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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 02 2014 05:39 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:38 stuchiu wrote:On November 02 2014 05:37 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 the p00n wrote:Quick question: I actually haven't played or followed starcraft 2 in years and years (stopped long before HotS was released) but have been watching this event. Terran still seems to be extremely dominant, is this because MMA and Bomber were simply the better players or did their race play a large role in their dominant victories? I couldn't help but overhear Bomber saying in the interview that 'it was a good match-up'. P.S. - funny to see how the meta hasn't changed that much, still seeing the same triple CC mass reactor rax bioball  Terran actually was suffering a lot and only started to dominate again recently after a bunch of Protoss nerfs and Terran buffs. Before that Zerg was dominating at the end of WoL and Protoss dominated HotS. Zerg has probably been the weakest race throughout the year, but thank god we have soO. soO's the reason we don't get buffed.
The worse the race, the more godlike our 1 good player looks.
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On November 02 2014 05:39 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:38 pure.Wasted wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 TheDwf wrote:On November 02 2014 05:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
Is the current map pool considered Terran-favored in TvZ or just TvP? Depends if you ask Terrans or Zergs^ OK, follow-up question: people have been saying for years that the bigger a map, the harder it is for Terran because of reinforcing distance. This is by far the biggest map pool we've ever had, with only one map being smaller than Whirlwind... so is map size not that big a deal after all? Those maps aren't that huge, and huge maps like Deadwing are indeed hard for T.
#BringBackAlterzim
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On November 02 2014 05:38 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:35 TheDwf wrote:On November 02 2014 05:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
Is the current map pool considered Terran-favored in TvZ or just TvP? Depends if you ask Terrans or Zergs^ OK, follow-up question: people have been saying for years that the bigger a map, the harder it is for Terran because of reinforcing distance. This is by far the biggest map pool we've ever had, with only one map being smaller than Whirlwind... so is map size not that big a deal after all?
The rally distance is only very long on Catallena (when Zerg takes the furthest fourth) and Deadwing. It also works both ways, if for instance you lose a fight on cross Deadwing as a Terran, Zerg won't be immediately in your base with the counter.
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On November 02 2014 05:38 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:37 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 the p00n wrote:Quick question: I actually haven't played or followed starcraft 2 in years and years (stopped long before HotS was released) but have been watching this event. Terran still seems to be extremely dominant, is this because MMA and Bomber were simply the better players or did their race play a large role in their dominant victories? I couldn't help but overhear Bomber saying in the interview that 'it was a good match-up'. P.S. - funny to see how the meta hasn't changed that much, still seeing the same triple CC mass reactor rax bioball Terran actually was suffering a lot and only started to dominate again recently after a bunch of Protoss nerfs and Terran buffs. Before that Zerg was dominating at the end of WoL and Protoss dominated HotS. Zerg has probably been the weakest race throughout the year, but thank god we have soO.
Nobody ever talks about how zerg has been the weakest for a bit now. We're like the forgotten middle child
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On November 02 2014 05:38 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:36 Lorning wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 TheDwf wrote:On November 02 2014 05:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
Is the current map pool considered Terran-favored in TvZ or just TvP? Depends if you ask Terrans or Zergs^ It doesn't matter because we suck as a whole. Speak for yourself please, I'm top level In what world is 8 offensive nexi "top level"?
8 offensive nexi into losing is 4 times 2 offensive nexi into losing, so one could argue, that Lorning is 4 times as good as Dear. That argument might have slight flaws, though.
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On November 02 2014 05:38 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:37 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 the p00n wrote:Quick question: I actually haven't played or followed starcraft 2 in years and years (stopped long before HotS was released) but have been watching this event. Terran still seems to be extremely dominant, is this because MMA and Bomber were simply the better players or did their race play a large role in their dominant victories? I couldn't help but overhear Bomber saying in the interview that 'it was a good match-up'. P.S. - funny to see how the meta hasn't changed that much, still seeing the same triple CC mass reactor rax bioball Terran actually was suffering a lot and only started to dominate again recently after a bunch of Protoss nerfs and Terran buffs. Before that Zerg was dominating at the end of WoL and Protoss dominated HotS. Zerg has probably been the weakest race throughout the year, but thank god we have soO.
Solar and Life have also shown great play imo.. but soO really stand out O.o
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On November 02 2014 05:40 Deathstar wrote:
did artosis gain a lot of weight or someting? lol
He's a dad now and married. He does not have to try anymore.
