This is group H. Hydra starts with an H so he advances in first, and Panic has no H, so he will get last place. The deciding match will be against Flash and Shine, which Flash will win since his name is slightly more similar to Hydra (has 2 letters in common instead of one). My predictions are therefore: Hydra > Flash Panic < Shine Hydra > Shine Flash > Panic Flash > Shine
Also, all the players have an ID consisting of five letters.
GSL S2 Code A - Flash is at ~ 2.55 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 56.56 % of the time Flash wins and their chances go up to ~ 4.07 %. ~ 43.44 % of the time Flash loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.57 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Hydra is at ~ 1.93 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 51.15 % of the time Hydra wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.39 %. ~ 48.85 % of the time Hydra loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.40 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Shine is at ~ 0.42 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 44.92 % of the time Shine wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.82 %. ~ 55.08 % of the time Shine loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.09 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Panic is at ~ 0.60 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 47.38 % of the time Panic wins and their chances go up to ~ 1.11 %. ~ 52.62 % of the time Panic loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.15 %.
GSL S2 Code A - Curious is at ~ 3.00 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 58.08 % of the time Curious wins and their chances go up to ~ 4.67 %. ~ 41.92 % of the time Curious loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.70 %. ------------------------------------------------- - RagnaroK is at ~ 1.58 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 57.60 % of the time RagnaroK wins and their chances go up to ~ 2.53 %. ~ 42.40 % of the time RagnaroK loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.28 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Stats is at ~ 0.22 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 31.49 % of the time Stats wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.59 %. ~ 68.51 % of the time Stats loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.05 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Rogue is at ~ 0.81 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 52.83 % of the time Rogue wins and their chances go up to ~ 1.40 %. ~ 47.17 % of the time Rogue loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.15 %.
Hipster would be predicting Shine and Panic to advance >_>
edit: Should explain better. Flash is practically guaranteed to advance according to some, so picking him is very normal. Quite a few people are picking Panic as well because Hydra has not done well recently and Shine is… Shine.
Yeah i didn't like the twitching ones xD seems like people were making fun of him more than anything YOU CANNOT MAKE FUN OF GOD!!! Especially sword weilding god; https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=689351971125423
On April 16 2014 17:45 Pandemona wrote: Yeah i didn't like the twitching ones xD seems like people were making fun of him more than anything YOU CANNOT MAKE FUN OF GOD!!! Especially sword weilding god; https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=689351971125423
On April 16 2014 18:03 Gexs wrote: I haven't watched SC for about half a year now, can someone tell me what happened to Khaldor? Does he still cast for GOM?
Lol at Nada being better than Flash. The only person that deserves to be compared to flash, as far as Terran goes, is Iloveoov. If you're thinking boxer, punch yourself.
On April 16 2014 18:03 Gexs wrote: I haven't watched SC for about half a year now, can someone tell me what happened to Khaldor? Does he still cast for GOM?
On April 16 2014 18:03 Gexs wrote: I haven't watched SC for about half a year now, can someone tell me what happened to Khaldor? Does he still cast for GOM?
When you miss your mech timing like flash did, because of hydra's pressure, there unfortunately is no other way than to turtle with mech. Mech dies way to easily on the open field...
On April 16 2014 18:25 Pandemona wrote: Yeah so we clearly see Flash has better mechanics/strats but if he can't get to the mid game without losing 20+ SCVs he going struggle vs Hydra.
Really? How did we see that in this game? In this game hydra was superior in every way
On April 16 2014 18:25 Pandemona wrote: Yeah so we clearly see Flash has better mechanics/strats but if he can't get to the mid game without losing 20+ SCVs he going struggle vs Hydra.
Haha yeah that's why Flash defended so well vs the burrowed roach runby's
On April 16 2014 18:25 Pandemona wrote: Yeah so we clearly see Flash has better mechanics/strats but if he can't get to the mid game without losing 20+ SCVs he going struggle vs Hydra.
Haha yeah that's why Flash defended so well vs the burrowed roach runby's
Well it wasn't catastrophic damage he took from that runby it was damage but it wasn't game ending when going mech.
On April 16 2014 18:27 JazVM wrote: Flash to code B. Sad but true...
That's where he belongs.
Seriously, I think he is still going to make it out today. He's been looking really strong for the first time in HotS lately. Gonna 2-1 this series and get out in first place-
On April 16 2014 18:27 JazVM wrote: Flash to code B. Sad but true...
That's where he belongs.
Seriously, I think he is still going to make it out today. He's been looking really strong for the first time in HotS lately. Gonna 2-1 this series and get out in first place-
Really? First MLG, last season Proleague he was looking strong.
