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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 08 2014 17:05 GMT
#281
Rooting for Life today but Taeja will probably win this.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 08 2014 17:06 GMT
#282
On November 09 2014 02:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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On November 09 2014 02:03 GumBa wrote:
How can people take away that Taeja is way better than I nno? That series was a farce. I want a rematch so badly


I didn't take that away. TaeJa just has more mental conditioning for horrible internet/production situations. Some might call that a skill but I say it really shouldn't be a needed one.

Yeah you shouldnt need to play in conditions like that
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 08 2014 17:06 GMT
#283
On November 09 2014 02:03 goody153 wrote:
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On November 09 2014 02:00 stuchiu wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:59 goody153 wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:56 Musicus wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:55 goody153 wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:53 Musicus wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:50 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 08 2014 23:52 Zealously wrote:
On November 08 2014 23:33 Noonius wrote:
why are people hyping Life?


Because he beat Zest and San - two of the hardest opponents for any Zerg - on his way to the semis and plays Starcraft that is really fun to play, and because he's the last remaining Zerg. I guess.


Taeja has beaten harder opponents and more convincingly.


I want Life to win but does indeed Taeja look really strong vs every race and I think TvZ is terran favoured already (MC said so too yesteday), so if the games are standard Taeja should win.

can't remember but didn't he also win in times that no terran could ? like he wins all the time


Absolutely. Taeja doesn't care for balance, he just wins. But it doesn't hurt if the meta is in his favour .

Not sure about the BL-infestor era since i started watching sc2 after that i think but i think when protoss was kinda favored he was the only one winning shit.



During Bl-infestor era only Mvp, Taeja and Polt were winning things for Terran. And later on just Mvp and Taeja.



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On November 09 2014 02:01 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:59 goody153 wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:56 Musicus wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:55 goody153 wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:53 Musicus wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:50 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 08 2014 23:52 Zealously wrote:
On November 08 2014 23:33 Noonius wrote:
why are people hyping Life?


Because he beat Zest and San - two of the hardest opponents for any Zerg - on his way to the semis and plays Starcraft that is really fun to play, and because he's the last remaining Zerg. I guess.


Taeja has beaten harder opponents and more convincingly.


I want Life to win but does indeed Taeja look really strong vs every race and I think TvZ is terran favoured already (MC said so too yesteday), so if the games are standard Taeja should win.

can't remember but didn't he also win in times that no terran could ? like he wins all the time


Absolutely. Taeja doesn't care for balance, he just wins. But it doesn't hurt if the meta is in his favour .

Not sure about the BL-infestor era since i started watching sc2 after that i think but i think when protoss was kinda favored he was the only one winning shit.




Taeja had an 80% win rate in the BL infestor era, highest of any player and was the last non-Zerg in a WOL GSL.


Alright i'll drop the bomb. Can taeja possibly be the greatest terran player of sc2 ?

I don't think so. MVP still has 4 GSL golds and 2 GSL silvers.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 08 2014 17:06 GMT
#284
On November 09 2014 02:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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On November 09 2014 02:03 GumBa wrote:
How can people take away that Taeja is way better than I nno? That series was a farce. I want a rematch so badly


I didn't take that away. TaeJa just has more mental conditioning for horrible internet/production situations. Some might call that a skill but I say it really shouldn't be a needed one.


It is the most important skill. All the greats talk about mental control all the time. Julyzerg, Mvp, Jaedong, Flash, oov, Boxer, MC.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 08 2014 17:07 GMT
#285
On November 09 2014 02:05 stuchiu wrote:
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On November 09 2014 02:03 GumBa wrote:
How can people take away that Taeja is way better than I nno? That series was a farce. I want a rematch so badly


Taeja was better at dealing with downtime. I'd argue that he had stronger mental fortitude and focus than Inno did.

But one shouldnt need to deal with stuff like that in the first place -.-
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 08 2014 17:08 GMT
#286
On November 09 2014 02:06 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 02:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:03 GumBa wrote:
How can people take away that Taeja is way better than I nno? That series was a farce. I want a rematch so badly


I didn't take that away. TaeJa just has more mental conditioning for horrible internet/production situations. Some might call that a skill but I say it really shouldn't be a needed one.


It is the most important skill. All the greats talk about mental control all the time. Julyzerg, Mvp, Jaedong, Flash, oov, Boxer, MC.

Mental control sure, but in those conditions... I dont know, it just doesn't feel like it counts for a whole lot.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 08 2014 17:08 GMT
#287
On November 09 2014 02:06 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 02:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:03 GumBa wrote:
How can people take away that Taeja is way better than I nno? That series was a farce. I want a rematch so badly


I didn't take that away. TaeJa just has more mental conditioning for horrible internet/production situations. Some might call that a skill but I say it really shouldn't be a needed one.


