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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 17 2015 19:07 GMT
#1561
Guys it's really simple
TvZ=TvT >>>> ZvZ=PvP >> PvZ>TvP

There are exceptions, for example when Maru plays TvP, but in general this is the only true ranking of matchups
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 17 2015 19:07 GMT
#1562
On July 18 2015 04:03 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
PvZ >>>>> ZvZ

wtf

ZvZ has and always will be a matchup where both players kick each other in the nuts over and over with no end in sight. PvZ is an artform of positioning and the embodiment of quality vs. quantity.

I switched to Protoss years ago because of how much I hated ZvZ, and it hasn't gotten better since.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
July 17 2015 19:07 GMT
#1563
On July 18 2015 04:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Guys it's really simple
TvZ=TvT >>>> ZvZ=PvP >> PvZ>TvP

There are exceptions, for example when Maru plays TvP, but in general this is the only true ranking of matchups

and of course it's wrong
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
July 17 2015 19:08 GMT
#1564
On July 18 2015 04:06 GumBa wrote:
I want a ZvZ finals


who are you and what have you done with gumba?

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 17 2015 19:08 GMT
#1565
On July 18 2015 04:06 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:03 Alchemik wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
PvZ >>>>> ZvZ

wtf

Yeah wtf, in what world is this true?

I find Sentinel's mind to be an enigma from a zerg players standpoint. He takes pleasure in lillekanin mech and Flash mega abuse drops

I play Protoss
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
July 17 2015 19:09 GMT
#1566
On July 18 2015 04:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:03 Alchemik wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
PvZ >>>>> ZvZ

wtf

ZvZ has and always will be a matchup where both players kick each other in the nuts over and over with no end in sight. PvZ is an artform of positioning and the embodiment of quality vs. quantity.

I switched to Protoss years ago because of how much I hated ZvZ, and it hasn't gotten better since.


You need some soOjwa in your life
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
July 17 2015 19:09 GMT
#1567
On July 18 2015 04:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Guys it's really simple
TvZ=TvT >>>> ZvZ=PvP >> PvZ>TvP

There are exceptions, for example when Maru plays TvP, but in general this is the only true ranking of matchups

Excuse me? PvP is far better than ZvZ.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 17 2015 19:09 GMT
#1568
God level
PvZ
TvT
PvP
TvZ
PvT
ZvZ
Shit level
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 17 2015 19:09 GMT
#1569
On July 18 2015 04:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:06 Aocowns wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:03 Alchemik wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
PvZ >>>>> ZvZ

wtf

Yeah wtf, in what world is this true?

I find Sentinel's mind to be an enigma from a zerg players standpoint. He takes pleasure in lillekanin mech and Flash mega abuse drops

I play Protoss

oh yeah i know, i just meant you're weird as fuck when looked upon with a zerg's eyes lol
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 17 2015 19:10 GMT
#1570
On July 18 2015 04:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:03 Alchemik wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
PvZ >>>>> ZvZ

wtf

ZvZ has and always will be a matchup where both players kick each other in the nuts over and over with no end in sight. PvZ is an artform of positioning and the embodiment of quality vs. quantity.

I switched to Protoss years ago because of how much I hated ZvZ, and it hasn't gotten better since.

BEAUTIFUL FORCEFIELDS, TASTELESS
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
July 17 2015 19:10 GMT
#1571
On July 18 2015 04:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
God level
PvZ
TvT
PvP
TvZ
PvT
ZvZ
Shit level


Why so much hate for PvT?
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
July 17 2015 19:10 GMT
#1572
On July 18 2015 04:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:06 Aocowns wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:03 Alchemik wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
PvZ >>>>> ZvZ

wtf

Yeah wtf, in what world is this true?

I find Sentinel's mind to be an enigma from a zerg players standpoint. He takes pleasure in lillekanin mech and Flash mega abuse drops

I play Protoss

so you don't only have wrong opinions, you're also a horrible human

makes sense
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 17 2015 19:11 GMT
#1573
On July 18 2015 04:10 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:03 Alchemik wrote:
On July 18 2015 04:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
PvZ >>>>> ZvZ

wtf

ZvZ has and always will be a matchup where both players kick each other in the nuts over and over with no end in sight. PvZ is an artform of positioning and the embodiment of quality vs. quantity.

I switched to Protoss years ago because of how much I hated ZvZ, and it hasn't gotten better since.

BEAUTIFUL FORCEFIELDS, TASTELESS

el oh el i can make roaches
      i can too
let's make roaches and throw them at each other
      hey lemme make some hydras
no fair
      gg
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 17 2015 19:11 GMT
#1574
On July 18 2015 04:09 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Guys it's really simple
TvZ=TvT >>>> ZvZ=PvP >> PvZ>TvP

There are exceptions, for example when Maru plays TvP, but in general this is the only true ranking of matchups

Excuse me? PvP is far better than ZvZ.

hmhm nah it's about the same tbh.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19302 Posts
July 17 2015 19:11 GMT
#1575
I'm stuck cheering for the Fantasy killer
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 17 2015 19:13 GMT
#1576
On July 18 2015 04:10 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
God level
PvZ
TvT
PvP
TvZ
PvT
ZvZ
Shit level


Why so much hate for PvT?

I think it lacks any fun/interesting unit interactions
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 17 2015 19:13 GMT
#1577
On July 18 2015 04:10 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 04:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
God level
PvZ
TvT
PvP
TvZ
PvT
ZvZ
Shit level


Why so much hate for PvT?

Not a fan of MSC (I mean I love it when I'm using it) and not a fan of widow mines. PvT has both.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-17 19:14:18
July 17 2015 19:13 GMT
#1578
I wanted more MMMMMM players :/ the rest is boring to watch
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
July 17 2015 19:13 GMT
#1579
God damn ZvZ ruining another tournament. Please win Patience!
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
July 17 2015 19:14 GMT
#1580
TvZ > PvT > TvT > PvZ >>>> ZvZ >>>> PvP
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
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