On April 16 2014 18:30 Heartland wrote: This is why Habitation is great. The only map to inspire truly different play.
It's nice to get maps like that from time to time but I think it's overstaying its welcome a bit. The more gimmicky maps shouldn't stay in rotation for too long imo.
You are supposed to cast a game. I agree that Flash looked dead, but no need to make that statement before the game is over.
Are people really still getting pissy about that kind of thing? Shouldn't expect casters to lie to the audience. If a player is dead as shit they should cast it as if they were dead as shit.
On April 16 2014 18:34 Schelim wrote: Flash is so funny to me. how are you going to dominate Proleague but keep losing to everything in single competition
On April 16 2014 18:27 JazVM wrote: Flash to code B. Sad but true...
That's where he belongs.
Seriously, I think he is still going to make it out today. He's been looking really strong for the first time in HotS lately. Gonna 2-1 this series and get out in first place-
Really? First MLG, last season Proleague he was looking strong.
oh yeah, that MLG in the beta. I don't know about Proleague. Lots of players look very strong there but aren't that good in individual leagues then. He has been sent out a lot over Zest, though Zest always had the better winrates on KT and now also is a champion, that's why he has so many wins. With strong I meant like really good, being able to take down topplayers consistently. Something that I feel like he has been lacking previously.
Anyways... not gonna turn this series around as it looks like ^^
You are supposed to cast a game. I agree that Flash looked dead, but no need to make that statement before the game is over.
Are people really still getting pissy about that kind of thing? Shouldn't expect casters to lie to the audience. If a player is dead as shit they should cast it as if they were dead as shit.
People would just shit on them for hyping the game when its over. You cant win with some people.
On April 16 2014 18:34 Schelim wrote: Flash is so funny to me. how are you going to dominate Proleague but keep losing to everything in single competition
Him and Sea changed souls?
Sea won a BW tournament after he retired sc2 didnt he?
The difference between Flash in BW and Flash in SC2 lies there. In BW, he dictated the game flow. Even when some cheese was coming, he knew it and adapted well. Here, he was clearly playing blind.
God dammit Flash :'( Never turns up when he needs too, he isn't out yet i guess but he making it more difficult than it should be. CJ not even allowed to play qualifiers so i doubt Hydra has even practiced that much for this match and you still got brushed aside ;_;
On April 16 2014 18:34 Schelim wrote: Flash is so funny to me. how are you going to dominate Proleague but keep losing to everything in single competition
Him and Sea changed souls?
Sea won a BW tournament after he retired sc2 didnt he?
On April 16 2014 18:34 Schelim wrote: Flash is so funny to me. how are you going to dominate Proleague but keep losing to everything in single competition
Him and Sea changed souls?
Sea won a BW tournament after he retired sc2 didnt he?
On April 16 2014 18:34 Schelim wrote: Flash is so funny to me. how are you going to dominate Proleague but keep losing to everything in single competition
Him and Sea changed souls?
Sea won a BW tournament after he retired sc2 didnt he?
Ah well. Enough Code A for today, im not really too excited for a PvZ and another PvZ or ZvZ. Doubt Flash will advance, but hey, thats what you got for being ultra predictable. MAybe hes going to surprise me when i check results later See you arround folks
On April 16 2014 18:34 Schelim wrote: Flash is so funny to me. how are you going to dominate Proleague but keep losing to everything in single competition
Him and Sea changed souls?
Sea won a BW tournament after he retired sc2 didnt he?
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
And every foreigner ever
Please. I'm not convinced Flash would qualify for Premier in either of the other regions.
It's funny how they're asking for candidates to have good english while the ad itself reads like it was written in korean and translated into english with google. Maybe writing the ad texts is what the new guy will have to do.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
And every foreigner ever
Please. I'm not convinced Flash would qualify for Premier in either of the other regions.
On April 16 2014 18:35 nojok wrote: Hydra killing esport.
Killing? Perfectly planning the kill on a legend is making esports if you ask me...
Nah, Flash getting to a GSL final would be huge.
yeah man screw all those players that are better than Flash for not allowing him to go to the finals. such jerks.
Are you implying that's what I am saying? I just said it would be huge. Which it would.
You debated with Toastie who pointed out that Hydra wasn't killing esports. Then Schelim drew the conclusion that you were arguing that Hydra was killing esports and thought that was a bit silly, which it is.
It's like me responding to you, "Nah, more Flash ceremonies would be huge." Well, maybe, but it's irrelevant.
On April 16 2014 18:42 Pandemona wrote: Wonder if that Pro League caster from Australia will apply ^_^
Can you apply even if you're in the custody of Kespa customs officials?
