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On July 20 2014 15:06 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:06 Kimb3r wrote:On July 20 2014 15:03 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 ElMeanYo wrote:
Still any debate on whether Taeja is the best Terran?
Give me your arguments. Nope. He's the best Maru is better! Give him the chance playing in DHs, HSCs and IEMs and he would be swimming in money already. Just like Innovation right? Oh wait. All 3 are amazing Terrans, but you cant just assume Maru would win in these environments just because you want to believe.
I just want to answer to this never-ending "who is the best terran"-talk. It makes so much fun, discussing a whole life about the same thing, doesn't it? TaeJa, Maru, Bbyong, Polt, INoVation Top5 currently maybe, I would lay my head out of the window for that, but picking one of them is just silly.
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Great finals, wonderful event. Thanks to IEM, the players, casters and hosts for a superb tournament, even through the issues you guys had the first few days.
Congrats to TaeJa once again. Can't wait to see him and Solar at IEM Worlds.
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On July 20 2014 15:09 Circumstance wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:07 pure.Wasted wrote:On July 20 2014 15:05 Dodgin wrote:
both bomber and taeja confirmed(i think) to retire at the end of the year tho, what will terran do after that T_t What??? They're both doing military service, but retirement? It's not impossible to come back, especially for Taeja given how young he is. I think Taeja's going out on his terms because of his wrists. Bomber, I could see him trying again in a couple years. People have done their time and come back before. Stardust was on Air Force ACE.
Bomber is a bit old to come back after at least with any resemblance to his former self. People forget he's been around for a long time, being on estrO back in BW
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On July 20 2014 15:08 kaykoose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:06 Kimb3r wrote:On July 20 2014 15:03 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 ElMeanYo wrote:
Still any debate on whether Taeja is the best Terran?
Give me your arguments. Nope. He's the best Maru is better! Give him the chance playing in DHs, HSCs and IEMs and he would be swimming in money already. Until I see him do it, Taeja is the best. No one wins more. He's the best. SC2 is the only "sport" where winning the most doesn't mean being the best to a large part of the fan base. Makes zero sense to me.
Weak competition blah blah blah.
You think 17-0 is impressive? Maru would go 34-0 in the same tournament, in only 17 games.
Anyway - great tournament. Solid finals - 4 hours till PROLEAGUE! :D
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On July 20 2014 15:01 Kimb3r wrote:
Poor Solar.. but gj TaeJa, a foreign-Korean and Terran winning a stacked tournament.
You realise this is an oxymoron right?
I think Taeja is overall the greatest SC2 player ever. Definitely for tournaments.
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On July 20 2014 15:10 Iodem wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:09 asongdotnet wrote:
can't argue with 11-1 in the finals... You can always resort to saying Jim won the tournament by proxy :p
how did Jim (lowly Foreigner) beat Taeja, the undisputed best in the world? does not compute
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On July 20 2014 15:07 ElMeanYo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:02 liberate71 wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 ElMeanYo wrote:
Still any debate on whether Taeja is the best Terran?
Give me your arguments. They are already spewing the "weekend tournaments dont count" mentality - its fucking classic. I don't get this. I'm a zerg player and I love Solar but I have to tip my hat to Taeja. He's damn incredible. The moment that made it for me was when some banes were charging a bunker defending his natural, and he unloaded them, targeted them down and got back into the bunker to finish the rest off. All while macroing and attacking Solar in 2 different places. I mean, damn... what can you do as Zerg vs that skill.
This. That and the blind tank and hold on game 6.
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On July 20 2014 15:06 Kimb3r wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:03 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 ElMeanYo wrote:
Still any debate on whether Taeja is the best Terran?
Give me your arguments. Nope. He's the best Maru is better! Give him the chance playing in DHs, HSCs and IEMs and he would be swimming in money already.
he wouldnt get far in any of those... as there is no time for preparation... and as we have seen how "great" kespa players are without preparation... looking like headless chickens, doing stupid mistakes and getting flustered all the time
the reason why taeja doesnt do well in tournaments with preparation is the fact that he doesnt cheese, so there is nothing to prepare... he plays pretty standard... but he is vulnerable to those that prepare for his standard play and cheese him and exploit it!
Pure skill is the best for weekend tournaments... thats why he wins everything, because he is probably most skilled player in the world... but when preparation comes in, well... other are prepared for him, but he still plays the same... and funny enough, still gets far in those tournaments too, and beats top kespa players... just doesnt win the tournaments
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IEM always one of my fav tournaments
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On July 20 2014 15:11 Green_25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:01 Kimb3r wrote:
Poor Solar.. but gj TaeJa, a foreign-Korean and Terran winning a stacked tournament. You realise this is an oxymoron right?
redeye and Susie used the term in interviews with Zest and other koreans
to distinguish the koreans that play in foreign tournaments from the koreans that play primarily in korea
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On July 20 2014 15:08 kaykoose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:06 Kimb3r wrote:On July 20 2014 15:03 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 ElMeanYo wrote:
Still any debate on whether Taeja is the best Terran?
Give me your arguments. Nope. He's the best Maru is better! Give him the chance playing in DHs, HSCs and IEMs and he would be swimming in money already. Until I see him do it, Taeja is the best. No one wins more. He's the best. SC2 is the only "sport" where winning the most doesn't mean being the best. Makes zero sense to me.
That's because of the difference between WCS KR and every other event in terms of level of skill. Sure, this IEM was very stacked but would you say it was as stacked as a GSL? In my ***********opinion********** it was not. Taeja did well in GSL when he participated but did he dominate there? No. Because a heavyweight can consistently dominate lighter fighters but that does not mean that he would dominate other heavyweight fighters as much.
