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Australia18228 Posts
Couldve done a lot more damage with better warpprism micro
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Warp prism seems to be OP as fuck
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There is pretty much nothing terran can do against protoss in the current version of the beta. There is no such thing as a safe opening. There is no affordable army comp that can keep up with the protoss tech. There is no way to get enough production up to consistently trade armies.
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It's kind of a shame that this tournament just happened to be on this patch. The game isn't even close to ready yet and the economy is a mess
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On August 30 2015 04:39 johnbongham wrote: There is pretty much nothing terran can do against protoss in the current version of the beta. There is no such thing as a safe opening. There is no affordable army comp that can keep up with the protoss tech. There is no way to get enough production up to consistently trade armies.
It's less the tech than doing the damage to the massively tanky army the Protoss can toss out. That's really why Huk/MC won there.
And, yeah, there will definitely be a lot of changes to come.
Still, some Widow Mines would have helped a lot.
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Also, since we're getting a chance to see 1600+ APM between 4 pro-level players, it's very possible that some units will be broken in Pro-level Archon Mode but balanced in Pro-Level 1v1.
Something to keep in mind.
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Liberators are such a dumb unit lol
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Australia18228 Posts
This is why betas are fun Every race is op and shit at the same time
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If you can get to your OP composition, that's quite true.
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On August 30 2015 04:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Liberators are such a dumb unit lol
Why? Currently the only unit that made that victory possible and that is only because huk and mc didnt go fenix fast enough.
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On August 30 2015 04:54 Inflicted wrote: This is why betas are fun Every race is op and shit at the same time
Fun game, but Terran isn't even remotely OP in the beta even with powerful units.
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That was actually pretty fun to watch.
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Australia18228 Posts
Whyd they leave just as they were gonna kill the marauders
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who is casting?
one of them sounds like demuslim but then doesn't sound like demuslim
fuckin gretorp. he sounds nothing like demuslim.
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Those overnerfed adepts look scary enough.
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The Warp Prism play is OP in Archon mode, in the early game.
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On August 30 2015 05:05 sparklewolf wrote: who is casting?
one of them sounds like demuslim but then doesn't sound like demuslim
fuckin gretorp. he sounds nothing like demuslim.
Vibe?
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your Country52797 Posts
HuK/MC won? Did they play well?
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On August 30 2015 05:09 The_Templar wrote: HuK/MC won? Did they play well? They played Protoss
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On August 30 2015 05:09 The_Templar wrote: HuK/MC won? Did they play well?
Played an abusive Warp Prism/Adept early pressure, which forced Qxc/Beastqt to turtle. Game 1 & 3 it got enough damage done. Game 2 it didn't, and they got picked apart in the mid-game.
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Game 2 was pretty sick, but tbh I think moonlight is probably the best tvp map in the pool.
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On August 30 2015 05:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:They played Protoss
Actually it looked like they played Terran from what I saw of the third map.
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Man this tourney is so fun though, shoutout to mal for doing a great job translating and bringing out some fun comments
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On August 30 2015 05:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:They played Protoss I thought Protoss was the weakest race in LotV so far ?
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Well, not much action atm...
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lol seems like a lot of QQ by the caster
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On August 30 2015 05:30 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 05:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 30 2015 05:09 The_Templar wrote: HuK/MC won? Did they play well? They played Protoss I thought Protoss was the weakest race in LotV so far ?
That was before blizz decided terrans actually didnt need mules and it was debateable before then too.
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CatZanias are pretty funny together
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On August 30 2015 05:30 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 05:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 30 2015 05:09 The_Templar wrote: HuK/MC won? Did they play well? They played Protoss I thought Protoss was the weakest race in LotV so far ?
PvT is probably the most imba MU right now in favor of P. Maybe ZvT but I haven't seen it enough.
SCV pull was good in the sense Zealots are so ridiculous right now with charge, that the toss is just making a lot of them, and the SCVs were able to tank the hits.
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pulling scvs is so smart to bait the charge thingy
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That's hillarious. I thought disruptor was supposed to end SCV pulls.
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On August 30 2015 05:46 pmp10 wrote: That's hillarious. I thought disruptor was supposed to end SCV pulls. killing mules was supposed to stop the scv pulls, but now i dont mind it becuse protoss has to micro the zelots .The charge damage adds to game way more than i though initially
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This ramp is just begging to be cheesed, I've been having so much fun with Cannon spamming.
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interesting bunker placement, nice.
I like Catz and Nate as casters a lot.
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Wow, proxy rax cheese in archon mode. The macro guy must have been sweating like crazy!
