On March 27 2016 12:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: pools
I made one earlier if you want to use it.
Poll: How many games will the international team win?
0 KeSPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (6)
25%
1 Maybe Harstem or puCK can win the coinflip against the player coach. (0)
0%
2 (0)
0%
3 Surely they can't do worse than this right? (0)
0%
4 (5)
21%
5 This is the unofficial over-under line (1)
4%
6 (2)
8%
7 Rotterdam predicted this and he's pretty legit (4)
17%
8 (0)
0%
9 (2)
8%
10 Reminder that Stephano isn't playing (3)
13%
11 (0)
0%
12 Wonder what they'd do if this actually happened. Six-headed archon match is my solution. (0)
0%
13 “I Want to Believe” (0)
0%
14 (0)
0%
15 The number of jet lag excuses this result would engender would be hilarious (0)
0%
16 (0)
0%
17 ByuL or TY would have to lose a game for this to happen. (0)
0%
18 (0)
0%
19-23 In retrospect I should have rolled together more of these numbers. (0)
0%
24 Dude. I need whatever you're on. (1)
4%
24 total votes
Your vote: How many games will the international team win?
(Vote): 0 KeSPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (Vote): 1 Maybe Harstem or puCK can win the coinflip against the player coach. (Vote): 2 (Vote): 3 Surely they can't do worse than this right? (Vote): 4 (Vote): 5 This is the unofficial over-under line (Vote): 6 (Vote): 7 Rotterdam predicted this and he's pretty legit (Vote): 8 (Vote): 9 (Vote): 10 Reminder that Stephano isn't playing (Vote): 11 (Vote): 12 Wonder what they'd do if this actually happened. Six-headed archon match is my solution. (Vote): 13 “I Want to Believe” (Vote): 14 (Vote): 15 The number of jet lag excuses this result would engender would be hilarious (Vote): 16 (Vote): 17 ByuL or TY would have to lose a game for this to happen. (Vote): 18 (Vote): 19-23 In retrospect I should have rolled together more of these numbers. (Vote): 24 Dude. I need whatever you're on.
On March 27 2016 12:46 ploguidice wrote: Sad to see Scarlett not participating in this Should still be awesome though! Korean versus foreign hope hype all night!
Me too, but hopefully we'll get to see her play something while she's in Korea.
I feel like protoss has too much accessibility to detection now a days. It made sense to put detection on the stargate back in HotS but I feel like with the difference in economy its not unreasonable for a protoss to have both a robo and a stargate already. It feels like the revelation/phoenix lift combo becomes too easy.
Or maybe my 35% winrate has tilted me into the sun
Have to admit, Stork is certainly not the strongest of Koreans but that was a solid game from puck, pretty much dominated from start to finish. I feel Puck really deserves some credit for his performance this tournament, 2-1 Snute, 2-0 Major, 3-0 Scarlett, lost to eventual champion, and now bringing a solid performance here against Stork.
On March 27 2016 14:25 SlammerIV wrote: Have to admit, Stork is certainly not the strongest of Koreans but that was a solid game from puck, pretty much dominated from start to finish. I feel Puck really deserves some credit for his performance this tournament, 2-1 Snute, 2-0 Major, 3-0 Scarlett, lost to eventual champion, and now bringing a solid performance here against Stork.
puCK confirmed for new American Hope. Him and Neeb will bring USA to greatness. Until Hillary wins and bans all men that is.
On March 27 2016 14:25 SlammerIV wrote: Have to admit, Stork is certainly not the strongest of Koreans but that was a solid game from puck, pretty much dominated from start to finish. I feel Puck really deserves some credit for his performance this tournament, 2-1 Snute, 2-0 Major, 3-0 Scarlett, lost to eventual champion, and now bringing a solid performance here against Stork.
Puck has been decent for all LotV and this was a good showing. The hardest thing as always will be to be consistent.
It's really interesting that ByuL long distance mines with drones 17 and 18. My understanding is that workers 17 and 18 do provide a slight increase in income so long distance mining is suboptimal.
The foreigner team is so much weaker with the Chinese players, how come TooDming is playing instead of Nerchio, I guess because the tournament is in China. Switch Ai and Toodming for Nerchio and Mlord and I think the series is far closer.
On March 27 2016 14:35 SlammerIV wrote: The foreigner team is so much weaker with the Chinese players, how come TooDming is playing instead of Nerchio, I guess because the tournament is in China. Switch Ai and Toodming for Nerchio and Mlord and I think the series is far closer.
pretty much. they made 2 slots for chinese players because it's a chinese event
On March 27 2016 14:35 SlammerIV wrote: The foreigner team is so much weaker with the Chinese players, how come TooDming is playing instead of Nerchio, I guess because the tournament is in China. Switch Ai and Toodming for Nerchio and Mlord and I think the series is far closer.
pretty much. they made 2 slots for chinese players because it's a chinese event
Weren't Harstem and Snute leading the polls at one moment? And there is someone who's no longer a player in the Korean lineup.
On March 27 2016 14:35 SlammerIV wrote: The foreigner team is so much weaker with the Chinese players, how come TooDming is playing instead of Nerchio, I guess because the tournament is in China. Switch Ai and Toodming for Nerchio and Mlord and I think the series is far closer.
pretty much. they made 2 slots for chinese players because it's a chinese event
Weren't Harstem and Snute leading the polls at one moment? And there is someone who's no longer a player in the Korean lineup.
When I looked the 4 Chinese players were winning with Snute and Scarlett fairly close behind. Harstem was like 3rd last
On March 27 2016 14:35 SlammerIV wrote: The foreigner team is so much weaker with the Chinese players, how come TooDming is playing instead of Nerchio, I guess because the tournament is in China. Switch Ai and Toodming for Nerchio and Mlord and I think the series is far closer.
pretty much. they made 2 slots for chinese players because it's a chinese event
Well if we can give 8 slots to foreigners at Blizzcon, then we can give 2 slots to Chinese players at a showmatch in China.