Lol true xD Guess we find out when they make their debuts To be honest imo they should force the three casters they got to rotate. Tastosis + Wolf is more than enough for Code A and S imo. They don't work that hard ;_;
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
And every foreigner ever
Please. I'm not convinced Flash would qualify for Premier in either of the other regions.
O.o thats a bit of a stretch
He could at least get to ro32 and lose together with Jaedong to Has!
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
And every foreigner ever
Please. I'm not convinced Flash would qualify for Premier in either of the other regions.
O.o thats a bit of a stretch
He could at least get to ro32 and lose together with Jaedong to Has!
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
So it's Blizzards fault that Flash isn't that great now.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
So it's Blizzards fault that Flash isn't that great now.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
So it's Blizzards fault that Flash isn't that great now.
If you insist on drawing all the meaning you possibly can from my statement, you'd probably be safer going with "It's Blizzard's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account."
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
So it's Blizzards fault that Flash isn't that great now.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
Maru agrees and sits back to turtl-
Wait
No
yea seriously, it's Flash's fault that 9/10 (don't agree with this number though) of his games don't take multitasking into account, at least not on Flash's part
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
Maru agrees and sits back to turtl-
Wait
No
Fantasy never multidrops or attacks!
TY, Supernova, Life, Soulkey, Roro, MMA, Dear are all aberrations of our imagination.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
Different kinds of hype though. And if you listen carefully you can still hear the banjo play from afar.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
Different kinds of hype though. And if you listen carefully you can still hear the banjo play from afar.
Different kinds is true, but at the end of the day, Flash IS the Terran banjo. It's very hard to argue otherwise.
On April 16 2014 18:54 myminerals wrote: Flash just does not enjoy the game. No wonder that after so much time of playing he's just a middle tier player.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
Maru agrees and sits back to turtl-
Wait
No
Fantasy never multidrops or attacks!
TY, Supernova, Life, Soulkey, Roro, MMA, Dear are all aberrations of our imagination.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
Maru agrees and sits back to turtl-
Wait
No
Fantasy never multidrops or attacks!
TY, Supernova, Life, Soulkey, Roro, MMA, Dear are all aberrations of our imagination.
notice how only one of these illusions plays Protoss
On April 16 2014 18:54 myminerals wrote: Flash just does not enjoy the game. No wonder that after so much time of playing he's just a middle tier player.
On April 16 2014 18:54 myminerals wrote: Flash just does not enjoy the game. No wonder that after so much time of playing he's just a middle tier player.
On April 16 2014 18:43 Circumstance wrote: I can only think of one other player who has come within a dozen miles of having as much completely unjustified hype as Flash has, and that's Haypro.
It's not Flash's fault 9/10 SC2 games don't take multitasking into account.
Maru agrees and sits back to turtl-
Wait
No
Fantasy never multidrops or attacks!
TY, Supernova, Life, Soulkey, Roro, MMA, Dear are all aberrations of our imagination.
notice how only one of these illusions plays Protoss
On April 16 2014 18:54 myminerals wrote: Flash just does not enjoy the game. No wonder that after so much time of playing he's just a middle tier player.
He plays Brood War in PL then?
He works and earns money -_-
And in GSL he's on vacation? Lol.
what are you trying to say? He does not enjoy SC2, he pointed it out in his interviews several times, so either he was lying or he's just plainly earning the living being a progamer.
Out of curiosity, were there any players as aggressive as Shine at such a competitive level in BW? Like, were there any notorious all-iners who could routinely take down a player like Flash?
On April 16 2014 18:54 myminerals wrote: Flash just does not enjoy the game. No wonder that after so much time of playing he's just a middle tier player.
He plays Brood War in PL then?
He works and earns money -_-
That doesn't explain why he's good in PL if we are to believe your theory. Does he enjoy SC2 while playing in PL?
On April 16 2014 18:58 pure.Wasted wrote: Out of curiosity, were there any players as aggressive as Shine at such a competitive level in BW? Like, were there any notorious all-iners who could routinely take down a player like Flash?
On April 16 2014 18:58 pure.Wasted wrote: Out of curiosity, were there any players as aggressive as Shine at such a competitive level in BW? Like, were there any notorious all-iners who could routinely take down a player like Flash?
Kwanro, but he would never take down Flash. Only JD could take down Flash in all-in and on a good day. JD was not an all-iner though...
On April 16 2014 18:58 pure.Wasted wrote: Out of curiosity, were there any players as aggressive as Shine at such a competitive level in BW? Like, were there any notorious all-iners who could routinely take down a player like Flash?
On April 16 2014 19:03 Musicus wrote: Can somebody tell me if Frost on the ladder is forced cross position? I kept scouting all the spots yesterday and they were always cross.
