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While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS, several time and logistics reasons mean WCS Season 1 will have to rely on a traditional WCS open qualifier, leaving the GPL integration for later seasons, with details announcing on a later date.
Registration of WCS Season 1 China qualifier starts on January 1st, 2015 and ends on January 4th, Chinese citizenship or viable visas (as regulated by the Blizzard WCS 2015 rules) are required. It will be a 256-man open qualifier, consisted of two stages:
Stage 1 (January 5th to 8th, not streamed): Round of 256 to Round of 16, single elimination;
Stage 2 (January 11th to 12th, streamed): Round of 16 to Round of 8, double elimination bracket.
WCS China Challenger:
January 14th, 4 Best of 5 single elimination matches
Top 4 finishers will represent China in WCS 2015 Season 1 Premier League, played offline at ESL's studios in Burbank, California, United States or Cologne, Germany.
Liquipedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_WCS_Season_1/Qualifier/China
English stream: http://www.twitch.tv/esportshtv
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I think the top 4 would only come out from the following 6 players: Jim, MacSed, Xigua, Toodming, XY, Top
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Any details on how people can go about registering for the open bracket?
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On December 31 2014 16:31 SECRETCOACH wrote:
Any details on how people can go about registering for the open bracket?
There will be a registration page, it is already published on major Chinese communities, I didn't include it because I assume it won't be useful for the vast majority of TL users.
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On December 31 2014 13:59 digmouse wrote:
While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS
WHY is this full WCS-structured league supposed to be a qualifier? Just make it officially WCS China already.
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On December 31 2014 17:10 klipik12 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 13:59 digmouse wrote:
While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS WHY is this full WCS-structured league supposed to be a qualifier? Just make it officially WCS China already.
I was thinking the exact same thing...
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On December 31 2014 17:11 WGT-Baal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 17:10 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 13:59 digmouse wrote:
While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS WHY is this full WCS-structured league supposed to be a qualifier? Just make it officially WCS China already. I was thinking the exact same thing...
It simply acts as a qualifier, the tournament itself still pretty much operates on its own.
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On December 31 2014 17:10 klipik12 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 13:59 digmouse wrote:
While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS WHY is this full WCS-structured league supposed to be a qualifier? Just make it officially WCS China already.
Wouldn't that take money away from Chinese players though? Why not just deal with it??
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iAsonu might not be competing. And I wouldn't count out some of the other high-placing competitors in Chinese events, like Mystery, Ein, Gemini, Shana, or maybe even Nuclear.
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On December 31 2014 14:54 tub74557 wrote:
I think the top 4 would only come out from the following 6 players: Jim, MacSed, Xigua, Toodming, XY, Top
That is a rather small sample. There are a number of other players who could make it to top 4.
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esportshaven will be providing a stream for this in English. I have no way to observe games on the CN server without causing lag to players.
On December 31 2014 20:41 NeThZOR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 14:54 tub74557 wrote:
I think the top 4 would only come out from the following 6 players: Jim, MacSed, Xigua, Toodming, XY, Top That is a rather small sample. There are a number of other players who could make it to top 4.
Courage, iAsonu, Xluos, Loner, EZRC...
Do I really need to continue that list?
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On December 31 2014 20:48 BreAKerTV wrote:esportshaven will be providing a stream for this in English. I have no way to observe games on the CN server without causing lag to players. Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 20:41 NeThZOR wrote:On December 31 2014 14:54 tub74557 wrote:
I think the top 4 would only come out from the following 6 players: Jim, MacSed, Xigua, Toodming, XY, Top That is a rather small sample. There are a number of other players who could make it to top 4. Courage, iAsonu, Xluos, Loner, EZRC... Do I really need to continue that list?
These players were all officially retired...
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On January 01 2015 00:03 Bistork wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 20:48 BreAKerTV wrote:esportshaven will be providing a stream for this in English. I have no way to observe games on the CN server without causing lag to players. On December 31 2014 20:41 NeThZOR wrote:On December 31 2014 14:54 tub74557 wrote:
I think the top 4 would only come out from the following 6 players: Jim, MacSed, Xigua, Toodming, XY, Top That is a rather small sample. There are a number of other players who could make it to top 4. Courage, iAsonu, Xluos, Loner, EZRC... Do I really need to continue that list? These players were all officially retired...
