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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Poll: Recommend Trap vs FanTaSy Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 7% ★★★- Good game (13) 46% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (10) 36% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3) 11% 28 total votes Your vote: Recommend Trap vs FanTaSy Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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On March 14 2015 21:32 Heartland wrote:
ugh
find your inner Protoss and appreciate the virtuoso that Trap is
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OsaX Nymloth
Poland3244 Posts
On March 14 2015 21:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 21:31 Incognoto wrote:On March 14 2015 21:29 OsaX Nymloth wrote:On March 14 2015 21:28 TriZ wrote:On March 14 2015 21:28 Incognoto wrote:On March 14 2015 21:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 14 2015 21:24 Incognoto wrote:
Terran not trying to pressure Protoss early is suicide either way though; Protoss players with solid defense are big problem to Terrans since Terran has no late-game. q_q
That's why it hurts my soul to see Fantasy lose that medivac. Terran has a very strong lategame, you just need very good control I'd like to believe you but I never see Terrans go for it. Even Innovation which is the macro machine of death pulls the boys when facing Protoss. I mean, if you could link a few vods I'll just watch them and re-evaluate the way I look at TvP. I'm not afraid of being wrong. But my gut feeling is that Protoss is just so much better than Terran once they get their stuff up and running with 3/3 and all of that jazz. The only terran I remember who dares going ultra late game was Taeja Hack recently showcased amazing late game tvp yep, Hack is the only example I have in my head and I specifically remember the casting saying that it was weird to see a Terran go into late game like that. Which is kind of true since, in the starcraft I've been watching recently, I don't remember late game TvP all that much. Just that game Hack showed and one game isn't enough to draw conclusions. E: actually INnoVation probably has the best lategame TvP, his army control and positioning is pretty sick when it gets to those scenarios I look that up then, thanks That's because PvT is extremely midgame oriented atm. Terran is incredibly strong in the midgame and protoss tailors their builds to survive, not transition to lategame quickly. Most of the time that's why games are decided in the midgame.
Yeah that + the fact Terrans love doing scv pulls.
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
Lol, sleep tight tiny man
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Dang, Trap ain't a one trick pony. Fantasy could have played that a lot better though, too many straight bio units, not enough vikings and ghosts I guess
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Isn't terran favoured in the ultra late game when they have 20+ ghots+vikings and some marauder medivac?
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Trap is looking really good!He outplayed Fantasy pretty hard,just keep playing like this.
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Yep, once the game gets to that stage its basically impossible to win as terran without perfect ghost + viking control. Cure and Innovation are very good at it, but you rarely see head on engagements with 4+ colussus go in the way of terran
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On March 14 2015 21:31 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 21:29 OsaX Nymloth wrote:On March 14 2015 21:28 TriZ wrote:On March 14 2015 21:28 Incognoto wrote:On March 14 2015 21:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 14 2015 21:24 Incognoto wrote:
Terran not trying to pressure Protoss early is suicide either way though; Protoss players with solid defense are big problem to Terrans since Terran has no late-game. q_q
That's why it hurts my soul to see Fantasy lose that medivac. Terran has a very strong lategame, you just need very good control I'd like to believe you but I never see Terrans go for it. Even Innovation which is the macro machine of death pulls the boys when facing Protoss. I mean, if you could link a few vods I'll just watch them and re-evaluate the way I look at TvP. I'm not afraid of being wrong. But my gut feeling is that Protoss is just so much better than Terran once they get their stuff up and running with 3/3 and all of that jazz. The only terran I remember who dares going ultra late game was Taeja Hack recently showcased amazing late game tvp yep, Hack is the only example I have in my head and I specifically remember the casting saying that it was weird to see a Terran go into late game like that. Which is kind of true since, in the starcraft I've been watching recently, I don't remember late game TvP all that much. Just that game Hack showed and one game isn't enough to draw conclusions.
That game was all Wolf hype. Trap had it won and fucked up badly. That's the only reason Hack won that game.
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your Country52798 Posts
FanTaStic storms last game.
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Gotta loosen up the mind before entering a match versus a monster. that's good, really good
@olli: makes sense to me, i guess
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On March 14 2015 21:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Isn't terran favoured in the ultra late game when they have 20+ ghots+vikings and some marauder medivac?
Only if you have late game understanding of TvP like Taeja did in 2013 and 2014.
