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WonnaPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands912 Posts
March 02 2015 11:12 GMT
#401
Wow, i was seriously considering putting either Curious or HerO in my FPL team....
I'm so glad I put aLive in instead, that was therrible..
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 02 2015 11:12 GMT
#402
On March 02 2015 20:11 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 20:10 Pandemona wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:08 Teoita wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:06 Pandemona wrote:
Doesn't he only need to kill the extractors to win? SC/Spores arent structures?


They are structures, which means zerg can't lose lategame basetrades if they have sh's

Ahh ok then thats fine then.
Could he have just warped 19 zealots in btw with that 19k and tried to win due to Swarm Hosts were in his base


Meh at that point curious had remade a hatch

Anyway, the swarm host change can't come soon enough. PvZ is just so so so god awful

Ahhh ok :3
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 02 2015 11:13 GMT
#403
Is this the Korean version of All About That Bass? It vaguely sounds like it, and also Wolf said he likes this song and I peg Wolf for a guy who'd love Meghan Trainor.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
March 02 2015 11:13 GMT
#404
On March 02 2015 20:12 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 20:09 HellHound wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:08 boxerfred wrote:
If the final clash between the armies consists of both players a moving, something is terribly wrong with the game.

That was a silver league game so both players A moving was what you would expect.

I don't think that with clumsy units such as the tempest, the void ray and the corruptor there would have been any micro involved that could not have been executed by a plat or diamond player. It's simply boring to see such fights.

I am not disagreeing or anything just trashing that game :D
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
March 02 2015 11:13 GMT
#405
On March 02 2015 20:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can't believe HerO lost this game after a forge opening vs a 10 pool.

10 pool vs forge first doesn't put you THAT far behind really if you only make the initial 6 lings and expand immediately after. HerO's initial screw up was not blocking the expansion, because Curious didn't send even one ling to handle the probe in his base, which I was really confused about. HerO even made a cannon just to be safe for whatever reason, making the economic deficit even closer.

Then he gave Zerg econ enough time to stabilize on 3 base before his first poke with the Voids+oracles, and STILL would have done lots of damage to Curious if he had not lost a Void Ray for practically nothing.

Really sloppy play from HerO. Good concepts, but sloppy, sloppy play.
I love crazymoving
Fortuna.424
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany174 Posts
March 02 2015 11:13 GMT
#406
To the people saying that Tempests are better than Carriers in this scenario, im specifically refer to players like Terminator who use Carriers in this scenario to a much higher success rate than i ever see Tempests do.
I like Zerglings... and Banelings... and also Roaches... well, i like ZERG
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4135 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 11:15:07
March 02 2015 11:14 GMT
#407
On March 02 2015 20:10 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 20:08 Teoita wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:06 Pandemona wrote:
Doesn't he only need to kill the extractors to win? SC/Spores arent structures?


They are structures, which means zerg can't lose lategame basetrades if they have sh's

Ahh ok then thats fine then.
Could he have just warped 19 zealots in btw with that 19k and tried to win due to Swarm Hosts were in his base

spores and spines are structures, even if they are not rooted. They are faster on creep than uncharged zealots.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
March 02 2015 11:14 GMT
#408
Oh goddamnit I picked Yonghwa in my anti again. He destroyed me last round, hopefully not this round. D:
Hello
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
March 02 2015 11:15 GMT
#409
On March 02 2015 20:13 Flonomenalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 20:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can't believe HerO lost this game after a forge opening vs a 10 pool.

10 pool vs forge first doesn't put you THAT far behind really if you only make the initial 6 lings and expand immediately after. HerO's initial screw up was not blocking the expansion, because Curious didn't send even one ling to handle the probe in his base, which I was really confused about. HerO even made a cannon just to be safe for whatever reason, making the economic deficit even closer.

Then he gave Zerg econ enough time to stabilize on 3 base before his first poke with the Voids+oracles, and STILL would have done lots of damage to Curious if he had not lost a Void Ray for practically nothing.

Really sloppy play from HerO. Good concepts, but sloppy, sloppy play.

He also had to make extralings to avoid getting cannoned.
Think biggest issue was just being fancy with his strats rather then just doing a fast nexus into 10 gate blink.
Don't think Curious could have done a lot vs that, Even tho the map is fairly open.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 11:17:00
March 02 2015 11:16 GMT
#410
On March 02 2015 20:13 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 20:12 boxerfred wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:09 HellHound wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:08 boxerfred wrote:
If the final clash between the armies consists of both players a moving, something is terribly wrong with the game.

That was a silver league game so both players A moving was what you would expect.

I don't think that with clumsy units such as the tempest, the void ray and the corruptor there would have been any micro involved that could not have been executed by a plat or diamond player. It's simply boring to see such fights.

I am not disagreeing or anything just trashing that game :D

Well, I don't know exactly why but over the years here on TL I really overcame my anger towards balance issues, boring playstyles and similar things. I am no longer weeping in anger, but instead feeling bored and passionless whenever a game tends to go in such a direction. It's the action packed, micro intensive, fast paced games that often evolve out of ZvT and TvT (and ZvZ sometimes) StarCraft that get me fired up. The concept of Protoss as a whole stands in the way of me enjoying the game to its full extent . I needed a while to realize that.
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
March 02 2015 11:16 GMT
#411
On March 02 2015 20:13 pure.Wasted wrote:
Is this the Korean version of All About That Bass? It vaguely sounds like it, and also Wolf said he likes this song and I peg Wolf for a guy who'd love Meghan Trainor.

