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On May 09 2015 08:16 Deathstar wrote:
If Fantasy says something at any point going forward, something even remotely related to "I did not feel comfortable arguing with Hyun" or "I thought Hyun put the timer too far back" or whatever, fine I'll stop. But Fantasy is a competitor and he's playing to win. If he truly felt that Hyun was pushing it with putting the timer back 30 secs or so, I don't think he would have let it pass. That's what I'm thinking anyway.
This is completely irrelevant. (a) Competition in SC2 and cultural/social skills to realize you're being abused are two different things; (b) players don't necessarily have the same awareness of the situation anyway (i.e. FanTaSy might not have fully understood how big of an impact the fight would have had on the game). FanTaSy should not even have to be in that situation, which is why rules rightfully state that an admin should intervene in that case. Otherwise, people will just play the game of “pull the cover”. As it happened.
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On May 09 2015 08:20 Elentos wrote:
Wax's priority is broodlord/infestor losing. In 2015. The trauma is real.
patience is a grey warden battling a coming blight
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On May 09 2015 08:21 Caihead wrote:
Was fantasy actually aware that it was against the rules?
No one knew. They were playing, and DH was having internet issues for a bit, and so they restarted.
There was a caster too but they didn't interject at any point, so they were obv clueless. Hyun and Fantasy are veterans though so restarting from replay is really not a big deal...
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On May 09 2015 08:21 Caihead wrote:
Was fantasy actually aware that it was against the rules?
Wouldn't count on it.
Whenever I compete in something (MTG in the past, passionstone now) and I'm unsure on what to do, I always call an admin. Even if the solution seems easy and good it's better to be safe than sorry.
I think it's a good thing to do, even if it might take some time.
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On May 09 2015 08:21 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 08:16 Deathstar wrote:
If Fantasy says something at any point going forward, something even remotely related to "I did not feel comfortable arguing with Hyun" or "I thought Hyun put the timer too far back" or whatever, fine I'll stop. But Fantasy is a competitor and he's playing to win. If he truly felt that Hyun was pushing it with putting the timer back 30 secs or so, I don't think he would have let it pass. That's what I'm thinking anyway. This is completely irrelevant. (a) Competition in SC2 and cultural/social skills to realize you're being abused are two different things; (b) players don't necessarily have the same awareness of the situation anyway (i.e. FanTaSy might not have fully understood how big of an impact the fight would have had on the game). FanTaSy should not even have to be in that situation, which is why rules rightfully state that an admin should intervene in that case. Otherwise, people will just play the game of “pull the cover”. As it happened.
although i'm in the "who cares" camp mostly, to be fair dwf is spot on here, even the statement "fantasy is a competitor and he wouldn't just let it slide" in itself is kind of awkwardly projecting western stereotypes of how athletes are expected to act onto another culture
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Harstem winning is the dream
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if Harstem gets in the top four...
confirmed new best foreigner?
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On May 09 2015 08:21 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 08:16 Deathstar wrote:
If Fantasy says something at any point going forward, something even remotely related to "I did not feel comfortable arguing with Hyun" or "I thought Hyun put the timer too far back" or whatever, fine I'll stop. But Fantasy is a competitor and he's playing to win. If he truly felt that Hyun was pushing it with putting the timer back 30 secs or so, I don't think he would have let it pass. That's what I'm thinking anyway. This is completely irrelevant. (a) Competition in SC2 and cultural/social skills to realize you're being abused are two different things; (b) players don't necessarily have the same awareness of the situation anyway (i.e. FanTaSy might not have fully understood how big of an impact the fight would have had on the game). FanTaSy should not even have to be in that situation, which is why rules rightfully state that an admin should intervene in that case. Otherwise, people will just play the game of “pull the cover”. As it happened.
Yup, it should never come down to the players. Too many times in Starcraft and numerous other competitions where controversy exploded because it came down to the players.This is just another example.
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On May 09 2015 08:23 kaykoose wrote:
Harstem winning is the dream
because of lolPvP i think there is a 1/1000 world where rain beats parting and harstem beats rain, after that it would depend on his opponent in the finals
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On May 09 2015 08:22 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 08:21 Caihead wrote:
Was fantasy actually aware that it was against the rules? No one knew. They were playing, and DH was having internet issues for a bit, and so they restarted. There was a caster too but they didn't interject at any point, so they were obv clueless. Hyun and Fantasy are veterans though so restarting from replay is really not a big deal...
HyuN is an international tournament veteran. Not FanTaSy. (Not talking about restarting from replay, but about the familiarity with that kind of problem.)
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On May 09 2015 08:24 mikumegurine wrote:
if Harstem gets in the top four...
confirmed new best foreigner?
#MilleniumofHarstem
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On May 09 2015 08:22 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 08:21 Caihead wrote:
Was fantasy actually aware that it was against the rules? No one knew. They were playing, and DH was having internet issues for a bit, and so they restarted. There was a caster too but they didn't interject at any point, so they were obv clueless. Hyun and Fantasy are veterans though so restarting from replay is really not a big deal...
Oh, and the caster has zero authority over that matter, so I don't know why you mention him.
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Can someone explain the details of what happened with Fantasy and Hyun?
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On May 09 2015 08:39 HolyArrow wrote:
Can someone explain the details of what happened with Fantasy and Hyun?
HyuN was going for a 1-1 roach timing. After he engaged the game started to lag. At the end HyuN was even move commanding, so really bad micro. Also worth noting is that Fantasy had some great widow mine hits.
The players didn't contact an admin, but instead handled it by themselves. They decided to resume from replay. Supposedly HyuN asked Fantasy if it was ok to resume from a certain time (just before engagement I assume) and then resumed 10 seconds before that.
What happened then was that HyuN just backed off, never taking that poor engagement. Eventually he won the game.
If they had resumed at the "correct" point of time, HyuN still would've had to commit to the engagement but without the bad micro. He would've lost the engagement and been in a bad spot that game.
According to DH rules, he had to contact an admin.
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On May 09 2015 08:25 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2015 08:22 Deathstar wrote:On May 09 2015 08:21 Caihead wrote:
Was fantasy actually aware that it was against the rules? No one knew. They were playing, and DH was having internet issues for a bit, and so they restarted. There was a caster too but they didn't interject at any point, so they were obv clueless. Hyun and Fantasy are veterans though so restarting from replay is really not a big deal... HyuN is an international tournament veteran. Not FanTaSy. (Not talking about restarting from replay, but about the familiarity with that kind of problem.)
Just because Hyun is an international tournament veteran doesn't mean that he has more experience in this type of situation.
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Looking at the rules it seems like it was Hyun's responsibility to contact and admin. So, Hyun obviously didn't cheat (Fantasy should have said something to him if he didn't like what he was doing), but Hyun clearly broke the rules of the tournament.
Since Fantasy did not pause the game he was under no obligation to contact a admin. At this point though it be best to just let the matter go.
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Gumiho will be the first true test for MarineKing if I followed the brackets correctly.
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On May 09 2015 09:16 ZenithM wrote:
Gumiho will be the first true test for MarineKing if I followed the brackets correctly.
Lilbow was almost the ultimate test.
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On May 09 2015 08:24 mikumegurine wrote:
if Harstem gets in the top four...
confirmed new best foreigner?
It's already confirmed
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