• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:10
CET 08:10
KST 16:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice3Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza1Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0258
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly) WardiTV Team League Season 10
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare
Brood War
General
It's March 3rd BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ CasterMuse Youtube Recent recommended BW games
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues BWCL Season 64 Announcement The Casual Games of the Week Thread [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Diablo 2 thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Just Watchers: Why Some Only…
TrAiDoS
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1585 users

[Code S] Ro8 Day 1 - Season 3 2015 - Page 12

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 21 Next All
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
September 16 2015 11:27 GMT
#221
On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better.

even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul
what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at?
"Expert" mods4ever.com
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 16 2015 11:27 GMT
#222
Game 2 go Byul!
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 16 2015 11:28 GMT
#223
On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better.


Dream got him in close-spawns on Cactus in an SPL game
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
September 16 2015 11:28 GMT
#224
On September 16 2015 20:27 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:23 Rollora wrote:
On September 16 2015 20:18 Ketch wrote:
On September 16 2015 20:16 Rollora wrote:
It's not blind Wolf, he has seen the WM

God I hate that his only job is to read the game and comment on it and he fails so hard at it all the time


Ah well, they can't see all, as another example -> Valdez said that "Byul still needs to confirm if there is a second gas" - while he saw the first gas still being constructed and a factory that was ready. So there had to be a second gas.

both of them are extremely bad IMO, no clue about the game sometimes just stating what is so obvious. Not reading into it in any ways.
Wolf often times stating that he basically can only play protoss cheese, that is how good his game understanding is.

I miss Moonglade, where is he, a Zerg is playing. I miss Tastosis

I'd take Valdez over Tasteless or Artosis every time


Tasteless - the king of generic statements - his army is at the production facilities of his terran opponent, this is bad!!!
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
September 16 2015 11:29 GMT
#225
On September 16 2015 20:27 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better.

even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul
what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at?

Maybe Byul is just that damn good???
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
September 16 2015 11:29 GMT
#226
On September 16 2015 20:26 Rollora wrote:
Mass mutas is so strong, if you ever lose your army and don't have a Thor and some mines, the zerg can basically do whatever he wants.
Ok I am pretty sure Flash would have done batter that game. So Gumi, show us that the right one advanced

pretty sure the only prepared bo5 we've seen Flash play in SC2 is Code A lol and SSL Challenger when he got stomped by Life
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
September 16 2015 11:29 GMT
#227
On September 16 2015 20:27 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better.

even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul
what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at?

No idea, it's weird. Used to be that Zerg got killed loads of times with the 3/3 parade push against 2/2
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
September 16 2015 11:30 GMT
#228
On September 16 2015 20:29 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:27 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better.

even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul
what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at?

Maybe Byul is just that damn good???

IMPOSSIBRU
"Expert" mods4ever.com
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 16 2015 11:30 GMT
#229
ByuL has been the best vT for a long time.
Moderator
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 16 2015 11:31 GMT
#230
Byul such a solid player
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 16 2015 11:31 GMT
#231
On September 16 2015 20:30 stuchiu wrote:
ByuL has been the best vT for a long time.


Shared with Dark imo
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 16 2015 11:31 GMT
#232
Does Gumiho really have the best mech? I know he's always been a Mech v Z player, but is he really better than Inno and others?
gg no re thx
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
September 16 2015 11:32 GMT
#233
On September 16 2015 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:23 Rollora wrote:
On September 16 2015 20:18 Ketch wrote:
On September 16 2015 20:16 Rollora wrote:
It's not blind Wolf, he has seen the WM

God I hate that his only job is to read the game and comment on it and he fails so hard at it all the time


Ah well, they can't see all, as another example -> Valdez said that "Byul still needs to confirm if there is a second gas" - while he saw the first gas still being constructed and a factory that was ready. So there had to be a second gas.

both of them are extremely bad IMO, no clue about the game sometimes just stating what is so obvious. Not reading into it in any ways.
Wolf often times stating that he basically can only play protoss cheese, that is how good his game understanding is.

I miss Moonglade, where is he, a Zerg is playing. I miss Tastosis

Moonglade has bad calls too :-) And I think all of them are getting better.

But MoonMoon does a way better job at explaining what happens in the game (not on the screen, but in the game) and in the head of the players. The thinking and decision process. And also he adds when he isn't sure, while Wolf always says his things as if it is a fact and that is, when he is obviously misreading a situation.
And no, I don't think they are getting better. I especially watch Wolf making these mistakes ever since his very first cast.
It also bugs me, that he always explains the game as if I just started playing SC2. This is the GSL, it has only a few viewers and that is because 99% of them know what they are dealing with and want to see the best of the best, not some SC2 firsttimers
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 11:33:59
September 16 2015 11:32 GMT
#234
On September 16 2015 20:27 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better.

even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul
what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at?

