GPL International Challenge is a $42800 offline event in China with both a single player and an archon mode portion. It is part of the Chinese LotV launch celebration and is the first offline LotV competition, organized by Blizzard/Netease.
On November 11 2015 00:02 Luolis wrote: If lilbow does really well in this i think he made his point well.
The only point is that lilbow should not have been in blizzcon. Not practicing is not an issue, and lilbow losing in this tournament early is also okay.
Some clarification and more info (was about to post a more detailed thread but was a bit under the weather so didn't):
It is part of the Chinese LotV launch celebration and is the first offline LotV competition, organized by Blizzard/Netease obviously if you notice the "Golden" tag which was used by their tournaments throughout the year. And there will be foreign language broadcasts, details about that will be added when I got things sorted with all the parties.
As a French living in Shanghai I am very interested to know the time and place of this tournament. Is anyone aware of it ? If yes, I will be very thankful if someone could post these infos or pm me about it.
On November 11 2015 01:29 Tomzzz wrote: Hello guys,
As a French living in Shanghai I am very interested to know the time and place of this tournament. Is anyone aware of it ? If I will be very thankful if someone could post these infos or pm me about it.
Thank you!
The NetEase/Blizzard Esports studio, subway line 13, exit 3. Day 1 (15th) is not open to public but you can watch live starting from 11am on 16th, entrance is free but is first come, first serve.
I would like JD to go far, unfortunately the exhibition with Flash was quite one sided ... Well, and Lilbow ... either he should win it all or get kicked out in the first round ... I slightly prefer the second option ...
Shall I create a separate LR or just use this thread for discusssion? Since the first day won't have many matches, just a Chinese LotV launch celebration.
On November 15 2015 19:16 Yiome wrote: Chinese stream is live now. Now is LotV launch event, Flash vs Xiaose/F91 Archon showmatch: http://www.douyutv.com/82686
Those are Danmu(Shootscreen) Click the bar next to volume bar.Then it should show “弹幕关” (Danmu off), and you will not see those chat messages Edit: Also funny how Douyu's Danmu system actually can load for you guys in Europe. It is usually very slow and not loading for me :'(
On November 15 2015 19:16 Yiome wrote: Chinese stream is live now. Now is LotV launch event, Flash vs Xiaose/F91 Archon showmatch: http://www.douyutv.com/82686
Why are there chinese signs all over the screen?
Ah I found it, to the right of the volume. You can turn it off. Put the slider to the right!
On November 15 2015 19:24 Yiome wrote: Those are Danmu(Shootscreen) Click the bar next to volume bar.Then it should show “弹幕关” (Danmu off), and you will not see those chat messages
On November 15 2015 20:16 Prodigga wrote: What the hell is up with the words flying across the video.
Edit:
But thanks for the link!
On November 15 2015 19:24 Yiome wrote: Those are Danmu(Shootscreen) Click the bar next to volume bar.Then it should show “弹幕关” (Danmu off), and you will not see those chat messages Edit: Also funny how Douyu's Danmu system actually can load for you guys in Europe. It is usually very slow and not loading for me :'(
yeah they're just comments from stream viewers. it's been popular ever since nico nico douga (Japanese streaming service) did this. all you gotta do is hit the slider bar to off.
On November 15 2015 21:36 oGoZenob wrote: the douyu stream is extremly laggy for me, is there a way to lower the quality ?
button left of the gears icon is a drop menu for quality top to bottom, high to low.
oh so i'm already in the lower one ^^ the two top one are behind paywall ? it's talking to me in chinese when i click it
Behind log in only, but not a lot of promise that douyu works nice outside of China especially in Europe. EsportsHeaven will be providing English coverage starting from day 2 (since day 1 is mostly irrelevant things).
On November 15 2015 21:36 oGoZenob wrote: the douyu stream is extremly laggy for me, is there a way to lower the quality ?
button left of the gears icon is a drop menu for quality top to bottom, high to low.
oh so i'm already in the lower one ^^ the two top one are behind paywall ? it's talking to me in chinese when i click it
Behind log in only, but not a lot of promise that douyu works nice outside of China especially in Europe. EsportsHeaven will be providing English coverage starting from day 2 (since day 1 is mostly irrelevant things).
like flash/jaedong archon wrecking shit. MLJesus level play from them.
On November 15 2015 22:01 Emperor_Earth wrote: I'm translating some of the casting at what was supposed to be the English stream: http://www.twitch.tv/esportsheaven
I speak Mandarin at only a four year-old level, but it's better than nothing.
The Chinese players seem to have nice ideas, but very poor performance ... the use of Liberator was so stupid, keeping him far from the probes and letting him shoot the nexus ..
Seriously? Lilbow practices all this time and all he has learned is how to do abusive two base all ins? Those kinds of strategy dont have longevity- basically its "i hope my opponent doesnt know about this very specific all in". I hope someone tells flash about them all ins.
On November 16 2015 14:22 doihy wrote: Seriously? Lilbow practices all this time and all he has learned is how to do abusive two base all ins? Those kinds of strategy dont have longevity- basically its "i hope my opponent doesnt know about this very specific all in". I hope someone tells flash about them all ins.
2 base all ins won HotS for Protoss, I'm not sure why you'd say they don't have longevity
On November 16 2015 14:25 Diabolique wrote: Not that I would wish something bad to Lilbow, but I would like to read his next tweets if he loses the third game :-)
He was "targeting" the next LOTV tournament not this.
Shana's got really good ideas but pretty bad execution right now. So many sloppy losses of individual units (raven, tanks, banshee) that are hurting him (also banshees idling a lot not helping either )
On November 16 2015 14:35 CakeSauc3 wrote: Shana's got really good ideas but pretty bad execution right now. So many sloppy losses of individual units (raven, tanks, banshee) that are hurting him (also banshees idling a lot not helping either )
On November 16 2015 14:41 atrox_ wrote: that's it for the day? talking about tomorrow schedule?