On April 16 2014 19:03 Musicus wrote: Can somebody tell me if Frost on the ladder is forced cross position? I kept scouting all the spots yesterday and they were always cross.
Oh I've played this scenario dozens of time. Go 2 base nydus, proxy a spire. When they push out, you nydus tnear them force them back and then shark around then go mutas and win the base race.
On April 16 2014 19:04 stuchiu wrote: Oh I've played this scenario dozens of time. Go 2 base nydus, proxy a spire. When they push out, you nydus tnear them force them back and then shark around then go mutas and win the base race.
why the fuck wouldn't you do a normal sentry/immortal with 3immortals when you get that far ahead??? WHY, WHY, WHY? It's like a freewin, regardless of what the zerg does after a failed 10pool...
On April 16 2014 19:08 Big J wrote: why the fuck wouldn't you do a normal sentry/immortal with 3immortals when you get that far ahead??? WHY, WHY, WHY? It's like a freewin, regardless of what the zerg does after a failed 10pool...
Shine carries a two-sided coin, which he flips before playing any game. On one side it says "play the worst strat imaginable and win." On the other it says "your opponent executes the worst way imaginable and you win."
When Flash plays Shine, the coin lands on its side.
On April 16 2014 19:09 sharkie wrote: Flash vs Panic
The battle of the horrible players - one of the might go to Code S lol
Your constant bashing is incredibly annoying.
that statement is fully based on today's games, look earlier in the thread where I said Flash will make it out of this group for sure
But then game2 happened...
Yay, Flash is Bronze level because he wasn't aware that proxy hatch at the gold into Roach all-in exists.
Think was more, he scouts see 3 drones on gas and no natural. Ok that makes no sense. Scouts for the hatch can't find it. Then he finally scouts 2nd hatch which is on gold base. Ok now he should be thinking wtf. Then he RE SCOUTS the main, he doesn't see the roach warren no, but he has seen only 4 lings on the map and STILL is 3 gas mining. THAT is where he should expecting a roach all in or a ling bane bust. He makes 3 marines and 1 bunker, and then throws everything into hellions. That was silly.
On April 16 2014 19:16 stuchiu wrote: You know, I'm still surprised he went cc first against Hydra.
He is like one of those players who goes in with a game plan and no matter what does not change it. SC2 is very reactionary, they all know every build and should use builds depending on what happens during the set. 1st game he goes 3 cc fair enough try it, 2nd game you should do the opposite especially when you pick Habitation Station xD
On April 16 2014 19:09 sharkie wrote: Flash vs Panic
The battle of the horrible players - one of the might go to Code S lol
Your constant bashing is incredibly annoying.
that statement is fully based on today's games, look earlier in the thread where I said Flash will make it out of this group for sure
But then game2 happened...
Yay, Flash is Bronze level because he wasn't aware that proxy hatch at the gold into Roach all-in exists.
Think was more, he scouts see 3 drones on gas and no natural. Ok that makes no sense. Scouts for the hatch can't find it. Then he finally scouts 2nd hatch which is on gold base. Ok now he should be thinking wtf. Then he RE SCOUTS the main, he doesn't see the roach warren no, but he has seen only 4 lings on the map and STILL is 3 gas mining. THAT is where he should expecting a roach all in or a ling bane bust. He makes 3 marines and 1 bunker, and then throws everything into hellions. That was silly.
But precisely, both of them require a different answer when you're playing CC rax gas. Against that proxy Roach attack, you would rather skip the Reactor, fill in your Bunker and build a Mine. Against the bane bust, you want Reactor Hellions because he won't have enough banes to force the second wall and you'll need Hellions to secure again your natural. He chose Reactor Hellions (blindly because he cannot know) and lost. That's it.
Does anyone else find the recruit msg really funny?
For the first thing you should give them your "contact point" and a "introductory of yourself", for the second thing however they just want your resume.
On April 16 2014 19:09 sharkie wrote: Flash vs Panic
The battle of the horrible players - one of the might go to Code S lol
Your constant bashing is incredibly annoying.
that statement is fully based on today's games, look earlier in the thread where I said Flash will make it out of this group for sure
But then game2 happened...
Yay, Flash is Bronze level because he wasn't aware that proxy hatch at the gold into Roach all-in exists.
Think was more, he scouts see 3 drones on gas and no natural. Ok that makes no sense. Scouts for the hatch can't find it. Then he finally scouts 2nd hatch which is on gold base. Ok now he should be thinking wtf. Then he RE SCOUTS the main, he doesn't see the roach warren no, but he has seen only 4 lings on the map and STILL is 3 gas mining. THAT is where he should expecting a roach all in or a ling bane bust. He makes 3 marines and 1 bunker, and then throws everything into hellions. That was silly.