From what I see, it's mostly that Zergs are really really safe these days. It's really hard to kill them with Hellbat timings for example, compared to before. Also, they've been going 2 base mutas (while producing a lot of queens to be safe vs hellbats) in most of their game, and while it delays their upgrades, it gives them A LOT of map control and denies the Terran's map control, so they can play greedy after a not so greedy opening. The additional queens can also spread creep once the hellbat threat is gone, making fights very easy.
So mostly, Terrans have no way of putting pressure (or haven't found it yet) to zergs, and zergs play greedy while putting pressure on the Terran (with mutas)
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 11:34:15
September 16 2015 11:33 GMT
#235
rofl, wat Gumiho?!

edit: kk nvm
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 16 2015 11:33 GMT
#236
Yup, he's going bio again
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
September 16 2015 11:33 GMT
#237
Stimpack again :o
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
September 16 2015 11:34 GMT
#238
On September 16 2015 20:32 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:
On September 16 2015 20:23 Rollora wrote:
On September 16 2015 20:18 Ketch wrote:
On September 16 2015 20:16 Rollora wrote:
It's not blind Wolf, he has seen the WM

God I hate that his only job is to read the game and comment on it and he fails so hard at it all the time


Ah well, they can't see all, as another example -> Valdez said that "Byul still needs to confirm if there is a second gas" - while he saw the first gas still being constructed and a factory that was ready. So there had to be a second gas.

both of them are extremely bad IMO, no clue about the game sometimes just stating what is so obvious. Not reading into it in any ways.
Wolf often times stating that he basically can only play protoss cheese, that is how good his game understanding is.

I miss Moonglade, where is he, a Zerg is playing. I miss Tastosis

Moonglade has bad calls too :-) And I think all of them are getting better.

But MoonMoon does a way better job at explaining what happens in the game (not on the screen, but in the game) and in the head of the players. The thinking and decision process. And also he adds when he isn't sure, while Wolf always says his things as if it is a fact and that is, when he is obviously misreading a situation.
And no, I don't think they are getting better. I especially watch Wolf making these mistakes ever since his very first cast.
It also bugs me, that he always explains the game as if I just started playing SC2. This is the GSL, it has only a few viewers and that is because 99% of them know what they are dealing with and want to see the best of the best, not some SC2 firsttimers

If you focus on it you'll hear every little mistake, ruiining your viewing experience, hard to undo though. Maybe try and laugh about it?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
September 16 2015 11:34 GMT
#239
On September 16 2015 20:32 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 20:27 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better.

even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul
what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at?

From what I see, it's mostly that Zergs are really really safe these days. It's really hard to kill them with Hellbat timings for example, compared to before. Also, they've been going 2 base mutas (while producing a lot of queens to be safe vs hellbats) in most of their game, and while it delays their upgrades, it gives them A LOT of map control and denies the Terran's map control, so they can play greedy after a not so greedy opening. The additional queens can also spread creep once the hellbat threat is gone, making fights very easy.
So mostly, Terrans have no way of putting pressure (or haven't found it yet) to zergs, and zergs play greedy while putting pressure on the Terran (with mutas)

that make sense, thanks
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
September 16 2015 11:34 GMT
#240
Well done Gumiho, way to end your RO8, 2 times bio in a row...
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 21 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 50m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 178
SortOf 177
ProTech47
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 38570
GuemChi 1478
Shuttle 355
Tasteless 299
soO 296
Sharp 287
Hm[arnc] 269
Leta 232
Shine 144
Dewaltoss 73
[ Show more ]
ToSsGirL 23
Backho 11
Icarus 11
Rain 0
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K692
Other Games
summit1g7317
C9.Mang0296
Mew2King46
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick755
Counter-Strike
PGL129
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH531
• davetesta35
• StrangeGG 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1428
• Stunt526
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
1h 50m
Replay Cast
16h 50m
The PondCast
1d 2h
KCM Race Survival
1d 2h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Ultimate Battle
2 days
Light vs ZerO
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
Classic vs Nicoract
herO vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs Gerald
Clem vs Krystianer
Replay Cast
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3 days
MaxPax vs Spirit
Bunny vs Rogue
Cure vs SHIN
Solar vs Zoun
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-03
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.