Protoss needs some tuning (or Terran needs a bit of help).
I'll let avilo know that this is acceptable balance comment and he should just refrain from offering any actual suggestions or observations. He won't listen to me, but I'll let him know the TB approved standard of balance discussion.
Also, is avilo allowed to mention that the current proposals don't seem like they will solve the current problems or would that be toxic and is that only okay for others to do?
TL:DR - BL/Infestor was far worse than this, any suggestion otherwise is revisionist history.
Protoss has won 13 of the last 19 Premier tournaments with 6 PvP Finals. A Protoss has been in 17 of those 19 events. At the end of WoL we had only 9 Zerg champs out of 19 events with 8 ZvZ Finals. A Zerg was in only 13 of those 19 events. The games may be closer to even now but the end results are pretty similar.
And fwiw, I don't see much true hate directed at the Protoss players themselves unless you count "Who is this guy I haven't heard of him before."
Do everyone a favour and confine the fanboi shit to the other thread, unless you'd prefer we just play the "Read Avilos Twitter" game again.
As for sleeping, I'll let you know once the oxy kicks in
Protoss needs some tuning (or Terran needs a bit of help).
I'll let avilo know that this is acceptable balance comment and he should just refrain from offering any actual suggestions or observations. He won't listen to me, but I'll let him know the TB approved standard of balance discussion.
Also, is avilo allowed to mention that the current proposals don't seem like they will solve the current problems or would that be toxic and is that only okay for others to do?
TL:DR - BL/Infestor was far worse than this, any suggestion otherwise is revisionist history.
Protoss has won 13 of the last 19 Premier tournaments with 6 PvP Finals. A Protoss has been in 17 of those 19 events. At the end of WoL we had only 9 Zerg champs out of 19 events with 8 ZvZ Finals. A Zerg was in only 13 of those 19 events. The games may be closer to even now but the end results are pretty similar.
And fwiw, I don't see much true hate directed at the Protoss players themselves unless you count "Who is this guy I haven't heard of him before."
There's more hate towards toss players now than there was towards terran players in 2011, since back then people still believed the "oh they're the best players in the world, they deserve to win" thing, people now are too smart to buy into that imo.
But yeah 2011 is a better comparison. 2011 Terran was winning everything but the games were still pretty good quality, 2012 BL/Infestor was worse cause the games were awful, 2014's had a lot of really good games it just usually ends with toss winning.
On July 07 2014 13:23 kaykoose wrote: Is Squirtle the best protoss switching over to AM for season 3? If so, I predict he's our next winner
Squirtle is a shell of his former self. I think he can get into ro16 though.
idk he might not even be able to beat Jaedong
Jeez is he that bad?
no disrespect of course.. but JD is struggling
Well Squirtle hasn't played a pro match in over a month according to Aligulac but before that he was on an 8 map losing streak and 3-16 overall since the start of the GSL Global Championship back in April: 0-2 Creator, 0-1 Super, 0-2 Innovation, 0-2 Leenock, 0-1 sOs, 1-0 Stork, 0-1 DRG, 0-1 Parting, 1-2 DRG, 0-2 Fantasy, 1-2 Hack
On July 07 2014 13:23 kaykoose wrote: Is Squirtle the best protoss switching over to AM for season 3? If so, I predict he's our next winner
Squirtle is a shell of his former self. I think he can get into ro16 though.
idk he might not even be able to beat Jaedong
Jeez is he that bad?
no disrespect of course.. but JD is struggling
Well Squirtle hasn't played a pro match in over a month according to Aligulac but before that he was on an 8 map losing streak and 3-16 overall since the start of the GSL Global Championship back in April: 0-2 Creator, 0-1 Super, 0-2 Innovation, 0-2 Leenock, 0-1 sOs, 1-0 Stork, 0-1 DRG, 0-1 Parting, 1-2 DRG, 0-2 Fantasy, 1-2 Hack
On July 07 2014 13:31 Cheren wrote: There's more hate towards toss players now than there was towards terran players in 2011, since back then people still believed the "oh they're the best players in the world, they deserve to win" thing, people now are too smart to buy into that imo.
Exactly. When any race is suddenly winning every tournament, there is a reason and its not that suddenly everyone playing that race got better. We aren't saying the PLAYERS are bad, we are saying the RACE has flaws.
Do everyone a favour and confine the fanboi shit to the other thread
Then please deign comment on just this fact:
Protoss has won 13 of the last 19 Premier tournaments with 6 PvP Finals. A Protoss has been in 17 of those 19 events. At the end of WoL we had only 9 Zerg champs out of 19 events with 8 ZvZ Finals. A Zerg was in only 13 of those 19 events. The games may be closer to even now but the end results are pretty similar.
I'd say strictly on end results it's better to be Protoss now than it was to be Zerg at the end of WoL.
