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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
March 22 2016 12:42 GMT
#821
On March 22 2016 21:15 Elentos wrote:

I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.


Oh yes, this too! He didn't react at all for any of the ovies.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-22 12:44:38
March 22 2016 12:42 GMT
#822
On March 22 2016 21:36 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 21:11 Elentos wrote:
On March 22 2016 21:09 Diabolique wrote:
On March 22 2016 21:07 Elentos wrote:
On March 22 2016 21:04 Makro wrote:
On March 22 2016 20:59 OtherWorld wrote:
lol KT
I really think we're on to another year of complete domination from SKT

TY threw

He really kinda did. Unfortunate. I mean the actual tragedy in this is that we won't see TY play to make up for this for another 2+ weeks.

2+ weeks? When does the next round start? I guess at least a month break? :-(

Dunno. I think for the last two years the next round of PL always started ~2 1/2 weeks after the playoff finals for the previous round. That would be around mid April (the 11th or something). And his GSL group was pushed back by a week.

But usually there were 4 rounds per year. Now there are just 3 rounds per year. Therefore, I expect a break of 4-6 weeks :-(

That doesn't sound very realistic because the season started in February though. Even with 3 rounds, if they take breaks of that length, they'll be done at around Blizzcon. With round 3. That's really late and not very good for the teams and players.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19235 Posts
March 22 2016 12:48 GMT
#823
On March 22 2016 21:42 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 21:15 Elentos wrote:

I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.


Oh yes, this too! He didn't react at all for any of the ovies.

Which is exactly why I said his pylon/building placement was shite. This is easy to prevent(for a pro) if you have better vision of your base.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 22 2016 12:52 GMT
#824
On March 22 2016 21:48 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 21:42 Silvana wrote:
On March 22 2016 21:15 Elentos wrote:

I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.


Oh yes, this too! He didn't react at all for any of the ovies.

Which is exactly why I said his pylon/building placement was shite. This is easy to prevent(for a pro) if you have better vision of your base.

Even without perfect vision, overlords floated into his mineral lines unhindered at that point in the game. Why would that happen on this level of play if not for a drop? So just pull the damn probes.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-22 13:15:06
March 22 2016 13:10 GMT
#825
On March 22 2016 21:52 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 21:48 BisuDagger wrote:
On March 22 2016 21:42 Silvana wrote:
On March 22 2016 21:15 Elentos wrote:

I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.


Oh yes, this too! He didn't react at all for any of the ovies.

Which is exactly why I said his pylon/building placement was shite. This is easy to prevent(for a pro) if you have better vision of your base.

Even without perfect vision, overlords floated into his mineral lines unhindered at that point in the game. Why would that happen on this level of play if not for a drop? So just pull the damn probes.


For scouting, 2 robos just went down - wouldn't have been an odd scout timing

But yeah he was slow to react. Nydus followup looks stupid but it's the bane drops that made it impossible to stop. Zest made mistakes, but I'm still not happy with PvZ. Protoss has essentially one build, zerg only need to figure out that they're not being all-inned and can then dictate exactly how they want the game to go.

Not a balance concern though. Just makes the matchup really boring from a protoss perspective.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 22 2016 13:14 GMT
#826
On March 22 2016 22:10 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 21:52 Elentos wrote:
On March 22 2016 21:48 BisuDagger wrote:
On March 22 2016 21:42 Silvana wrote:
On March 22 2016 21:15 Elentos wrote:

I think the bigger mistake was not pulling his probes when 2 overlords suddenly floated into his mineral lines. Whether it's lings, banes or roaches, the probes can't stay.


Oh yes, this too! He didn't react at all for any of the ovies.

Which is exactly why I said his pylon/building placement was shite. This is easy to prevent(for a pro) if you have better vision of your base.

Even without perfect vision, overlords floated into his mineral lines unhindered at that point in the game. Why would that happen on this level of play if not for a drop? So just pull the damn probes.


For scouting

But yeah he was slow to react. Nydus followup looks stupid but it's the bane drops that made it impossible to stop. Zest made mistakes, but I'm still not happy with PvZ. Protoss has essentially one build, zerg only need to figure out that they're not being all-inned and can then dictate exactly how they want the game to go.

Not a balance concern though. Just makes the matchup really boring from a protoss perspective.