By the way, in fact, except Loner, many of other "officially retired" players can join in the match though they might lose Ein, Mystery, Nuclear and so on.
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iA's future is largely uncertain, Top and Courage are not actively playing Starcraft any more, they are playing Heroes atm, so consider them retired, Loner is effectively retired from progaming entirely.
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On December 31 2014 14:54 tub74557 wrote:
I think the top 4 would only come out from the following 6 players: Jim, MacSed, Xigua, Toodming, XY, Top
Chinese scene is deeper than we know, another Shana could easily come out.
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On December 31 2014 18:46 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 17:10 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 13:59 digmouse wrote:
While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS WHY is this full WCS-structured league supposed to be a qualifier? Just make it officially WCS China already. Wouldn't that take money away from Chinese players though? Why not just deal with it??
Well, if it were to be WCS China they would increase the prize pool presumably. And if it gave WCS points on its own it would allow for more chinese players to be seen internationally if they make it to blizzcon, etc.
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On January 01 2015 01:00 digmouse wrote:
iA's future is largely uncertain, Top and Courage are not actively playing Starcraft any more, they are playing Heroes atm, so consider them retired, Loner is effectively retired from progaming entirely.
Sad to hear, they all were pretty good players
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Jim, XiGua, and Sen are going to have a field day in WCS China
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On January 01 2015 04:53 klipik12 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 18:46 Shinta) wrote:On December 31 2014 17:10 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 13:59 digmouse wrote:
While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS WHY is this full WCS-structured league supposed to be a qualifier? Just make it officially WCS China already. Wouldn't that take money away from Chinese players though? Why not just deal with it?? Well, if it were to be WCS China they would increase the prize pool presumably. And if it gave WCS points on its own it would allow for more chinese players to be seen internationally if they make it to blizzcon, etc.
Are you sure? They would increase the GPL WCS points and prize pool, but it would completely omit the current WCS China WCS points and prize pool, thus resulting in less money and the same amount of points. Also, having 2 touraments allows players to be seen more, and the Chinese would keep the same amount of points.
To me, it's like imaginging S2SL as a qualifier tournament for GSL (ofc this would never happen, but just talking here). S2SL remains an important tournament with prize money, but feeds into GSL which is the official WCS Korea tournament (like I said, none of this is true, but it's an imaginary scenario to use as an example).
2 tournaments, more money, same amount of points for the region. It's cooler to have more points to make the spread more even, but 2 tournaments seems better than 1 in every way I can see at the moment..
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xxxxxxxxx could maybe pull an upset.
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On January 01 2015 08:19 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 04:53 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 18:46 Shinta) wrote:On December 31 2014 17:10 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 13:59 digmouse wrote:
While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS WHY is this full WCS-structured league supposed to be a qualifier? Just make it officially WCS China already. Wouldn't that take money away from Chinese players though? Why not just deal with it?? Well, if it were to be WCS China they would increase the prize pool presumably. And if it gave WCS points on its own it would allow for more chinese players to be seen internationally if they make it to blizzcon, etc. Are you sure? They would increase the GPL WCS points and prize pool, but it would completely omit the current WCS China WCS points and prize pool, thus resulting in less money and the same amount of points. Also, having 2 touraments allows players to be seen more, and the Chinese would keep the same amount of points. To me, it's like imaginging S2SL as a qualifier tournament for GSL (ofc this would never happen, but just talking here). S2SL remains an important tournament with prize money, but feeds into GSL which is the official WCS Korea tournament (like I said, none of this is true, but it's an imaginary scenario to use as an example). 2 tournaments, more money, same amount of points for the region. It's cooler to have more points to make the spread more even, but 2 tournaments seems better than 1 in every way I can see at the moment..
Unless Liquipedia is wrong GPL doesn't give WCS points at the moment
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On January 01 2015 08:13 Advantageous wrote:
Jim and XiGua are going to have a field day in WCS China
Fixed.