It is the most important skill. All the greats talk about mental control all the time. Julyzerg, Mvp, Jaedong, Flash, oov, Boxer, MC.

Theres a difference between mental control and everything going to shit like yesterday. One shouldnt have to play in conditions like that.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 08 2014 17:09 GMT
#288
On November 09 2014 02:00 ANLProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 01:58 Zealously wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:56 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:50 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 08 2014 23:52 Zealously wrote:
On November 08 2014 23:33 Noonius wrote:
why are people hyping Life?


Because he beat Zest and San - two of the hardest opponents for any Zerg - on his way to the semis and plays Starcraft that is really fun to play, and because he's the last remaining Zerg. I guess.


Taeja has beaten harder opponents and more convincingly.


Opponents such as Pigbaby, Hyun, elfi and Leenock?


I'm talking about Blizzcon.


Oh, alright. I'm not sure I would agree that the players Taeja beat were much harder or that he did it much more convincingly (Life did crush San - the only Zerg this year to do so), but he's definitely looked good.

Taeja beat the 2 GSL finalists, convincingly. Life only narrowly beat Zest but stomped a weaker player (San).

San is a weaker all around player. His PvZ is legit though. Life beating him and making it look easy was seriously impressive.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 08 2014 17:10 GMT
#289
On November 09 2014 02:07 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 02:05 stuchiu wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:03 GumBa wrote:
How can people take away that Taeja is way better than I nno? That series was a farce. I want a rematch so badly


Taeja was better at dealing with downtime. I'd argue that he had stronger mental fortitude and focus than Inno did.

But one shouldnt need to deal with stuff like that in the first place -.-


BW/SC2/Dota2/Dota/LoL/HS/FGC/CS/CSGO/Quake have basically gone on for the last 10-12 years. It's bad, but a this point if you're expecting to never have to deal with technical difficulties, you're in for a bad time.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 08 2014 17:10 GMT
#290
On November 09 2014 02:08 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 02:06 stuchiu wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:03 GumBa wrote:
How can people take away that Taeja is way better than I nno? That series was a farce. I want a rematch so badly


I didn't take that away. TaeJa just has more mental conditioning for horrible internet/production situations. Some might call that a skill but I say it really shouldn't be a needed one.


It is the most important skill. All the greats talk about mental control all the time. Julyzerg, Mvp, Jaedong, Flash, oov, Boxer, MC.

Theres a difference between mental control and everything going to shit like yesterday. One shouldnt have to play in conditions like that.

Agreed it was quite horrible
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vRadiatioNv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States139 Posts
November 08 2014 17:10 GMT
#291
On November 09 2014 01:58 stuchiu wrote:
Taeja spent 4 years playing at MLG, IPL Tac, DH, old IEMs, Northcon all so he could train for the inifnite downtime that was Blizzcon yesterday.

Given all the foreign tournament experience Taeja has (and presumably, online qualifiers) I do think Taeja is used to being in these kinds of weird, uncomfortable situations. Not just the lag but in his interview he mentioned it was hard getting used to the Blizzcon setup (monitors, chairs, etc) but he pulled through regardless. One can argue it was unfair to Innovation or whatever but on the other hand you can also argue Taeja just has more overall experience as a pro and being able to win in any circumstance is part of being a progamer.
The whole situation sucked but I do think Taeja proved he deserved to advance.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 08 2014 17:10 GMT
#292
On November 09 2014 02:09 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 02:00 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:58 Zealously wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:56 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:50 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 08 2014 23:52 Zealously wrote:
On November 08 2014 23:33 Noonius wrote:
why are people hyping Life?


Because he beat Zest and San - two of the hardest opponents for any Zerg - on his way to the semis and plays Starcraft that is really fun to play, and because he's the last remaining Zerg. I guess.


Taeja has beaten harder opponents and more convincingly.


Opponents such as Pigbaby, Hyun, elfi and Leenock?


I'm talking about Blizzcon.


Oh, alright. I'm not sure I would agree that the players Taeja beat were much harder or that he did it much more convincingly (Life did crush San - the only Zerg this year to do so), but he's definitely looked good.

Taeja beat the 2 GSL finalists, convincingly. Life only narrowly beat Zest but stomped a weaker player (San).

San is a weaker all around player. His PvZ is legit though. Life beating him and making it look easy was seriously impressive.