But precisely, both of them require a different answer when you're playing CC rax gas. Against that proxy Roach attack, you would rather skip the Reactor, fill in your Bunker and build a Mine. Against the bane bust, you want Reactor Hellions because he won't have enough banes to force the second wall and you'll need Hellions to secure again your natural. He chose Reactor Hellions (blindly because he cannot know) and lost. That's it.
Minese counter everything, he choose hellions which you need 6+ to defend a ling bane big amount. The roach rush hits earlier i guess but it still is bad reactions. He also should of been defending high ground not low ground. 2 mines on the ramp to main and that does CRAZY damage.
On April 16 2014 19:23 Babru wrote: Does anyone else find the recruit msg really funny?
For the first thing you should give them your "contact point" and a "introductory of yourself", for the second thing however they just want your resume.
Flash should have just sacked his natural and float his cc to main +bunker and mines@main ramp after seeing no natural by hydra +gas, trying to defend his natural and spending so much mineral on walling his natural was a mistake imo
On April 16 2014 19:09 sharkie wrote: Flash vs Panic
The battle of the horrible players - one of the might go to Code S lol
Your constant bashing is incredibly annoying.
that statement is fully based on today's games, look earlier in the thread where I said Flash will make it out of this group for sure
But then game2 happened...
Yay, Flash is Bronze level because he wasn't aware that proxy hatch at the gold into Roach all-in exists.
Think was more, he scouts see 3 drones on gas and no natural. Ok that makes no sense. Scouts for the hatch can't find it. Then he finally scouts 2nd hatch which is on gold base. Ok now he should be thinking wtf. Then he RE SCOUTS the main, he doesn't see the roach warren no, but he has seen only 4 lings on the map and STILL is 3 gas mining. THAT is where he should expecting a roach all in or a ling bane bust. He makes 3 marines and 1 bunker, and then throws everything into hellions. That was silly.
But precisely, both of them require a different answer when you're playing CC rax gas. Against that proxy Roach attack, you would rather skip the Reactor, fill in your Bunker and build a Mine. Against the bane bust, you want Reactor Hellions because he won't have enough banes to force the second wall and you'll need Hellions to secure again your natural. He chose Reactor Hellions (blindly because he cannot know) and lost. That's it.
Can't he just build a techlab instead of the reactor, get a tank out and hold his second ramp regardless of what he is facing. 2mins later he gets a freekill on the gold.
On April 16 2014 19:09 sharkie wrote: Flash vs Panic
The battle of the horrible players - one of the might go to Code S lol
Your constant bashing is incredibly annoying.
that statement is fully based on today's games, look earlier in the thread where I said Flash will make it out of this group for sure
But then game2 happened...
Yay, Flash is Bronze level because he wasn't aware that proxy hatch at the gold into Roach all-in exists.
Think was more, he scouts see 3 drones on gas and no natural. Ok that makes no sense. Scouts for the hatch can't find it. Then he finally scouts 2nd hatch which is on gold base. Ok now he should be thinking wtf. Then he RE SCOUTS the main, he doesn't see the roach warren no, but he has seen only 4 lings on the map and STILL is 3 gas mining. THAT is where he should expecting a roach all in or a ling bane bust. He makes 3 marines and 1 bunker, and then throws everything into hellions. That was silly.
But precisely, both of them require a different answer when you're playing CC rax gas. Against that proxy Roach attack, you would rather skip the Reactor, fill in your Bunker and build a Mine. Against the bane bust, you want Reactor Hellions because he won't have enough banes to force the second wall and you'll need Hellions to secure again your natural. He chose Reactor Hellions (blindly because he cannot know) and lost. That's it.
Minese counter everything, he choose hellions which you need 6+ to defend a ling bane big amount. The roach rush hits earlier i guess but it still is bad reactions. He also should of been defending high ground not low ground. 2 mines on the ramp to main and that does CRAZY damage.
No, Mines make you lose against a bane bust. Zerg triggers them with one ling and you have nothing left to fight lings when they enter your base.
On April 16 2014 19:22 negativedge wrote: odamn, immediate shit talking about flash from wolftosis. din't see that coming
they should mention how he was the best player in the world at the hardest game in the world
Everyone made fun of JD for a year, apparently his previous accomplishments, which helped create the soil for Sc2 to even exist, didn't count for much. Such is the internet I suppose.
On April 16 2014 19:09 sharkie wrote: Flash vs Panic
The battle of the horrible players - one of the might go to Code S lol
Your constant bashing is incredibly annoying.
that statement is fully based on today's games, look earlier in the thread where I said Flash will make it out of this group for sure
But then game2 happened...
Yay, Flash is Bronze level because he wasn't aware that proxy hatch at the gold into Roach all-in exists.
