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Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
March 11 2015 11:19 GMT
#541
http://aligulac.com/players/5/results/?after=2014-12-17&before=2015-03-11&event=&race=t&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=

Just look at that bonjwa-like PvT win rate. It's not even funny.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
March 11 2015 11:20 GMT
#542
You are no Mvp, Mr. MMA
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 11 2015 11:21 GMT
#543
On March 11 2015 20:10 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:08 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:07 pure.Wasted wrote:
Have we seen a single player dominate an entire race this hard since 2013 INnoVation?

lol...


He's 84% against Terrans since the start of December. Am I overreacting?

Life dominates ZvZ pretty much.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
spacemonkeyy
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia477 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 11:22:40
March 11 2015 11:21 GMT
#544
Parting is playing like someone that understands the game at a very intuitive level. He is not someone that plans builds and executes hoping he picked the right one (although sometimes this is the case), he has also shown great flexibility to adapt in game and have good response to opponents builds. This combined with a hyper aggresive style (which I believe all successful protoss must have in their arsenal) I think is championship worthy material.

Life just happens to play the same way.

Would rather watch a 4-1 of different build order games than watch a 4-3 macro/micro heavy games with essentially the same unit composition and story line (i.e TvZ). Diversity is what I want as a viewer.
SackOfWetMice
Profile Joined October 2014
United States288 Posts
March 11 2015 11:21 GMT
#545
On March 11 2015 20:17 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:11 SackOfWetMice wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:02 elwoodng wrote:
Thank god we have herO and PartinG to carry on the protoss torch after the decline of Zest and sOs and maybe Rain.

Zest never was up there outside of a very short period when Protoss was the overpowered race and Terrans were nonexistant.

Finally I catch you post this so I can show you that you're wrong and that you have to put more effort into your trolling. This is the last balance change done to this game. After June 5th of 2014, Zest had the following placements: top 8 Code S season 2, top 4 Code S season 3, top 4 Hot6 Cup, 2nd at IEM Toronto, 1st at KeSPA Cup. This is a month-long period of solid placements even after all balance updates were done.

I've already gone through and disseminated that argument in a different thread, no need to derail this one (which is about the GSL) and explain to you how you're incorrect. Stay on topic please.
Zest - Flash - TY - Top 3 SC2! - KT Rolster Fighting, #6 team in Proleague! - Zest #1 Proleague Ace Player!
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 11 2015 11:21 GMT
#546
On March 11 2015 20:16 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:15 opisska wrote:
I mus say that I really love GSL. Even though the low quality sucks a bit, watching Code S is still a unique and unparalleled experience. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what the reason is, but this just feels like the real thing.

Also, is Parting the greatest player to not have a GSL trophy? I mean, there are some "newer" people (mostly ex-BW players) who kinda stick out and do not have a GSL trophy yet, but Parting has been around since forever, he has always been at least good and occasionally great, but lacks the shiny thing on his shelf. Is there anyone else like that?


um soO?
Symbol would probably be #3


soO would be in the "not yet" category, he is a KeSPA-switch guy, itsn't he?
Symbol is a pretty good name to put here, I think he is on of the most often overlooked great players.


On March 11 2015 20:17 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:15 opisska wrote:
I mus say that I really love GSL. Even though the low quality sucks a bit, watching Code S is still a unique and unparalleled experience. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what the reason is, but this just feels like the real thing.

Also, is Parting the greatest player to not have a GSL trophy? I mean, there are some "newer" people (mostly ex-BW players) who kinda stick out and do not have a GSL trophy yet, but Parting has been around since forever, he has always been at least good and occasionally great, but lacks the shiny thing on his shelf. Is there anyone else like that?

TaeJa never had a GSL trophy either and he was pretty clearly the best player at multiple points. Also, Maru.


Honestly, as much as I like TaeJa, I was never truly convinced by him. He was definitely the best "travelling Korean" for some time, but there was this something missing when he played in GSL. But he is also definitely up there.

And silly me, I somehow thought Maru has a trophy.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 11 2015 11:22 GMT
#547
On March 11 2015 20:12 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:08 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:07 pure.Wasted wrote:
Have we seen a single player dominate an entire race this hard since 2013 INnoVation?

lol...

WHat's there to lol about ?

i thought he said dominate an entire race as in he's indisputably the best protoss in the world. maybe i read it wrong

I did too. herO and Life are pretty good against T too though? :D


Sorry for the confusion guys, I could have been clearer.

In the same timeframe, herO is 72% v Korean Terrans, a full 10% below PartinG's. Life's v Korean T is at 65%.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
March 11 2015 11:22 GMT
#548
Hmm before I go into/watch the games:
Were these macro games or was 2 of the Wins Bullshit Builds from our Guides here and 2 of them "protossed"?
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
March 11 2015 11:22 GMT
#549
Game 5 was just so bad from MMA...pretty sure SCV saw no nexus but maybe it didn't. Pylon sees dropship and MMA says "maybe he didn't see it"...Nexus cannon already activated and 3 stalkers there and he tries to fly over and past them...I think maybe he was mentally broken. Losing the cancelled nexus game had to get into his head.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 11 2015 11:22 GMT
#550
On March 11 2015 20:17 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:15 opisska wrote:
I mus say that I really love GSL. Even though the low quality sucks a bit, watching Code S is still a unique and unparalleled experience. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what the reason is, but this just feels like the real thing.