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On August 30 2015 05:56 BaneRiders wrote: Wow, proxy rax cheese in archon mode. The macro guy must have been sweating like crazy! you mean the bunker guy.
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Did they just pick DRG/True so Ryung could spam "IMBA" in the chat again?
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On August 30 2015 05:57 xtorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 05:56 BaneRiders wrote: Wow, proxy rax cheese in archon mode. The macro guy must have been sweating like crazy! you mean the bunker guy.
Right! The bunker and possibly also the supply depot guy.
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On August 30 2015 06:03 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 05:57 xtorn wrote:On August 30 2015 05:56 BaneRiders wrote: Wow, proxy rax cheese in archon mode. The macro guy must have been sweating like crazy! you mean the bunker guy. Right! The bunker and possibly also the supply depot guy. Happy birthday!
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Why did Ryung not get rated 10 on decision making?
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Jaedong + DRG should team up so they can become Jaedongraegu
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On August 30 2015 06:12 PinheadXXXXXX wrote: Why did Ryung not get rated 10 on decision making?
probably because they picked to play true and drg.
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On August 30 2015 06:16 Tachion wrote: Jaedong + DRG should team up so they can become Jaedongraegu
If they teamed it would be the Ragnadong. We shall all be buried in Zerglings
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Mutas continue to still be a good unit 
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Zerg: Best race, with the smartest and most handsome players.
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On August 30 2015 06:31 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Zerg: Best race, with the smartest and most handsome players. DRG is a cutie i know
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On August 30 2015 06:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Mutas continue to still be a good unit  Mutas got buffed with the air separation radius change thing. Also they aren't larva intensive but require a lot of minerals to deal with which helps them more
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On August 30 2015 06:36 xtorn wrote: qxc with the mindgames What'd he say I wasnt paying attention
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it's funny watching high level lotv play because in diamond lotv on ladder no one knows how to play these styles yet lol
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On August 30 2015 06:20 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 06:16 Tachion wrote: Jaedong + DRG should team up so they can become Jaedongraegu If they teamed it would be the Ragnadong. We shall all be buried in Zerglings
DoubleDong tbh
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Looking really bad for Heart and Ryung
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It was a brave decision not to relfect this match.
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I am still not sure if i like this lotv gameplay tbh
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On August 30 2015 07:04 IceBerrY wrote: It was a brave decision not to relfect this match. Often times, the difference between bravery and stupidity is success.
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that drop was sooo SICK!!!!! What a game-changer
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The observer doesn't know where the 3rd base is LOL
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bwahahaah genius jump-a-tron
inb4 it gets nerfed tho
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Haha, that scouting option will never make it into the game
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I really don't like tank drops.
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On August 30 2015 07:33 Ansibled wrote: I really don't like tank drops.
Same. Its like the entire matchup revolves around it now.
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your Country52797 Posts
On August 30 2015 07:33 Ansibled wrote: I really don't like tank drops. Happy birthday, and me neither :\
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On August 30 2015 07:33 Ansibled wrote: I really don't like tank drops. Me neither but Beastyqxc look like a great team.
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gg
it was episode 2 korea strikes back but episode 3 the return of qxc
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On August 30 2015 07:39 xtorn wrote: gg
it was episode 2 korea strikes back but episode 3 the return of qxc Shouldn't it be episode 5 and 6?
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On August 30 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 07:39 xtorn wrote: gg
it was episode 2 korea strikes back but episode 3 the return of qxc Shouldn't it be episode 5 and 6? How can there be 5 or 6 episodes when there were only 3 movies?
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On August 30 2015 07:50 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 30 2015 07:39 xtorn wrote: gg
it was episode 2 korea strikes back but episode 3 the return of qxc Shouldn't it be episode 5 and 6? How can there be 5 or 6 episodes when there were only 3 movies?  I never understood this, the old ones weren't that great either, maybe i am too young and thus lack the nostalgia? :D
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I'm really not a fan of this asymmetric balance :/
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The shower of storms.
Beautiful.
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On August 30 2015 07:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 07:50 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 30 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 30 2015 07:39 xtorn wrote: gg
it was episode 2 korea strikes back but episode 3 the return of qxc Shouldn't it be episode 5 and 6? How can there be 5 or 6 episodes when there were only 3 movies?  I never understood this, the old ones weren't that great either, maybe i am too young and thus lack the nostalgia? :D People just hate episodes 1, 2, and 3 for some reason.