3 BO3s a day till Wednesday, 4 BO3s on Thursday, BO5s and BO7 finals on Friday and Saturday. Tomorrow's matches are Snute/Lilbow vs Mystery/Jim, Flash vs iAsonu and 1v1 winner's round 1.
Shana's mechanics make me cry. T_T He could've beaten lilbow...
Twitch chat though, as usual with the dumb comments and bigotry lol, thanks I didn't know that China and South Korea are the same thing and that the commentators are emotionless robot factory workers because they're Asian. I should just never look at the chat again in fear of losing brain cells haha XD. + Show Spoiler +
feels almost like a throw from snute? why did he stay on such a low drone count all game, he could have gone up to 60 or more drones and saturated that 4th easily.
On November 17 2015 12:33 The_Red_Viper wrote: Not gonna lie, this tournament has the worst schedule i have seen in a long time
Agree, start in the early morning when even Chinese are not watching is weird, but they have to finish sometime early because the venue need to to be refitted for Heroes of the Storm tournament in the evening.
I was more talking about the fact that they take like 6 days for a very small amount of games. Whenever i start the stream there is no game going on, it feels very weird to me haha
On November 17 2015 12:46 The_Red_Viper wrote: I was more talking about the fact that they take like 6 days for a very small amount of games. Whenever i start the stream there is no game going on, it feels very weird to me haha
Did they really stream only one series on the first day?
On November 17 2015 12:46 The_Red_Viper wrote: I was more talking about the fact that they take like 6 days for a very small amount of games. Whenever i start the stream there is no game going on, it feels very weird to me haha
I think the problem is that the tournament is running in parallel with GHL the Heroes league that broadcasts every evening at 7pm, so they have to leave several hours for the venue to be retrofitted, which means they probably have to finish before 2/3pm, that leaves around 3-4 hours every day for them, 3/4 BO3s in that timeframe isn't very unreasonable tbh.
On November 17 2015 12:46 The_Red_Viper wrote: I was more talking about the fact that they take like 6 days for a very small amount of games. Whenever i start the stream there is no game going on, it feels very weird to me haha
Did they really stream only one series on the first day?
The first day is mainly Chinese LotV launch celebration so the majority are interviews and showmatches.
There's an interview of LotV develope team before this event by "13天13", the moderator of Baidu sc2 tieba, one of largest Chinese starcraft community.
Here's some information: About the ending: it is not Raynor's dream, and Kerrigan really comes back. Because she is god now, so she make a human form to take Raynor.
13天13 suggests a new mode similar to Heartstone's Tavern Brawl: they it is a great idea and could be added to the automated tournaments. The detail may still need to discuss.
About Starcraft 3: they are not certain now.
About co-op: they will add more commanders and maps. There will be a new commander on December, 2 on January, and 3 on March.
About balance: it is too early to say anything about it, because people may not find the best counter yet. It is not good to make balance change so frequently.
About units skins: they are developing some new skins, but they do not know every detail because they are not responsible for the art. The skins is not added to campaign because it may result unstable performance. However, there will be some Amon's skin. It is certain that Tal'darim Protoss and Moebius Terran will be used for Amon's skin, but Zerg one is not determined. They also have several plans about how the skins charged or obtained, but not determined yet.
You may expect tournaments of carbot mode.
The seventh co-op commander is known, but it is inconvenient to reveal it now.
Ok that game had nothing to do with a bullshit strategy. Just flash playing greedy vs a chinese zerg. I haven't seen decision making that bad from flash since he salvaged his bunkers or when he decided to scv pull herO 6 games in a row.
On November 17 2015 13:48 CakeSauc3 wrote: Flash and JD decided to both go to the Loser's bracket to make this interesting?
FlaSh is on a pro-team, so LotV is very new for him.
Not sure for JD.
Conversely, Chinese players have had a lot more time to innovate and understand units/timings. Things like mass oracles vs max-armor ultras, as poorly as Jim executed that tactic.
Not sure about Snute either but that was fairly easy to follow WoL/HotS ZvZ, with more drones at the start. Just good defense in Set 1 and BO loss in Set 2.
JD made me sad ... I was hoping to see some nice game from him and instead, he just throwed a coin in game one ... you do this when you play against someone much stronger than you ...
On November 17 2015 14:01 Diabolique wrote: JD made me sad ... I was hoping to see some nice game from him and instead, he just throwed a coin in game one ... you do this when you play against someone much stronger than you ...
that was painfully bad. Between flash not knowing he is on a new game and jd going full naniwa in game 1, that was one of the worst display of skill i've seen in a tournament of that caliber. But the cast was fun =)
On November 17 2015 14:01 Diabolique wrote: JD made me sad ... I was hoping to see some nice game from him and instead, he just throwed a coin in game one ... you do this when you play against someone much stronger than you ...
On November 17 2015 14:01 Diabolique wrote: JD made me sad ... I was hoping to see some nice game from him and instead, he just throwed a coin in game one ... you do this when you play against someone much stronger than you ...
Jaedong does it vs anyone.
But why? Did not he try LotV yet?
No I mean, throughout HotS he's always used coinflip builds. It's just who he is.
On November 17 2015 14:01 Diabolique wrote: JD made me sad ... I was hoping to see some nice game from him and instead, he just throwed a coin in game one ... you do this when you play against someone much stronger than you ...
Jaedong does it vs anyone.
But why? Did not he try LotV yet?
No I mean, throughout HotS he's always used coinflip builds. It's just who he is.
Flash and Jaedong were like "Okay one of us has to lose so we can't meet before Grand Finals" "Right" "K thx l8r" and never talked about who should do it so they both lost.
I wish this tournament wasn't stretched out over 3 decades though.
Game 1 JD went for an early pool all-in and pulled his drones, trying to get 2 spines up in Snute's base. Snute had enough and easily canceled both spines and defended the all-in.