Also, is Parting the greatest player to not have a GSL trophy? I mean, there are some "newer" people (mostly ex-BW players) who kinda stick out and do not have a GSL trophy yet, but Parting has been around since forever, he has always been at least good and occasionally great, but lacks the shiny thing on his shelf. Is there anyone else like that?

TaeJa never had a GSL trophy either and he was pretty clearly the best player at multiple points. Also, Maru.

Taeja was pretty clearly the best player when exactly? I admit, i am probably biased against Taeja, but i can't remember this being true EVER
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 11 2015 11:25 GMT
#551
On March 11 2015 20:21 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:10 pure.Wasted wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:08 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:07 pure.Wasted wrote:
Have we seen a single player dominate an entire race this hard since 2013 INnoVation?

lol...


He's 84% against Terrans since the start of December. Am I overreacting?

Life dominates ZvZ pretty much.


From December till now, Life's ZvZ vs Koreans is at 72%, still 10% lower than PartinG's vT. From January of 2014 till now, Life's ZvZ vs Koreans is at... 72%. Literally within 1% of difference in more than a year. What in the hell.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
March 11 2015 11:25 GMT
#552
Lol already avaliable as VOD. Wow GSL you learned your part!
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 11:26:40
March 11 2015 11:26 GMT
#553
On March 11 2015 20:25 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:10 pure.Wasted wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:08 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:07 pure.Wasted wrote:
Have we seen a single player dominate an entire race this hard since 2013 INnoVation?

lol...


He's 84% against Terrans since the start of December. Am I overreacting?

Life dominates ZvZ pretty much.


From December till now, Life's ZvZ vs Koreans is at 72%, still 10% lower than PartinG's vT. From January of 2014 till now, Life's ZvZ vs Koreans is at... 72%. Literally within 1% of difference in more than a year. What in the hell.

Mirror Matchups work different
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
March 11 2015 11:26 GMT
#554
On March 11 2015 20:22 Rollora wrote:
Hmm before I go into/watch the games:
Were these macro games or was 2 of the Wins Bullshit Builds from our Guides here and 2 of them "protossed"?

game 4 was great
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 11 2015 11:27 GMT
#555
On March 11 2015 20:22 Rollora wrote:
Hmm before I go into/watch the games:
Were these macro games or was 2 of the Wins Bullshit Builds from our Guides here and 2 of them "protossed"?


There's plenty of bullshit, but PartinG's just on a whole 'nother level. It's not ambiguous. I was frustrated after he 2-0'd Maru, but tonight's display was just damn impressive (except for that WM).
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
March 11 2015 11:27 GMT
#556
On March 11 2015 20:25 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:10 pure.Wasted wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:08 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:07 pure.Wasted wrote:
Have we seen a single player dominate an entire race this hard since 2013 INnoVation?

lol...


He's 84% against Terrans since the start of December. Am I overreacting?

Life dominates ZvZ pretty much.


From December till now, Life's ZvZ vs Koreans is at 72%, still 10% lower than PartinG's vT. From January of 2014 till now, Life's ZvZ vs Koreans is at... 72%. Literally within 1% of difference in more than a year. What in the hell.

This percentage in a mirror MU is to be held in higher regard than a PvT winrate IMO. Mirrors have straight up build order losses and a lot more cheese.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 11 2015 11:28 GMT
#557
On March 11 2015 20:27 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:25 pure.Wasted wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:10 pure.Wasted wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:08 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:07 pure.Wasted wrote:
Have we seen a single player dominate an entire race this hard since 2013 INnoVation?

lol...


He's 84% against Terrans since the start of December. Am I overreacting?

Life dominates ZvZ pretty much.


From December till now, Life's ZvZ vs Koreans is at 72%, still 10% lower than PartinG's vT. From January of 2014 till now, Life's ZvZ vs Koreans is at... 72%. Literally within 1% of difference in more than a year. What in the hell.

This percentage in a mirror MU is to be held in higher regard than a PvT winrate IMO. Mirrors have straight up build order losses and a lot more cheese.


Hey! PvT has plenty of straight up build order losses!

...for the Terran...
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
March 11 2015 11:30 GMT
#558
On March 11 2015 20:22 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 20:12 The_Templar wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:10 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:08 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On March 11 2015 20:07 pure.Wasted wrote:
Have we seen a single player dominate an entire race this hard since 2013 INnoVation?

lol...

WHat's there to lol about ?

i thought he said dominate an entire race as in he's indisputably the best protoss in the world. maybe i read it wrong

I did too. herO and Life are pretty good against T too though? :D


Sorry for the confusion guys, I could have been clearer.

In the same timeframe, herO is 72% v Korean Terrans, a full 10% below PartinG's. Life's v Korean T is at 65%.



Life vT is good cause it's Life and he's incredibly good in general, but IMHO he's not that good at this match up in particular, he's not as smart as when he's playing againt P for instance.

Hyun as I think a better approach of the match up, even if he doesn't have the crazy mechanics of Life.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 11 2015 11:31 GMT
#559
Ok cause we are talking about winrates here, how do you guys prefer to filter these?
I usually only look at winrates against koreans AND offline.
You think online should be rated just as highly?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 11 2015 11:35 GMT
#560
On March 11 2015 20:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Ok cause we are talking about winrates here, how do you guys prefer to filter these?
I usually only look at winrates against koreans AND offline.
You think online should be rated just as highly?


Well, without online, your sample size takes such a huge cut (within the relevant time frame for PartinG, at least). But I don't know, is there a compelling reason to disregard them? It's the same player pool.
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