Nicely done by Snute. At least we know that top foreigners can still beat low tier Koreans. Curious about the score vs TY/Dear/Byun and about Byul's lvl
On March 27 2016 14:48 sAsImre wrote: Nicely done by Snute. At least we know that top foreigners can still beat low tier Koreans. Curious about the score vs TY/Dear/Byun and about Byul's lvl
Snute is 0-5 in sets vs TY and Dear. And he's never played ByuN before. Hopefully he'll put up a good fight with the two.
Well so far I think the foreigners are retaining their dignity. I don't think anyone would predict that Snute would have taken down Dear or that Ai would have beaten Byul. On the other hand I feel like Puck needed to win vs Stork and with Snute's level of ZvZ not beating DRG would probably been a bit embarrassing. I don't know how well DRG is playing lately but I feel like he has not won much recently?
On March 27 2016 14:48 Shellshock wrote: will DRG lose back to back?
Not if iA plays like he did against Byul
IA didn't play badly against Byul, nicely planned, and he might have won the game with his first aggression. but there must be something triggered him to stop the attack.
On March 27 2016 14:54 SlammerIV wrote: Well so far I think the foreigners are retaining their dignity. I don't think anyone would predict that Snute would have taken down Dear or that Ai would have beaten Byul. On the other hand I feel like Puck needed to win vs Stork and with Snute's level of ZvZ not beating DRG would probably been a bit embarrassing. I don't know how well DRG is playing lately but I feel like he has not won much recently?
DRG is definitely the 2nd worst player on the Korean team.
On March 27 2016 14:48 Shellshock wrote: will DRG lose back to back?
Not if iA plays like he did against Byul
IA didn't play badly against Byul, nicely planned, and he might have won the game with his first aggression. but there must be something triggered him to stop the attack.
That's exactly what I mean. He lacked the kill sense and he won't beat DRG without it
On March 27 2016 14:54 SlammerIV wrote: Well so far I think the foreigners are retaining their dignity. I don't think anyone would predict that Snute would have taken down Dear or that Ai would have beaten Byul. On the other hand I feel like Puck needed to win vs Stork and with Snute's level of ZvZ not beating DRG would probably been a bit embarrassing. I don't know how well DRG is playing lately but I feel like he has not won much recently?
DRG is definitely the 2nd worst player on the Korean team.
gotta love watching this at work and have one my bitch coworkers in the next cube turn around and be like "What the fuck are you watching, are you a nerd or something? Do you like, play a lot of video games??" -_____-
On March 27 2016 14:54 SlammerIV wrote: Well so far I think the foreigners are retaining their dignity. I don't think anyone would predict that Snute would have taken down Dear or that Ai would have beaten Byul. On the other hand I feel like Puck needed to win vs Stork and with Snute's level of ZvZ not beating DRG would probably been a bit embarrassing. I don't know how well DRG is playing lately but I feel like he has not won much recently?
DRG is definitely the 2nd worst player on the Korean team.
one of the worst players in Code S this season.
At least he wasn't the worst. Symbol got that spot on lockdown.
On March 27 2016 15:06 vult wrote: gotta love watching this at work and have one my bitch coworkers in the next cube turn around and be like "What the fuck are you watching, are you a nerd or something? Do you like, play a lot of video games??" -_____-
On March 27 2016 15:06 vult wrote: gotta love watching this at work and have one my bitch coworkers in the next cube turn around and be like "What the fuck are you watching, are you a nerd or something? Do you like, play a lot of video games??" -_____-
On March 27 2016 15:06 vult wrote: gotta love watching this at work and have one my bitch coworkers in the next cube turn around and be like "What the fuck are you watching, are you a nerd or something? Do you like, play a lot of video games??" -_____-
Well, are you a nerd or something?
I mean, yeah, but I really don't portray it much. More of a closet nerd. Just kind of sad that she would be so rude like that
On March 27 2016 15:06 vult wrote: gotta love watching this at work and have one my bitch coworkers in the next cube turn around and be like "What the fuck are you watching, are you a nerd or something? Do you like, play a lot of video games??" -_____-
and what about your productivity ?
I mean its 02:15 where i am (45 min left in my day), and I was voted MVP of my 90-person department last month so i mean, productivity isnt too bad
On March 27 2016 15:19 Nerchio wrote: Did iA just fall asleep in front of the computer?
What would Nestea do?
According to the book of Artosis 3:15 - "Nestea cometh and conquer any and all series before they are conceived, results are predetermined by him, and he winneth all he plays."
On March 27 2016 15:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote: puCK played fairly well tbh. It was a difficult position to navigate, and he didn't quite make it.
Outside of not having a pylon by his mineral line yea he played it great.
But that's a really big mistake to ignore. Although you could argue that he just got really unlucky and if he had seen the overlord when he scouted for it he could have had the pylon there
On March 27 2016 15:50 Noonius wrote: kespa jail for Stork
Nope.
Considering how much he struggled against the arguably weakest player in the foreign lineup, he's ending up in KeSPA jail unless his connections save him.
On March 27 2016 15:50 Noonius wrote: kespa jail for Stork
Nope.
Considering how much he struggled against the arguably weakest player in the foreign lineup, he's ending up in KeSPA jail unless his connections save him.
On March 27 2016 15:50 Noonius wrote: kespa jail for Stork
Nope.
Considering how much he struggled against the arguably weakest player in the foreign lineup, he's ending up in KeSPA jail unless his connections save him.
kespa jail is reserved for players.
He's a coach.
but he can set an example to his players and petition kespa to have himself jailed
ps, also, does beating Innovation equal to one free get out of kespa jail card?
On March 27 2016 15:50 Noonius wrote: kespa jail for Stork
Nope.
Considering how much he struggled against the arguably weakest player in the foreign lineup, he's ending up in KeSPA jail unless his connections save him.
kespa jail is reserved for players.
He's a coach.
I heard Gerrard was in KeSPA jail. Or maybe just actual jail.
On March 27 2016 15:50 Noonius wrote: kespa jail for Stork
Nope.
Considering how much he struggled against the arguably weakest player in the foreign lineup, he's ending up in KeSPA jail unless his connections save him.
kespa jail is reserved for players.
