home??? Instead of using the 8 medivacs he had. It was crazy how he could throw away that position.
He killed like 2 rax and a starport and TY had a 3k bank, better upgrades and more bases, how was that drop game winning? Bomber had a bigger army the entire game and still lost every fight.
He went from being able to make 16 marines 2 tanks and starport units to 10marines 1 tank and 0 air units. He could push out after securing the 4th which he could have done with better control. Put someone else in Bomber position with better TvT after that drop and you see a different outcome 100% of the time.
By the time he arrives at TY's base after having to go through TY's massive siege tank concave TY has everything set up again, and he still had a big part of his army home for defense because of the drop.
He wouldn't go and A move the map after he broke out though would he. You would break the hold/force TY away whilst securing the 4th and probably the 5th base and be in fine position as Bombers production > TYs Pretty sure thats how that would have played out, guess we shall never know
His production is only better until TY rebuilds everything since TY has way more money and bases. And breaking the siege line is expensive.
Hey Durnuu you can update LP to say TY is through. Bomber, soO, Trap and Cure all still have to play against each other (except Cure vs Trap) so they can't all overtake him.
On June 02 2016 18:30 Elentos wrote: Hey Durnuu you can update LP to say TY is through. Bomber, soO, Trap and Cure all still have to play against each other (except Cure vs Trap) so they can't all overtake him.
On June 02 2016 18:30 Elentos wrote: Hey Durnuu you can update LP to say TY is through. Bomber, soO, Trap and Cure all still have to play against each other (except Cure vs Trap) so they can't all overtake him.
On June 02 2016 18:37 KingofdaHipHop wrote: i think trap wanted to bop him with the adepts because of how their game on Frozen Temple went, Trap looks like he's just gonna lose today
Is it just me, or is soO looking really desperate? he plays like he thinks he has no chance in a macro game, throwing curve balls at his protoss and terran opponents almost every game.
"well hush is gonna have to look at the monitor if he wants to win this game" lol these guys have been pretty good considering how long they've been casting
On June 02 2016 18:59 MyrionSC wrote: Is it just me, or are the zergs today looking really desperate? They play like they think they have no chance in a macro game, throwing curve balls at their protoss and terran opponents almost every game.
On June 02 2016 19:00 NoRegreT_ wrote: soO is playing the best he can with the race hes dealt if he plays out the game he loses to abusive positioning on king sejong
No he clearly is not, he might as well probe rushed
hmm ok, I get it more now. I think we should put a table in the OP similar to Liquipedia's instead of a standard formatting that works well for GSL groups or single BoX, but not for RR.
On June 02 2016 19:09 OtherWorld wrote: what the hell is this format
double round robin
Looks like one of these clusterfucks made to artificially create "excitement" (see NASCAR's Chase)
It's ok if all players give their best even when already eliminated/ qualified, the weakness of RR obv.
i dont think it created artificial excitement, this was actually really fun today, lot of quirky games and funny cast, and of course that weird Hush vs soO game
On June 02 2016 19:09 OtherWorld wrote: what the hell is this format
double round robin
Looks like one of these clusterfucks made to artificially create "excitement" (see NASCAR's Chase)
It's ok if all players give their best even when already eliminated/ qualified, the weakness of RR obv.
i dont think it created artificial excitement, this was actually really fun today, lot of quirky games and funny cast, and of course that weird Hush vs soO game
I like the RR format, it's a nice refreshing thing and it gives SSL challenger a unique format that includes a ton of games between some damn good players. It's definitely got a few flaws, but I've been enjoying the games today and it's better than Code A where one bad draw can fuck your life up. Might even be better than GSL groups would've been just because that format is -everywhere- and bad luck is a little more influential.
On June 02 2016 19:19 Edpayasugo wrote: Can someone explain why only one of TY's series has been two games as per liquipedia? Are thre series not two maps each? Thanks.
On June 02 2016 19:19 Edpayasugo wrote: Can someone explain why only one of TY's series has been two games as per liquipedia? Are thre series not two maps each? Thanks.
On June 02 2016 19:19 Soularion wrote: I like the RR format, it's a nice refreshing thing and it gives SSL challenger a unique format that includes a ton of games between some damn good players. It's definitely got a few flaws, but I've been enjoying the games today and it's better than Code A where one bad draw can fuck your life up. Might even be better than GSL groups would've been just because that format is -everywhere- and bad luck is a little more influential.