Game 2 Snute went for the fast 1base speedlingl/baneling all-in and just ended the game immediately. JD lost all his lings to the banelings, when he moved down his ramp to chase the lings of Snute.
Game 1 JD went for an early pool all-in and pulled his drones, trying to get 2 spines up in Snute's base. Snute had enough and easily canceled both spines and defended the all-in.
Game 2 Snute went for the fast 1base speedlingl/baneling all-in and just ended the game immediately. JD lost all his lings to the banelings, when he moved down his ramp to chase the lings of Snute.
On November 18 2015 04:25 smOOthMayDie wrote: heh, theres a very high chance of lilbow winning this tournament now.
There's a loser bracket and Protoss players are complaining that their race is too weak. I don't think his chances have increased.
Jaedong doesn't look very impressive, and Flash looks like he's incredibly weak against zerg players, and JD vs Flash might happen in LR3, and depending on how Lilbow does in his next match, if he does well, his chances of winning are pretty solid.
On November 18 2015 04:25 smOOthMayDie wrote: heh, theres a very high chance of lilbow winning this tournament now.
There's a loser bracket and Protoss players are complaining that their race is too weak. I don't think his chances have increased.
Jaedong doesn't look very impressive, and Flash looks like he's incredibly weak against zerg players, and JD vs Flash might happen in LR3, and depending on how Lilbow does in his next match, if he does well, his chances of winning are pretty solid.
Snute's still there. Flash got all-inned twice. Jaedong had a weird series against Jim where he deflected the bullshit and then your typical coinflip ZvZ against Snute. I think the jury is still out on how good any of these guys actually are.
On November 18 2015 12:28 FlyingSteaks wrote: Archon games are really cool, what do you guys think if Proleague implemented 1 archon match? Like 4 normal games and 1 archon as the third game maybe
I'm really surprised more terrans aren't getting the medivac upgrade. It seems really good. Especially when you're going to to full wol gumiho with the drops.
On November 18 2015 12:59 royalroadweed wrote: Should anyone play zerg archon mode? Perfect injects are good but it doesn't really seem like their units get much benefit from the extra APM.
terran is the race that benefit the most from archon mode imo
at least that's my feeling after playing some with a friend
On November 18 2015 13:27 Makro wrote: voidrays and carriers, i'm liking protoss a bit more right now haha
I hate it more than you can believe. Its on similar levels to swarmhosts vs mass ravens for me. The only saving grace about the first game was that at least he ended the game before he built tempests.
On November 18 2015 13:06 alexanderzero wrote: Poor Flash getting allined twice against some random Zerg player. Normally it wouldn't matter except that Zerg is shamelessly overpowered...
its ok, you can watch Flash losing to Zerg when Zerg was undepowered at DH 2013 against DIMAGA.
On November 18 2015 13:44 Coypirus wrote: Dont worry guys, lilbow just wanted to lose so he could crush Flash and have a foreigner vs foreigner finals.
No. That is not true. He wanted to lose so that he has more time to practice for the next tournament.
On November 18 2015 13:44 Coypirus wrote: Dont worry guys, lilbow just wanted to lose so he could crush Flash and have a foreigner vs foreigner finals.
No. That is not true. He wanted to lose so that he has more time to practice for the next tournament.
But this was actually the tournament he practiced for
On November 18 2015 13:44 Coypirus wrote: Dont worry guys, lilbow just wanted to lose so he could crush Flash and have a foreigner vs foreigner finals.
No. That is not true. He wanted to lose so that he has more time to practice for the next tournament.
damn. also, it's amazing how slow(drawn out) this tourney is...
On November 18 2015 13:44 Coypirus wrote: Dont worry guys, lilbow just wanted to lose so he could crush Flash and have a foreigner vs foreigner finals.
No. That is not true. He wanted to lose so that he has more time to practice for the next tournament.
But this was actually the tournament he practiced for
On November 18 2015 14:09 digmouse wrote: We might have a LeeSangRok in loser's round 2.
did they rig the brackets?
or is there an error
I saw jd was in the upperbracket.
I wouldnt blame them for rigging it tho.
The LP bracket was wrong, standard double elimination bracket requires a position swap in loser's round 2 to avoid players dropping from winner's bracket meeting again early.
The Chinese are anyway geniuses ... They created a tournament with 8 only players, and they managed to get out of these 8 only players 25 MATCHES!!!! One could say, it does not make any sense to do 25 matches with 8 players, but they did it :-)
On November 18 2015 16:05 Diabolique wrote: The Chinese are anyway geniuses ... They created a tournament with 8 only players, and they managed to get out of these 8 only players 25 MATCHES!!!! One could say, it does not make any sense to do 25 matches with 8 players, but they did it :-)
On November 18 2015 16:05 Diabolique wrote: The Chinese are anyway geniuses ... They created a tournament with 8 only players, and they managed to get out of these 8 only players 25 MATCHES!!!! One could say, it does not make any sense to do 25 matches with 8 players, but they did it :-)
And it spans over an entire week!
Not the weirdest/worst Chinese tournament I've seen though.
Thanks so much once again, you guys are really making my days these days .
Awesome! If I didn't have my official tournament to cast several hours after day 5 I would cast it. But I'll be back for day 6.
Nice, really appreciated!
Btw, two things you were wondering about, in case you are still interested.
1. Liberators can indeed still be built from a Starport with reactor, not sure why they had a techlab on it. Maybe for the new medivac boost upgrade or the Liberator range upgrade for their anti ground mode.
2. Ravagers are in fact less tanky than roaches. It feels weird with how big they are, but they lose 25 health when morphing into a ravager and go down to 120 from 145.
Really enjoyed the cast, I think you two make a perfect combo and I love all the small BW references .