Think was more, he scouts see 3 drones on gas and no natural. Ok that makes no sense. Scouts for the hatch can't find it. Then he finally scouts 2nd hatch which is on gold base. Ok now he should be thinking wtf. Then he RE SCOUTS the main, he doesn't see the roach warren no, but he has seen only 4 lings on the map and STILL is 3 gas mining. THAT is where he should expecting a roach all in or a ling bane bust. He makes 3 marines and 1 bunker, and then throws everything into hellions. That was silly.
But precisely, both of them require a different answer when you're playing CC rax gas. Against that proxy Roach attack, you would rather skip the Reactor, fill in your Bunker and build a Mine. Against the bane bust, you want Reactor Hellions because he won't have enough banes to force the second wall and you'll need Hellions to secure again your natural. He chose Reactor Hellions (blindly because he cannot know) and lost. That's it.
Can't he just build a techlab instead of the reactor, get a tank out and hold his second ramp regardless of what he is facing. 2mins later he gets a freekill on the gold.
I'm almost sure the Tank would be too late for the secondary ramp. It would be out around the time the first Hellions are out and I think Shine came before that.
On April 16 2014 19:32 sparklyresidue wrote: So was Hydra vs. Flash Hydra playing well or Flash being mediocre?
Game 1; Flash goes 3 CC off 1 rax. He then gets hit with a roach bane bust which kills 30 workers. Then a 25minute macro game of Mech vs Everything as Hydra sat with 5k 5k after like 20mins. Eventually Hydra kills Flash. Game 2, Flash goes 1rax CC and gets hit with a gold proxy from Hydra for a 7RR and dies to it.
On April 16 2014 19:32 sparklyresidue wrote: So was Hydra vs. Flash Hydra playing well or Flash being mediocre?
Game 1; Flash goes 3 CC off 1 rax. He then gets hit with a roach bane bust which kills 30 workers. Then a 25minute macro game of Mech vs Everything as Hydra sat with 5k 5k after like 20mins. Eventually Hydra kills Flash. Game 2, Flash goes 1rax CC and gets hit with a gold proxy from Hydra for a 7RR and dies to it.
First game was mech vs. SH, second game was random cheese/possibly BO loss. Can I say neither?
Pardon my binary ignorance, looks like he just got greedypunished. Thanks for recaps!
I think you either like the Marvel movies or not. This one wasn't worse or better than the rest I think. No reason not to watch it if you like the type of movie. It's very Avenger like, if you liked that one.
On April 16 2014 19:48 TrumpetWilli wrote: What the heck how fast did game 2 oh Hydra vs. Shine go?! I couldn't watch for maybe 5 Minutes and the Game was over, what was going on?
Fail 10pool bane bust from Shine game 1 Fail mass ling bane all in game 2
On April 16 2014 19:48 TrumpetWilli wrote: What the heck how fast did game 2 oh Hydra vs. Shine go?! I couldn't watch for maybe 5 Minutes and the Game was over, what was going on?
Fail 10pool bane bust from Shine game 1 Fail mass ling bane all in game 2
That actually looked like Panic has never tried this before and was thinking "Hmm, I wonder if this many Oracles kill this many Marines!" "Nope, guess not."
How do you think Flash saves people from drowning in the blink of an eye? He's in disguise, duh. He plays starcraft in his spare time because it's the only game where he can actually use his 8000 APM.
How do you think Flash saves people from drowning in the blink of an eye? He's in disguise, duh. He plays starcraft in his spare time because it's the only game where he can actually use his 8000 APM.
OH SHIT. I did not know this I thought he was THE HOFF in his spare time (i heard he was a life guard aka BAY WATCH MAN!!)
On April 16 2014 19:58 Pandemona wrote: Maybe yeah, BURROW YOUR WIDOW MINES God dammit Flash
You can lift burrowed mines...
OH ok that is fucking stupid
meh, sieged tanks are also liftable.
True, but at least they are asking for it xD Burrowed minese are underground out of the way of everyone, to be able to get them lifted like that seems a bit bm
On April 16 2014 19:58 teamamerica wrote: Everytime I watch Flash play SC2, I wish I could forget he ever played BW. Wtf is he doing?
Winning, you just don't get this game.
Sure he might win this game but he was ahead from the opening (oracle/stalker did no dmg?) and seemed to throw away some units. And his series vs Hydra leaves a lot to be desired too.
On April 16 2014 19:58 Pandemona wrote: Maybe yeah, BURROW YOUR WIDOW MINES God dammit Flash
You can lift burrowed mines...
OH ok that is fucking stupid
meh, sieged tanks are also liftable.
