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On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better.
even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul
what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at?
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On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better.
Dream got him in close-spawns on Cactus in an SPL game
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On September 16 2015 20:27 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:23 Rollora wrote:On September 16 2015 20:18 Ketch wrote:On September 16 2015 20:16 Rollora wrote:
It's not blind Wolf, he has seen the WM
God I hate that his only job is to read the game and comment on it and he fails so hard at it all the time Ah well, they can't see all, as another example -> Valdez said that "Byul still needs to confirm if there is a second gas" - while he saw the first gas still being constructed and a factory that was ready. So there had to be a second gas. both of them are extremely bad IMO, no clue about the game sometimes just stating what is so obvious. Not reading into it in any ways. Wolf often times stating that he basically can only play protoss cheese, that is how good his game understanding is. I miss Moonglade, where is he, a Zerg is playing. I miss Tastosis I'd take Valdez over Tasteless or Artosis every time
Tasteless - the king of generic statements  - his army is at the production facilities of his terran opponent, this is bad!!!
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On September 16 2015 20:27 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better. even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at?
Maybe Byul is just that damn good???
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On September 16 2015 20:26 Rollora wrote:
Mass mutas is so strong, if you ever lose your army and don't have a Thor and some mines, the zerg can basically do whatever he wants.
Ok I am pretty sure Flash would have done batter that game. So Gumi, show us that the right one advanced
pretty sure the only prepared bo5 we've seen Flash play in SC2 is Code A lol and SSL Challenger when he got stomped by Life
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On September 16 2015 20:27 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better. even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at?
No idea, it's weird. Used to be that Zerg got killed loads of times with the 3/3 parade push against 2/2
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On September 16 2015 20:29 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:27 Die4Ever wrote:On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better. even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at? Maybe Byul is just that damn good???
IMPOSSIBRU
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ByuL has been the best vT for a long time.
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On September 16 2015 20:30 stuchiu wrote:
ByuL has been the best vT for a long time.
Shared with Dark imo
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Does Gumiho really have the best mech? I know he's always been a Mech v Z player, but is he really better than Inno and others?
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On September 16 2015 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:23 Rollora wrote:On September 16 2015 20:18 Ketch wrote:On September 16 2015 20:16 Rollora wrote:
It's not blind Wolf, he has seen the WM
God I hate that his only job is to read the game and comment on it and he fails so hard at it all the time Ah well, they can't see all, as another example -> Valdez said that "Byul still needs to confirm if there is a second gas" - while he saw the first gas still being constructed and a factory that was ready. So there had to be a second gas. both of them are extremely bad IMO, no clue about the game sometimes just stating what is so obvious. Not reading into it in any ways. Wolf often times stating that he basically can only play protoss cheese, that is how good his game understanding is. I miss Moonglade, where is he, a Zerg is playing. I miss Tastosis Moonglade has bad calls too :-) And I think all of them are getting better.
But MoonMoon does a way better job at explaining what happens in the game (not on the screen, but in the game) and in the head of the players. The thinking and decision process. And also he adds when he isn't sure, while Wolf always says his things as if it is a fact and that is, when he is obviously misreading a situation.
And no, I don't think they are getting better. I especially watch Wolf making these mistakes ever since his very first cast.
It also bugs me, that he always explains the game as if I just started playing SC2. This is the GSL, it has only a few viewers and that is because 99% of them know what they are dealing with and want to see the best of the best, not some SC2 firsttimers
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On September 16 2015 20:27 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better. even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at?
From what I see, it's mostly that Zergs are really really safe these days. It's really hard to kill them with Hellbat timings for example, compared to before. Also, they've been going 2 base mutas (while producing a lot of queens to be safe vs hellbats) in most of their game, and while it delays their upgrades, it gives them A LOT of map control and denies the Terran's map control, so they can play greedy after a not so greedy opening. The additional queens can also spread creep once the hellbat threat is gone, making fights very easy.
So mostly, Terrans have no way of putting pressure (or haven't found it yet) to zergs, and zergs play greedy while putting pressure on the Terran (with mutas)
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rofl, wat Gumiho?!
edit: kk nvm
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Yup, he's going bio again
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On September 16 2015 20:32 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:26 deacon.frost wrote:On September 16 2015 20:23 Rollora wrote:On September 16 2015 20:18 Ketch wrote:On September 16 2015 20:16 Rollora wrote:
It's not blind Wolf, he has seen the WM
God I hate that his only job is to read the game and comment on it and he fails so hard at it all the time Ah well, they can't see all, as another example -> Valdez said that "Byul still needs to confirm if there is a second gas" - while he saw the first gas still being constructed and a factory that was ready. So there had to be a second gas. both of them are extremely bad IMO, no clue about the game sometimes just stating what is so obvious. Not reading into it in any ways. Wolf often times stating that he basically can only play protoss cheese, that is how good his game understanding is. I miss Moonglade, where is he, a Zerg is playing. I miss Tastosis Moonglade has bad calls too :-) And I think all of them are getting better. But MoonMoon does a way better job at explaining what happens in the game (not on the screen, but in the game) and in the head of the players. The thinking and decision process. And also he adds when he isn't sure, while Wolf always says his things as if it is a fact and that is, when he is obviously misreading a situation. And no, I don't think they are getting better. I especially watch Wolf making these mistakes ever since his very first cast. It also bugs me, that he always explains the game as if I just started playing SC2. This is the GSL, it has only a few viewers and that is because 99% of them know what they are dealing with and want to see the best of the best, not some SC2 firsttimers
If you focus on it you'll hear every little mistake, ruiining your viewing experience, hard to undo though. Maybe try and laugh about it?
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On September 16 2015 20:32 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 20:27 Die4Ever wrote:On September 16 2015 20:26 -YoricK- wrote:
Aside from Ty killing Byul with that timing attack in PL, when was the last time a Bio player beat a zerg in Korean level TvZ? Just seems like a waste of a map to go bio if your mech is much better. even Innovation looked like a fool playing bio against Byul what changed anyways? what did zergs get so much better at? From what I see, it's mostly that Zergs are really really safe these days. It's really hard to kill them with Hellbat timings for example, compared to before. Also, they've been going 2 base mutas (while producing a lot of queens to be safe vs hellbats) in most of their game, and while it delays their upgrades, it gives them A LOT of map control and denies the Terran's map control, so they can play greedy after a not so greedy opening. The additional queens can also spread creep once the hellbat threat is gone, making fights very easy. So mostly, Terrans have no way of putting pressure (or haven't found it yet) to zergs, and zergs play greedy while putting pressure on the Terran (with mutas)
that make sense, thanks
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Well done Gumiho, way to end your RO8, 2 times bio in a row...
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