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On January 01 2015 08:19 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 04:53 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 18:46 Shinta) wrote:On December 31 2014 17:10 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 13:59 digmouse wrote:
While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS WHY is this full WCS-structured league supposed to be a qualifier? Just make it officially WCS China already. Wouldn't that take money away from Chinese players though? Why not just deal with it?? Well, if it were to be WCS China they would increase the prize pool presumably. And if it gave WCS points on its own it would allow for more chinese players to be seen internationally if they make it to blizzcon, etc. Are you sure? They would increase the GPL WCS points and prize pool, but it would completely omit the current WCS China WCS points and prize pool, thus resulting in less money and the same amount of points. Also, having 2 touraments allows players to be seen more, and the Chinese would keep the same amount of points. To me, it's like imaginging S2SL as a qualifier tournament for GSL (ofc this would never happen, but just talking here). S2SL remains an important tournament with prize money, but feeds into GSL which is the official WCS Korea tournament (like I said, none of this is true, but it's an imaginary scenario to use as an example). 2 tournaments, more money, same amount of points for the region. It's cooler to have more points to make the spread more even, but 2 tournaments seems better than 1 in every way I can see at the moment..
There are no 2 tournaments. From what I understand GPL will be the only qualifier, meaning they just take the top whatever from GPL and put them into WCS challenger - China division. Instead of your analogy, it would be more like how WCS 2013 worked where GSL fed into the WCS season finals, so the top 5 players in KR in that season just got thrown more money and the rest of the scene stayed the same.
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On January 01 2015 18:20 klipik12 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 08:19 Shinta) wrote:On January 01 2015 04:53 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 18:46 Shinta) wrote:On December 31 2014 17:10 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 13:59 digmouse wrote:
While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS WHY is this full WCS-structured league supposed to be a qualifier? Just make it officially WCS China already. Wouldn't that take money away from Chinese players though? Why not just deal with it?? Well, if it were to be WCS China they would increase the prize pool presumably. And if it gave WCS points on its own it would allow for more chinese players to be seen internationally if they make it to blizzcon, etc. Are you sure? They would increase the GPL WCS points and prize pool, but it would completely omit the current WCS China WCS points and prize pool, thus resulting in less money and the same amount of points. Also, having 2 touraments allows players to be seen more, and the Chinese would keep the same amount of points. To me, it's like imaginging S2SL as a qualifier tournament for GSL (ofc this would never happen, but just talking here). S2SL remains an important tournament with prize money, but feeds into GSL which is the official WCS Korea tournament (like I said, none of this is true, but it's an imaginary scenario to use as an example). 2 tournaments, more money, same amount of points for the region. It's cooler to have more points to make the spread more even, but 2 tournaments seems better than 1 in every way I can see at the moment.. There are no 2 tournaments. From what I understand GPL will be the only qualifier, meaning they just take the top whatever from GPL and put them into WCS challenger - China division. Instead of your analogy, it would be more like how WCS 2013 worked where GSL fed into the WCS season finals, so the top 5 players in KR in that season just got thrown more money and the rest of the scene stayed the same.
It's a bit different than that actually, at least on the money part, the tournament still has its own prize money, and if you made it into RO8 you get the guaranteed WCS Challenger and Premier money on top, yes it feeds into WCS but it's bigger than that.
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On January 01 2015 18:20 klipik12 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 08:19 Shinta) wrote:On January 01 2015 04:53 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 18:46 Shinta) wrote:On December 31 2014 17:10 klipik12 wrote:On December 31 2014 13:59 digmouse wrote:
While NetEase and Blizzard China intends to utilize its currently running domestic premier tournament Gold Series Pro League (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GPL_2014_Season_2) as the qualifier for WCS WHY is this full WCS-structured league supposed to be a qualifier? Just make it officially WCS China already. Wouldn't that take money away from Chinese players though? Why not just deal with it?? Well, if it were to be WCS China they would increase the prize pool presumably. And if it gave WCS points on its own it would allow for more chinese players to be seen internationally if they make it to blizzcon, etc. Are you sure? They would increase the GPL WCS points and prize pool, but it would completely omit the current WCS China WCS points and prize pool, thus resulting in less money and the same amount of points. Also, having 2 touraments allows players to be seen more, and the Chinese would keep the same amount of points. To me, it's like imaginging S2SL as a qualifier tournament for GSL (ofc this would never happen, but just talking here). S2SL remains an important tournament with prize money, but feeds into GSL which is the official WCS Korea tournament (like I said, none of this is true, but it's an imaginary scenario to use as an example). 2 tournaments, more money, same amount of points for the region. It's cooler to have more points to make the spread more even, but 2 tournaments seems better than 1 in every way I can see at the moment.. There are no 2 tournaments. From what I understand GPL will be the only qualifier, meaning they just take the top whatever from GPL and put them into WCS challenger - China division. Instead of your analogy, it would be more like how WCS 2013 worked where GSL fed into the WCS season finals, so the top 5 players in KR in that season just got thrown more money and the rest of the scene stayed the same.
