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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8313 Posts
September 25 2015 21:50 GMT
#2081
On September 26 2015 06:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:07 Yorkie wrote:
Solar winning this tournament actually puts him just outside of Blizzcon. he's gonna be up at night thinking about if he did just a little better earlier in the year


And yet Lilbow is in. The system is a joke


I dunno man, back to back finals is a pretty rare feat.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 25 2015 21:56 GMT
#2082
I want to make a hype video for Blizzcon but this tie scenario is annoying lol should I do it with 17 players in it? Obviously I can't wait til the tiebreaker is played I wouldn't have enough time to make it good
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 25 2015 21:57 GMT
#2083
On September 26 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
I want to make a hype video for Blizzcon but this tie scenario is annoying lol should I do it with 17 players in it? Obviously I can't wait til the tiebreaker is played I wouldn't have enough time to make it good

Nah just make two versions
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 25 2015 21:57 GMT
#2084
On September 26 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
I want to make a hype video for Blizzcon but this tie scenario is annoying lol should I do it with 17 players in it? Obviously I can't wait til the tiebreaker is played I wouldn't have enough time to make it good

Hyun is going to beat Fantasy so just leave Fantasy out
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 25 2015 21:57 GMT
#2085
On September 26 2015 06:57 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
I want to make a hype video for Blizzcon but this tie scenario is annoying lol should I do it with 17 players in it? Obviously I can't wait til the tiebreaker is played I wouldn't have enough time to make it good

Nah just make two versions

fuk u. I'll just give Fantasy and Hyun half as much screen time as the other players since they're only half qualified and don't have much of a shot anyway
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
September 25 2015 21:58 GMT
#2086
On September 26 2015 06:57 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
I want to make a hype video for Blizzcon but this tie scenario is annoying lol should I do it with 17 players in it? Obviously I can't wait til the tiebreaker is played I wouldn't have enough time to make it good

Hyun is going to beat Fantasy so just leave Fantasy out

both players are going to get trashed by herO so just leave them out
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 25 2015 21:59 GMT
#2087
On September 26 2015 06:57 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
I want to make a hype video for Blizzcon but this tie scenario is annoying lol should I do it with 17 players in it? Obviously I can't wait til the tiebreaker is played I wouldn't have enough time to make it good

Hyun is going to beat Fantasy so just leave Fantasy out

I'll just include clips of them losing to other blizzcon players. kills two birds with one stone
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
September 25 2015 21:59 GMT
#2088
On September 26 2015 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:57 Shellshock wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
I want to make a hype video for Blizzcon but this tie scenario is annoying lol should I do it with 17 players in it? Obviously I can't wait til the tiebreaker is played I wouldn't have enough time to make it good

Hyun is going to beat Fantasy so just leave Fantasy out

I'll just include clips of them losing to other blizzcon players. kills two birds with one stone

ha ha ha
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 25 2015 22:00 GMT
#2089
On September 26 2015 06:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:59 Yorkie wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:57 Shellshock wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:56 Yorkie wrote:
I want to make a hype video for Blizzcon but this tie scenario is annoying lol should I do it with 17 players in it? Obviously I can't wait til the tiebreaker is played I wouldn't have enough time to make it good

Hyun is going to beat Fantasy so just leave Fantasy out

I'll just include clips of them losing to other blizzcon players. kills two birds with one stone

ha ha ha

I was gonna put in herO's blink micro basetrade win vs Hyun anyway
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
September 25 2015 22:20 GMT
#2090
Solar!!! Really happy for him! Also impressed that HyuN made it that far and has a shot at Blizzcon!
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8252 Posts
September 25 2015 23:04 GMT
#2091
On September 26 2015 06:17 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:07 Yorkie wrote:
Solar winning this tournament actually puts him just outside of Blizzcon. he's gonna be up at night thinking about if he did just a little better earlier in the year


And yet Lilbow is in. The system is a joke

Yeah, such a shame that a double WCS finalist (and winner) is qualified for the WCS finals.

WCS is weak compared to SSL and GSL. WCS points rewards players that fly and play around the world. It doesn't reward skill.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19368 Posts
September 25 2015 23:10 GMT
#2092
On September 26 2015 04:24 Ej_ wrote:
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On September 26 2015 04:23 Heartland wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:22 Ej_ wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:21 Heartland wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:20 Ej_ wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:20 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:17 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 26 2015 04:16 Psychonian wrote:
dark.

fucking.

shrine.

i have no words.