True, but at least they are asking for it xD Burrowed minese are underground out of the way of everyone, to be able to get them lifted like that seems a bit bm
They lift our swarmhosts, they lift your Broodlords, deal with it!
On April 16 2014 19:58 Pandemona wrote: Maybe yeah, BURROW YOUR WIDOW MINES God dammit Flash
You can lift burrowed mines...
OH ok that is fucking stupid
meh, sieged tanks are also liftable.
True, but at least they are asking for it xD Burrowed minese are underground out of the way of everyone, to be able to get them lifted like that seems a bit bm
They lift our swarmhosts, they lift your Broodlords, deal with it!
Damn you Blizzard, damn you Phoenix gravitation beam!
Will we see the 4th consecutive 2-0 of tonight's group or will we finally see a close series?!
On April 16 2014 19:58 Pandemona wrote: Maybe yeah, BURROW YOUR WIDOW MINES God dammit Flash
You can lift burrowed mines...
OH ok that is fucking stupid
meh, sieged tanks are also liftable.
True, but at least they are asking for it xD Burrowed minese are underground out of the way of everyone, to be able to get them lifted like that seems a bit bm
On April 16 2014 19:58 Pandemona wrote: Maybe yeah, BURROW YOUR WIDOW MINES God dammit Flash
You can lift burrowed mines...
OH ok that is fucking stupid
meh, sieged tanks are also liftable.
True, but at least they are asking for it xD Burrowed minese are underground out of the way of everyone, to be able to get them lifted like that seems a bit bm
they lift your Broodlords
What?
It's like the only counter toss has when terran goes mass BL.
On April 16 2014 19:58 teamamerica wrote: Everytime I watch Flash play SC2, I wish I could forget he ever played BW. Wtf is he doing?
Winning, you just don't get this game.
Sure he might win this game but he was ahead from the opening (oracle/stalker did no dmg?) and seemed to throw away some units. And his series vs Hydra leaves a lot to be desired too.
He didn't throw away stuff. He traded whilst building an insurmountable lead in economy.
On April 16 2014 19:58 Pandemona wrote: Maybe yeah, BURROW YOUR WIDOW MINES God dammit Flash
You can lift burrowed mines...
OH ok that is fucking stupid
meh, sieged tanks are also liftable.
True, but at least they are asking for it xD Burrowed minese are underground out of the way of everyone, to be able to get them lifted like that seems a bit bm
They lift our swarmhosts, they lift your Broodlords, deal with it!
I remember the first time a phoenix lifted my burrowed infestors, I was dumbfounded.
On April 16 2014 19:58 Pandemona wrote: Maybe yeah, BURROW YOUR WIDOW MINES God dammit Flash
You can lift burrowed mines...
OH ok that is fucking stupid
meh, sieged tanks are also liftable.
True, but at least they are asking for it xD Burrowed minese are underground out of the way of everyone, to be able to get them lifted like that seems a bit bm
On April 16 2014 19:58 Pandemona wrote: Maybe yeah, BURROW YOUR WIDOW MINES God dammit Flash
You can lift burrowed mines...
OH ok that is fucking stupid
meh, sieged tanks are also liftable.
landed vikings being liftable is the pinnacle of dumb though.
Do they weight more than tanks? They should be able to transform though. Like "surprise motherfucker, you just picked up a bucket of ass pain"
That should work for tanks too though, if nothing else it would be hilarious. Picking up a siege tank, feel all suave, then catch a mjolnir artillery shell to the face at point blank.
On April 16 2014 20:09 Qwerty85 wrote: owned so hard must have been intimidated by Flash persona
Flash went all Demuslim on on him and threatened to beat Panic to death with his dick. Only with Flash, it's actually a legitimate threat.
After his ceremony against Stork, people are scared what he will do next.
I missed that, and people keep talking about it, which infuriates and enrages me beyond reason.
Here i posted it earlier in the thread
On April 16 2014 17:45 Pandemona wrote: Yeah i didn't like the twitching ones xD seems like people were making fun of him more than anything YOU CANNOT MAKE FUN OF GOD!!! Especially sword weilding god; https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=689351971125423
On April 16 2014 20:25 Pandemona wrote: Out of question, that the first time we saw Flash do that kind of cheese? I not seen him do an 11/11 before is that the closet we have come? 8/8/8?
888 has just fallen out of fashion, I am reasonably certain he did it closer to HotS release when it was more in vogue.
On April 16 2014 20:25 Pandemona wrote: Out of question, that the first time we saw Flash do that kind of cheese? I not seen him do an 11/11 before is that the closet we have come? 8/8/8?
On April 16 2014 19:10 pure.Wasted wrote: Shine carries a two-sided coin, which he flips before playing any game. On one side it says "play the worst strat imaginable and win." On the other it says "your opponent executes the worst way imaginable and you win."