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Adepts are so strong with the 2 sec Prism + 7 pickup range that literally the only thing Terran can do is to counterharass with Liberators at abusable air positions. If you can't counter an uncounterable bullshit, use your own uncounterable bullshit, I guess. The only thing is Terran is so far behind the whole time they don't really have a chance.
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Liberators are the key to tvp. Just control them well and you always win the fight on the ground...
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On August 30 2015 08:17 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 07:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 30 2015 07:50 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 30 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 30 2015 07:39 xtorn wrote: gg
it was episode 2 korea strikes back but episode 3 the return of qxc Shouldn't it be episode 5 and 6? How can there be 5 or 6 episodes when there were only 3 movies?  I never understood this, the old ones weren't that great either, maybe i am too young and thus lack the nostalgia? :D People just hate episodes 1, 2, and 3 for some reason.  Because they're absolutely awful
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On August 30 2015 08:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 08:17 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 30 2015 07:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 30 2015 07:50 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 30 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 30 2015 07:39 xtorn wrote: gg
it was episode 2 korea strikes back but episode 3 the return of qxc Shouldn't it be episode 5 and 6? How can there be 5 or 6 episodes when there were only 3 movies?  I never understood this, the old ones weren't that great either, maybe i am too young and thus lack the nostalgia? :D People just hate episodes 1, 2, and 3 for some reason.  Because they're absolutely awful The old movies are pretty awful too, nobody seems to care though :/
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On August 30 2015 08:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 08:17 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 30 2015 07:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 30 2015 07:50 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 30 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 30 2015 07:39 xtorn wrote: gg
it was episode 2 korea strikes back but episode 3 the return of qxc Shouldn't it be episode 5 and 6? How can there be 5 or 6 episodes when there were only 3 movies?  I never understood this, the old ones weren't that great either, maybe i am too young and thus lack the nostalgia? :D People just hate episodes 1, 2, and 3 for some reason.  Because they're absolutely awful episode 3 was pretty decent
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On August 30 2015 08:35 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 08:20 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 30 2015 08:17 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 30 2015 07:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 30 2015 07:50 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 30 2015 07:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 30 2015 07:39 xtorn wrote: gg
it was episode 2 korea strikes back but episode 3 the return of qxc Shouldn't it be episode 5 and 6? How can there be 5 or 6 episodes when there were only 3 movies?  I never understood this, the old ones weren't that great either, maybe i am too young and thus lack the nostalgia? :D People just hate episodes 1, 2, and 3 for some reason.  Because they're absolutely awful The old movies are pretty awful too, nobody seems to care though :/ Nostalgia's a pretty powerful thing.
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This is the first time I've ever seen what Bails looks like
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Why wouldn't you reflect to Huk and MC? Two teams with three lives remaining means bad news for anyone with 2 lives...
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On August 30 2015 09:00 sharkie wrote: Why wouldn't you reflect to Huk and MC? Two teams with three lives remaining means bad news for anyone with 2 lives...
But if you eliminate puck and bails you have a better chance of getting some more of dat Red Bull Esports money
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On August 30 2015 09:04 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 09:00 sharkie wrote: Why wouldn't you reflect to Huk and MC? Two teams with three lives remaining means bad news for anyone with 2 lives... But if you eliminate puck and bails you have a better chance of getting some more of dat Red Bull Esports money
Isn't the ultimate goal top2 here?
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On August 30 2015 09:06 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 09:04 showstealer1829 wrote:On August 30 2015 09:00 sharkie wrote: Why wouldn't you reflect to Huk and MC? Two teams with three lives remaining means bad news for anyone with 2 lives... But if you eliminate puck and bails you have a better chance of getting some more of dat Red Bull Esports money Isn't the ultimate goal top2 here?
Ultimately, but if you can get as much cash on the way...
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Are Huk and MC thought to be the most dangerous pair?
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On August 30 2015 09:18 Proko wrote: Are Huk and MC thought to be the most dangerous pair?
they should be.
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Not gonna lie, missed game 1, what was map 1?
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There is too much downtime for this to be enjoyable :/
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On August 30 2015 09:34 Faefae wrote: There is too much downtime for this to be enjoyable :/
that's what she said :/
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On August 30 2015 09:34 Faefae wrote: There is too much downtime for this to be enjoyable :/
I like this.
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On August 30 2015 09:34 Faefae wrote: There is too much downtime for this to be enjoyable :/
No kidding, I didn't tune in to see Nathanias and Catz talk to each other.
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The tournament is great, the format is awesome, but they need to figure out how to end the huuuge downtime.
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zzzz so much dragging out just for 1-2 more games.
Edit: Spoke too soon, GO BAILS/PUCK!