He's a coach.
I heard Gerrard was in KeSPA jail. Or maybe just actual jail.
On March 27 2016 15:50 Noonius wrote: kespa jail for Stork
Nope.
Considering how much he struggled against the arguably weakest player in the foreign lineup, he's ending up in KeSPA jail unless his connections save him.
Nice done iAsonu ! Nice also to see Harstem and PtitDrogo congratulate him. They obviously have worked the strategies as a team and do not play game by game for money alone as I would have thought.
On March 27 2016 16:32 seemsgood wrote: This tournament is just a TRAP for byun! They set up to lure him out! A blog is necessary to unreavel this devil plan!
On March 27 2016 16:32 seemsgood wrote: This tournament is just a TRAP for byun! They set up to lure him out! A blog is necessary to unreavel this devil plan!
I don't think this is what a trap looks like
Wait until the kiss cam is Byun and a box propped up by a stick, Byun walks over to kiss it and BOOM. Kespa jail
On March 27 2016 16:32 seemsgood wrote: This tournament is just a TRAP for byun! They set up to lure him out! A blog is necessary to unreavel this devil plan!
I don't think this is what a trap looks like
Wait until the kiss cam is Byun and a box propped up by a stick, Byun walks over to kiss it and BOOM. Kespa jail
this kiss cam is so pseudo americana, it's beyond cringe
On March 27 2016 16:32 seemsgood wrote: This tournament is just a TRAP for byun! They set up to lure him out! A blog is necessary to unreavel this devil plan!
I don't think this is what a trap looks like
Wait until the kiss cam is Byun and a box propped up by a stick, Byun walks over to kiss it and BOOM. Kespa jail
He goes over to kiss it and BAM, suddenly there's a puppy. The puppy leads him to the restroom. Suddenly, the door gets locked behind him, and there are Stork, Dear and TY to apprehend him.
On March 27 2016 16:32 seemsgood wrote: This tournament is just a TRAP for byun! They set up to lure him out! A blog is necessary to unreavel this devil plan!
I don't think this is what a trap looks like
Kespa's best officer in this show match:TY,DEAR,DRG. Their captain: Stork. Coincidence ? i think not...
On March 27 2016 16:32 seemsgood wrote: This tournament is just a TRAP for byun! They set up to lure him out! A blog is necessary to unreavel this devil plan!
I don't think this is what a trap looks like
Kespa's best officer in this show match:TY,DEAR,DRG. Their captain: Stork. Coincidence ? i think not...
DRG isn't a KeSPA player. If anything, he's ByuN's backup.
On March 27 2016 16:32 seemsgood wrote: This tournament is just a TRAP for byun! They set up to lure him out! A blog is necessary to unreavel this devil plan!
I don't think this is what a trap looks like
Kespa's best officer in this show match:TY,DEAR,DRG. Their captain: Stork. Coincidence ? i think not...
DRG isn't a KeSPA player. If anything, he's ByuN's backup.
So does Rain.....That why Byun need to keep his both eyes open.
TY really needed a medivac at home at the start instead of a pointless liberator that was positioned in such a way that the tank next to it was killed by the same corrosive biles.
On March 27 2016 17:22 seemsgood wrote: They say a man never really know himself.Until his freedom has been taken away. Mr.TY..... Your Kespa jail awaits.
I had to think 1 minute where I know that quote from lol
On March 27 2016 17:22 seemsgood wrote: They say a man never really know himself.Until his freedom has been taken away. Mr.TY..... Your Kespa jail awaits.
KT players don't go to KeSPA jail. They can lose to as many foreigners as they want.
Who was the guy again that overhyped TY whom I told TY got badly beaten in dreamhack winter? Sure Ruin of Seras and Prion are horrendous for TvZ but iAsonu and Snute...
On March 27 2016 17:38 Poopi wrote: Who was the guy again that overhyped TY whom I told TY got badly beaten in dreamhack winter?
Idk who it was but that's not true. He lost 2 maps to pre-patch adepts and a close series vs Nerchio, those were the only maps he lost against foreigners. And that was way before people declared him best Korean Terran. And him losing to the best foreign Zerg on the best Zerg map is hardly inexcusable.
On March 27 2016 17:38 Poopi wrote: Who was the guy again that overhyped TY whom I told TY got badly beaten in dreamhack winter?
Idk who it was but that's not true. He lost 2 maps to pre-patch adepts and a close series vs Nerchio, those were the only maps he lost against foreigners. And that was way before people declared him best Korean Terran. And him losing to the best foreign Zerg on the best Zerg map is hardly inexcusable.
That's humiliating and it seems it happened again here :/. Poor terrans
On March 27 2016 17:38 Poopi wrote: Who was the guy again that overhyped TY whom I told TY got badly beaten in dreamhack winter?
Idk who it was but that's not true. He lost 2 maps to pre-patch adepts and a close series vs Nerchio, those were the only maps he lost against foreigners. And that was way before people declared him best Korean Terran. And him losing to the best foreign Zerg on the best Zerg map is hardly inexcusable.
That's humiliating and it seems it happened again here :/. Poor terrans
Also to note, TY is generally like the opposite of TaeJa in weekend tournaments. Almost never gets anything done and always plays below his level.
...I like how at the beginning Rotti said "meh, it's 50-50, probably Harstem has some more here"... Stork is no Zest or herO and we are ok with that but c'mon...
On March 27 2016 18:05 ETisME wrote: pvp is so intense
That was pretty close until right at the end. Still though, good showing from Harstem in his first game of the day vs Stork's 3rd. I'm sure that helps a little bit. Unless the other guys that aren't playing are warming up against each other.
On March 27 2016 18:06 CynicalDeath wrote: ...I like how at the beginning Rotti said "meh, it's 50-50, probably Harstem has some more here"... Stork is no Zest or herO and we are ok with that but c'mon...
Big Kev is biased when it comes to Lil Kev? Color me shocked.
On March 27 2016 18:10 lastride wrote: wow TY 0-2. Then again he always did terrible overseas.