I agree that heaving different formats is nice but I'd still say the GSL group format is the least flawed just because of the fact that every match matters
Its pretty hard to represent it on Liquipedia, since it doesn't really matter whether they beat a specific opponent 2-0, 1-1. it really only matters how many maps you win/ away maps you win
On June 02 2016 19:19 Soularion wrote: I like the RR format, it's a nice refreshing thing and it gives SSL challenger a unique format that includes a ton of games between some damn good players. It's definitely got a few flaws, but I've been enjoying the games today and it's better than Code A where one bad draw can fuck your life up. Might even be better than GSL groups would've been just because that format is -everywhere- and bad luck is a little more influential.
I agree that heaving different formats is nice but I'd still say the GSL group format is the least flawed just because of the fact that every match matters
Yeah, when you cannot advance anymore it's at least questionable whether you'll do your best during the last games possibly giving easier wins to some opponents.
On June 02 2016 19:33 Elentos wrote: So TY has a bit of trouble with Bomber but shreks Cure, Cure has no trouble with Bomber but is completely hopeless vs TY.
On June 02 2016 19:33 Elentos wrote: So TY has a bit of trouble with Bomber but shreks Cure, Cure has no trouble with Bomber but is completely hopeless vs TY.
Cure's aggressiveness vs TY's safe builds. TY's safe builds vs bomber's greedy economic builds. Cure's agressiveness vs Bomber's greedy economic builds. Kind of makes sense.
On June 02 2016 19:33 Elentos wrote: So TY has a bit of trouble with Bomber but shreks Cure, Cure has no trouble with Bomber but is completely hopeless vs TY.
Cure's aggressiveness vs TY's safe builds. TY's safe builds vs bomber's greedy economic builds. Cure's agressiveness vs Bomber's greedy economic builds. Kind of makes sense.
You'd think that'd be it, but then, TY took a very early 3rd on the low ground against Bomber off of 1 rax and Bomber opened 2-rax reaper against Cure.
On June 02 2016 19:33 Elentos wrote: So TY has a bit of trouble with Bomber but shreks Cure, Cure has no trouble with Bomber but is completely hopeless vs TY.
Cure's aggressiveness vs TY's safe builds. TY's safe builds vs bomber's greedy economic builds. Cure's agressiveness vs Bomber's greedy economic builds. Kind of makes sense.
You'd think that'd be it, but then, TY took a very early 3rd on the low ground against Bomber off of 1 rax and Bomber opened 2-rax reaper against Cure.
Yes, but bomber took earlier nat and bomber was focusing more on workers. And if's it's the first Bomber vs Cure game you're talking about, cure went banshees whilst bomber tried to economically get ahead while going for a fake aggression/ harass.
On June 02 2016 19:33 Elentos wrote: So TY has a bit of trouble with Bomber but shreks Cure, Cure has no trouble with Bomber but is completely hopeless vs TY.
Cure's aggressiveness vs TY's safe builds. TY's safe builds vs bomber's greedy economic builds. Cure's agressiveness vs Bomber's greedy economic builds. Kind of makes sense.
You'd think that'd be it, but then, TY took a very early 3rd on the low ground against Bomber off of 1 rax and Bomber opened 2-rax reaper against Cure.
Yes, but bomber took earlier nat and bomber was focusing more on workers. And if's it's the first Bomber vs Cure game you're talking about, cure went banshees whilst bomber tried to economically get ahead while going for a fake aggression/ harass.
It's not fake when you waste all your reapers for no damage.
On June 02 2016 19:44 zakadar wrote: what if soo and bomber are 1:1 vs each other and 5:5 i think that will happen with soo losing to TY but winning the rest
Then the person with more away map wins advances. Which is probably not soO?
On June 02 2016 19:46 CynicalDeath wrote: ...so TY vs Cure will not be played since they are both advancing... I don't really like this kind of stuff...
to be fair there are 29 other maps being played so really its not a big deal
On June 02 2016 19:46 CynicalDeath wrote: ...so TY vs Cure will not be played since they are both advancing... I don't really like this kind of stuff...
to be fair there are 29 other maps being played so really its not a big deal
..yes I know, but I don't really like the concept of "since it is not useful, it will not be played" but probably it's just me!
On June 02 2016 19:46 CynicalDeath wrote: ...so TY vs Cure will not be played since they are both advancing... I don't really like this kind of stuff...
to be fair there are 29 other maps being played so really its not a big deal
..yes I know, but I don't really like the concept of "since it is not useful, it will not be played" but probably it's just me!
yeah but its honestly a waste of the players time especially because its been a long time, do you want a Naniwa vs Nestea repeat?