On November 18 2015 12:28 FlyingSteaks wrote: Archon games are really cool, what do you guys think if Proleague implemented 1 archon match? Like 4 normal games and 1 archon as the third game maybe
I would love it, 1 archon match would be perfect I think .
On November 18 2015 12:28 FlyingSteaks wrote: Archon games are really cool, what do you guys think if Proleague implemented 1 archon match? Like 4 normal games and 1 archon as the third game maybe
I would love it, 1 archon match would be perfect I think .
Thanks so much once again, you guys are really making my days these days .
Awesome! If I didn't have my official tournament to cast several hours after day 5 I would cast it. But I'll be back for day 6.
Nice, really appreciated!
Btw, two things you were wondering about, in case you are still interested.
1. Liberators can indeed still be built from a Starport with reactor, not sure why they had a techlab on it. Maybe for the new medivac boost upgrade or the Liberator range upgrade for their anti ground mode.
I think the techlab is part mindgame (the overlord sees it but doesn't know what's coming out), part emergency plan in case you get ravager rushed (then you can make a banshee over a liberator). And it always finds a use later.
You guys are doing a fine job casting and I appreciate the vods.
These archon matches are great. I really think they'll be a mainstay in big tournaments as they are viewer friendly and just damn fun! Where else have you seen Flash and Jaedong smiling like they just got asked to prom?
On November 19 2015 12:31 caznitch wrote: These archon matches are great. I really think they'll be a mainstay in big tournaments as they are viewer friendly and just damn fun! Where else have you seen Flash and Jaedong smiling like they just got asked to prom?
Probably when they saw that July vs Best OSL Finals.
More Oracles because why not. its not like you just lost 20 of them. The funny thing about this is that since this is archon mode, there are 2 people who BOTH thought that this was a good idea.
On November 19 2015 15:25 chambertin wrote: "Urehnal... I just said urinal. Ulrayna is the next map. Jaedong ready to go into Ulreena" all the variations.
welp, rip Flash...... first game was pretty good, second game not so much.....Idk if 3 cc builds are even viable, at least not how flash executed them. That ravager push seems really standard for zvt now.
Kinda sad that it's not Flash vs Lilbow since there's not a chance in hell that Lilbow can beat Flash. JD on the other hand... might let Lilbow win the tournament and then we have to watch Lilbow laugh his ass off at everyone after betraying the whole community.
Anyways.... I hope that Flash isn't going to take a billion years to start playing LotV correctly. He's so stubborn sometimes!
Jim gave us 0-8 ... It is said that he couldn't practise well due to his personal issue. Jim may return home - Only MacSed is in iG's Dota2 teamhouse for a long time now. By the way, Jim didn't play well in LotV and lost to many unknown players when he was live on DouyuTV.
Seems like 3CC is not that strong in LotV? JD did economic damage and was actually able to get an advantage out of it. In HotS killing 17 SCVs vs 3CC is most likely not enough.
As a zerg, you only need to build like 7 roaches and can morph them into ravagers, so this push is very larva efficient and allows the zerg to drone up early behind it. But it's obviously waaaaay better than a normal 7RR, seems good .
On November 19 2015 15:37 alexanderzero wrote: Kinda sad that it's not Flash vs Lilbow since there's not a chance in hell that Lilbow can beat Flash. JD on the other hand... might let Lilbow win the tournament and then we have to watch Lilbow laugh his ass off at everyone after betraying the whole community.
Anyways.... I hope that Flash isn't going to take a billion years to start playing LotV correctly. He's so stubborn sometimes!
Id be really happy if Lilbow won the whole tournament, since imo the drama was way exaggerated and he would also prove his point pretty much.
Seems like 3CC is not that strong in LotV? JD did economic damage and was actually able to get an advantage out of it. In HotS killing 17 SCVs vs 3CC is most likely not enough.
As a zerg, you only need to build like 7 roaches and can morph them into ravagers, so this push is very larva efficient and allows the zerg to drone up early behind it. But it's obviously waaaaay better than a normal 7RR, seems good .
With ravagers blind going for 3CC is suicide move especially on smaller rush distances. A 2 base Ravager+Roach push followed up with droning and a 3rd base is incredibly strong.
Also the time for tomorrow's matches are changed, starts at 8am UTC/9am CET/5pm KST now, so the time on calendar needs to be changed.
Seems like 3CC is not that strong in LotV? JD did economic damage and was actually able to get an advantage out of it. In HotS killing 17 SCVs vs 3CC is most likely not enough.
As a zerg, you only need to build like 7 roaches and can morph them into ravagers, so this push is very larva efficient and allows the zerg to drone up early behind it. But it's obviously waaaaay better than a normal 7RR, seems good .
With ravagers blind going for 3CC is suicide move especially on smaller rush distances. A 2 base Ravager+Roach push followed up with droning and a 3rd base is incredibly strong.
Also the time for tomorrow's matches are changed, starts at 8am UTC/9am CET/5pm KST now, so the time on calendar needs to be changed.
That means I can watch it live, if I skip a lecture that isn't important anyway Nice!
On November 19 2015 22:05 Makro wrote: how was flash jaedong ?
too bad i'm gonna miss lilbow jaedong, i'm hype for this
First game was Flash basically playing a HotS macro game. Didn't make liberators, lost a bunch of shit to a huge muta flock (even his 4th base at the end). Went for a huge 3/3 timing push but his splits were pretty poor and he didn't have a response to the 8 armor ultras that popped just during his attack. So he lost all his anti air and the mutas killed the rest.
2nd game was JD going for a roach/ravager rush and then Flash was pretty much ded because he went quick 3 CC with no scout. You know, units beat no units, that old thing.
On November 19 2015 22:05 Makro wrote: how was flash jaedong ?
too bad i'm gonna miss lilbow jaedong, i'm hype for this
First game was Flash basically playing a HotS macro game. Didn't make liberators, lost a bunch of shit to a huge muta flock (even his 4th base at the end). Went for a huge 3/3 timing push but his splits were pretty poor and he didn't have a response to the 8 armor ultras that popped just during his attack. So he lost all his anti air and the mutas killed the rest.