I'm not sure China counts as overseas for a Korean. But yeah he sucks outside of Korea.
Or korea is just way overrated :p
Yeah actually they were banned from WCS so they have a chance to win every now and then. Protecting them from the evil non-Koreans. And it was long overdue.
On March 27 2016 18:23 Elentos wrote: Guys I think Team Korea might win
Unexpected, considering the Global team has 5 of the 32 best players in the world :O
They have 5 of the 32 players in the world. I actually have no idea who the other 7 guys are supposed to be.
I don't get this 5 out of 32 best players thing, did I miss a meme?
It's from the original announcement of IEM Katowice this year, where they boldly proclaimed that one could watch the 32 best Starcraft 2 players in action at the event.
Even funnier, however, was the fact that they later edited it after they got so much shit for claiming they had the 32 best players. What did they edit it to? "Watch the 32 players of Starcraft 2 in the world"
also I think they could throw a "showmatch" tournament between the 6 Koreans there, would be fun to watch them play for real and not just stomp foreigners if they are already there
On March 27 2016 18:31 Ej_ wrote: also I think they could throw a "showmatch" tournament between the 6 Koreans there, would be fun to watch them play for real and not just stomp foreigners if they are already there
On March 27 2016 18:31 Ej_ wrote: also I think they could throw a "showmatch" tournament between the 6 Koreans there, would be fun to watch them play for real and not just stomp foreigners if they are already there
On March 27 2016 18:53 Aeromi wrote: France B team during NationWars > All-Stars
Korean lineup at NationWars was worse.
I mean, PartinG and Hydra played like shit.
Also MarineLord reached god level for that 1 evening. Might be a form he will never reach again, just like the QXC all-kill. A once in a lifetime thing.
On March 27 2016 18:53 rednusa wrote: 12-4.. this is getting embarrassing.
really? 4 map wins are more than expected
I think the problem is that they're going to play 25 games. If it were a best of 9 and Korea won 5-1 or 5-0, then while it is a stomp it doesn't look as bad as 20-5 or whatever it'll end up as.
I don't know why, but these Chinese ads make me feel more like I'm being ripped off by the products they advertise than regular ads (or rather ads in a language I understand) do.
On March 27 2016 19:24 Poopi wrote: ByuN Snute game-1 hype!! gogo Drogo Dear didn't qualify for my FPL
And then he won 5 games. Did you regret it?
Dear has some of the scariest PvP of all Koreans atm imo. He takes the engagements so well.
I'm interested in what's gonna happen in the next few months re:Dear's PvP. He's been outplayed a few times when I've been watching (sOs and Zest off the top of my head), but makes up for that by having the best engagements of any toss in the world (which frankly is the same skillset that drove him to win GSL / WCS Season Finals). It's gonna be interesting to see whether he stays around at the top once other tosses pick up on all his tricks.
On March 27 2016 19:24 Poopi wrote: ByuN Snute game-1 hype!! gogo Drogo Dear didn't qualify for my FPL
And then he won 5 games. Did you regret it?
Dear has some of the scariest PvP of all Koreans atm imo. He takes the engagements so well.
I'm interested in what's gonna happen in the next few months re:Dear's PvP. He's been outplayed a few times when I've been watching (sOs and Zest off the top of my head), but makes up for that by having the best engagements of any toss in the world (which frankly is the same skillset that drove him to win GSL / WCS Season Finals). It's gonna be interesting to see whether he stays around at the top once other tosses pick up on all his tricks.
I'd like to see him play a macro game vs Stats. Because Stats both plays his PvP very smart and he's been very much on top of his control in the matchup recently.
Proleague pls, give Dear vs Stats.
I think it's a matter of time for the really smart guys - Zest and sOs mainly - to return to the absolute top of PvP again. Where they were at HotS.
Also, I dunno why people were expecting 24-0 13-5 is currently a 73% win rate, which is probably a bit higher than I expected for mid tier KR vs foreigners
I just realised I'm disappointed they don't have 4 games on Central Protocol.
This feeling is weird.
On March 27 2016 19:43 thecrazymunchkin wrote: Also, I dunno why people were expecting 24-0 13-5 is currently a 73% win rate, which is probably a bit higher than I expected for mid tier KR vs foreigners
I agree a shutout was completely unrealistic, but TY dropping a map to iA was a complete surprise, and a second map against Snute was also not too likely.
I mean, everyone was expecting TY to 4-0, then he gets roach/ravagered to all hell. I mean it was kinda cheesy both times, but still people expected him to win.
I was wondering if Snute would get a fungal down when I saw the marines running through that, and he did it perfectly, despite the distraction at the 4th.
On March 27 2016 19:43 thecrazymunchkin wrote: Also, I dunno why people were expecting 24-0 13-5 is currently a 73% win rate, which is probably a bit higher than I expected for mid tier KR vs foreigners
I agree a shutout was completely unrealistic, but TY dropping a map to iA was a complete surprise, and a second map against Snute was also not too likely.
I mean, everyone was expecting TY to 4-0, then he gets roach/ravagered to all hell.
TY's always had a problem handling aggression. I haven't watched most of the games today, but if I were to suggest something for a zerg playing him I'd tell them to do what soO / Dark did to him in Proleague
I'm also not as hot on TY as everyone else is; his flaw's always been handling longer series / prep competitions. Latter half of this season's going to be interesting
On March 27 2016 19:43 Elentos wrote: I just realised I'm disappointed they don't have 4 games on Central Protocol.
This feeling is weird.
On March 27 2016 19:43 thecrazymunchkin wrote: Also, I dunno why people were expecting 24-0 13-5 is currently a 73% win rate, which is probably a bit higher than I expected for mid tier KR vs foreigners
I agree a shutout was completely unrealistic, but TY dropping a map to iA was a complete surprise, and a second map against Snute was also not too likely.
I mean, everyone was expecting TY to 4-0, then he gets roach/ravagered to all hell.