On June 02 2016 19:46 CynicalDeath wrote: ...so TY vs Cure will not be played since they are both advancing... I don't really like this kind of stuff...
That's fine, it's more problematic if only one player is already advanced(/eliminated)
On June 02 2016 19:46 CynicalDeath wrote: ...so TY vs Cure will not be played since they are both advancing... I don't really like this kind of stuff...
This is stupid ... as Cure could end up first (don't think, this could happen :-)
On June 02 2016 19:33 Elentos wrote: So TY has a bit of trouble with Bomber but shreks Cure, Cure has no trouble with Bomber but is completely hopeless vs TY.
Cure's aggressiveness vs TY's safe builds. TY's safe builds vs bomber's greedy economic builds. Cure's agressiveness vs Bomber's greedy economic builds. Kind of makes sense.
You'd think that'd be it, but then, TY took a very early 3rd on the low ground against Bomber off of 1 rax and Bomber opened 2-rax reaper against Cure.
Yes, but bomber took earlier nat and bomber was focusing more on workers. And if's it's the first Bomber vs Cure game you're talking about, cure went banshees whilst bomber tried to economically get ahead while going for a fake aggression/ harass.
It's not fake when you waste all your reapers for no damage.
I don't remember it being an all in, and Cure lost against TY bc cure went for banshee hyper aggression whilst TY scouted and got double viking cyclone. So I'd say it kinda adds up.
On June 02 2016 19:46 CynicalDeath wrote: ...so TY vs Cure will not be played since they are both advancing... I don't really like this kind of stuff...
to be fair there are 29 other maps being played so really its not a big deal
So does the placement (1st/2nd/3rd) not influence seeding for the Ro16? Because in theory if TY wins Bomber could still overtake Cure, no?
On June 02 2016 19:46 CynicalDeath wrote: ...so TY vs Cure will not be played since they are both advancing... I don't really like this kind of stuff...
to be fair there are 29 other maps being played so really its not a big deal
So does the placement (1st/2nd/3rd) not influence seeding for the Ro16? Because in theory if TY wins Bomber could still overtake Cure, no?
Damn Liquipedia for not tracking home/away scores
that's why LR OPs are OP also they havent announced the group selection have they? so i suppose seeding doesnt matter
...theoretically speaking if TY loses the next three games (not going to happen I know, but I like to be a pain in the ass from time to time) and Cure wins the vs Match with TY they would be tied for the 1st place so this means that seeding will not count for the Ro16 or this should be played...
On June 02 2016 19:54 CynicalDeath wrote: ...theoretically speaking if TY loses the next three games (not going to happen I know, but I like to be a pain in the ass from time to time) and Cure wins the vs Match with TY they would be tied for the 1st place so this means that seeding will not count for the Ro16 or this should be played...
Or if Bomber wins twice and TY beats Cure, Bomber and Cure tie.
On June 02 2016 19:46 CynicalDeath wrote: ...so TY vs Cure will not be played since they are both advancing... I don't really like this kind of stuff...
to be fair there are 29 other maps being played so really its not a big deal
So does the placement (1st/2nd/3rd) not influence seeding for the Ro16? Because in theory if TY wins Bomber could still overtake Cure, no?
Damn Liquipedia for not tracking home/away scores
that's why LR OPs are OP also they havent announced the group selection have they? so i suppose seeding doesnt matter
On June 02 2016 19:54 CynicalDeath wrote: ...theoretically speaking if TY loses the next three games (not going to happen I know, but I like to be a pain in the ass from time to time) and Cure wins the vs Match with TY they would be tied for the 1st place so this means that seeding will not count for the Ro16 or this should be played...
On June 02 2016 19:54 CynicalDeath wrote: ...theoretically speaking if TY loses the next three games (not going to happen I know, but I like to be a pain in the ass from time to time) and Cure wins the vs Match with TY they would be tied for the 1st place so this means that seeding will not count for the Ro16 or this should be played...
Or if Bomber wins twice and TY beats Cure, Bomber and Cure tie.
..yeah, in that case though, Cure won 2-0 over Bomber so he sould be ahead...