I'm learning more from this conversation, but it still seems to be that we have nothing to comlain about YET...
What has happened is now Chinese players don't have to prove who's the best by trying to defeat the best foreigners with a whole ton of lag, now they can play against each other with minimal lag and get to prove themselves on the Chinese stage. After they have proven themselves and made money from being top 8 of China, they eliminate 4 of the top 8, and the other 4 move to Premier. The eliminated 4 still get an extra $2000 just for being there, so you can basically add $2000 to the top 8 prize pool of GPL and pretend nothing happened. Then the advancing 4 are guaranteed $4500...
So basically, this gives Chinese players a better opportunity to play in a fair qualifier. It also allows them focus on this tournament, meaning players won't have to be training for 2 seperate opponents in 2 seperate tournaments, which is a good thing. It's all GPL for them, which gives us the highest quality games.
Another thing to consider is that none of the other regions get money for their qualifiers... It's only China. So, you want them to consider GPL an equal to GSL and S2SL in the WCS world (at least that's what I think you want) but if that happens then Chinese players would never compete with any foreigners in WCS. They would just a higher GPL prize pool (but lower prize pool overall), and compete only with Chinese players until the very end. That would also give Chinese players much less opportunity to earn points.
Even if this deal doesn't have the BEST of results, I still think it looks better than any other options as of right now.
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On January 02 2015 10:12 Shinta) wrote:
Another thing to consider is that none of the other regions get money for their qualifiers... It's only China.
Oceania/SEA qualifier has a pretty big prize pool
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Let me blow some numbers out before the GPL details, total minimal prize money Chinese players can expect from WCS and GPL alone this year is nearly a million CNY, which is over 160k$, that's on the assumption that every Chinese WCS premier player finished last in their group, and not including other big tournaments yet to be announced. While in 2014, according to http://aligulac.com/earnings/?page=1&year=2014&country=CN¤cy=all, 160k$ is all the money Chinese players get, including various international and domestic tournaments. Money wise it is undoubtly better than 2014.
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Until now, these players have signed up:
iG: Jim, XiGua, MacSed, XY, Cloudy, iAsonu (no XluoS)
Zoo: TooDming, Courage, Sakya, Zycart (no Gemini)
Others: Top, Ein, Shana, Rushcrazy, Ezrc, Nuclear, Lanfeng, Mystery, JoCeLyN, even the one: Dignitas.DreAm......
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so this starts soon right? just no stream for today?
WCS Predictor 2015 WCS China Qualifiers Season 1 Winning Chances in ~ (this is with randomized player selection)   Jim has a 28.12% chance to win ----going from 6.67% to 17.9% if they get 1st, or 2.28% if they don't. Top has a 26.31% chance to win ----going from 3.86% to 11.36% if they get 1st, or 1.18% if they don't.  XiGua has a 24.63% chance to win ----going from 1.93% to 6.27% if they get 1st, or 0.52% if they don't.  XY has a 23.57% chance to win ----going from 1.55% to 5.26% if they get 1st, or 0.4% if they don't. iAsonu has a 23.06% chance to win ----going from 1.09% to 3.83% if they get 1st, or 0.26% if they don't. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] + TooDming has a 22.63% chance to win ----going from 0.94% to 3.38% if they get 1st, or 0.22% if they don't. MacSed has a 22.17% chance to win ----going from 0.86% to 3.13% if they get 1st, or 0.21% if they don't. Mystery has a 9.84% chance to win ----going from 0.03% to 0.25% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. XluoS has a 9.18% chance to win ----going from 0.02% to 0.17% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Shana has a 8.79% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.12% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Ein has a 8.04% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.08% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Mayuki has a 7.76% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Courage has a 7.56% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 老北京五开哥 has a 5.14% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. xxxxxxxxxx has a 4.94% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Clavie has a 4.9% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 迷茫听雨 has a 4.77% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Banquet has a 4.65% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. rikka has a 4.45% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't.  费施迪 has a 4.45% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. F91 has a 4.4% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. zazu has a 4.38% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. DouDou has a 4.35% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. forGG has a 4.32% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 城之内 has a 4.16% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Knight has a 4.12% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Homura has a 4.08% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Angrybird has a 4.04% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 安南秀 has a 4.03% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NucleaR has a 4.01% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. VeritaS has a 3.88% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Karl has a 3.85% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Szxy has a 3.82% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. BlueWater has a 3.62% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 庭哥 has a 3.61% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. QiYeeeeeee has a 3.55% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Random has a 3.55% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 妻妻菇凉 has a 3.42% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Andrew has a 3.41% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Cloudy has a 3.38% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. pylonLY has a 3.37% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. SCgoodman has a 3.34% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Elenry has a 3.28% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Gemini has a 3.24% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Manta has a 3.22% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. JoCeLyN has a 