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Charoisaur
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Germany15973 Posts
April 06 2016 12:45 GMT
#461
On April 06 2016 03:28 nick00bot wrote:
Everyone whining about ultras this game is forgetting the fact that Gumi had 5 bases and a ghost academy, and yet never built a ghost. how do you expect to beat ultra corruptor without ghosts? That's like staying on roach hydra and complaining about losing to immortals.

Gumiho was really close to winning this game, but Dark pushed at the exact right time, it's not that his ultras were broken. Gumi had invested a ton into CCs & 3/3 (which wasn't finished), didn't have amazing production (1 starport and fact), had no ghosts, and very few medivacs. If dark had waited thirty seconds he would of lost fair and square

Ghosts has been tried a lot by korean terrans but they don't work because:
1. when zerg is swarming at you with ling bane ultra + FUNGAL! the probability of snipe getting cancelled is incredibly high.
2. even when the snipe goes off it just does 170 damage once and after that the ghost is useless. So if there are still ultras left after the snipe rounds you lose because your standing army is far weaker than normal (because you invested so much into ghost.)

Watch the Byun vs curious series, there you clearly see the problems with ghosts.

the only situation where you want to build ghosts is superlate-game split map scenario when you are turtling behind planetaries and mass liberators.
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nick00bot
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April 06 2016 19:40 GMT
#462
1. when zerg is swarming at you with ling bane ultra + FUNGAL! the probability of snipe getting cancelled is incredibly high.
2. even when the snipe goes off it just does 170 damage once and after that the ghost is useless. So if there are still ultras left after the snipe rounds you lose because your standing army is far weaker than normal (because you invested so much into ghost.)




1. Is true under a lot of conditions, but much less so in defensive ones. Dark's initial push was mostly just ultras too, the lings came as a flood to wipe out later bases. Gumi had enough of an army that he had enough units to position ghosts behind to avoid fungals anyways.
2. Given that they replace marauders, It's not far weaker since ghosts do about the same against lings than they do. There should be no reason why you should have less marines if you're making ghosts if you have the economy gumiho did, and those are what take out the lings anyways.

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