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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 07 2015 11:59 GMT
#661
On January 07 2015 20:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:52 Sakkreth wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
damn the realization that MC is in the next round and either Rogue or Fantasy won't be just hit me hard...
Such a waste -.-


Told you he was gonna get out :p

Yeah i didn't respect the power of protoss enough i guess.
Still the better players won't advance now..
Perfect example why gsl style groups are inferior to round robin


MC best player in the group, stay Salty.

No he is not, that's more than absurd.
He just got lucky with penguin as first match

If he got lucky with Penguin, and then beat Fantasy, who beat a terrible-form Rogue, how can MC not be the best player in the group?

Are you saying that Rogue is the best player in the group?
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Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3821 Posts
January 07 2015 11:59 GMT
#662
On January 07 2015 20:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:52 Sakkreth wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
damn the realization that MC is in the next round and either Rogue or Fantasy won't be just hit me hard...
Such a waste -.-


Told you he was gonna get out :p

Yeah i didn't respect the power of protoss enough i guess.
Still the better players won't advance now..
Perfect example why gsl style groups are inferior to round robin


MC best player in the group, stay Salty.

No he is not, that's more than absurd.
He just got lucky with penguin as first match

Not saying he is or isn't the best player in the group, but you can only play the player in front of you and MC was clearly better than penguin and fantasy tonight... That's not really arguable.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 07 2015 11:59 GMT
#663
On January 07 2015 20:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
I'm surprised Fantasy beat Rogue, even with the current meta. I wonder if he'll be able to do it again (assuming Rogue wins, I guess ZvZ is still pretty knife-fightey).


I think so. Fantasy has been getting into form lately and TvZ always seemed like his best matchup.

He even beat Life not too long ago.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 07 2015 12:00 GMT
#664
On January 07 2015 20:59 Ctesias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:52 Sakkreth wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
damn the realization that MC is in the next round and either Rogue or Fantasy won't be just hit me hard...
Such a waste -.-


Told you he was gonna get out :p

Yeah i didn't respect the power of protoss enough i guess.
Still the better players won't advance now..
Perfect example why gsl style groups are inferior to round robin


MC best player in the group, stay Salty.

No he is not, that's more than absurd.
He just got lucky with penguin as first match

If he got lucky with Penguin, and then beat Fantasy, who beat a terrible-form Rogue, how can MC not be the best player in the group?

Are you saying that Rogue is the best player in the group?

In terms of "pure skill," probably.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 07 2015 12:00 GMT
#665
Think MC has convinced me to have a cheese and ham panini for lunch :3
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 07 2015 12:00 GMT
#666
On January 07 2015 20:58 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:56 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:54 TheOne26 wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:52 phagga wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 maartendq wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:45 KoRStarvid wrote:
It can't be stated enough: MC killer instinct is real

Not really. Just MC doing the only thing he is good at: all-ins and cheese. The guy pretty much built his entire career around that playstyle.

No, really, that's killer instinct. He realized Fantasy was not preparing for an actual attack, only for an oracle.

Every pro player would take this chance to attack if they see it. But most don't and that's what sets MC apart from so many other players.


yea no. MC was gonna all-in all along it wasn't reactionary. stop reading so much into it.

Deciding to all-in is one thing. Making the all-in work is another, and the realization requires killer instinct.


I'm not sure if you're serious or sarcastic.

If you think I'm being sarcastic, explain why there are way more players who achieved a legendary status in SC2 by having mostly a macro-oriented style than players who achieved it by being mostly cheesy like MC
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
January 07 2015 12:00 GMT
#667
On January 07 2015 20:58 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:56 maartendq wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:52 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 maartendq wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:45 KoRStarvid wrote:
It can't be stated enough: MC killer instinct is real

Not really. Just MC doing the only thing he is good at: all-ins and cheese. The guy pretty much built his entire career around that playstyle.

If every cheesy player was as successful as MC, do you think he would be as well-known as he is?

There isn't a single person who is as cheesy as MC, not on this level. It's his main strength actually: you never know what he is going to do. He is completely unpredictable.

The reason I don't like his playstyle much is because I prefer macro-oriented games with lots of multitasking and action all over the map.

Well yeah you can dislike his playstyle. But the way he plays his all-ins and cheeses is killer-instinct. That's why he won so much by cheesing so much (and with such an impressive consistency).