On June 02 2016 19:46 CynicalDeath wrote: ...so TY vs Cure will not be played since they are both advancing... I don't really like this kind of stuff...
to be fair there are 29 other maps being played so really its not a big deal
So does the placement (1st/2nd/3rd) not influence seeding for the Ro16? Because in theory if TY wins Bomber could still overtake Cure, no?
Damn Liquipedia for not tracking home/away scores
that's why LR OPs are OP also they havent announced the group selection have they? so i suppose seeding doesnt matter
But last year in the group selections, didn't they do this weird thing where they seeded the players who came from Challenge into 3 categories or something?
Anyone knows the reason I am not able to watch it?
Neither the youtube nor the twitch streams are loading, I only get the black screen with the infinite white cricle of hatress. Any other stream works fine on Twitch for me.
On June 02 2016 19:59 Clonester wrote: Anyone knows the reason I am not able to watch it?
Neither the youtube nor the twitch streams are loading, I only get the black screen with the infinite white cricle of hatress. Any other stream works fine on Twitch for me.
High and Source are sub-locked on Twitch. Set to medium and refresh the page. Not sure why Youtube isn't working though
On June 02 2016 19:59 Clonester wrote: Anyone knows the reason I am not able to watch it?
Neither the youtube nor the twitch streams are loading, I only get the black screen with the infinite white cricle of hatress. Any other stream works fine on Twitch for me.
Twitch stream has only medium quality for non-subscribers.
On June 02 2016 19:59 Clonester wrote: Anyone knows the reason I am not able to watch it?
Neither the youtube nor the twitch streams are loading, I only get the black screen with the infinite white cricle of hatress. Any other stream works fine on Twitch for me.
me too but it works when I go directly to the twitch website instead of watching through the TL link
On June 02 2016 19:59 Clonester wrote: Anyone knows the reason I am not able to watch it?
Neither the youtube nor the twitch streams are loading, I only get the black screen with the infinite white cricle of hatress. Any other stream works fine on Twitch for me.
me too but it works when I go directly to the twitch website instead of watching through the TL link
That fixed it for me 2. Cant get it to work with TL side or by using the TL links.
On June 02 2016 20:05 WGT-Baal wrote: So soO can still make it if we wins the remaining matches but if loses to TY and beats bomber they ll be both 5 5 no? What happens then?
They would tie in map score and away maps won, so unless one of them got a warning I think they play a tiebreaker.
Was the Youtube quality always this good? It's blowing my mind right now. Just seems like the bitrate is higher or something, it stays crisp even when the screen is moving fast.
On June 02 2016 20:11 Musicus wrote: Was the Youtube quality always this good? It's blowing my mind right now. Just seems like the bitrate is higher or something, it stays crisp even when the screen is moving fast.
On June 02 2016 20:11 Musicus wrote: Was the Youtube quality always this good? It's blowing my mind right now. Just seems like the bitrate is higher or something, it stays crisp even when the screen is moving fast.
I'd say yes.
Maybe I've been watching too much twitch on high and it's just the comparison.
On June 02 2016 20:28 seemsgood wrote: I must admit TY is ridisculous with uncontested 3rd base.
fixed
NOPE. What i said explain why foreigner TvP is very balance because they don't abuse early game advantage as much as korean . Beside WCS cause fuck aderp.
Well staying up for that long was fun, I'm gonna go get some sleep though. Hope I was able to distill information in the OP as the format is new to all of us, looking forward to next week! :D
On June 02 2016 21:22 Inflicted wrote: TY couldn't even 10-0, disappointing performance
I bet that first game against TY shook Cure up so hard that he asked the organizers to leave out all matches that don't influence the outcome of the group.
I think this format takes too much time. It almost exhausted the players, audience and commentators. Look at TY, even with a bloody 8-0 in hands, he still got that "boring as fuck" expression on his face
On June 02 2016 21:38 bestviva wrote: I think this format takes too much time. It almost exhausted the players, audience and commentators. Look at TY, even with a bloody 8-0 in hands, he still got that "boring as fuck" expression on his face
I hope his teammates do a good job of cheering Trap up, he's got a huge match tomorrow and it would be sad if he just went on hard tilt and completely bombed out of both leagues within 2 days.
This is a fun format. (Certainly better than a format that says Innovation and Dark have to play each other in one Bo5 to determine Code S status while worse players get in based on matchup lol) Cool that Bomber got in but rip soO
The night may be dark and full of terrans in this group but in group B there's only one possible and the four players already qualified were all Z/P so we can still have a good mix in the main event
Wait, couldn't soO have advanced if he beat both TY and Bomber? soO both and Bomber would've been 5-5 so it would need a tiebreaker or am i misunderstanding this format?