I really don't get the stargate into DT thing. You force the zerg into make spores because of the stargate and then you're already detected


BISUUUU

oracles don't kill overseers


I think it was to use them defensively actually. As in that Coda game.

yeah you kill the slow overlord with sairs and then can handle a hydra bust, but the key is to snipe that detection. And you force spores on top of that as well.


I wasn't discussing BW DTs ; ) I meant why sOs made DTs in this game even after he had forced Spores.

I thought we were discussing a hypothetical SG/DT macro build.
I know BisuDagger does the neo bisu in SC2 because he's hardcore

It's my PvZ opening every time.
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
September 25 2015 23:15 GMT
#2093
On September 26 2015 08:04 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:17 Boucot wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:07 Yorkie wrote:
Solar winning this tournament actually puts him just outside of Blizzcon. he's gonna be up at night thinking about if he did just a little better earlier in the year


And yet Lilbow is in. The system is a joke

Yeah, such a shame that a double WCS finalist (and winner) is qualified for the WCS finals.

WCS is weak compared to SSL and GSL. WCS points rewards players that fly and play around the world. It doesn't reward skill.


the two players getting there without much points from official WCS events are playing in korea mind you
Zest fanboy.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
September 25 2015 23:20 GMT
#2094
On September 26 2015 08:04 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:17 Boucot wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:07 Yorkie wrote:
Solar winning this tournament actually puts him just outside of Blizzcon. he's gonna be up at night thinking about if he did just a little better earlier in the year


And yet Lilbow is in. The system is a joke

Yeah, such a shame that a double WCS finalist (and winner) is qualified for the WCS finals.

WCS is weak compared to SSL and GSL. WCS points rewards players that fly and play around the world. It doesn't reward skill.

Lilbow shouldn't be taken into account. He did well in the WCS tournaments, he deserves his spot, period. However I agree that tournaments like Copenhagen Games or MSI should give less points. There should be a bigger gap between this kind of tournaments and DH/IEM.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
September 26 2015 00:19 GMT
#2095
On September 26 2015 08:20 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 08:04 geokilla wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:17 Boucot wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:07 Yorkie wrote:
Solar winning this tournament actually puts him just outside of Blizzcon. he's gonna be up at night thinking about if he did just a little better earlier in the year


And yet Lilbow is in. The system is a joke

Yeah, such a shame that a double WCS finalist (and winner) is qualified for the WCS finals.

WCS is weak compared to SSL and GSL. WCS points rewards players that fly and play around the world. It doesn't reward skill.

Lilbow shouldn't be taken into account. He did well in the WCS tournaments, he deserves his spot, period. However I agree that tournaments like Copenhagen Games or MSI should give less points. There should be a bigger gap between this kind of tournaments and DH/IEM.


My personal take is to make WCS/GSL/SSL more points, which essentially does the same thing. The fact that this 500 point gain is the most Hyun has gotten from any result all year is how broken the system is. You have players like Dear/Dark who qualified for all 6 starleagues of the year or players like Bunny who do amazingly well in 2 of the 3 seasons. Hell Mana is the only finalist of the 9 WCS tournaments (6 starleagues and 3 WCS) that isn't at Blizzcon. Yet Fantasy and Hyun are playing for a spot instead of any of them.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 26 2015 00:55 GMT
#2096
On September 26 2015 09:19 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 08:20 Boucot wrote:
On September 26 2015 08:04 geokilla wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:17 Boucot wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:07 Yorkie wrote:
Solar winning this tournament actually puts him just outside of Blizzcon. he's gonna be up at night thinking about if he did just a little better earlier in the year


And yet Lilbow is in. The system is a joke

Yeah, such a shame that a double WCS finalist (and winner) is qualified for the WCS finals.

WCS is weak compared to SSL and GSL. WCS points rewards players that fly and play around the world. It doesn't reward skill.

Lilbow shouldn't be taken into account. He did well in the WCS tournaments, he deserves his spot, period. However I agree that tournaments like Copenhagen Games or MSI should give less points. There should be a bigger gap between this kind of tournaments and DH/IEM.


My personal take is to make WCS/GSL/SSL more points, which essentially does the same thing. The fact that this 500 point gain is the most Hyun has gotten from any result all year is how broken the system is. You have players like Dear/Dark who qualified for all 6 starleagues of the year or players like Bunny who do amazingly well in 2 of the 3 seasons. Hell Mana is the only finalist of the 9 WCS tournaments (6 starleagues and 3 WCS) that isn't at Blizzcon. Yet Fantasy and Hyun are playing for a spot instead of any of them.

