EPT[IEM Season IX] Taipei - Day 5 - Page 104
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Emerson_H
United States460 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
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Grizvok
United States711 Posts
On February 02 2015 03:41 Zealously wrote: All fair points, but I said "the" best player in the world, of which there can be only one. I don't think Maru is better than Life (especially given that Life won the series in the end, which is a rather objective measure), hence my statement. I wouldn't go as far as to rank Terrans above one another. You might want to consider that everything I said in the first place was strictly my own opinions. I said I think Maru played above his level, to which the reply was "No lol he didn't". My statement was an opinion, but the reply was hardly a masterclass in rhetoric  I didn't really need to use logic. If we are talking "objective" then Maru played as he played, right? Was there some outside force controlling Maru's actions during this entire series...nay the entire tournament? No. There wasn't. He played at the level he's been capable of playing at for a long time and a level he has achieved many times. You just aren't as educated on the specific player is more likely than some outside force making Maru play at some inconceivable level to the player he actually is as you are apparently suggesting. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On February 02 2015 07:51 Zealously wrote: "Playing above one's level" is hardly a strange or completely new concept. It implies that the player in question played at a level that s/he can not or will not sustain and is above what the player can typically reach. I don't know what argument you're making, but I think Maru is currently riding a tide that will subside much sooner than Life's. Huh. You really think so? Like, I'm not arguing with you, but Maru looked absolutely amazing for most of 2014, IMO. I expected him to slump for a bit longer than he has because of burnout or wrists, but like... I think he's played basically at or maybe *slightly* below this level for most of the last year. His results didn't look world-destroying on paper, and yes, he did disappoint on a number of occasions. but at the same time he was often brought up in discussions of "best terran in the world right now". Also, this is a totally subjective assessment on my part, but I also think he has another "level up" in him. Not trying to be argumentative, you may be right and I may be wrong, but I'm surprised by this assessment. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On February 02 2015 07:51 Zealously wrote: "Playing above one's level" is hardly a strange or completely new concept. It implies that the player in question played at a level that s/he can not or will not sustain and is above what the player can typically reach. I don't know what argument you're making, but I think Maru is currently riding a tide that will subside much sooner than Life's. The problem is that you overvalue life and therefore think that maru played better than he usually does. Pretty much all there is to it tbh. | ||
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necrosexy
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ukiya2004
199 Posts
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b0ub0u
Canada445 Posts
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
On February 02 2015 10:24 b0ub0u wrote: People arguing on who's best? Guys it's a sport. Someone has to win. They both played great. They are both great players. Thank you for peacefully mediating as a true Canadian spirit would. PS I agree. | ||
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
On February 02 2015 10:24 b0ub0u wrote: People arguing on who's best? Guys it's a sport. Someone has to win. They both played great. They are both great players. I could watch these two play a best of 101 and not get bored. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On February 02 2015 08:06 Zealously wrote: I think Maru's biggest problem is wild inconsistency. For every series like the one vs Life, there is also a series like the one vs Parting. You can never know how long one of his streaks will last, and some times they will even be cut short mid-tournament. This time, he for the most part kept it together for an entire tournament. That, mostly, is what I think he can't pull off with any great frequency. Yeah, agreed, consistency has been an issue for him. I guess at least when Life wasn't doing his best, it was consistently so. I think a good part of Maru's issue is that he's used to winning largely on superior micro. This comes up against Parting in particular because Parting's a player you can't beat on superior micro, even if you're Maru. It reminds me a bit of younger chess players who rely on tactical play: when your opponent is good, they understand tactical play also and you won't win unless tactics are in the service of superior overall strategic and positional play. I think this is where Maru can still improve in a way that shows against Parting especially. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how he does in GSL/NSSL this season. Maybe he has it in him at the moment, maybe not. | ||
Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On February 02 2015 08:06 Zealously wrote: I think Maru's biggest problem is wild inconsistency. For every series like the one vs Life, there is also a series like the one vs Parting. You can never know how long one of his streaks will last, and some times they will even be cut short mid-tournament. This time, he for the most part kept it together for an entire tournament. That, mostly, is what I think he can't pull off with any great frequency. While I agree with the sentiment, I'll pop in to say that his set vs PartinG is a fairly meh example - PartinG's a player who has always had his number. A series such as vs Hack in GSL would fit better as an example, It hink. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
Did anyone notice that Life rarely picks off buildings and goes for Drones instead? I think going for buildings like Baneling Nest or Spawning Pool would be better? On February 02 2015 08:06 Zealously wrote: I think Maru's biggest problem is wild inconsistency. For every series like the one vs Life, there is also a series like the one vs Parting. You can never know how long one of his streaks will last, and some times they will even be cut short mid-tournament. This time, he for the most part kept it together for an entire tournament. That, mostly, is what I think he can't pull off with any great frequency. Maru is a TvZ expert. Not TvP if I remember correctly? | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On February 02 2015 08:06 Zealously wrote: I think Maru's biggest problem is wild inconsistency. For every series like the one vs Life, there is also a series like the one vs Parting. You can never know how long one of his streaks will last, and some times they will even be cut short mid-tournament. This time, he for the most part kept it together for an entire tournament. That, mostly, is what I think he can't pull off with any great frequency. I mean he was very consistent in not walling off properly :p | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On February 02 2015 14:17 geokilla wrote: Going to finish watching the finals tomorrow but damn if Game 1 went better for Maru we would have had a Terran champion. I think a huge reason Life lost Game 2, 3, and 4 is because of the map pool though. Those maps are not good to awful for Zerg. Did anyone notice that Life rarely picks off buildings and goes for Drones instead? I think going for buildings like Baneling Nest or Spawning Pool would be better? Maru is a TvZ expert. Not TvP if I remember correctly? TvZ might be his best matchup, but he stayed in the GSL more than any other terran last year mostly because he could hack it in TvP when nobody else could... | ||
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
Found some really nice ones, but no idea how to find them... Greetings | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 02 2015 08:06 Zealously wrote: I think Maru's biggest problem is wild inconsistency. For every series like the one vs Life, there is also a series like the one vs Parting. You can never know how long one of his streaks will last, and some times they will even be cut short mid-tournament. This time, he for the most part kept it together for an entire tournament. That, mostly, is what I think he can't pull off with any great frequency. ? We're still talking about someone who reached GSL playoffs 4 times in a row and ended up being #1 in 2014 Proleague if playoffs matches are factored in. Life was much more inconsistent in GSL/Korea (he was even briefly Code B) than Maru. The rest is clouded by unequal traveling opportunities. | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On February 02 2015 06:47 Emerson_H wrote: Lifuuuu just too strong. 3 hrs of sleep and hungover? What a boss. Channeled inner Stephano. | ||
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