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I laugh at those that say Taeja is a loser because he isn't in the GSL.
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On July 20 2014 15:08 kaykoose wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:06 Kimb3r wrote:On July 20 2014 15:03 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 ElMeanYo wrote:
Still any debate on whether Taeja is the best Terran?
Give me your arguments. Nope. He's the best Maru is better! Give him the chance playing in DHs, HSCs and IEMs and he would be swimming in money already. Until I see him do it, Taeja is the best. No one wins more. He's the best. SC2 is the only "sport" where winning the most doesn't mean being the best to a large part of the fan base. Makes zero sense to me.
Do you actually watch other sports?
No one in their right mind would say the Rangers were the second best NHL team this season. There is such a thing known as "extenuating circumstances." Just because the Rangers won the weaker Eastern conference doesn't mean they're good. It means they won the weaker Eastern conference.
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On July 20 2014 15:10 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:08 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:06 Kimb3r wrote:On July 20 2014 15:03 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 ElMeanYo wrote:
Still any debate on whether Taeja is the best Terran?
Give me your arguments. Nope. He's the best Maru is better! Give him the chance playing in DHs, HSCs and IEMs and he would be swimming in money already. Until I see him do it, Taeja is the best. No one wins more. He's the best. SC2 is the only "sport" where winning the most doesn't mean being the best to a large part of the fan base. Makes zero sense to me. Weak competition blah blah blah. You think 17-0 is impressive? Maru would go 34-0 in the same tournament, in only 17 games. Anyway - great tournament. Solid finals - 4 hours till PROLEAGUE! :D
I remember Maru got wrecked by some WCS AM players last time he came out. And he's not even close to come out this year.
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what a long weekend of starcraft... and it's still not over! redbull, wcs qualifiers, code a, iem, dreamhack and now proleague! i can't remember a weekend this packed with so much starcraft. i guess this is how they answer TI4... bombard it with many many tournaments lol
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On July 20 2014 15:10 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:08 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:06 Kimb3r wrote:On July 20 2014 15:03 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 ElMeanYo wrote:
Still any debate on whether Taeja is the best Terran?
Give me your arguments. Nope. He's the best Maru is better! Give him the chance playing in DHs, HSCs and IEMs and he would be swimming in money already. Until I see him do it, Taeja is the best. No one wins more. He's the best. SC2 is the only "sport" where winning the most doesn't mean being the best to a large part of the fan base. Makes zero sense to me. Weak competition blah blah blah. You think 17-0 is impressive? Maru would go 34-0 in the same tournament, in only 17 games. Anyway - great tournament. Solid finals - 4 hours till PROLEAGUE! :D
Lol no he won't.
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On July 20 2014 15:12 Karpfen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:08 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:06 Kimb3r wrote:On July 20 2014 15:03 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 ElMeanYo wrote:
Still any debate on whether Taeja is the best Terran?
Give me your arguments. Nope. He's the best Maru is better! Give him the chance playing in DHs, HSCs and IEMs and he would be swimming in money already. Until I see him do it, Taeja is the best. No one wins more. He's the best. SC2 is the only "sport" where winning the most doesn't mean being the best. Makes zero sense to me. That's because of the difference between WCS KR and every other event in terms of level of skill. Sure, this IEM was very stacked but would you say it was as stacked as a GSL? In my ***********opinion********** it was not. Taeja did well in GSL when he participated but did he dominate there? No. Because a heavyweight can consistently dominate lighter fighters but that does not mean that he would dominate other heavyweight fighters as much.
3-0 Zest is not dominating a heavyweight fighter?
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On July 20 2014 15:07 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:06 Thrillz wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 14:59 Morbidius wrote:
Best player in the world. Easily Lets not get out of hand hear. No victories in Korea kinda kills that. I mean at least wait he wins a WCS in America? Beating Koreans doesnt count unless it sin Korea - gotcha.
Didn't say that did I? But not winning the toughest tournament in the world is quite a thorn if you want the claim to the best player in the world. At the very least win in WCS America. I don't give out easily best player like freebies, especially since he got 3-0'd by Pigbaby a few weeks ago.
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On July 20 2014 15:02 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:01 Darkhorse wrote:On July 20 2014 15:00 Cheren wrote:On July 20 2014 15:00 Darkhorse wrote:
I like that. Horse in the room! Let me know when they win GSL You are so salty. It's like the ocean On a less salty note, the picking up IEM champion ceremony is way better than the DH champagne ceremony.
Way worse
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On July 20 2014 15:12 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 15:08 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:06 Kimb3r wrote:On July 20 2014 15:03 kaykoose wrote:On July 20 2014 15:01 ElMeanYo wrote:
Still any debate on whether Taeja is the best Terran?
Give me your arguments. Nope. He's the best Maru is better! Give him the chance playing in DHs, HSCs and IEMs and he would be swimming in money already. Until I see him do it, Taeja is the best. No one wins more. He's the best. SC2 is the only "sport" where winning the most doesn't mean being the best to a large part of the fan base. Makes zero sense to me. Do you actually watch other sports? No one in their right mind would say the Rangers were the second best NHL team this season. There is such a thing known as "extenuating circumstances." Just because the Rangers won the weaker Eastern conference doesn't mean they're good. It means they won the weaker Eastern conference.
Yes.
Ok, maybe I was too general. Lets make it 1v1 sports
Go.
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