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On February 27 2015 23:55 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 23:50 Xoronius wrote:On February 27 2015 23:44 Penev wrote:On February 27 2015 23:42 Xoronius wrote:On February 27 2015 23:39 Penev wrote:On February 27 2015 23:36 Xoronius wrote:On February 27 2015 23:34 Penev wrote:On February 27 2015 23:32 opterown wrote:On February 27 2015 23:20 Penev wrote:On February 27 2015 23:17 Zealously wrote:
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If you think he isn't following the LR perhaps you should PM him instead of posting in the exact thread he isn't following Good point but the venting felt good To be fair even if we follow the LR your clarification is on the next page and it's quite easy to miss. Maybe you should just avoid posting things that are easily misconstrued in the first place and/or edit the actual post rather than follow up on the next page. It would be nice to pay some more respect to staff who don't have the easiest job :D I'm just saying Shellshock for instance would've immediately understood that it wasn't balance whining. I think the modding should be left to people who are actually in the thread Edit: I'm a bit salty because it's not the first time and it's always Kadaver.. You guys all have my highest respect (yes, even Kadaver)! I'm not a mod, but if I would have to take an eduacated guess, you probably were warned for using a meme, not for balance whining. Hmm, don't think so. "Ded gaem" is used all the time and is never modded. Would be REALLY inconsistent if it were now They don't mod "ded gaem"? Ok, that is probably the reason, why I'm not a mod, the forum would be empty within 3 weeks. Well, not if it's used sarcastically Hmm, again, that is the reason, I'm not a mod. If I ever get a job on TL, I'd probably just perm ban the first 20 people, who use "rekted" and get stripped of my authorities again. Haha, I guess with this and the tournament format discussion we can conclude we're quite different people
But despite on disagreeing on basically everything, I'd say that we get along quite well.
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MMA vs Life finals....blizzcon rematch!
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On February 28 2015 00:01 Shellshock wrote:
I still don't understand why innovation got to make that last move in the group selection
On February 05 2015 01:10 Fuell wrote:
Honestly I think INnoVation switched PartinG and Solar around to get rid of Maru. In my opinion, Maru is the only real threat to Inno, his TvT is his weakest mu and in the past Maru has bopped Inno before (OSL). Looking at recent results PartinG is pretty solid versus Maru and is so a good pick to eliminate him.
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On February 28 2015 00:04 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 00:02 Elentos wrote:On February 27 2015 23:58 sharkie wrote:On February 27 2015 23:49 OtherWorld wrote:On February 27 2015 23:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 27 2015 21:43 OtherWorld wrote:On February 27 2015 21:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 27 2015 21:38 Big J wrote:On February 27 2015 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 27 2015 21:35 sharkie wrote:
btw herO > Rain in every possible way
herO most consistent protoss of the last two years! If only he could PvP at a good level. If only his brain wouldn't default into flipping coins so often when he has like the best macro game of all Protoss. He doesn't in PvP. herO is not the best PvPer when it becomes a macro game? What? Just got back to this. He is not and he is nowhere near that. herO makes basic decisionmaking mistakes in pvp macro games that the best PvPers wouldn't make. Hmm who are the best macro PvPers then? (legit question, I suck at PvP analysis/knowledge) only Zest. DLO will prolly say Rain but he has no idea sOs and recently Creator are also up there. On February 28 2015 00:01 Shellshock wrote:
I still don't understand why innovation got to make that last move in the group selection Because he was the highest seeded player. but it's a ridiculous advantage that they introduced which was never in a previous season. As the highest seeded player he already got to pick the easiest player to face first.
Listen, you know the rules, and so do I, but that doesn't mean they make sense or are good rules.
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On February 28 2015 00:07 Fuell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 00:01 Shellshock wrote:
I still don't understand why innovation got to make that last move in the group selection Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 01:10 Fuell wrote:
Honestly I think INnoVation switched PartinG and Solar around to get rid of Maru. In my opinion, Maru is the only real threat to Inno, his TvT is his weakest mu and in the past Maru has bopped Inno before (OSL). Looking at recent results PartinG is pretty solid versus Maru and is so a good pick to eliminate him.
Your theory might be valid, but I don't think, that Maru was the only thread. Not after I saw MMA vs Inno in the group stage.
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On February 28 2015 00:08 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 00:07 Fuell wrote:On February 28 2015 00:01 Shellshock wrote:
I still don't understand why innovation got to make that last move in the group selection On February 05 2015 01:10 Fuell wrote:
Honestly I think INnoVation switched PartinG and Solar around to get rid of Maru. In my opinion, Maru is the only real threat to Inno, his TvT is his weakest mu and in the past Maru has bopped Inno before (OSL). Looking at recent results PartinG is pretty solid versus Maru and is so a good pick to eliminate him. Your theory might be valid, but I don't think, that Maru was the only thread. Not after I saw MMA vs Inno in the group stage.