On June 02 2016 22:39 GreenMash wrote: Wait, couldn't soO have advanced if he beat both TY and Bomber? soO both and Bomber would've been 5-5 so it would need a tiebreaker or am i misunderstanding this format?
i think it has to do with the home/away scoring? correct me if im wrong here
On June 02 2016 22:39 GreenMash wrote: Wait, couldn't soO have advanced if he beat both TY and Bomber? soO both and Bomber would've been 5-5 so it would need a tiebreaker or am i misunderstanding this format?
The game against Trap was soO's last "away game". Wins on away maps are the first tie breaker, and after soO lost to Trap, there was no way for him to tie with Bomber anymore since Bomber had 2 away wins and soO only 1.
On June 02 2016 23:57 The_Red_Viper wrote: While i like the format (double round robin), a group shouldn't be played on only one day. They should rather do it like OSL did imo.
I hated that. It was dragged out way too much. And keep in mind this isn't even the main tournament yet. I'd prefer if they do the first RR on one day and the 2nd on the next though. Although I have no idea if SPOTV can actually fit that into their schedule now that they do LoL.
On June 03 2016 00:01 Olli wrote: Where's the balance whine at
On June 02 2016 23:57 The_Red_Viper wrote: While i like the format (double round robin), a group shouldn't be played on only one day. They should rather do it like OSL did imo.
I hated that. It was dragged out way too much. And keep in mind this isn't even the main tournament yet. I'd prefer if they do the first RR on one day and the 2nd on the next though. Although I have no idea if SPOTV can actually fit that into their schedule now that they do LoL.
I like it because players can prepare more for their matches and you have more variety on each day.
On June 02 2016 21:38 bestviva wrote: I think this format takes too much time. It almost exhausted the players, audience and commentators. Look at TY, even with a bloody 8-0 in hands, he still got that "boring as fuck" expression on his face
TY's face is always bored af
He did say he was tired tho... but he also said that his condition was bad today at the beginning of the day so who knows at this point.
On June 02 2016 21:38 bestviva wrote: I think this format takes too much time. It almost exhausted the players, audience and commentators. Look at TY, even with a bloody 8-0 in hands, he still got that "boring as fuck" expression on his face
TY's face is always bored af
He did say he was tired tho... but he also said that his condition was bad today at the beginning of the day so who knows at this point.
I think if you ask him he is always tired and his condition is always bad.
On June 03 2016 00:12 fronkschnonk wrote: Don't like the "home"/"away" map thing but over all this is a great format. Would be even more glorious with the possibility of ties
Well there can absolutely be ties. If soO beat Trap, then lost to TY and won against Bomber, soO and Bomber would have been tied in every aspect and would have had to play a tie breaker match.
Honestly I'm a bit surprised so many people find this format confusing. I guess watching enough football ("soccer") makes it a bit easier to understand?
On June 03 2016 00:12 fronkschnonk wrote: Don't like the "home"/"away" map thing but over all this is a great format. Would be even more glorious with the possibility of ties
Well there can absolutely be ties. If soO beat Trap, then lost to TY and won against Bomber, soO and Bomber would have been tied in every aspect and would have had to play a tie breaker match.
Honestly I'm a bit surprised so many people find this format confusing. I guess watching enough football ("soccer") makes it a bit easier to understand?
I noticed people mentioning their initial confusion vanishing when they saw the standings in Liquipedia, it's just the long list of matches in the OP people don't understand I think.
On June 03 2016 00:12 fronkschnonk wrote: Don't like the "home"/"away" map thing but over all this is a great format. Would be even more glorious with the possibility of ties
Well there can absolutely be ties. If soO beat Trap, then lost to TY and won against Bomber, soO and Bomber would have been tied in every aspect and would have had to play a tie breaker match.
Honestly I'm a bit surprised so many people find this format confusing. I guess watching enough football ("soccer") makes it a bit easier to understand?
I noticed people mentioning their initial confusion vanishing when they saw the standings in Liquipedia, it's just the long list of matches in the OP people don't understand I think.
I guess the terms "round robin", "home map" and "away map" aren't intuitive enough if you don't get their meaning visualized, but at the same time having a list of 30 matches in the OP is information overflow?