TY's always had a problem handling aggression. I haven't watched most of the games today, but if I were to suggest something for a zerg playing him I'd tell them to do what soO / Dark did to him in Proleague
I'm also not as hot on TY as everyone else is; his flaw's always been handling longer series / prep competitions. Latter half of this season's going to be interesting
His problem is - and I hate to say it because I love the guy - that he's a complete choker. Last year he pretty much had the SSL semis against ByuL won. He was so far ahead on Vaani and still ended up losing that game, then crushed ByuL in game 6 and crumbled in game 7.
my favorite build on Ulrena is hatch@natural, hatch@the corridor and then pool into watching Protoss marching his adept around the entire fucking map while I'm chuckling
On March 27 2016 19:58 djraphi23 wrote: Is DRG broke ? I mean, this is a showmatch. An all-in like that is boring.
He plays to win, just like all the other guys. That's why Snute goes for huge roach/ravager pushes into BL/infestor. It's boring but it works well enough.
On March 27 2016 19:59 Rollora wrote: Interesting Tourney. (Un?)fortunately I am in Iceland and cannot watch right now. Will there be VODs? And why is there no foreigner Terran?
On March 27 2016 19:59 Rollora wrote: Interesting Tourney. (Un?)fortunately I am in Iceland and cannot watch right now. Will there be VODs? And why is there no foreigner Terran?
4 of the players are the top 4 from the main tournament (Drogo, Snute, Harstem (champ) and puCK), the others got in via fan vote. Foreign Terrans about as popular as they are successful
On March 27 2016 19:59 Rollora wrote: Interesting Tourney. (Un?)fortunately I am in Iceland and cannot watch right now. Will there be VODs? And why is there no foreigner Terran?
Do foreigner terrans even exist
Jinro and in HOTS Bunny. But only for a short time. But why is that? Tastosis once said T is the mechanically hardest or most demanding (cant remember which one) race. Does it have something to do with that?
On March 27 2016 19:58 djraphi23 wrote: Is DRG broke ? I mean, this is a showmatch. An all-in like that is boring.
Agreed. Yeah, it's 500 bucks but save the cheese for the ladder or a bigger tournament.
Cheese is legit, always, like it or not.
Yeah. It is legit I agree but I don't like seeing cheese in show matches. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Exactly, I'm not a strong fan of cheese, but it serves as an excellent testimony of skill for the defending player, hence you maybe should put it that way to enjoy it a little bit more.
On March 27 2016 19:59 Rollora wrote: Interesting Tourney. (Un?)fortunately I am in Iceland and cannot watch right now. Will there be VODs? And why is there no foreigner Terran?
Do foreigner terrans even exist
Jinro and in HOTS Bunny. But only for a short time. But why is that? Tastosis once said T is the mechanically hardest or most demanding (cant remember which one) race. Does it have something to do with that?
It's quite interesting to me that once KeSPA came in, terrans in Korea have dropped significantly in power. TY and INnoVation aside, can you name a single KeSPA terran who you'd class as top tier?
In HotS, the vast majority of KR terrans became INnoVation-clones, except that because they're not inno they were all worse. Compare that to eSF terrans like Maru / TaeJa / Polt / Mvp / MMA etc etc who all tended to have their own styles (and of course were far more competitive).
It's noticeable that loads of foreigner terrans interviewed all quoted INno when they were asked about who they were copying stylistically, and this is where I feel the problem comes in - because all the other players mentioned above play far more cerebral styles. INnoVation plays a simpler game, and wins because he's just that good at steamrollering like a monster. It's an easier style to copy than showing someone a Maru vod and telling them to do that, but it's also a weaker style if you can't play it as well. It's also worth mentioning that INno actually adjusts on the fly quite a bit more than anyone truly gives him credit for, and maybe anyone copying him doesn't have the same capability to read the game.
TLDR: terrans in general look to copy inno rather than actually developing their own style, and rely on brute force that lets them down at the top level
On March 27 2016 20:31 Comedy wrote: Loving this showmatch, but how much better it could have been with Nerchio & Elazer playing instead of Toodming and Puck(?).
I mean Puck deserves the spot since he got top4, but yeah Toodming getting voted in was kinda stupid. Would've loved to see Godchio instead.
On March 27 2016 20:25 Poopi wrote: ByuN is just so good. Cool to see him deliver, terran hope How did they choose the players? Why is Drogo playing ByuN and Dear two times in a row?
It's actually not "they choose players", it's "players choose maps", that's why there are most zerg players on first 3 maps, and toss and terran players on the last 3 maps.
It would be awesome if more tournaments excluding korean pros could adopt this $500 showmatch format as well. It's extremely interesting to watch and the games just keep coming without a lot of downtime. I'm super happy with this tournament right now
On March 27 2016 20:36 Yiome wrote: TY is still 2-2 >< If stork got the last game then TY is still the worst of Koreans here into Kespa Jail!
KT players are immune to KeSPA jail man. If they lose to foreigners they probably receive apology letters from KeSPA for the poor playing conditions or something.
How was TY vs Harstem? Was having lunch with my family.
On March 27 2016 20:36 Yiome wrote: TY is still 2-2 >< If stork got the last game then TY is still the worst of Koreans here into Kespa Jail!
KT players are immune to KeSPA jail man. If they lose to foreigners they probably receive apology letters from KeSPA for the poor playing conditions or something.
How was TY vs Harstem? Was having lunch with my family.
Very one-sided, pretty much ended with a single push coupled with some liberator harassment in the meantime.
On March 27 2016 20:36 Yiome wrote: TY is still 2-2 >< If stork got the last game then TY is still the worst of Koreans here into Kespa Jail!
KT players are immune to KeSPA jail man. If they lose to foreigners they probably receive apology letters from KeSPA for the poor playing conditions or something.
How was TY vs Harstem? Was having lunch with my family.
Drops. Drops everywhere. When Harstem goes to sleep tonight he's going to dream about dropships.
On March 27 2016 20:37 Phredxor wrote: Are those predictions how many they've gotten right or wrong?
It's how many games they predicted wrong. On the Chinese stream you can see there are bottles of milk in front of those three casters representing how many games they've gotten wrong.