3.17% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Flower has a 3.11% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. wanted has a 3.11% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CarsickZerg has a 3.11% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 上海人形 has a 3.08% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. DyyS has a 3.08% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CaptainAM has a 2.97% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. MiCkey has a 2.96% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Coffee has a 2.96% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CharAznable has a 2.84% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Ezrc has a 2.67% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. HunteR has a 2.56% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. YDForever has a 2.29% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NeverSteam has a 2.21% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Sliky has a 2.21% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Sakya has a 2.18% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Zycart has a 1.93% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Lanfeng has a 1.76% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. ZKO has a 1.28% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Rushcrazy has a 1.13% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't.
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On January 05 2015 08:37 Die4Ever wrote:so this starts soon right? just no stream for today? WCS Predictor 2015 WCS China Qualifiers Season 1 Winning Chances in ~ (this is with randomized player selection) Jim has a 28.12% chance to win ----going from 6.67% to 17.9% if they get 1st, or 2.28% if they don't. Top has a 26.31% chance to win ----going from 3.86% to 11.36% if they get 1st, or 1.18% if they don't. XiGua has a 24.63% chance to win ----going from 1.93% to 6.27% if they get 1st, or 0.52% if they don't. XY has a 23.57% chance to win ----going from 1.55% to 5.26% if they get 1st, or 0.4% if they don't. iAsonu has a 23.06% chance to win ----going from 1.09% to 3.83% if they get 1st, or 0.26% if they don't. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] + TooDming has a 22.63% chance to win ----going from 0.94% to 3.38% if they get 1st, or 0.22% if they don't. MacSed has a 22.17% chance to win ----going from 0.86% to 3.13% if they get 1st, or 0.21% if they don't. Mystery has a 9.84% chance to win ----going from 0.03% to 0.25% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. XluoS has a 9.18% chance to win ----going from 0.02% to 0.17% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Shana has a 8.79% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.12% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Ein has a 8.04% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.08% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Mayuki has a 7.76% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Courage has a 7.56% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 老北京五开哥 has a 5.14% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. xxxxxxxxxx has a 4.94% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Clavie has a 4.9% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 迷茫听雨 has a 4.77% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Banquet has a 4.65% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. rikka has a 4.45% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 费施迪 has a 4.45% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. F91 has a 4.4% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. zazu has a 4.38% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. DouDou has a 4.35% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. forGG has a 4.32% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 城之内 has a 4.16% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Knight has a 4.12% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Homura has a 4.08% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Angrybird has a 4.04% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 安南秀 has a 4.03% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NucleaR has a 4.01% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. VeritaS has a 3.88% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Karl has a 3.85% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Szxy has a 3.82% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. BlueWater has a 3.62% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 庭哥 has a 3.61% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. QiYeeeeeee has a 3.55% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Random has a 3.55% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 妻妻菇凉 has a 3.42% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Andrew has a 3.41% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Cloudy has a 3.38% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. pylonLY has a 3.37% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. SCgoodman has a 3.34% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Elenry has a 3.28% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Gemini has a 3.24% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Manta has a 3.22% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. JoCeLyN has a 3.17% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Flower has a 3.11% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. wanted has a 3.11% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CarsickZerg has a 3.11% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 上海人形 has a 3.08% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. DyyS has a 3.08% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CaptainAM has a 2.97% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. MiCkey has a 2.96% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Coffee has a 2.96% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CharAznable has a 2.84% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Ezrc has a 2.67% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. HunteR has a 2.56% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. YDForever has a 2.29% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NeverSteam has a 2.21% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Sliky has a 2.21% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Sakya has a 2.18% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Zycart has a 1.93% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Lanfeng has a 1.76% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. ZKO has a 1.28% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Rushcrazy has a 1.13% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't.