2nd game was JD going for a roach/ravager rush and then Flash was pretty much ded because he went quick 3 CC with no scout. You know, units beat no units, that old thing.
Some things will never change... Edit: Thank you for the write-up!
On November 19 2015 22:05 Makro wrote: how was flash jaedong ?
too bad i'm gonna miss lilbow jaedong, i'm hype for this
First game was Flash basically playing a HotS macro game. Didn't make liberators, lost a bunch of shit to a huge muta flock (even his 4th base at the end). Went for a huge 3/3 timing push but his splits were pretty poor and he didn't have a response to the 8 armor ultras that popped just during his attack. So he lost all his anti air and the mutas killed the rest.
2nd game was JD going for a roach/ravager rush and then Flash was pretty much ded because he went quick 3 CC with no scout. You know, units beat no units, that old thing.
On November 20 2015 00:43 Flonomenalz wrote: Crazy that a Flash v. Jaedong match only gets like 3 pages of commentary... disappointing match.
JD destroy Lilbow please!
Just not watchable for europeans. In general people aren't really interested in that tournament because it lacks great players and coverage. I still hope JD wins it, first LOTV offline champ!
On November 19 2015 14:53 Boucot wrote: That was quite a concave.
Damn the Bo3 are gonna be really short in LotV. I wonder if the BoX series will be increased to match the new length of the games.
I had the same thought. It's quite risky though, it's still not that hard to play 20-30 minute games, if you end up playing 15 of them in a group (3-2 2-3 3-2) that would suck
On November 19 2015 17:21 Arvendilin wrote: No BisuDagger and FlashFTW stream today?
Awwe, too bad
I return tonight! Gonna be a fun night of SCToo!
Make sure you don't overlook this:
On November 19 2015 20:49 digmouse wrote: Also the time for tomorrow's matches are changed, starts at 8am UTC/9am CET/5pm KST now, so the time on calendar needs to be changed.
On November 19 2015 20:49 digmouse wrote: Also the time for tomorrow's matches are changed, starts at 8am UTC/9am CET/5pm KST now, so the time on calendar needs to be changed.
Yup, thank you. Woah didn't know it was changed again. I just knew about the initial hour change. I won't be available sadly. I hope I can find more tournaments to cast. I might need to make some SC2 contacts.
On November 20 2015 17:38 digmouse wrote: RIP Protoss air.
All air. Sky Terran also ded vs Zerg.
oh no, I'll miss the thrilling encounters of raven/BC vs corruptor/spore
Yes, yes, I know, it wasn't thrilling. But you can't even mass vikings to kill BL now. Thankfully nobody ever does that because 8 armor ultras are so appealing.
On November 20 2015 18:03 Phredxor wrote: Just tuned in. Exciting game :/
I'm just facepalming here. IA and Shana are just losing corrupters/lings left and right, doing nearly nothing... IMO they should've just tried to attack and remax instantly a few times. Isn't Parasitic Bomb as good as they say?
On November 20 2015 18:03 Phredxor wrote: Just tuned in. Exciting game :/
I'm just facepalming here. IA and Shana are just losing corrupters/lings left and right, doing nearly nothing... IMO they should've just tried to attack and remax instantly a few times. Isn't Parasitic Bomb as good as they say?
it doesn't even matter at this point, they could just suicide the corruptors after baiting out storms and then instntly remax on a million ultras
And they finally decided to attack, but at a point where they had almost no advantage anymore. Hell, they were already disadvantaged probably considering Lilbow and Snute already have a bank again. Some minutes ago it was 500 minerals (not maxed supply) against 15k minerals. What did they do? Right.
edit: They might still win however it looks close.
On November 20 2015 19:04 Phredxor wrote: Nope, digimouse said in twitch chat the female caster is a world champion though. Won the female version of that Iesf Zest won last year.
digmouse: lol the red protoss is a automatic tournament winner
On November 20 2015 19:10 Phredxor wrote: Lol the Protoss forgot to make extra interceptors..
It's automated in campaign #CampaignLeagueHeroes
You can make it automated in multi player
Yeah but they start with auto production turned on in campaign stuff. Same with SCVs being set to auto repair by default in campaign but not in multiplayer.
On November 20 2015 19:10 Phredxor wrote: Lol the Protoss forgot to make extra interceptors..
It's automated in campaign #CampaignLeagueHeroes
You can make it automated in multi player
Yeah but they start with auto production turned on in campaign stuff. Same with SCVs being set to auto repair by default in campaign but not in multiplayer.
One would say that after few games you notice but obviously you cannot even notice you do not have ANY interceptors at all... dafuq?
On November 20 2015 19:10 Phredxor wrote: Lol the Protoss forgot to make extra interceptors..
It's automated in campaign #CampaignLeagueHeroes
You can make it automated in multi player
Yeah but they start with auto production turned on in campaign stuff. Same with SCVs being set to auto repair by default in campaign but not in multiplayer.
One would say that after few games you notice but obviously you cannot even notice you do not have ANY interceptors at all... dafuq?
That whole fleet launching like 6 interceptors total haha
On November 20 2015 19:14 Ej_ wrote: no match for the world champion
The champ is casting. I think it'd be over in 2 mins if she was playing
all women look the same to me
That could cause you some problems.
don't worry, I'm no Oedipus
One day, married Ej_ going down the street: "Are you my wife?" "No." "Are you my wife?" "No." "Are you my wife?" "No, get away from me." "Are you my wife?" "Yes, get away from me."
What kind of showmatch is this? It's hard to believe that the organisator wasn't able to get better players for a tournament like this. Anyone knows chinese and can clear things up?