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On November 02 2014 05:40 Deathstar wrote:
did artosis gain a lot of weight or someting? lol
I think that it's just the suit.
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On November 02 2014 05:38 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:35 TheDwf wrote:On November 02 2014 05:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
Is the current map pool considered Terran-favored in TvZ or just TvP? Depends if you ask Terrans or Zergs^ OK, follow-up question: people have been saying for years that the bigger a map, the harder it is for Terran because of reinforcing distance. This is by far the biggest map pool we've ever had, with only one map being smaller than Whirlwind... so is map size not that big a deal after all?
You can't judge on pure length/width alone, it's about the rush distance combined with airspace and chokes. This season's map pool has more abusable air space and chokes combined with less blinkable ledges. Also, the maps like Deadwing and Nimbus that are truly huge have compensating Terran-favoured factors like Nimbus' natural being super-vulnerable to drops and Deadwing having architecture that benefits Tanks and multi-pronged aggression (although TvZ you still don't want to see Deadwing).
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On November 02 2014 05:39 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:36 [PkF] Wire wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 TheDwf wrote:On November 02 2014 05:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
Is the current map pool considered Terran-favored in TvZ or just TvP? Depends if you ask Terrans or Zergs^ Anything that favors T drop play also favors muta play, so TvZ isn't as much affected as TvP. On Nimbus you basically have to hope the T messes up or play Phoenix colossi. It's a fundamentally bad map for this match-up, far more than Yeonsu. Wouldn't totally agree on that. Some maps are better for dropping then defending against drops, imo. :-P
I know very little about TvZ since I play P, but what I mean is what gives you drop opportunities should open symmetric muta harass opportunities. This does not hold for TvP where harass is more done via zealots warp-ins.
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Well PvP, time to take a break.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 02 2014 05:40 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:38 pure.Wasted wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 TheDwf wrote:On November 02 2014 05:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
Is the current map pool considered Terran-favored in TvZ or just TvP? Depends if you ask Terrans or Zergs^ OK, follow-up question: people have been saying for years that the bigger a map, the harder it is for Terran because of reinforcing distance. This is by far the biggest map pool we've ever had, with only one map being smaller than Whirlwind... so is map size not that big a deal after all? The rally distance is only very long on Catallena (when Zerg takes the furthest fourth) and Deadwing. It also works both ways, if for instance you lose a fight on cross Deadwing as a Terran, Zerg won't be immediately in your base with the counter.
Well, unless you're soO killing Flash.
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United States23455 Posts
On November 02 2014 05:40 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:39 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 02 2014 05:38 stuchiu wrote:On November 02 2014 05:37 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 the p00n wrote:Quick question: I actually haven't played or followed starcraft 2 in years and years (stopped long before HotS was released) but have been watching this event. Terran still seems to be extremely dominant, is this because MMA and Bomber were simply the better players or did their race play a large role in their dominant victories? I couldn't help but overhear Bomber saying in the interview that 'it was a good match-up'. P.S. - funny to see how the meta hasn't changed that much, still seeing the same triple CC mass reactor rax bioball Terran actually was suffering a lot and only started to dominate again recently after a bunch of Protoss nerfs and Terran buffs. Before that Zerg was dominating at the end of WoL and Protoss dominated HotS. Zerg has probably been the weakest race throughout the year, but thank god we have soO. soO's the reason we don't get buffed. The worse the race, the more godlike our 1 good player looks.
That's why Maru/Mvp/Nestea/some other people I'm forgetting probably all looked even more baller than they already were
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I kinda wish Blizzcon was double elimination. You hear that Blizzard that's a small improvement I can get behind! Just make the opening weekend 2 days of playing instead of this all of ro16 in one day thing
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On November 02 2014 05:40 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:38 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 02 2014 05:36 Lorning wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 TheDwf wrote:On November 02 2014 05:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
Is the current map pool considered Terran-favored in TvZ or just TvP? Depends if you ask Terrans or Zergs^ It doesn't matter because we suck as a whole. Speak for yourself please, I'm top level In what world is 8 offensive nexi "top level"? 8 offensive nexi into losing is 4 times 2 offensive nexi into losing, so one could argue, that Lorning is 4 times as good as Dear. That argument might have slight flaws, though.
I'm angry because I held off his proxy gate in the game after and then just played like an idiot.