It also helps that Protoss cheese has a large chance of winning even when it gets scouted relatively early. The whole protoss race seems to be built around early-game (immortal) timings and all-ins, or late-game deathballs that are extremely hard to beat.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 12:01:42
January 07 2015 12:00 GMT
#668
On January 07 2015 20:59 Ctesias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:52 Sakkreth wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
damn the realization that MC is in the next round and either Rogue or Fantasy won't be just hit me hard...
Such a waste -.-


Told you he was gonna get out :p

Yeah i didn't respect the power of protoss enough i guess.
Still the better players won't advance now..
Perfect example why gsl style groups are inferior to round robin


MC best player in the group, stay Salty.

No he is not, that's more than absurd.
He just got lucky with penguin as first match

If he got lucky with Penguin, and then beat Fantasy, who beat a terrible-form Rogue, how can MC not be the best player in the group?

Are you saying that Rogue is the best player in the group?

Rouge is the best player in the group though.

Edit: or MC. Not sure how good he really is, hard to tell right now.
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2240 Posts
January 07 2015 12:01 GMT
#669
i think rogue's gonna get out in 2nd place but i would only really be surprised if penguin got out.
Even if he wins a map here i guess.
Cogito, ergo Toss
dazed25
Profile Joined August 2014
3566 Posts
January 07 2015 12:01 GMT
#670
On January 07 2015 20:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:52 Sakkreth wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
damn the realization that MC is in the next round and either Rogue or Fantasy won't be just hit me hard...
Such a waste -.-


Told you he was gonna get out :p

Yeah i didn't respect the power of protoss enough i guess.
Still the better players won't advance now..
Perfect example why gsl style groups are inferior to round robin


MC best player in the group, stay Salty.

No he is not, that's more than absurd.
He just got lucky with penguin as first match


The other players might have had better macro/micro or a better playstyle, but on this day MC was the best player in the group. There aren't that many players with both the intelligence and balls to play like he does. It wasn't just luck. MC is still pretty relevant in SC2 in 2015 and you can just look at his close series with herO recently for how good he is. His strength isn't his micro/macro but as others have said his killer instinct.
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SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2240 Posts
January 07 2015 12:02 GMT
#671
On January 07 2015 21:00 Pandemona wrote:
Think MC has convinced me to have a cheese and ham panini for lunch :3


You eat lunch right at 12:00? i thought that only happens in fairytales, i rarely manage to eat anything until at least 2 pm
Cogito, ergo Toss
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
January 07 2015 12:02 GMT
#672
I really don't understand why macro games are the pure measure of how skilled a player is. Just because MC jumps on advantages in an aggressive way instead of an "I'm going to expand since I just killed his big army!" way doesn't make him less skilled.
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Severen
Profile Joined May 2014
Australia10 Posts
January 07 2015 12:02 GMT
#673
On January 07 2015 20:58 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:52 phagga wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 maartendq wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:45 KoRStarvid wrote:
It can't be stated enough: MC killer instinct is real

Not really. Just MC doing the only thing he is good at: all-ins and cheese. The guy pretty much built his entire career around that playstyle.

No, really, that's killer instinct. He realized Fantasy was not preparing for an actual attack, only for an oracle.

Every pro player would take this chance to attack if they see it. But most don't and that's what sets MC apart from so many other players.


As much as i like MC i think he just blindly all-inned there without really knowing what kind of preparation fantasy took. I mean he never really scouted after his stargate got scouted so he didnt really know how much fantasy committed to defense and just went for it.


agreed. people are over thinking it. MC just stuck to his plan from the start regardless of what happened in game and came out on top. thats fair enough but it is not killer instinct lol.
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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 12:03:49
January 07 2015 12:03 GMT
#674
Why there was not this much salt when MC protossed Penquin!?!?!
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
January 07 2015 12:03 GMT
#675
On January 07 2015 21:00 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:59 Ctesias wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:52 Sakkreth wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
damn the realization that MC is in the next round and either Rogue or Fantasy won't be just hit me hard...
Such a waste -.-


Told you he was gonna get out :p

Yeah i didn't respect the power of protoss enough i guess.
Still the better players won't advance now..
Perfect example why gsl style groups are inferior to round robin


MC best player in the group, stay Salty.