On November 20 2015 19:14 Ej_ wrote: no match for the world champion
The champ is casting. I think it'd be over in 2 mins if she was playing
all women look the same to me
That could cause you some problems.
don't worry, I'm no Oedipus
One day, married Ej_ going down the street: "Are you my wife?" "No." "Are you my wife?" "No." "Are you my wife?" "No, get away from me." "Are you my wife?" "Yes, get away from me."
I'm at work so can't be in touch all the time and I can't see an explantion here. Liquipedia says that JD vs LB is LIVE but on channel I can see only F91 vs XiaoSe 8what is that?).
On November 20 2015 21:20 Zergiica wrote: I'm at work so can't be in touch all the time and I can't see an explantion here. Liquipedia says that JD vs LB is LIVE but on channel I can see only F91 vs XiaoSe 8what is that?).
On November 20 2015 21:55 thickertom wrote: Lilbow vs Jaedong should be Bo3 ?
maybe because loser bracket?
Winners' Finals and Losers' Finals are BO5. Grand Finals are BO7. I feel iAsonu will be so tired (not only in the body) tomorrow. I don't know best of how much in the Grand Finals of Archon Mode.
On November 20 2015 21:55 thickertom wrote: Lilbow vs Jaedong should be Bo3 ?
maybe because loser bracket?
Winners' Finals and Losers' Finals are BO5. Grand Finals are BO7. I feel iAsonu will be so tired (not only in the body) tomorrow. I don't know best of how much in the Grand Finals of Archon Mode.
I'm expecting BO5 because everything else was BO3.
I wonder how many ppl would cheer for lilbow if he wasn't french/foreigner. Imagine a korean with the same playstyle. Amazing right... I don't even dislike/hate the guy. Oh well
On November 20 2015 22:13 Musicus wrote: Just came back home, did Lilbow play Disruptor drops into a big 3 base push? Because that's the Korean meta at least and it seems really strong.
Jaedong suicided first with ling/ravager push and then got ravagers blown up by a disruptor drop, died to a blink followup
On November 20 2015 22:13 Nayolbi wrote: I wonder how many ppl would cheer for lilbow if he wasn't french/foreigner. Imagine a korean with the same playstyle. Amazing right... I don't even dislike/hate the guy. Oh well
Thanks to his idiotic PR after his loss at Blizzcon I guess there are not that many fans of Lilbow
On November 20 2015 22:13 Musicus wrote: Just came back home, did Lilbow play Disruptor drops into a big 3 base push? Because that's the Korean meta at least and it seems really strong.
Jaedong suicided first with ling/ravager push and then got ravagers blown up by a disruptor drop, died to a blink followup
Okay, well what he is doing right now looks like it. It's super strong and what all the whining toss want to start copying imo .
He just did a blink stalker followup which is very lilbow-like I guess. Trust/Hurricane often do a phoenix follow up to counter the spire, which you need against that warpprism. After the phoenix shut down the mutas, a 3 base push finishes the game.
Fast blink stalkers like Lilbow work too I guess, but you have get aggressive right away then.
On November 20 2015 22:13 Nayolbi wrote: I wonder how many ppl would cheer for lilbow if he wasn't french/foreigner. Imagine a korean with the same playstyle. Amazing right... I don't even dislike/hate the guy. Oh well
Thanks to his idiotic PR after his loss at Blizzcon I guess there are not that many fans of Lilbow
He´s good at abusing protoss. Half the reason to he´s success is protoss.
On November 20 2015 22:13 Nayolbi wrote: I wonder how many ppl would cheer for lilbow if he wasn't french/foreigner. Imagine a korean with the same playstyle. Amazing right... I don't even dislike/hate the guy. Oh well
Thanks to his idiotic PR after his loss at Blizzcon I guess there are not that many fans of Lilbow
He´s good at abusing protoss. Half the reason to he´s success is protoss.
And? So what? I don't see the connection with anything I said.
On November 20 2015 22:13 Nayolbi wrote: I wonder how many ppl would cheer for lilbow if he wasn't french/foreigner. Imagine a korean with the same playstyle. Amazing right... I don't even dislike/hate the guy. Oh well
Thanks to his idiotic PR after his loss at Blizzcon I guess there are not that many fans of Lilbow
He´s good at abusing protoss. Half the reason to he´s success is protoss.
He is playing with the strength of his race that's all, which is what you have to do if you want to win, I see no difference with the likes of MC, SOS and so on.
On November 20 2015 22:13 Nayolbi wrote: I wonder how many ppl would cheer for lilbow if he wasn't french/foreigner. Imagine a korean with the same playstyle. Amazing right... I don't even dislike/hate the guy. Oh well
Thanks to his idiotic PR after his loss at Blizzcon I guess there are not that many fans of Lilbow
He´s good at abusing protoss. Half the reason to he´s success is protoss.
He is playing with the strength of his race that's all, which is what you have to do if you want to win, I see no difference with the likes of MC, SOS and so on.
sOs is basically a better Arthur so yeah
lmao nexus first twice into lowground gate, never change Lilbow
On November 20 2015 22:13 Nayolbi wrote: I wonder how many ppl would cheer for lilbow if he wasn't french/foreigner. Imagine a korean with the same playstyle. Amazing right... I don't even dislike/hate the guy. Oh well
Thanks to his idiotic PR after his loss at Blizzcon I guess there are not that many fans of Lilbow
He´s good at abusing protoss. Half the reason to he´s success is protoss.
He is playing with the strength of his race that's all, which is what you have to do if you want to win, I see no difference with the likes of MC, SOS and so on.
It's what makes a good player. Stephano was good at abusing the strengths of Zerg, Lilbow does the same for Protoss. What's the difference? I guess the Protoss strengths are less cool to watch?