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On November 02 2014 05:41 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:40 stuchiu wrote:On November 02 2014 05:39 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 02 2014 05:38 stuchiu wrote:On November 02 2014 05:37 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 the p00n wrote:Quick question: I actually haven't played or followed starcraft 2 in years and years (stopped long before HotS was released) but have been watching this event. Terran still seems to be extremely dominant, is this because MMA and Bomber were simply the better players or did their race play a large role in their dominant victories? I couldn't help but overhear Bomber saying in the interview that 'it was a good match-up'. P.S. - funny to see how the meta hasn't changed that much, still seeing the same triple CC mass reactor rax bioball Terran actually was suffering a lot and only started to dominate again recently after a bunch of Protoss nerfs and Terran buffs. Before that Zerg was dominating at the end of WoL and Protoss dominated HotS. Zerg has probably been the weakest race throughout the year, but thank god we have soO. soO's the reason we don't get buffed. The worse the race, the more godlike our 1 good player looks. That's why Maru/Mvp/Nestea/some other people I'm forgetting probably all looked even more baller than they already were
maru and taeja*
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United States23455 Posts
On November 02 2014 05:40 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:38 stuchiu wrote:On November 02 2014 05:37 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 the p00n wrote:Quick question: I actually haven't played or followed starcraft 2 in years and years (stopped long before HotS was released) but have been watching this event. Terran still seems to be extremely dominant, is this because MMA and Bomber were simply the better players or did their race play a large role in their dominant victories? I couldn't help but overhear Bomber saying in the interview that 'it was a good match-up'. P.S. - funny to see how the meta hasn't changed that much, still seeing the same triple CC mass reactor rax bioball Terran actually was suffering a lot and only started to dominate again recently after a bunch of Protoss nerfs and Terran buffs. Before that Zerg was dominating at the end of WoL and Protoss dominated HotS. Zerg has probably been the weakest race throughout the year, but thank god we have soO. Nobody ever talks about how zerg has been the weakest for a bit now. We're like the forgotten middle child
You guys have the best foreigners
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On November 02 2014 05:41 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:40 TheDwf wrote:On November 02 2014 05:38 pure.Wasted wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 TheDwf wrote:On November 02 2014 05:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
Is the current map pool considered Terran-favored in TvZ or just TvP? Depends if you ask Terrans or Zergs^ OK, follow-up question: people have been saying for years that the bigger a map, the harder it is for Terran because of reinforcing distance. This is by far the biggest map pool we've ever had, with only one map being smaller than Whirlwind... so is map size not that big a deal after all? The rally distance is only very long on Catallena (when Zerg takes the furthest fourth) and Deadwing. It also works both ways, if for instance you lose a fight on cross Deadwing as a Terran, Zerg won't be immediately in your base with the counter. Well, unless you're soO killing Flash.
-60 supply is -60 supply regardless of the distance.
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On November 02 2014 05:40 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:38 stuchiu wrote:On November 02 2014 05:37 Musicus wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 the p00n wrote:Quick question: I actually haven't played or followed starcraft 2 in years and years (stopped long before HotS was released) but have been watching this event. Terran still seems to be extremely dominant, is this because MMA and Bomber were simply the better players or did their race play a large role in their dominant victories? I couldn't help but overhear Bomber saying in the interview that 'it was a good match-up'. P.S. - funny to see how the meta hasn't changed that much, still seeing the same triple CC mass reactor rax bioball Terran actually was suffering a lot and only started to dominate again recently after a bunch of Protoss nerfs and Terran buffs. Before that Zerg was dominating at the end of WoL and Protoss dominated HotS. Zerg has probably been the weakest race throughout the year, but thank god we have soO. Nobody ever talks about how zerg has been the weakest for a bit now. We're like the forgotten middle child
In regard to the results, Zerg has probably been the weakest month ever since HotS was released, weren't they?
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On November 02 2014 05:39 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 05:38 pure.Wasted wrote:On November 02 2014 05:35 TheDwf wrote:On November 02 2014 05:33 pure.Wasted wrote:
Is the current map pool considered Terran-favored in TvZ or just TvP? Depends if you ask Terrans or Zergs^ OK, follow-up question: people have been saying for years that the bigger a map, the harder it is for Terran because of reinforcing distance. This is by far the biggest map pool we've ever had, with only one map being smaller than Whirlwind... so is map size not that big a deal after all? Those maps aren't that huge, and huge maps like Deadwing are indeed hard for T.
I don't think deadwing is that bad for T. The ledges and the seige spots make it pretty good close spawn.
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