Do everyone a favour and confine the fanboi shit to the other thread
Then please deign comment on just this fact:
Protoss has won 13 of the last 19 Premier tournaments with 6 PvP Finals. A Protoss has been in 17 of those 19 events. At the end of WoL we had only 9 Zerg champs out of 19 events with 8 ZvZ Finals. A Zerg was in only 13 of those 19 events. The games may be closer to even now but the end results are pretty similar.
I'd say strictly on end results it's better to be Protoss now than it was to be Zerg at the end of WoL.
Your mistake is believing that anyone disagrees with the idea that Protoss is dominant right now and not that they simply disagree with the way a certain vocal balance-whining deadcat wearing Terran decides to express it.
On July 07 2014 13:23 kaykoose wrote: Is Squirtle the best protoss switching over to AM for season 3? If so, I predict he's our next winner
Squirtle is a shell of his former self. I think he can get into ro16 though.
idk he might not even be able to beat Jaedong
Jeez is he that bad?
no disrespect of course.. but JD is struggling
Well Squirtle hasn't played a pro match in over a month according to Aligulac but before that he was on an 8 map losing streak and 3-16 overall since the start of the GSL Global Championship back in April: 0-2 Creator, 0-1 Super, 0-2 Innovation, 0-2 Leenock, 0-1 sOs, 1-0 Stork, 0-1 DRG, 0-1 Parting, 1-2 DRG, 0-2 Fantasy, 1-2 Hack
He looked pretty poor in most of the games I saw
eww
scratch what I said
Plus who are the other Koreans coming over for the qualifiers? I know Losira and Curious are supposed to. With the Koreans limited to just the wildcard spots Squirtle might not even qualify
On July 07 2014 13:45 TotalBiscuit wrote: Your mistake is believing that anyone disagrees with the idea that Protoss is dominant right now and not that they simply disagree with the way a certain vocal balance-whining deadcat wearing Terran decides to express it.
Okay. You have said you believe some tweaks for Protoss and/or Terran are in order. What do you recommend? Let's all work together to improve the current balance.
What do you think of reducing the armory gas cost from 100 to 50 allowing a quick double armory?
How about removing the engineering bay requirement for making turrets to help Terran defend oracle and DT opens?
Some people have mentioned reducing the time for stim research and others would like to see either the range or duration of photon overchage reduced. Do any of those strike your fancy?
On July 07 2014 13:45 TotalBiscuit wrote: Your mistake is believing that anyone disagrees with the idea that Protoss is dominant right now and not that they simply disagree with the way a certain vocal balance-whining deadcat wearing Terran decides to express it.
Okay. You have said you believe some tweaks for Protoss and/or Terran are in order. What do you recommend? Let's all work together to improve the current balance.
What do you think of reducing the armory gas cost from 100 to 50 allowing a quick double armory?
How about removing the engineering bay requirement for making turrets to help Terran defend oracle and DT opens?
Some people have mentioned reducing the time for stim research and others would like to see either the range or duration of photon overchage reduced. Do any of those strike your fancy?
I actually have the common sense not to comment on specific balance because I'm terrible at Starcraft 2.
If you would like I can ask my team, who are not terrible at Starcraft 2.
the buff ive been thinking for a while for terran for the past few months to help in tvp but mostly tvz was to revert the ghost nerf to snipe been thinking about this for about 4-5 months but idk.
I'm home, and that was really just the most SICK event.
Again, the people were all just wonderful to be around. Silky and Padre (who I called Guitarcheese far too often) were amazing to talk to, as was the guy with the whiteboard on the other side of me, whose name I wish I had gotten.
And Pigbaby - after so many observers, he managed to outdo himself in hype creation. Two Fleet Beacons, for two different purposes, against Terran. And after checking last night's VODs before I left this afternoon, I can say with certainty that everything you heard online was at least 5 times louder in the studio.
Like any other sporting event or any other kind of entertainment, live and broadcasted are not even in the same ballpark. At home, yelling that stuff seems illogical. But when you're surrounded by people who love the same weird thing you do, watching the best in the world perform their craft, with experts entertaining you with commentary and analysis, it's second-nature.
All in all, it was an unbelievable experience to see this guy not just walk the Royal Road, but strut down it. I made and printed out 2 little memories from the experience (http://www.hearthcards.net/cards/c845fc2b.png) (http://www.hearthcards.net/cards/da1d3acd.png) and took them to the studio today, and after the event, managed to get a bunch of autographs! Pigbaby, Heart, Bomber, Nathanias, and Qxc. In the end, I'm just really happy with the way I spent this weekend.
I know it might sound a bit salty because it's my map but god damn hab stat should still be in the next ladder's map pool because strategies like this final game go to show how the meta game is still evolving on this map. No other map produces games like that...zzzzzzzzz.
On July 07 2014 14:20 SidianTheBard wrote: I know it might sound a bit salty because it's my map but god damn hab stat should still be in the next ladder's map pool because strategies like this final game go to show how the meta game is still evolving on this map. No other map produces games like that...zzzzzzzzz.
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