No he is not, that's more than absurd.
He just got lucky with penguin as first match

If he got lucky with Penguin, and then beat Fantasy, who beat a terrible-form Rogue, how can MC not be the best player in the group?

Are you saying that Rogue is the best player in the group?

Rouge is the best player in the group though.

Edit: or MC. Not sure how good he really is, hard to tell right now.


Rouge=makeup :D

And I agree he's the best in the group, but imo it's no big upset that either Fantasy or MC would beat him.
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Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
January 07 2015 12:03 GMT
#676
On January 07 2015 21:00 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:58 Tobblish wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:56 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:54 TheOne26 wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:52 phagga wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 maartendq wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:45 KoRStarvid wrote:
It can't be stated enough: MC killer instinct is real

Not really. Just MC doing the only thing he is good at: all-ins and cheese. The guy pretty much built his entire career around that playstyle.

No, really, that's killer instinct. He realized Fantasy was not preparing for an actual attack, only for an oracle.

Every pro player would take this chance to attack if they see it. But most don't and that's what sets MC apart from so many other players.


yea no. MC was gonna all-in all along it wasn't reactionary. stop reading so much into it.

Deciding to all-in is one thing. Making the all-in work is another, and the realization requires killer instinct.


I'm not sure if you're serious or sarcastic.

If you think I'm being sarcastic, explain why there are way more players who achieved a legendary status in SC2 by having mostly a macro-oriented style than players who achieved it by being mostly cheesy like MC


If you honestly think that a player who follows up his allin with more units when he spots that a Terran's bunker is late makes you have killer instinct I'm lost for words.
The curse is real
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3821 Posts
January 07 2015 12:03 GMT
#677
On January 07 2015 20:58 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:52 Sakkreth wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
damn the realization that MC is in the next round and either Rogue or Fantasy won't be just hit me hard...
Such a waste -.-


Told you he was gonna get out :p

Yeah i didn't respect the power of protoss enough i guess.
Still the better players won't advance now..
Perfect example why gsl style groups are inferior to round robin


MC best player in the group, stay Salty.

No he is not, that's more than absurd.
He just got lucky with penguin as first match

There can be some debate about him, but this is getting ridicolous. You don't quadruple Fantasy's bw earnings by being lucky and MC did that. He is the best RTS player in that group and by far the best SC2 player.

You can't fairly compare Fanta's prize money to MC's. They've each been dominant in different games with different histories. And ignoring Fantasy's performances in incredibly stacked BW tournaments and blindly declaring MC the better RTS player is rubbish.

He was the better player tonight. That's about all that can be said.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
January 07 2015 12:03 GMT
#678
SHIT, I missed the maps. KSS first, I heard them mention Foxtrot, did anyone catch it?
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
January 07 2015 12:04 GMT
#679
On January 07 2015 21:02 Severen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 20:58 SharkStarcraft wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:52 phagga wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:50 maartendq wrote:
On January 07 2015 20:45 KoRStarvid wrote:
It can't be stated enough: MC killer instinct is real

Not really. Just MC doing the only thing he is good at: all-ins and cheese. The guy pretty much built his entire career around that playstyle.

No, really, that's killer instinct. He realized Fantasy was not preparing for an actual attack, only for an oracle.

Every pro player would take this chance to attack if they see it. But most don't and that's what sets MC apart from so many other players.


As much as i like MC i think he just blindly all-inned there without really knowing what kind of preparation fantasy took. I mean he never really scouted after his stargate got scouted so he didnt really know how much fantasy committed to defense and just went for it.


agreed. people are over thinking it. MC just stuck to his plan from the start regardless of what happened in game and came out on top. thats fair enough but it is not killer instinct lol.


It's only killer instinct when MVP proxies 2 rax in game 7.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 07 2015 12:04 GMT
#680
On January 07 2015 21:02 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 21:00 Pandemona wrote:
Think MC has convinced me to have a cheese and ham panini for lunch :3


You eat lunch right at 12:00? i thought that only happens in fairytales, i rarely manage to eat anything until at least 2 pm


Haha i meant i will go and get one. I won't be going out on my break until 45mins-1hour more yet. It not even a break i have to go and do the banking TT
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