On November 20 2015 22:13 Nayolbi wrote: I wonder how many ppl would cheer for lilbow if he wasn't french/foreigner. Imagine a korean with the same playstyle. Amazing right... I don't even dislike/hate the guy. Oh well
Thanks to his idiotic PR after his loss at Blizzcon I guess there are not that many fans of Lilbow
He´s good at abusing protoss. Half the reason to he´s success is protoss.
He is playing with the strength of his race that's all, which is what you have to do if you want to win, I see no difference with the likes of MC, SOS and so on.
It's what makes a good player. Stephano was good at abusing the strengths of Zerg, Lilbow does the same for Protoss. What's the difference? I guess the Protoss strengths are less cool to watch?
are you saying that watching Stephano abuse BL/inf was entertaining for the fans?
On November 20 2015 22:13 Nayolbi wrote: I wonder how many ppl would cheer for lilbow if he wasn't french/foreigner. Imagine a korean with the same playstyle. Amazing right... I don't even dislike/hate the guy. Oh well
Thanks to his idiotic PR after his loss at Blizzcon I guess there are not that many fans of Lilbow
He´s good at abusing protoss. Half the reason to he´s success is protoss.
He is playing with the strength of his race that's all, which is what you have to do if you want to win, I see no difference with the likes of MC, SOS and so on.
Ehm, MC and sOs both use more builds than "build shit ton of stalkers" and are able to play proper late game Comparing sOs with Lilbow is a huge offense to sOs. Lilbow isn't bad player but he's not innovative as yours examples.
On November 20 2015 22:13 Nayolbi wrote: I wonder how many ppl would cheer for lilbow if he wasn't french/foreigner. Imagine a korean with the same playstyle. Amazing right... I don't even dislike/hate the guy. Oh well
Thanks to his idiotic PR after his loss at Blizzcon I guess there are not that many fans of Lilbow
He´s good at abusing protoss. Half the reason to he´s success is protoss.
He is playing with the strength of his race that's all, which is what you have to do if you want to win, I see no difference with the likes of MC, SOS and so on.
It's what makes a good player. Stephano was good at abusing the strengths of Zerg, Lilbow does the same for Protoss. What's the difference? I guess the Protoss strengths are less cool to watch?
are you saying that watching Stephano abuse BL/inf was entertaining for the fans?
Lol, he did so much more than that. Roach max? Mass ling style into Ultra? Just in general showing zerg how to be as greedy as possible while still being safe. He tought the world how to expand as zerg. But this is so offtopic
On November 20 2015 22:18 OtherWorld wrote: Snute vs Lilbow hmmmm now that's some really tasty finals
In what universe do you live where that sounds interesting?
The two best foreigners in a final is interesting imo.
The two best foreigners in HotS in a LotV final. Doesn't really do it for me, no.
I mean would any other final of these 8 players excite you more?
Yes, actually. What a silly question.
iAsonu is gonna have to play a marathon tomorrow. First against Lilbow, then Archon mode against Flash and Jaedong, and if he beats Lilbow he gets a BO7 against Snute. If he made it that would be quite the story.
On November 20 2015 22:29 Nerchio wrote: This must be the worst tournament in SC2 history, a bunch of people that look like they didn't even touch Lotv.
how do you deal with the 2 base disruptor drop into 3 base blink all-in?
On November 20 2015 22:29 Nerchio wrote: This must be the worst tournament in SC2 history, a bunch of people that look like they didn't even touch Lotv.
JD had so much HotS tournament to attend to!!! He had no time to prepare for LotV!!! He is preparing for his retirement, probably.
On November 20 2015 22:29 Nerchio wrote: This must be the worst tournament in SC2 history, a bunch of people that look like they didn't even touch Lotv.
Wasn't this the case for every early tournament after a release? Think back
On November 20 2015 22:29 Nerchio wrote: This must be the worst tournament in SC2 history, a bunch of people that look like they didn't even touch Lotv.
JD had so much HotS tournament to attend to!!! He had no time to prepare for LotV!!! He is preparing for his retirement, probably.
Too busy practicing Starcraft 3 Archon mode to become the first Archonjwa.
On November 20 2015 22:18 OtherWorld wrote: Snute vs Lilbow hmmmm now that's some really tasty finals
In what universe do you live where that sounds interesting?
The two best foreigners in a final is interesting imo.
The two best foreigners in HotS in a LotV final. Doesn't really do it for me, no.
I mean would any other final of these 8 players excite you more?
Yes, actually. What a silly question.
iAsonu is gonna have to play a marathon tomorrow. First against Lilbow, then Archon mode against Flash and Jaedong, and if he beats Lilbow he gets a BO7 against Snute. If he made it that would be quite the story.
So Snute vs iA? Yeah sounds good to me, but I just don't like mirror as much so I'd rather watch PvZ. Would still be great though.
On November 20 2015 22:29 Nerchio wrote: This must be the worst tournament in SC2 history, a bunch of people that look like they didn't even touch Lotv.
how do you deal with the 2 base disruptor drop into 3 base blink all-in?
Not sure :D Zerg doesn't have many answers to disruptors before late game sadly
On November 20 2015 22:33 purakushi wrote: I may sound like a jerk, but I was kind of hoping Lilbow would not do well in this, considering his outward attitude toward Blizzcon.
I hoped too but it looks that KeSPA monster Flash is not the monster he's supposed to be and JD is just bad this whole year so I am not sure what I was hoping for(I don't know Chinese players).
On November 20 2015 22:18 OtherWorld wrote: Snute vs Lilbow hmmmm now that's some really tasty finals
In what universe do you live where that sounds interesting?
The two best foreigners in a final is interesting imo.
The two best foreigners in HotS in a LotV final. Doesn't really do it for me, no.
I mean would any other final of these 8 players excite you more?
Yes, actually. What a silly question.
iAsonu is gonna have to play a marathon tomorrow. First against Lilbow, then Archon mode against Flash and Jaedong, and if he beats Lilbow he gets a BO7 against Snute. If he made it that would be quite the story.