What?

The songname translates into "I'm the best". It's one of the most famous Kpop songs 116 mil views.



and it's been out way before All about the bass.

Favorite players: Gh and Zai
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
March 02 2015 11:18 GMT
#412
On March 02 2015 20:11 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 20:10 Tuczniak wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:08 SC2Toastie wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:08 Inflicted wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:06 Fortuna.424 wrote:
I dont get why no one builds carriers instead of Tempests.


Fungals makes interceptors useless I guess

Spore and Fungal ye
Plus carriers can't really protect themselves against viper pulls. Mass tempest will kill something, carriers just get pulled and die.

If you don't plan on microing Carriers are quite better than the Tempests though. Would have helped Hero a lot this game.
Carriers are only good in some timing attack when zerg isn't setup in lategame properly. Once all things are in place they are waste of money. I don't think Hero could have gone them this game.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 02 2015 11:18 GMT
#413
i think people undervalue carriers greatly. Mass carrier/voidray would have won that game imo.
Tempest are just bad, the last time tempest won against this zerg style was probably zest vs life.
I think Hero had enough time (and stargates) to do it.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
March 02 2015 11:18 GMT
#414
On March 02 2015 20:08 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 20:06 Pandemona wrote:
Doesn't he only need to kill the extractors to win? SC/Spores arent structures?


They are structures, which means zerg can't lose lategame basetrades if they have sh's


swarmhosts are not very good in killing tempests
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
March 02 2015 11:19 GMT
#415
On March 02 2015 20:16 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 20:13 HellHound wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:12 boxerfred wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:09 HellHound wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:08 boxerfred wrote:
If the final clash between the armies consists of both players a moving, something is terribly wrong with the game.

That was a silver league game so both players A moving was what you would expect.

I don't think that with clumsy units such as the tempest, the void ray and the corruptor there would have been any micro involved that could not have been executed by a plat or diamond player. It's simply boring to see such fights.

I am not disagreeing or anything just trashing that game :D

Well, I don't know exactly why but over the years here on TL I really overcame my anger towards balance issues, boring playstyles and similar things. I am no longer weeping in anger, but instead feeling bored and passionless whenever a game tends to go in such a direction. It's the action packed, micro intensive, fast paced games that often evolve out of ZvT and TvT (and ZvZ sometimes) StarCraft that get me fired up. The concept of Protoss as a whole stands in the way of me enjoying the game to its full extent . I needed a while to realize that.

I quite enjoy SH games if the level is high enough, I guess I am just very patient :D
But both players need to know what the fuck they are doing, else it's just stupid so I just joke around on LR thread instead.
Want to see a Zest vs Snute bo5 tbh.
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
March 02 2015 11:20 GMT
#416
come on san, i need you to make sure yonghwa does not win.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 02 2015 11:20 GMT
#417
nail in the coffin
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hborrgg
Profile Joined February 2015
United States888 Posts
March 02 2015 11:21 GMT
#418
Come on San, the last game went on too long and I'm going to fall asleep soon. I need you to end this match!
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 02 2015 11:22 GMT
#419
On March 02 2015 20:16 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 20:13 HellHound wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:12 boxerfred wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:09 HellHound wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:08 boxerfred wrote:
If the final clash between the armies consists of both players a moving, something is terribly wrong with the game.

That was a silver league game so both players A moving was what you would expect.

I don't think that with clumsy units such as the tempest, the void ray and the corruptor there would have been any micro involved that could not have been executed by a plat or diamond player. It's simply boring to see such fights.

I am not disagreeing or anything just trashing that game :D

Well, I don't know exactly why but over the years here on TL I really overcame my anger towards balance issues, boring playstyles and similar things. I am no longer weeping in anger, but instead feeling bored and passionless whenever a game tends to go in such a direction. It's the action packed, micro intensive, fast paced games that often evolve out of ZvT and TvT (and ZvZ sometimes) StarCraft that get me fired up. The concept of Protoss as a whole stands in the way of me enjoying the game to its full extent . I needed a while to realize that.

Yeah i feel the same tbh.
Imo PvP is the best matchup involving protoss :D
TvP could be great too, IF templar openings would still be a thing.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 02 2015 11:22 GMT
#420
On March 02 2015 20:18 Tuczniak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2015 20:11 Big J wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:10 Tuczniak wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:08 SC2Toastie wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:08 Inflicted wrote:
On March 02 2015 20:06 Fortuna.424 wrote:
I dont get why no one builds carriers instead of Tempests.


Fungals makes interceptors useless I guess

Spore and Fungal ye
Plus carriers can't really protect themselves against viper pulls. Mass tempest will kill something, carriers just get pulled and die.

If you don't plan on microing Carriers are quite better than the Tempests though. Would have helped Hero a lot this game.
Carriers are only good in some timing attack

hahaha "timing attack" "carriers"
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