Taeja has always had the sickest viking/ghost imo
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On March 14 2015 21:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Isn't terran favoured in the ultra late game when they have 20+ ghots+vikings and some marauder medivac?
mb fantasy doesn't know how to play lategame but ye even tod said there was too much bio on the ground he should have loaded up these 3 medivacs way earlier and sacrificed them to remax on ghost viking only maybe also take more bases, planetary at the gold etc
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On March 14 2015 21:35 sashkata wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 21:31 Incognoto wrote:On March 14 2015 21:29 OsaX Nymloth wrote:On March 14 2015 21:28 TriZ wrote:On March 14 2015 21:28 Incognoto wrote:On March 14 2015 21:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 14 2015 21:24 Incognoto wrote:
Terran not trying to pressure Protoss early is suicide either way though; Protoss players with solid defense are big problem to Terrans since Terran has no late-game. q_q
That's why it hurts my soul to see Fantasy lose that medivac. Terran has a very strong lategame, you just need very good control I'd like to believe you but I never see Terrans go for it. Even Innovation which is the macro machine of death pulls the boys when facing Protoss. I mean, if you could link a few vods I'll just watch them and re-evaluate the way I look at TvP. I'm not afraid of being wrong. But my gut feeling is that Protoss is just so much better than Terran once they get their stuff up and running with 3/3 and all of that jazz. The only terran I remember who dares going ultra late game was Taeja Hack recently showcased amazing late game tvp yep, Hack is the only example I have in my head and I specifically remember the casting saying that it was weird to see a Terran go into late game like that. Which is kind of true since, in the starcraft I've been watching recently, I don't remember late game TvP all that much. Just that game Hack showed and one game isn't enough to draw conclusions. That game was all Wolf hype. Trap had it won and fucked up badly. That's the only reason Hack won that game.
I kind of agree; Trap lost a ton of templars at a poorly placed pylon, and didn't expand past that left side base at all. That kind of composition at 30 minutes into a game should never work
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On March 14 2015 21:35 sashkata wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 21:31 Incognoto wrote:On March 14 2015 21:29 OsaX Nymloth wrote:On March 14 2015 21:28 TriZ wrote:On March 14 2015 21:28 Incognoto wrote:On March 14 2015 21:25 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 14 2015 21:24 Incognoto wrote:
Terran not trying to pressure Protoss early is suicide either way though; Protoss players with solid defense are big problem to Terrans since Terran has no late-game. q_q
That's why it hurts my soul to see Fantasy lose that medivac. Terran has a very strong lategame, you just need very good control I'd like to believe you but I never see Terrans go for it. Even Innovation which is the macro machine of death pulls the boys when facing Protoss. I mean, if you could link a few vods I'll just watch them and re-evaluate the way I look at TvP. I'm not afraid of being wrong. But my gut feeling is that Protoss is just so much better than Terran once they get their stuff up and running with 3/3 and all of that jazz. The only terran I remember who dares going ultra late game was Taeja Hack recently showcased amazing late game tvp yep, Hack is the only example I have in my head and I specifically remember the casting saying that it was weird to see a Terran go into late game like that. Which is kind of true since, in the starcraft I've been watching recently, I don't remember late game TvP all that much. Just that game Hack showed and one game isn't enough to draw conclusions. That game was all Wolf hype. Trap had it won and fucked up badly. That's the only reason Hack won that game.
That's trueTrap choked hard in that game.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On March 14 2015 21:36 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 21:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Isn't terran favoured in the ultra late game when they have 20+ ghots+vikings and some marauder medivac? Only if you have late game understanding of TvP like Taeja did in 2013 and 2014. Taeja has always had the sickest viking/ghost imo
Yeah, I can't remember him ever losing if he got to the mass orbital ghost/viking stage. And he was better than most people at getting there as well.
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On March 14 2015 21:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Isn't terran favoured in the ultra late game when they have 20+ ghots+vikings and some marauder medivac?
Terran is never favored in the late game unless the Protoss is making very big mistakes. If you can afford to build 20+ Ghosts then you already entered the late game with a huge advantage.
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On March 14 2015 21:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 21:36 sharkie wrote:On March 14 2015 21:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Isn't terran favoured in the ultra late game when they have 20+ ghots+vikings and some marauder medivac? Only if you have late game understanding of TvP like Taeja did in 2013 and 2014. Taeja has always had the sickest viking/ghost imo Yeah, I can't remember him ever losing if he got to the mass orbital ghost/viking stage. And he was better than most people at getting there as well.
Taeja vs Rain gave me the sickest nerd chills
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