On March 27 2016 20:36 Yiome wrote: TY is still 2-2 >< If stork got the last game then TY is still the worst of Koreans here into Kespa Jail!
KT players are immune to KeSPA jail man. If they lose to foreigners they probably receive apology letters from KeSPA for the poor playing conditions or something.
How was TY vs Harstem? Was having lunch with my family.
Very one-sided, pretty much ended with a single push coupled with some liberator harassment in the meantime.
On March 27 2016 20:36 Yiome wrote: TY is still 2-2 >< If stork got the last game then TY is still the worst of Koreans here into Kespa Jail!
KT players are immune to KeSPA jail man. If they lose to foreigners they probably receive apology letters from KeSPA for the poor playing conditions or something.
How was TY vs Harstem? Was having lunch with my family.
Drops. Drops everywhere. When Harstem goes to sleep tonight he's going to dream about dropships.
Thanks guys. Pretty much what I expected.
I hope TY can keep his level as top 3 Terran. I just want him to have success ._.
On March 27 2016 20:37 Phredxor wrote: Are those predictions how many they've gotten right or wrong?
It's how many games they predicted wrong. On the Chinese stream you can see there are bottles of milk in front of those three casters representing how many games they've gotten wrong.
Puck and Scarlett liked the event and it was pretty meh for me, maybe because I was here for like 10 days and had to wait like 5 days until i played out my matches(friday -> wednesday) and they arrived on tuesday ..: P
On March 27 2016 21:03 Phredxor wrote: I take that back. Stork is very bad
What does that say about Inno?
Inno was terrible in that Code A match. Really, really bad. I'm still surprised that that started a hype train for Stork with people thinking he was a favorite in his Ro32 group ._.
On March 27 2016 21:03 Phredxor wrote: I take that back. Stork is very bad
What does that say about Inno?
Inno was terrible in that Code A match. Really, really bad. I'm still surprised that that started a hype train for Stork with people thinking he was a favorite in his Ro32 group ._.
Well he still got third in a strong group.
I think objectively speaking, "Stork is very bad" is not true. Depends on your standards I guess.
On March 27 2016 21:03 Phredxor wrote: I take that back. Stork is very bad
What does that say about Inno?
Inno was terrible in that Code A match. Really, really bad. I'm still surprised that that started a hype train for Stork with people thinking he was a favorite in his Ro32 group ._.
Well he still got third in a strong group.
I think objectively speaking, "Stork is very bad" is not true. Depends on your standards I guess.
Obviously he's better than me and anyone else here (Unless Nerchio is still lurking), but he played pretty damn poorly.
On March 27 2016 21:03 Phredxor wrote: I take that back. Stork is very bad
What does that say about Inno?
Inno was terrible in that Code A match. Really, really bad. I'm still surprised that that started a hype train for Stork with people thinking he was a favorite in his Ro32 group ._.
Well he still got third in a strong group.
I think objectively speaking, "Stork is very bad" is not true. Depends on your standards I guess.
Obviously he's better than me and anyone else here (Unless Nerchio is still lurking), but he played pretty damn poorly.
Yeah he was not so hot today, should've lost vs Toodming tbh.
On March 27 2016 21:03 Phredxor wrote: I take that back. Stork is very bad
What does that say about Inno?
Inno was terrible in that Code A match. Really, really bad. I'm still surprised that that started a hype train for Stork with people thinking he was a favorite in his Ro32 group ._.
Well he still got third in a strong group.
I think objectively speaking, "Stork is very bad" is not true. Depends on your standards I guess.
It was a good group, but not really that strong.
Of course Stork isn't objectively speaking "very bad", he plays on the pro level and it's not like everyone crushes him every time. But the way he played out that game against puCK was bad. The other games, too.
Can't even believe he won that game against Toodming.
If we discuss pro players, obviously we discuss them in context. Obviously Stork is a better player than the vast majority of players who've bought Starcraft 2. Equally though, he's clearly worse than the vast majority of players in Code S right now; I doubt you can argue that he's within the top 40 or so in KR.
"Very bad" is a defensible statement if you're talking about his status as a KR pro.
On March 27 2016 21:22 thecrazymunchkin wrote: If we discuss pro players, obviously we discuss them in context. Obviously Stork is a better player than the vast majority of players who've bought Starcraft 2. Equally though, he's clearly worse than the vast majority of players in Code S right now; I doubt you can argue that he's within the top 40 or so in KR.
"Very bad" is a defensible statement if you're talking about his status as a KR pro.
Well he finished top 24 in Code S, so I think arguing he is top40 is not that hard.
He is one of the weaker Code S level players yes, but calling a Code S level player very bad in any context does not seem right to me.
On March 27 2016 21:22 thecrazymunchkin wrote: If we discuss pro players, obviously we discuss them in context. Obviously Stork is a better player than the vast majority of players who've bought Starcraft 2. Equally though, he's clearly worse than the vast majority of players in Code S right now; I doubt you can argue that he's within the top 40 or so in KR.
"Very bad" is a defensible statement if you're talking about his status as a KR pro.
Well he finished top 24 in Code S, so I think arguing he is top40 is not that hard.
He is one of the weaker Code S level players yes, but calling a Code S level player very bad in any context does not seem right to me.
Well frankly, I think there were a bunch of players in Code A that are better than Stork and either didn't perform or just faced players much stronger than Stork (*cough* Maru vs Zest *cough*), so just the placement doesn't really mean much.
So yeah, he's just contextually very bad. Aka he was very bad in his matches today. Except against Harstem I guess. Well the first half of his rematch vs puCK was also fine.
On March 27 2016 21:22 thecrazymunchkin wrote: If we discuss pro players, obviously we discuss them in context. Obviously Stork is a better player than the vast majority of players who've bought Starcraft 2. Equally though, he's clearly worse than the vast majority of players in Code S right now; I doubt you can argue that he's within the top 40 or so in KR.
"Very bad" is a defensible statement if you're talking about his status as a KR pro.
Well he finished top 24 in Code S, so I think arguing he is top40 is not that hard.