Well that series was after the group selection, so inno couldnt have known of MMA's threat.
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On February 28 2015 00:10 Fuell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 00:08 Xoronius wrote:On February 28 2015 00:07 Fuell wrote:On February 28 2015 00:01 Shellshock wrote:
I still don't understand why innovation got to make that last move in the group selection On February 05 2015 01:10 Fuell wrote:
Honestly I think INnoVation switched PartinG and Solar around to get rid of Maru. In my opinion, Maru is the only real threat to Inno, his TvT is his weakest mu and in the past Maru has bopped Inno before (OSL). Looking at recent results PartinG is pretty solid versus Maru and is so a good pick to eliminate him. Your theory might be valid, but I don't think, that Maru was the only thread. Not after I saw MMA vs Inno in the group stage. Well that series was after the group selection, so inno couldnt have known of MMA's threat.
That is also true.
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Am I the only one who thinks that INno just went full troll mode in order to create a group of death, without trying to eliminate specific players?
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On February 28 2015 00:06 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 23:55 Penev wrote:On February 27 2015 23:50 Xoronius wrote:On February 27 2015 23:44 Penev wrote:On February 27 2015 23:42 Xoronius wrote:On February 27 2015 23:39 Penev wrote:On February 27 2015 23:36 Xoronius wrote:On February 27 2015 23:34 Penev wrote:On February 27 2015 23:32 opterown wrote:On February 27 2015 23:20 Penev wrote:
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Good point but the venting felt good To be fair even if we follow the LR your clarification is on the next page and it's quite easy to miss. Maybe you should just avoid posting things that are easily misconstrued in the first place and/or edit the actual post rather than follow up on the next page. It would be nice to pay some more respect to staff who don't have the easiest job :D I'm just saying Shellshock for instance would've immediately understood that it wasn't balance whining. I think the modding should be left to people who are actually in the thread Edit: I'm a bit salty because it's not the first time and it's always Kadaver.. You guys all have my highest respect (yes, even Kadaver)! I'm not a mod, but if I would have to take an eduacated guess, you probably were warned for using a meme, not for balance whining. Hmm, don't think so. "Ded gaem" is used all the time and is never modded. Would be REALLY inconsistent if it were now They don't mod "ded gaem"? Ok, that is probably the reason, why I'm not a mod, the forum would be empty within 3 weeks. Well, not if it's used sarcastically Hmm, again, that is the reason, I'm not a mod. If I ever get a job on TL, I'd probably just perm ban the first 20 people, who use "rekted" and get stripped of my authorities again. Haha, I guess with this and the tournament format discussion we can conclude we're quite different people But despite on disagreeing on basically everything, I'd say that we get along quite well.
This is something we can agree on.
- waiting for someone to post "get a room you two" -
Edit: Kadaver removed the warning btw; Turned out he accidentally warned the wrong quote..
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On February 28 2015 00:12 OtherWorld wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that INno just went full troll mode in order to create a group of death, without trying to eliminate specific players?
he doesnt strike me as that kind of guy
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That's not what Shellshock asked, you know. At any rate, Inno's reasoning at the time was probably that he'd throw a huge obstacle at the annoyances Maru and herO in the form of PartinG aswell as increasing the chances of Dream to advance by adding a much weaker player in Solar. Apparently SKT failed at predicting the future though.
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Always good to see old prime players lose 
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On February 27 2015 23:51 Rollora wrote:
I've seen so many players that win a tournament, and get kicked out of the next one (sometimes by a foreigner or really mediocre player) just because... well cheese, allins or whatever. This shouldn't be possible.
My BW memories could be tricked by nostalgia though. I just thought someone who was dominating as Flash and Jaedong isn't there in SC2 and will never be - because of the game design.
Once there was a discussion in this forum about how this kind of thing only happened in sc2, not in bw
Then someone compiled a list of OSL/MSL champions/runner-ups in brood war, with their respective performances in the next starleague.
More oftenly than not the champions were losing to ridiculous players that they should be winning against, and losing very early in the tournament
I wish I knew how to find such posts
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If herO's ever going to win a GSL it's going to be this one. He's completely capable of beating Life in a Bo7 and really only needs to not get Parting in the finals. If it's herO vs MMA or Solar then herO has this.