The live stream will start on Jan 8th from RO16.
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Now that it's up, is anyone able to tell us who those people would be better known as?
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China6328 Posts
On January 05 2015 17:56 Circumstance wrote:Now that it's up, is anyone able to tell us who those people would be better known as?
I think our liquipedia crew will get that sorted out in a bit.
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On January 05 2015 18:11 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2015 17:56 Circumstance wrote:Now that it's up, is anyone able to tell us who those people would be better known as? I think our liquipedia crew will get that sorted out in a bit.
Thank ya. <3 Chinese SC2 crew.
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RO64 may appear:
Punk VS iG.XY
Zoo.Loup VS iG.XiGua
Shana VS Mystery (so bad)
Zoo.Zycart VS Zoo.TooDming (poor Zycart)
Rushcrazy VS Ein
Dignitas.DreAm VS Top
Zoo.Sakya VS the winner of Zoo.Hunter VS NucleaR
(Plus RO256: iG.Jim VS xxxxxxxxxx)
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Shana against Mystery, that early on. Yikes. I was looking forward to some wonderful nonsense form them both in the later stages. Not to mention, of course, that the DreAm comeback appears to be cut short.
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So, no results ? Quite odd, isn't it ?
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France7248 Posts
On January 06 2015 03:21 Boucot wrote:
So, no results ? Quite odd, isn't it ?
Stage 1 (January 5th to 8th, not streamed): Round of 256 to Round of 16, single elimination;
they still have 3 more days to play the first stage
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i hope some former warcraft 3 player will give this a try.
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On January 06 2015 03:37 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 03:21 Boucot wrote:
So, no results ? Quite odd, isn't it ? Show nested quote +Stage 1 (January 5th to 8th, not streamed): Round of 256 to Round of 16, single elimination; they still have 3 more days to play the first stage
Oh, thought it was only today.
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Until now, it was only known that Zoo.Mayuki and Zoo.Loup were failed during RO256.
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China6328 Posts
Update:  Heart requested to play in the China qualifier and has acquired necessary visas, but due to sign-up issues he was disqualified.
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On January 06 2015 13:58 digmouse wrote:Update: Heart requested to play in the China qualifier and has acquired necessary visas, but due to sign-up issues he was disqualified.
Uhhhh....I'm gonna guess you meant someone else and not Axiom's Heart? Because that seems to fly in the face of approximately everything in the known world of Starcraft.
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China6328 Posts
On January 06 2015 16:12 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 13:58 digmouse wrote:Update: Heart requested to play in the China qualifier and has acquired necessary visas, but due to sign-up issues he was disqualified. Uhhhh....I'm gonna guess you meant someone else and not Axiom's Heart? Because that seems to fly in the face of approximately everything in the known world of Starcraft.
It is indeed Axiom's Heart, he is coming to study in China in March so he signed up for WCS China qualifier, but he wasn't successfully registered.
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On January 06 2015 16:25 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 16:12 Circumstance wrote:On January 06 2015 13:58 digmouse wrote:Update: Heart requested to play in the China qualifier and has acquired necessary visas, but due to sign-up issues he was disqualified. Uhhhh....I'm gonna guess you meant someone else and not Axiom's Heart? Because that seems to fly in the face of approximately everything in the known world of Starcraft. It is indeed Axiom's Heart, he is coming to study in China in March so he signed up for WCS China qualifier, but he wasn't successfully registered.
So does he simply intend to forfeit his spot in the next Code S, no matter how well he does? Is he intending to live in China and practice on the Chinese server full-time? Are Axiom paying for him to stay somewhere? This doesn't make sense, none of it.