So Snute vs iA? Yeah sounds good to me, but I just don't like mirror as much so I'd rather watch PvZ. Would still be great though.
I'd also have preferred Snute vs JD (because of their history in SC2), Snute vs Flash and Flash vs JD, if I had a choice from all players.
On November 20 2015 22:33 purakushi wrote: I may sound like a jerk, but I was kind of hoping Lilbow would not do well in this, considering his outward attitude toward Blizzcon.
Don't worry you can still make jokes about preparing for other stuff even though he won
On November 20 2015 22:29 Nerchio wrote: This must be the worst tournament in SC2 history, a bunch of people that look like they didn't even touch Lotv.
how do you deal with the 2 base disruptor drop into 3 base blink all-in?
Not sure :D Zerg doesn't have many answers to disruptors before late game sadly
On November 20 2015 22:18 OtherWorld wrote: Snute vs Lilbow hmmmm now that's some really tasty finals
In what universe do you live where that sounds interesting?
The two best foreigners in a final is interesting imo.
The two best foreigners in HotS in a LotV final. Doesn't really do it for me, no.
I mean would any other final of these 8 players excite you more?
Yes, actually. What a silly question.
iAsonu is gonna have to play a marathon tomorrow. First against Lilbow, then Archon mode against Flash and Jaedong, and if he beats Lilbow he gets a BO7 against Snute. If he made it that would be quite the story.
So Snute vs iA? Yeah sounds good to me, but I just don't like mirror as much so I'd rather watch PvZ. Would still be great though.
I'd also have preferred Snute vs JD (because of their history in SC2), Snute vs Flash and Flash vs JD, if I had a choice from all players.
So just not Lilbow? I'm happy to watch him if he proves to be better than FlaSh/JD/iA.
On November 20 2015 22:18 OtherWorld wrote: Snute vs Lilbow hmmmm now that's some really tasty finals
In what universe do you live where that sounds interesting?
The two best foreigners in a final is interesting imo.
The two best foreigners in HotS in a LotV final. Doesn't really do it for me, no.
I mean would any other final of these 8 players excite you more?
Yes, actually. What a silly question.
iAsonu is gonna have to play a marathon tomorrow. First against Lilbow, then Archon mode against Flash and Jaedong, and if he beats Lilbow he gets a BO7 against Snute. If he made it that would be quite the story.
So Snute vs iA? Yeah sounds good to me, but I just don't like mirror as much so I'd rather watch PvZ. Would still be great though.
I'd also have preferred Snute vs JD (because of their history in SC2), Snute vs Flash and Flash vs JD, if I had a choice from all players.
So just not Lilbow? I'm happy to watch him if he proves to be better than FlaSh/JD/iA.
Protoss doesn't excite me in general, and Lilbow happens to be part of the more boring kind.
On November 20 2015 22:29 Nerchio wrote: This must be the worst tournament in SC2 history, a bunch of people that look like they didn't even touch Lotv.
how do you deal with the 2 base disruptor drop into 3 base blink all-in?
Not sure :D Zerg doesn't have many answers to disruptors before late game sadly
well neither did JD apparently
Yeah, but his speedling bust wasn't that good either and you cannot blame distruptors since they weren't out
Nov.21, 2015 UTC if not delayed due to some showmatches: 8:00 Match 1: iAsonu vs Lilbow (Bo5) 9:30 Match 2: iAsonu and Shana vs Jaedong and Flash (BO3?BO5?) 11:00 Match 3: Snute vs winner of Match 1 (BO7)
On November 21 2015 00:24 Makro wrote: nice lilbow, missed the game
how was it ?
Not very good, but pretty convincing. Lilbow went for disruptor drop into stalker all-in twice and held a speedling all-in the 3rd game. Jaedong's play was overall very poor.
On November 21 2015 00:24 Makro wrote: nice lilbow, missed the game
how was it ?
Not very good, but pretty convincing. Lilbow went for disruptor drop into stalker all-in twice and held a speedling all-in the 3rd game. Jaedong's play was overall very poor.
On November 21 2015 19:09 Elentos wrote: I swear to god, I opened GuineaPig's stream for a second, and what I saw was 2 barracks, 2 factories, 2 starports and a fusion core on two base.
E: Is this my imagination, or are there barely any Terrans worth talking about in the Chinese scene? Kinda like SEA?
Ein is constrained by family issues, Shana still needs time, XY is old.
On November 21 2015 19:28 Propelled wrote: Who is playing right now? I thought it was supposed to be Snute v iAsonu, but I saw a man and a woman in the booths after game one.
They're doing a showmatch. Maybe more? Because otherwise iAsonu would have had to play 3 series in a row (vs Lilbow, Archon vs Flash/JD, vs Snute).
Props to Snute. Always felt like he'd be a strong player when it came to picking up a "new" game quickly and being pretty boss in it.
And all I want to say, Flash now has a winner's trophy, in the first official LOTV tournament no less! Not even dropping a single map in Archon mode. The Ultimate Weapon is BACK! let the hype train begin, all aboard!
On November 22 2015 00:17 showstealer1829 wrote: Throwing Blizzcon worked out REAL well for Lilbow I see, All that "extra practice", still can't beat iAsonu
iAsonu actually looked really good, to give iA some cred.
On November 22 2015 00:17 showstealer1829 wrote: Throwing Blizzcon worked out REAL well for Lilbow I see, All that "extra practice", still can't beat iAsonu
I'm sure the 5500$ he made will help him get over the disappointment you have regarding his performance.
On November 22 2015 00:17 showstealer1829 wrote: Throwing Blizzcon worked out REAL well for Lilbow I see, All that "extra practice", still can't beat iAsonu
iAsonu actually looked really good, to give iA some cred.
yeah this, I'd even dare to say that his bracket was harder than Snute's, who aside of the 2:1 vs Mistery had to play only 1 matchup.
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