On June 03 2016 00:12 fronkschnonk wrote: Don't like the "home"/"away" map thing but over all this is a great format. Would be even more glorious with the possibility of ties
Well there can absolutely be ties. If soO beat Trap, then lost to TY and won against Bomber, soO and Bomber would have been tied in every aspect and would have had to play a tie breaker match.
Honestly I'm a bit surprised so many people find this format confusing. I guess watching enough football ("soccer") makes it a bit easier to understand?
I noticed people mentioning their initial confusion vanishing when they saw the standings in Liquipedia, it's just the long list of matches in the OP people don't understand I think.
I guess the terms "round robin", "home map" and "away map" aren't intuitive enough if you don't get their meaning visualized, but at the same time having a list of 30 matches in the OP is information overflow?
That's what I'm saying, yeah. Don't get the "but" btw, those things don't seem contradictory
On June 03 2016 00:12 fronkschnonk wrote: Don't like the "home"/"away" map thing but over all this is a great format. Would be even more glorious with the possibility of ties
Well there can absolutely be ties. If soO beat Trap, then lost to TY and won against Bomber, soO and Bomber would have been tied in every aspect and would have had to play a tie breaker match.
Honestly I'm a bit surprised so many people find this format confusing. I guess watching enough football ("soccer") makes it a bit easier to understand?
I noticed people mentioning their initial confusion vanishing when they saw the standings in Liquipedia, it's just the long list of matches in the OP people don't understand I think.
I guess the terms "round robin", "home map" and "away map" aren't intuitive enough if you don't get their meaning visualized, but at the same time having a list of 30 matches in the OP is information overflow?
That's what I'm saying, yeah. Don't get the "but" btw, those things don't seem contradictory
Well, the OP does visualize all those concepts (and it tracks home/away wins unlike LP), but it ends up being too much.
On June 03 2016 00:12 fronkschnonk wrote: Don't like the "home"/"away" map thing but over all this is a great format. Would be even more glorious with the possibility of ties
Well there can absolutely be ties. If soO beat Trap, then lost to TY and won against Bomber, soO and Bomber would have been tied in every aspect and would have had to play a tie breaker match.
Honestly I'm a bit surprised so many people find this format confusing. I guess watching enough football ("soccer") makes it a bit easier to understand?
I noticed people mentioning their initial confusion vanishing when they saw the standings in Liquipedia, it's just the long list of matches in the OP people don't understand I think.
I guess the terms "round robin", "home map" and "away map" aren't intuitive enough if you don't get their meaning visualized, but at the same time having a list of 30 matches in the OP is information overflow?
That's what I'm saying, yeah. Don't get the "but" btw, those things don't seem contradictory
Well, the OP does visualize all those concepts (and it tracks home/away wins unlike LP), but it ends up being too much.
That's what the "but" is for
For what it's worth; I didn't find it confusing. It's also just new and different, I'm sure people get used to it.
Clusterfucks are fun. SC2 needs to have more fun. The main improvement would be the standings being shown more often on stream, and the casters doing a better job of explaining the tiebreakers and what each match means. (Where's that statistician guy Wolf was talking about? They need a good one...)
On June 03 2016 01:04 megatroneo wrote: soO is an asshole. Keeps getting my hopes up and then throws games left and right with mindfuck choices.
I heard from the Korean stream that he's having problems with TvZs.... personally wished he had this much of a problem back in proleague R1 finals so maru would have stayed alive longer and maybe a jin air win.
On June 03 2016 01:04 megatroneo wrote: soO is an asshole. Keeps getting my hopes up and then throws games left and right with mindfuck choices.
I heard from the Korean stream that he's having problems with TvZs.... personally wished he had this much of a problem back in proleague R1 finals so maru would have stayed alive longer and maybe a jin air win.
I would argue he already had those problems and they just didn't show because he was allowed to play BO1 on Prion Terraces where he could just spam roaches and ravagers infinitely. Less than a week later Cure completely dumpstered him in GSL.
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uYYF2I5.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/08h88.png)
Twitch | 
Youtube![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/CMU99oi.png)
Wolf | ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QY06u.png)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/561.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/575.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2031.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/618.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/3220.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/634.jpg)
Bomber 
Trap 
soO ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L6Pww.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0PxXd.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QARj1.png)
Can someone bring me up to speed? I have almost 38 degrees of fever, so simple words preffered.
SSanaEE![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rZfL3Dx.jpg)
. Look at TY, even with a bloody 8-0 in hands, he still got that "boring as fuck" expression on his face