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On January 06 2015 16:28 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 16:25 digmouse wrote:On January 06 2015 16:12 Circumstance wrote:On January 06 2015 13:58 digmouse wrote:Update: Heart requested to play in the China qualifier and has acquired necessary visas, but due to sign-up issues he was disqualified. Uhhhh....I'm gonna guess you meant someone else and not Axiom's Heart? Because that seems to fly in the face of approximately everything in the known world of Starcraft. It is indeed Axiom's Heart, he is coming to study in China in March so he signed up for WCS China qualifier, but he wasn't successfully registered. So does he simply intend to forfeit his spot in the next Code S, no matter how well he does? Is he intending to live in China and practice on the Chinese server full-time? Are Axiom paying for him to stay somewhere? This doesn't make sense, none of it.
New rule: you can play in both KR and WW WCS. And yes, it is as ridiculous as it sounds.
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NT.mystery, NT.Rushcrazy and Dignitas.DreAm have entered RO64.
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Broadcast starts at Sunday, Jan 11 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
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WCS Predictor 2015 WCS Qualifiers Season 1 Winning Chances in ~ (using randomized brackets) Top has a 48.64% chance to win ----going from 1.54% to 2.69% if they get 1st, or 0.46% if they don't. XiGua has a 46.25% chance to win ----going from 0.44% to 0.8% if they get 1st, or 0.12% if they don't. XY has a 45.27% chance to win ----going from 0.45% to 0.84% if they get 1st, or 0.13% if they don't. iAsonu has a 43.71% chance to win ----going from 0.22% to 0.42% if they get 1st, or 0.06% if they don't. TooDming has a 43.18% chance to win ----going from 0.19% to 0.37% if they get 1st, or 0.05% if they don't. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] + MacSed has a 42.38% chance to win ----going from 0.22% to 0.43% if they get 1st, or 0.06% if they don't. Mystery has a 20.57% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.02% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. XluoS has a 19.08% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Shana has a 18.31% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Ein has a 16.82% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Mayuki has a 16.32% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Courage has a 15.94% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. 老北京五开哥 has a 10.98% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. xxxxxxxxxx has a 10.47% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Clavie has a 10.37% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 迷茫听雨 has a 10.22% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Banquet has a 9.98% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. MinDen has a 9.8% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 费施迪 has a 9.63% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. DouDou has a 9.51% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. F91 has a 9.48% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 城之内 has a 9.06% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Homura has a 8.87% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Knight has a 8.86% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Angrybird has a 8.76% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 安南秀 has a 8.73% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NucleaR has a 8.56% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Karl has a 8.39% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. VeritaS has a 8.39% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Szxy has a 8.34% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. BlueWater has a 7.9% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 金牙霸霸 has a 7.84% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 妻妻菇凉 has a 7.84% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Random has a 7.76% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. QiYeeeeeee has a 7.68% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Andrew has a 7.42% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. pylonLY has a 7.33% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. SCgoodman has a 7.33% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Cloudy has a 7.14% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Elenry has a 7.09% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Manta has a 7.06% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Gemini has a 7.01% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. JoCeLyN has a 6.93% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Flower has a 6.92% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CarsickZerg has a 6.84% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. wanted has a 6.83% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. DyyS has a 6.73% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. MiCkey has a 6.46% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CaptainAM has a 6.43% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 上海人形 has a 6.35% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CharAznable has a 6.27% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Coffee has a 6.14% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Ezrc has a 5.98% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. HunteR has a 5.63% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. YDForever has a 5.02% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Sliky has a 4.95% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Sakya has a 4.89% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NeverSteam has a 4.87% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Zycart has a 4.31% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 澜风 has a 4.22% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. LLG has a 3.11% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. ZKO has a 2.82% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Rushcrazy has a 2.5% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't.
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On January 11 2015 06:36 digmouse wrote:
Broadcast starts at Sunday, Jan 11 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
No stream? stream from OP is offline.
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The China Qualifier for the WCS Challenger League is live! Results are already starting to come in!
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United States4149 Posts
On January 11 2015 21:00 Circumstance wrote:The China Qualifier for the WCS Challenger League is live! Results are already starting to come in!
bah i was sitting around waiting for a twitch stream for nothing :-\
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On January 11 2015 21:13 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 21:00 Circumstance wrote:The China Qualifier for the WCS Challenger League is live! Results are already starting to come in! bah i was sitting around waiting for a twitch stream for nothing :-\
They may do an English stream, which would be on Twitch. Digmouse hasn't steered us wrong yet when it comes to the Chinese scene, and he listed the event on TL. But the one that's live now is on Douyu.