He is one of the weaker Code S level players yes, but calling a Code S level player very bad in any context does not seem right to me.
Well frankly, I think there were a bunch of players in Code A that are better than Stork and either didn't perform or just faced players much stronger than Stork (*cough* Maru vs Zest *cough*), so just the placement doesn't really mean much.
So yeah, he's just contextually very bad. Aka he was very bad in his matches today. Except against Harstem I guess. Well the first half of his rematch vs puCK was also fine.
That I can see, but then we should just say "Stork played very bad today/in this game".
Does not sound disrespectful and is way more precise.
Edit: Also I do not think his placement means he is top 24 in Korea, but I think around top 40 makes sense, even if you put Maru and the others that underperformed or got a hard draw ahead of him
By the way I'm quite amazed at how good Dear is, not just in PvP but also against Zerg. From what I can tell he has won almost all of his PvZs in LotV.
I'd say he's best PvZ atm, best PvT is Zest and best PvP is kinda open (but imo it's between Dear and Stats). Dear's just slightly on the weaker side against Terran so far.
(If anyone cares, IMO best TvT is Maru, best TvP TY; best TvZ is hard to say, I'd say Inno or ByuN)
On March 27 2016 21:22 thecrazymunchkin wrote: If we discuss pro players, obviously we discuss them in context. Obviously Stork is a better player than the vast majority of players who've bought Starcraft 2. Equally though, he's clearly worse than the vast majority of players in Code S right now; I doubt you can argue that he's within the top 40 or so in KR.
"Very bad" is a defensible statement if you're talking about his status as a KR pro.
Well he finished top 24 in Code S, so I think arguing he is top40 is not that hard.
He is one of the weaker Code S level players yes, but calling a Code S level player very bad in any context does not seem right to me.
Well frankly, I think there were a bunch of players in Code A that are better than Stork and either didn't perform or just faced players much stronger than Stork (*cough* Maru vs Zest *cough*), so just the placement doesn't really mean much.
So yeah, he's just contextually very bad. Aka he was very bad in his matches today. Except against Harstem I guess. Well the first half of his rematch vs puCK was also fine.
That I can see, but then we should just say "Stork played very bad today/in this game".
Does not sound disrespectful and is way more precise.
Edit: Also I do not think his placement means he is top 24 in Korea, but I think around top 40 makes sense, even if you put Maru and the others that underperformed or got a hard draw ahead of him
DeParture ByuL Rogue Impact Curious soO Losira RagnaroK Soulkey Leenock DRG Dark Solar (13 Z)
That's purely based off an eye test on Code A participants, and while you might be able to argue about a few of them, I'd like to see someone try to cut 15 players from the list for Stork to be top 40.
This isn't really Stork-bashing, cause I love him, but he's a coach, not a player. If anything, we should be marveling that he remains in the top 50 or so players in KR even while he's not a pro player
On March 27 2016 21:22 thecrazymunchkin wrote: If we discuss pro players, obviously we discuss them in context. Obviously Stork is a better player than the vast majority of players who've bought Starcraft 2. Equally though, he's clearly worse than the vast majority of players in Code S right now; I doubt you can argue that he's within the top 40 or so in KR.
"Very bad" is a defensible statement if you're talking about his status as a KR pro.
Well he finished top 24 in Code S, so I think arguing he is top40 is not that hard.
He is one of the weaker Code S level players yes, but calling a Code S level player very bad in any context does not seem right to me.
Well frankly, I think there were a bunch of players in Code A that are better than Stork and either didn't perform or just faced players much stronger than Stork (*cough* Maru vs Zest *cough*), so just the placement doesn't really mean much.
So yeah, he's just contextually very bad. Aka he was very bad in his matches today. Except against Harstem I guess. Well the first half of his rematch vs puCK was also fine.
That I can see, but then we should just say "Stork played very bad today/in this game".
Does not sound disrespectful and is way more precise.
Edit: Also I do not think his placement means he is top 24 in Korea, but I think around top 40 makes sense, even if you put Maru and the others that underperformed or got a hard draw ahead of him
DeParture ByuL Rogue Impact Curious soO Losira RagnaroK Soulkey Leenock DRG Dark Solar (13 Z)
That's purely based off an eye test on Code A participants, and while you might be able to argue about a few of them, I'd like to see someone try to cut 15 players from the list for Stork to be top 40.
This isn't really Stork-bashing, cause I love him, but he's a coach, not a player. If anything, we should be marveling that he remains in the top 50 or so players in KR even while he's not a pro player
I thought about it, and I couldn't think of 15. On the other hand, 18+13+14 is 45, so cutting 5 is all that's needed and that's doable, although it's not very clear cut who's better between, let's say Stork and Billowy.
On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote: Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.
We'll see how creative Blizzard gets with their maps for the rest of the year. Depending on the cool factor™, the balance of power could shift.
Yeah, a standard pool would favour KR more for sure. I think foreigners underperformed here compared to what I expected, and we've seen before that series planning against a known opponent is generally something that the top tier KR pros are exceptional at. That said, I think the group format makes a foreigner upset far more likely than the old BO5 playoff style. I expect 1-2 foreigners to make it out, although obviously we've still got a hell of a long way to go to get a better idea of where things stand
On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote: Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.
We'll see how creative Blizzard gets with their maps for the rest of the year. Depending on the cool factor™, the balance of power could shift.
Yeah, a standard pool would favour KR more for sure. I think foreigners underperformed here compared to what I expected, and we've seen before that series planning against a known opponent is generally something that the top tier KR pros are exceptional at. That said, I think the group format makes a foreigner upset far more likely than the old BO5 playoff style. I expect 1-2 foreigners to make it out, although obviously we've still got a hell of a long way to go to get a better idea of where things stand
That why Foreigners need TLO.Kr team has stork's phenomenal player choice as a huge advantage.
On March 27 2016 20:06 puCK wrote: This has been a great experience, one of the best tournaments I have ever attended if not the best.