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Awesome game. That's what the dev team wants from lotv!
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why didnt they have any roaches to tank for their lurks
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On August 30 2015 09:50 Tiaraju9 wrote: The tournament is great, the format is awesome, but they need to figure out how to end the huuuge downtime. Yeah.. The games are really cool but i want to sleep
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Hydra, Lurker, Broodlord, Corruptor, Queens
This is true fear. BL/Infestor was nothing
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Is it too soon to start spamming IMBA IMBA IMBA?
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Holy shit, adepst + 2 sec warpin + pick up range. This is so ridiculous.
And now 30 damage charge lol.
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Team Zerg vs oGsTL- will it happen?
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On August 30 2015 11:45 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches?
crank/alicia vs beasty/qxc
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Hey are the macro boosters patch being played during this tournament?
edit: agreed, beastyqxc vs axiom was great!
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Watching through the games I missed, I'm wondering if a useful change might be something not really thought about yet, given the macro booster removal.
Rather than 400/400/300 for Nexus/CC/Hatchery, maybe it should be 350/350/250?
Warp Prism needs to come out 30s later. But there's still months of balancing that they'll be doing, so what is, is, right now.
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On August 30 2015 19:42 Taf the Ghost wrote:Watching through the games I missed, I'm wondering if a useful change might be something not really thought about yet, given the macro booster removal. Rather than 400/400/300 for Nexus/CC/Hatchery, maybe it should be 350/350/250? Warp Prism needs to come out 30s later.  But there's still months of balancing that they'll be doing, so what is, is, right now.
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That moment when you realize you meant to push the Edit button, but just quoted yourself and didn't realize it.
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On August 30 2015 09:00 sharkie wrote: Why wouldn't you reflect to Huk and MC? Two teams with three lives remaining means bad news for anyone with 2 lives... seems like those 2 teams have an alliance is my guest (crank looked shocked when huk seemed to pick them earlier in the day but gave them a cake instead). although still doesn't seem smart, have to be top 2, somebody has to start beating those 2 teams.
But if you eliminate puck and bails you have a better chance of getting some more of dat Red Bull Esports money
you only get cash if you beat a team. they had a better chance of winning more money if they had played puck the next day instead of getting drg to beat puck. i don't think crank is thinking his strats through. to me, it looks like he's aiming for #3 which gets him nothing.
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On the Warp Prism/Adept issue, I think the "softest" solution would be for the 2 second Warp-In to only activate with Twilight Council existing. Just like Armory for Hellbats.
That warp-in time differential should really only be all that's needed to change it from something probably "too strong" in a lot of cases to a strong play that requires a response but is unlikely to kill you unless you fail to defend decently.
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On August 30 2015 21:41 Taf the Ghost wrote: On the Warp Prism/Adept issue, I think the "softest" solution would be for the 2 second Warp-In to only activate with Twilight Council existing. Just like Armory for Hellbats.
That warp-in time differential should really only be all that's needed to change it from something probably "too strong" in a lot of cases to a strong play that requires a response but is unlikely to kill you unless you fail to defend decently.
People do one base robo twilight adept allins all the time, and they're fucking silly.
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i hope they dont change the 2 second warpin. it really makes the game exciting. Maybe less fun to play against but definitely more fun to watch.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xWtAXhb.jpg)
Nate and CatZ casting in a nutshell
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I've been enjoying Nate/CatZ casting this tournament but the other set of casters isn't really very good for me, they just seem bad at building hype IDK.
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Yeah but then I've never been much of a fan of Gretorp
So today should be pretty easy I think. Without a shield left everyone targets the Axiom Protosses first then the Foreign Terrans get swallowed. Team Bitch Please and OneTRUEDong qualify
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I want to know where Catz shops for his clothes. He is the most stylish caster SC has ever seen.
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Someone make a day 3 thread please. Its really easy, Lorning has it all ready in the LR resources thread
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I'd do it but I don't know if I'll be on all day so I won't be able to update it
As predicted though, everyone is going to pile on the Axiom Protosses. But they got out of the first match unscathed
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On August 31 2015 04:50 showstealer1829 wrote: I'd do it but I don't know if I'll be on all day so I won't be able to update it
As predicted though, everyone is going to pile on the Axiom Protosses. But they got out of the first match unscathed Just update it whenever you can. ^^
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Fine. I'll go as long as I can
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EDIT: This was intended to go in the day 3 thread.
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so uhm, this is why you need double gas in your nat in order to get DTs..
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god Chinese play is so daft
edit: belh, wrong thread
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