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China6328 Posts
Sorry the esportsheaven crew ran into some unexpected technical issues, they will cover it in English tomorrow.
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so theres only 1 qualifier?
doesnt that seem to be harder than the NA an EU qualifiers then? since only 1 chance to get in?
for example
NA has 4 qualifiers to allow 16 players in (so players like Polt can try 4 times)
China has 1 qualifier to allow 8 players in (so players like Macsed, Toodmingt, Jim only try once) ?
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France7248 Posts
On January 12 2015 02:46 mikumegurine wrote:
so theres only 1 qualifier?
doesnt that seem to be harder than the NA an EU qualifiers then? since only 1 chance to get in?
for example
NA has 4 qualifiers to allow 16 players in (so players like Polt can try 4 times)
China has 1 qualifier to allow 8 players in (so players like Macsed, Toodmingt, Jim only try once) ?
pretty sure each region chose its own qualifier format
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The pretty small active player base here probably can't support multiple qualifiers without lowering overall competition level. From what I know it pretty much took full 4 days to fill the 256 spots.
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Who is Clavie and is he good?
Also it's a shame that courage and Jim are in the same losers bracket. I remember courage's games against Arium and thestc, they were really awesome.
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I think the last four spots go to Toodming, Top, Jim, and not-Hunter. (Nothing against Hunter, of course, I just think he's outclassed in his bracket.)
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On January 12 2015 11:30 kc2siq wrote:
Who is Clavie and is he good?
Also it's a shame that courage and Jim are in the same losers bracket. I remember courage's games against Arium and thestc, they were really awesome.
Courage is now half a Heroes of Storm player, a quarter a commentator, only a quarter left an SC2 player.
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Australia18228 Posts
wow XY lost in TvZ
it's like Chinese players play 10x better vs Koreans than vs each other
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Jim qualifies yay! Too bad for Ein, that was pretty nice game.
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What was Ein doing after defending that blink stalker all-in? He threw that game.
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On January 12 2015 03:44 digmouse wrote:
The pretty small active player base here probably can't support multiple qualifiers without lowering overall competition level. From what I know it pretty much took full 4 days to fill the 256 spots.
At least the managed to fill all the spots. 
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Except Clavie, Top, iG's five and TooDming are all "old".
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Wasn't Clavie swiss at one point ?
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China6328 Posts
On January 12 2015 23:54 Boucot wrote:
Wasn't Clavie swiss at one point ?
Turned out he is a student studying in Switzerland, not a citizen.
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On January 12 2015 23:57 digmouse wrote:Turned out he is a student studying in Switzerland, not a citizen.
Clavie = Kim Jong-un.
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On January 12 2015 12:14 Shrinkzxo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 11:30 kc2siq wrote:
Who is Clavie and is he good?
Also it's a shame that courage and Jim are in the same losers bracket. I remember courage's games against Arium and thestc, they were really awesome. Courage is now half a Heroes of Storm player, a quarter a commentator, only a quarter left an SC2 player.
On January 12 2015 16:06 freeamount wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 11:30 kc2siq wrote:
Who is Clavie and is he good?
Also it's a shame that courage and Jim are in the same losers bracket. I remember courage's games against Arium and thestc, they were really awesome. Actually it is unfortunately that Ein and  Jim are in the same bracket. I would not be surprised if  Courage get beaten by Ein. Ein is arguably on par with those Chinese progamers at the moment, though he is only an amateur player. However, he has his own career and family affair, therefore does not want to be a progamer. It is really a shame since Ein could have be shining in the foreign scene if he pursues to play it full time. But it makes sense considering the environment in China, where it is difficult to make money for progamers, except for the very top ones. For Clavie, he is a former Grandmaster player on EU server.
Thank you for the information!
Hopefully I get to hear familiar Chinese names when heroes of the storm gets released for real.
And damn shame about the environment in China. Always felt like they had great potential if only there was more attention given to them (especially considering how terrible MLG and Blizzard handled the first WCS AM qualifier where they essentially did a F-U to China).
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On January 13 2015 01:59 kc2siq wrote:
Hopefully I get to hear familiar Chinese names when heroes of the storm gets released for real.
Top has also transfered to play Hero of the Storm, though he somehow still manages to maintain his StarCraft performance.
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