Hope you're not saying this just because of the free cash, but because of the overall atmosphere
the whole thing has been pretty amazing in person
That's awesome. Can I ask what makes this one particularly great in person? From a outside perspective it looks well run and the crowd is nice for sure.
Oh wow my 18-6 prediction was actually correct. I didn't expect it to be after seeing the first 12 games especially considering how close some of those Chinese games were.
Normally, I don't watch English streams, so until now, I never knew how obnoxious pig's commentating is to watch. Other than that, I had so much fun watching this tournament. I hope they do more of these All-Star tournaments in the future.
On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote: Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.
No koreans have winrate less than 50% No foreigners have winrate more than 50% When they meet in blizzon in BO3s or BO5s, you should know what will happen..
On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote: Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.
No koreans have winrate less than 50% No foreigners have winrate more than 50% When they meet in blizzon in BO3s or BO5s, you should know what will happen..
These showmatches were a really cool idea, imo. Hopefully, this shows some organizers that there's still an interest in Foreigner vs Korean games. On Twitch alone (dunno how Chinese people watched the tournament, tbh), the showmatches attracted basically the same amount of viewers as the final day of the tournament on average (with the peak being quite a bit lower), which, in my opinion, is a huge accomplishment, considering it's only been show matches.
On March 28 2016 06:15 Swisslink wrote: These showmatches were a really cool idea, imo. Hopefully, this shows some organizers that there's still an interest in Foreigner vs Korean games. On Twitch alone (dunno how Chinese people watched the tournament, tbh), the showmatches attracted basically the same amount of viewers as the final day of the tournament on average (with the peak being quite a bit lower), which, in my opinion, is a huge accomplishment, considering it's only been show matches.
Also considering it's Easter Sunday and the matches were mostly played in the morning for EU (after the switch from CET to CEST aswell). Honestly, by all accounts the viewer count should have been lower.
On March 28 2016 06:15 Swisslink wrote: These showmatches were a really cool idea, imo. Hopefully, this shows some organizers that there's still an interest in Foreigner vs Korean games. On Twitch alone (dunno how Chinese people watched the tournament, tbh), the showmatches attracted basically the same amount of viewers as the final day of the tournament on average (with the peak being quite a bit lower), which, in my opinion, is a huge accomplishment, considering it's only been show matches.
The interest in foreigner vs korean had been there forever and will remain until sc2 will have a following. The interest is not in seeing "international" tournaments with an all korean top 8/16
On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote: Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.
No koreans have winrate less than 50% No foreigners have winrate more than 50% When they meet in blizzon in BO3s or BO5s, you should know what will happen..
Source?
I mean in this show match. the worst koreans are Ty and stork with 2-2 (50%). the best foreigners are snute and puck with 2-2 (50%).
On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote: Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.
No koreans have winrate less than 50% No foreigners have winrate more than 50% When they meet in blizzon in BO3s or BO5s, you should know what will happen..
Source?
I mean in this show match. the worst koreans are Ty and stork with 2-2 (50%). the best foreigners are snute and puck with 2-2 (50%).
Well, seeing as two Koreans and two foreigners got 50%, your statement is kind of misleading.
So, when they meet in Blizzcon, two foreigners and two Koreans should have 50% win rates. So what's your point?
On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote: Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.
No koreans have winrate less than 50% No foreigners have winrate more than 50% When they meet in blizzon in BO3s or BO5s, you should know what will happen..
Source?
I mean in this show match. the worst koreans are Ty and stork with 2-2 (50%). the best foreigners are snute and puck with 2-2 (50%).
Well, seeing as two Koreans and two foreigners got 50%, your statement is kind of misleading.
So, when they meet in Blizzcon, two foreigners and two Koreans should have 50% win rates. So what's your point?
the point is that koreans still had a 75% winrate. The point is that stork is a coach and still demolish harstem, the ''champion'' The point is that this was a bo1, without any preparation (which usually vastly favors korean) The point is that 3 of their wins were all ins (2 vs TY, 1 vs DRG) The point is that in a bo5/bo7, koreans will perform way better, because the longer a serie goes, the more it favors the stronger player.
On March 27 2016 22:06 seemsgood wrote: Wow and both side try hard as fuck too I think blizzcon will be super epic Not one side as people thought.
No koreans have winrate less than 50% No foreigners have winrate more than 50% When they meet in blizzon in BO3s or BO5s, you should know what will happen..
Source?
I mean in this show match. the worst koreans are Ty and stork with 2-2 (50%). the best foreigners are snute and puck with 2-2 (50%).
Well, seeing as two Koreans and two foreigners got 50%, your statement is kind of misleading.
So, when they meet in Blizzcon, two foreigners and two Koreans should have 50% win rates. So what's your point?
the point is that koreans still had a 75% winrate. The point is that stork is a coach and still demolish harstem, the ''champion'' The point is that this was a bo1, without any preparation (which usually vastly favors korean) The point is that 3 of their wins were all ins (2 vs TY, 1 vs DRG) The point is that in a bo5/bo7, koreans will perform way better, because the longer a serie goes, the more it favors the stronger player.
Need any other points?
No, those points are all valid. However, none of what you said was conveyed in your original post. The fact that two Koreans and two foreigners have the same winrate doesn't really mean anything. It was what you said in this post that was your meaning
But I must say that all-ins do not take away from wins seeing as Parting and Life both are known for their all ins. sOs is a master at weird early games. And yes, mostly likely the Koreans will win, but the thing is, major detractors of foreign Starcraft and WCS say that foreigners are far below the level of Koreans. But we saw foreigners performing well in multiple close macro games along with Harstem beating Byul in a longer game.
If foreigners, and the not-as-good ones can take games off of Code A and Code S players, then that bodes well for the best of the foreigners going up against mid-high code A players. Whether you like it or not, stork is still a Code S/Code A player. And we saw puck, a-not-the-best player from NA, which is worse than EU, beat him twice,
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Should still be awesome though! Korean versus foreign hope hype all night!
and in HOTS Bunny. But only for a short time. But why is that? Tastosis once said T is the mechanically hardest or most demanding (cant remember which one) race. Does it have something to do with that?