San's PvZ isn't that amazing once you've dissected it like Life has. It's really powerful because nobody else seems to be able to do what he normally does and get away with it.
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pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
November 08 2014 17:10 GMT
#293
On November 08 2014 21:55 Luolis wrote:
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On November 08 2014 21:55 pigmanbear wrote:
Blizz assassinated all of my hype yesterday. Innovation vs Taeja was a travesty and I don't care of Mickey Mouse wins this tournament now.

Yea its Blizzards fault that Innovations kyboard died right?

I heard a rumor that it wasn't actually a kbd problem? Anyway there were far more problems than just that. Also herO has a right to be angry when it DC'd right as he was making the critical blink push.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 08 2014 17:11 GMT
#294
On November 09 2014 02:08 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 02:06 stuchiu wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:03 GumBa wrote:
How can people take away that Taeja is way better than I nno? That series was a farce. I want a rematch so badly


I didn't take that away. TaeJa just has more mental conditioning for horrible internet/production situations. Some might call that a skill but I say it really shouldn't be a needed one.


It is the most important skill. All the greats talk about mental control all the time. Julyzerg, Mvp, Jaedong, Flash, oov, Boxer, MC.

Theres a difference between mental control and everything going to shit like yesterday. One shouldnt have to play in conditions like that.


You shouldnt have to, but it happened. This is at least the second time Taeja has had to deal with it. And we didnt discount IM's 1-7 All kill of Taeja back then.
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 08 2014 17:11 GMT
#295
On November 09 2014 02:05 GumBa wrote:
Also I think Inno and Taeja are the 2 best terrans

Currently or all time?
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
November 08 2014 17:11 GMT
#296
So in order of hype for the winner, it would go:
TaeJa>Life>MMA>Classic.

Disagree?
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 08 2014 17:11 GMT
#297
On November 09 2014 02:00 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 01:58 Zealously wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:56 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:52 Zealously wrote:
On November 09 2014 01:50 ANLProbe wrote:
On November 08 2014 23:52 Zealously wrote:
On November 08 2014 23:33 Noonius wrote:
why are people hyping Life?


Because he beat Zest and San - two of the hardest opponents for any Zerg - on his way to the semis and plays Starcraft that is really fun to play, and because he's the last remaining Zerg. I guess.


Taeja has beaten harder opponents and more convincingly.


Opponents such as Pigbaby, Hyun, elfi and Leenock?


I'm talking about Blizzcon.


Oh, alright. I'm not sure I would agree that the players Taeja beat were much harder or that he did it much more convincingly (Life did crush San - the only Zerg this year to do so), but he's definitely looked good.


I think Zest and soO are on the same level, now Inno seems to be a harder opponent than San, but Life crushed San so hard and San has such sick PvZ stats, that I see their runs as even thus far.


San was 22-0 or something absurd in offline PvZs this year, including a win over soO in Korea. San's PvZ shouldn't be underestimated
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caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
November 08 2014 17:12 GMT
#298
So I got 3/4 right, only missing MMA over Bomber. Go Taeja!
why?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44229 Posts
November 08 2014 17:12 GMT
#299
On November 09 2014 02:10 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 02:07 GumBa wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:05 stuchiu wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:03 GumBa wrote:
How can people take away that Taeja is way better than I nno? That series was a farce. I want a rematch so badly


Taeja was better at dealing with downtime. I'd argue that he had stronger mental fortitude and focus than Inno did.

But one shouldnt need to deal with stuff like that in the first place -.-


BW/SC2/Dota2/Dota/LoL/HS/FGC/CS/CSGO/Quake have basically gone on for the last 10-12 years. It's bad, but a this point if you're expecting to never have to deal with technical difficulties, you're in for a bad time.

Yah i agree .

In dota 2 a 10 minute pause is sometimes normal.
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ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
November 08 2014 17:12 GMT
#300
On November 09 2014 02:08 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 02:06 stuchiu wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:04 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2014 02:03 GumBa wrote:
How can people take away that Taeja is way better than I nno? That series was a farce. I want a rematch so badly


I didn't take that away. TaeJa just has more mental conditioning for horrible internet/production situations. Some might call that a skill but I say it really shouldn't be a needed one.


It is the most important skill. All the greats talk about mental control all the time. Julyzerg, Mvp, Jaedong, Flash, oov, Boxer, MC.

Theres a difference between mental control and everything going to shit like yesterday. One shouldnt have to play in conditions like that.

Taeja has bad wrists and he had the exact same situation as Bogus. Although downtimes shouldn't happen, it shows that Taeja has better mental fortitude which is important in sports.
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