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Nah Inno knew exactly what he was doing, switched Parting to Solar. Maru repeatedly said he wants zerg in the group selection. When Hero and MC joins group D, even better reasoning for the switch for the crazy PvP.
3 strong players in group D, to snipe any of them is good enough.
But again, Maru certainly played poorly compared to his performance at IEM. He just look so rushed and impatient. Staying on 2 bases mostly. His coach needs to advice him to mix his build/play. Drops harrass, greedy macro, or even pull the boys timing on 3 bases just like Innovation did. That'll fix his TvP problem.
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On February 28 2015 00:53 Ace Frehley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 23:51 Rollora wrote:
I've seen so many players that win a tournament, and get kicked out of the next one (sometimes by a foreigner or really mediocre player) just because... well cheese, allins or whatever. This shouldn't be possible.
My BW memories could be tricked by nostalgia though. I just thought someone who was dominating as Flash and Jaedong isn't there in SC2 and will never be - because of the game design.
Once there was a discussion in this forum about how this kind of thing only happened in sc2, not in bw Then someone compiled a list of OSL/MSL champions/runner-ups in brood war, with their respective performances in the next starleague. More oftenly than not the champions were losing to ridiculous players that they should be winning against, and losing very early in the tournament I wish I knew how to find such posts
Stuff like osl champion curse existed. But the very best players were generally not affected by it. Back to back finals appearances of at least 1 finalist happened more than a complete swap of top 2.
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On February 28 2015 01:23 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2015 00:53 Ace Frehley wrote:On February 27 2015 23:51 Rollora wrote:
I've seen so many players that win a tournament, and get kicked out of the next one (sometimes by a foreigner or really mediocre player) just because... well cheese, allins or whatever. This shouldn't be possible.
My BW memories could be tricked by nostalgia though. I just thought someone who was dominating as Flash and Jaedong isn't there in SC2 and will never be - because of the game design.
Once there was a discussion in this forum about how this kind of thing only happened in sc2, not in bw Then someone compiled a list of OSL/MSL champions/runner-ups in brood war, with their respective performances in the next starleague. More oftenly than not the champions were losing to ridiculous players that they should be winning against, and losing very early in the tournament I wish I knew how to find such posts Stuff like osl champion curse existed. But the very best players were generally not affected by it. Back to back finals appearances of at least 1 finalist happened more than a complete swap of top 2.
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Maru's wins were really entertaining, some people may find it a disgusting style but it's a very fun one to watch. I'm disappointed he got eliminated by PartinG this way, but like PartinG said in his interview he's quite predictable and his scouting patterns are very easy to abuse so I guess he got what he deserved and learns from those harsh losses. I hope PartinG gets mauled in playoffs though, the guy is nice but the player embodies everything I hate about my own race.
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On February 27 2015 23:58 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2015 23:49 OtherWorld wrote:On February 27 2015 23:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 27 2015 21:43 OtherWorld wrote:On February 27 2015 21:40 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 27 2015 21:38 Big J wrote:On February 27 2015 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On February 27 2015 21:35 sharkie wrote:
btw herO > Rain in every possible way
herO most consistent protoss of the last two years! If only he could PvP at a good level. If only his brain wouldn't default into flipping coins so often when he has like the best macro game of all Protoss. He doesn't in PvP. herO is not the best PvPer when it becomes a macro game? What? Just got back to this. He is not and he is nowhere near that. herO makes basic decisionmaking mistakes in pvp macro games that the best PvPers wouldn't make. Hmm who are the best macro PvPers then? (legit question, I suck at PvP analysis/knowledge) only Zest. DLO will prolly say Rain but he has no idea
Zest, Rain, sOs, Parting and possibly Creator (?) are all ahead of herO in a straight up macro PvP. Depending on their shape, San and Classic as well.
herO makes mistakes in macro PvP that make absolutely no sense. The game vs Dear in PL for example showcased how incoherent his decisionmaking was quite perfectly.
+ Show Spoiler +He got ahead off the openings, was set up to be ahead with 4 gas and a higher probe count as well as better tech and a faster natural nexus + forcing his opponent to invest into 1-2 immortals due to having a couple blink stalkers on the map, then he invested a ton in a mass blink attack that did absolutely nothing because his economy and production wasn't set up for that kind of attack (he was instead set up to tech faster than his opponent - which also means he can take an earlier third - and be ahead), then he realized how much he screwed himself and went proxy storm drop to try and catch up. It killed 17 probes and herO still died a horrible, not even close death. Give that lead to any of the above and they run with it and win the game. Also look at all his recent PvP throws and you'll understand why I can't rate herO as a good PvPer past the early game builds. He's way too inconsistent and sometimes just makes horrible decisions.
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