Yeah, PvZ is quite stale already and not that interesting.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44317 Posts
March 22 2016 13:46 GMT
#827
Wow KT's out already! Great news for SKT
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
March 22 2016 14:12 GMT
#828
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Great news for SKT


Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.

It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 22 2016 14:16 GMT
#829
On March 22 2016 23:12 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Great news for SKT


Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.

It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.

We'll probably 0-4.
kiss kiss fall in love
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
March 22 2016 14:21 GMT
#830
Reading the LR makes the VODs seem very enticing!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 22 2016 14:24 GMT
#831
On March 22 2016 23:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 23:12 Silvana wrote:
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Great news for SKT


Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.

It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.

We'll probably 0-4.

Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 22 2016 14:25 GMT
#832
On March 22 2016 23:24 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 23:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:12 Silvana wrote:
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Great news for SKT


Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.

It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.

We'll probably 0-4.

Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(

I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?
kiss kiss fall in love
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 22 2016 14:27 GMT
#833
On March 22 2016 23:25 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 23:24 Diabolique wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:12 Silvana wrote:
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Great news for SKT


Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.

It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.

We'll probably 0-4.

Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(

I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?

I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 22 2016 14:29 GMT
#834
On March 22 2016 23:27 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 23:25 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:24 Diabolique wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:12 Silvana wrote:
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Great news for SKT


Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.

It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.

We'll probably 0-4.

Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(

I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?

I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...

I haven't been watching my "3 hours" a week, but I wonder if we can get some map specialists for the Dark/soO combo.
kiss kiss fall in love
wjat
Profile Joined August 2015
385 Posts
March 22 2016 14:30 GMT
#835
omg that match was so awesome. Maru should have been mvp !
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 22 2016 14:31 GMT
#836
On March 22 2016 23:30 wjat wrote:
omg that match was so awesome. Maru should have been mvp !

Which one? All his matches were awesome! I liked mostly probably the first one, because he destroyed Stats so easily ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 22 2016 14:47 GMT
#837
Well, if nothing else, it will be interesting to see who plays on Saturday, whether it's Trap or Cure. I'd personally favor Cure over Trap against most players SKT could field (actually the only time I'd send out Trap over Cure is probably vs INnoVation). I hope the match will be at least half as good as the one today, otherwise I'll get even more annoyed that KT lost.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 22 2016 14:47 GMT
#838
Finally, the VODs are coming out ... the first one, in Korean, the last game ... that was soooo great!!!! :-)
https://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 22 2016 14:49 GMT
#839
On March 22 2016 23:27 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 23:25 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:24 Diabolique wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:12 Silvana wrote:
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Great news for SKT


Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.

It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.

We'll probably 0-4.

Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(

I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?

I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...

Trap maybe? He has a great record vs dark. soO is problem though.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-22 15:00:01
March 22 2016 14:53 GMT
#840
On March 22 2016 23:49 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 23:27 Diabolique wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:25 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:24 Diabolique wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:16 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 22 2016 23:12 Silvana wrote:
On March 22 2016 22:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Great news for SKT


Indeed. I think we are the only one who can possibly defeat SKT.

It seems that SKT < KT < JAGW < SKT. Which would be a nice balance but SKT is OP these days... Kespa should call David Kim.

We'll probably 0-4.

Maru can beat anyone from SKT except the two Zergs. Who could beat the two Zergs? Actually, I am not sure. sOs could beat anyone, but he could also lose to anyone. Rogue used to be good, ZvZ is a bit random, but Dark will have the training from SSL ... well, we will probably not find any weapon against these two Zergs :-(

I honestly would like us to take it to the ace match but I'm not that confident in victory. I think we'll have to lead with Maru, and save $O$ for a snipe or something but not rely on him to AK?

I agree with saving sOs for later, but what is they start with Dark or soO? Then, it would be a very tough match. Maybe, we should start with Cure? And maybe, with some miracle, he could beat a Zerg ...

Trap maybe? He has a great record vs dark. soO is problem though.

Trap used to be very good at it, but it's now LotV, and his style of PvZ isn't really a thing anymore. Similarly, Cure always did well against Dark in HotS and poorly against soO.

So many things have changed in LotV, who knows how they match up now?

There's some matchups I think Jin Air should definitely avoid if they can, like Cure vs INnoVation. But it's hard to judge overall. Classic has been in bad shape recently, otherwise he'd be an excellent counter to pretty much anyone on Jin Air.
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