I wanted Dark to take the last spot over anyone else because he stayed in Korea and did excellent in Kespa cups, but you're being really unfair to Hyun. Hyun actually knocked Dark out of SSL in the RO8 of S2, and this tournament he performed really well even taking out Rain, whereas Dark choked vs Leenock. Dear also hasn't done super amazing this year but narrowly lost his spot to a 3-4.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
September 26 2015 01:20 GMT
#2097
On September 26 2015 08:15 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 08:04 geokilla wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:17 Boucot wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:07 Yorkie wrote:
Solar winning this tournament actually puts him just outside of Blizzcon. he's gonna be up at night thinking about if he did just a little better earlier in the year


And yet Lilbow is in. The system is a joke

Yeah, such a shame that a double WCS finalist (and winner) is qualified for the WCS finals.

WCS is weak compared to SSL and GSL. WCS points rewards players that fly and play around the world. It doesn't reward skill.


the two players getting there without much points from official WCS events are playing in korea mind you

he does have a point though, remember last year? Bomber and HyuN in first and second place...let that sink in for a brief moment
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-26 01:35:54
September 26 2015 01:35 GMT
#2098
On September 26 2015 06:28 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:22 UberNuB wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:16 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:13 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:12 Beakyboo wrote:
It would've been cool if they just did Fantasy Hyun here now. Flying these guys out again later just for a tiebreaker kinda sucks.

I suspect they might do it in korea since they both live there anyways

I doubt it, I think it'd be kind of cheap. Also not on-location, and they were big on that in 2013


It's kind of terrible to "reward" the top ranked player of the entire season by being the only player without a known match-up. I'd be a little upset if I were herO.


I agree with this but at the same time herO is a league better than both of them and everyone involved is practicing for two matches. Its not like one of the potential 16th place players gets the same match up again versus herO.

Rain is much better than Hyun, skill-wise & result-wise, still lost to him...
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
September 26 2015 01:39 GMT
#2099
On September 26 2015 09:55 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 09:19 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On September 26 2015 08:20 Boucot wrote:
On September 26 2015 08:04 geokilla wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:17 Boucot wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:07 Yorkie wrote:
Solar winning this tournament actually puts him just outside of Blizzcon. he's gonna be up at night thinking about if he did just a little better earlier in the year


And yet Lilbow is in. The system is a joke

Yeah, such a shame that a double WCS finalist (and winner) is qualified for the WCS finals.

WCS is weak compared to SSL and GSL. WCS points rewards players that fly and play around the world. It doesn't reward skill.

Lilbow shouldn't be taken into account. He did well in the WCS tournaments, he deserves his spot, period. However I agree that tournaments like Copenhagen Games or MSI should give less points. There should be a bigger gap between this kind of tournaments and DH/IEM.


My personal take is to make WCS/GSL/SSL more points, which essentially does the same thing. The fact that this 500 point gain is the most Hyun has gotten from any result all year is how broken the system is. You have players like Dear/Dark who qualified for all 6 starleagues of the year or players like Bunny who do amazingly well in 2 of the 3 seasons. Hell Mana is the only finalist of the 9 WCS tournaments (6 starleagues and 3 WCS) that isn't at Blizzcon. Yet Fantasy and Hyun are playing for a spot instead of any of them.

I wanted Dark to take the last spot over anyone else because he stayed in Korea and did excellent in Kespa cups, but you're being really unfair to Hyun. Hyun actually knocked Dark out of SSL in the RO8 of S2, and this tournament he performed really well even taking out Rain, whereas Dark choked vs Leenock. Dear also hasn't done super amazing this year but narrowly lost his spot to a 3-4.

Hyun beat Dark in Challenger
_TMT_
Profile Joined September 2014
Vietnam114 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-26 02:06:27
September 26 2015 02:04 GMT
#2100
On September 26 2015 08:04 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2015 06:17 Boucot wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:16 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 26 2015 06:07 Yorkie wrote:
Solar winning this tournament actually puts him just outside of Blizzcon. he's gonna be up at night thinking about if he did just a little better earlier in the year


And yet Lilbow is in. The system is a joke

Yeah, such a shame that a double WCS finalist (and winner) is qualified for the WCS finals.

WCS is weak compared to SSL and GSL. WCS points rewards players that fly and play around the world. It doesn't reward skill.


This is pure short-sightedness. The system currently is healthy for the scene. Good players are encouraged to travel, so that tournaments like IEM, DH are stacked as hell. Otherwise expected money sometimes does not worth the travel cost.

Besides, we still have like 10 absolute best players (except Polt, Hydra, Lilbow, Hyun/Fanta) at Blizzcon, so the chance of having the real champion is still high. Like the WC, it reserves lower spots for weak regions, and that's perfectly fine.
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