When Flash plays Shine, the coin lands on its side.
On April 16 2014 19:10 pure.Wasted wrote: Shine carries a two-sided coin, which he flips before playing any game. On one side it says "play the worst strat imaginable and win." On the other it says "your opponent executes the worst way imaginable and you win."
When Flash plays Shine, the coin lands on its side.
Gentlemen, I'll be here all week.
Thank christ were already half way through the week
On April 16 2014 19:10 pure.Wasted wrote: Shine carries a two-sided coin, which he flips before playing any game. On one side it says "play the worst strat imaginable and win." On the other it says "your opponent executes the worst way imaginable and you win."
When Flash plays Shine, the coin lands on its side.
Gentlemen, I'll be here all week.
Thank christ were already half way through the week
Oh in England this week is bank holiday so only 1 more day to go :3
On April 16 2014 19:10 pure.Wasted wrote: Shine carries a two-sided coin, which he flips before playing any game. On one side it says "play the worst strat imaginable and win." On the other it says "your opponent executes the worst way imaginable and you win."
When Flash plays Shine, the coin lands on its side.
Gentlemen, I'll be here all week.
Thank christ were already half way through the week
Oh in England this week is bank holiday so only 1 more day to go :3
You can't delete time just because it suits the bank. Jeez britania
On April 16 2014 19:10 pure.Wasted wrote: Shine carries a two-sided coin, which he flips before playing any game. On one side it says "play the worst strat imaginable and win." On the other it says "your opponent executes the worst way imaginable and you win."
When Flash plays Shine, the coin lands on its side.
Gentlemen, I'll be here all week.
Thank christ were already half way through the week
Oh in England this week is bank holiday so only 1 more day to go :3
Yeah well working week is the same for us too, tomorrow is the last day until till Tuesday for me, and next Friday is ANZAC day for us Aussies
On April 16 2014 19:10 pure.Wasted wrote: Shine carries a two-sided coin, which he flips before playing any game. On one side it says "play the worst strat imaginable and win." On the other it says "your opponent executes the worst way imaginable and you win."
When Flash plays Shine, the coin lands on its side.
Gentlemen, I'll be here all week.
Thank christ were already half way through the week
I don't understand. Even Artosis and Wolf knew this was comming, how can Flash not be prepared for this. And also, the early scout and spotting of build, wtf is this.
Well he just gave him a free win. WTF Flash? I mean, even if he plays a bit too safe, he would still win in a macro game even if he is slightly behind from the start.
Flash playing like this against pretty obvious allins is on par with protoss expanding and teching up against 1base terran lifting to gold on habitation station. I just don't understand how it makes sense to them.
On April 16 2014 20:33 nunun wrote: I don't understand. Even Artosis and Wolf knew this was comming, how can Flash not be prepared for this. And also, the early scout and spotting of build, wtf is this.
Maybe he thinks, since I scouted him, he won't do it right? The inca effect!
On April 16 2014 20:29 Big J wrote: So what's Shine's plan here?
Why do you ask? Deep down yourself, you know the answer already. (:
He completely metagamed me. Like, choose a map that you don't want to choose in this matchup, so that I would expect something very special. Then he just played completely Shine-standard.
On April 16 2014 20:34 Mafab wrote: I just started watching. Liquipedia says that Shine and Hydra are in the winner match, and Flash is 0-1. How come they are playing right now?
Shine lost the winner match and 2 people have to be eliminated from a group.
On April 16 2014 20:33 nunun wrote: I don't understand. Even Artosis and Wolf knew this was comming, how can Flash not be prepared for this. And also, the early scout and spotting of build, wtf is this.
Maybe he thinks, since I scouted him, he won't do it right? The inca effect!
LMAO
Oh mighty InCa my favorite player of all time, how his name still rings the halls of all Starcraft discussion <33 You will forever be in the HALL OF FAME
this is THE most frustrating thing to watch in RTS. i could never be a fan of a player like Flash who just so obviously is completely incapable of adapting to anything. reminds me of Sky in war3, although he got better at it after a while of getting facerolled.
On April 16 2014 19:10 pure.Wasted wrote: Shine carries a two-sided coin, which he flips before playing any game. On one side it says "play the worst strat imaginable and win." On the other it says "your opponent executes the worst way imaginable and you win."
When Flash plays Shine, the coin lands on its side.
Gentlemen, I'll be here all week.
Thank christ were already half way through the week
I never said I was leaving after. :D
hahaha oh lord
Edit: I'm not even 1% religious and you made me address Him twice.
On April 16 2014 20:35 TheDwf wrote: There's just this magical aura around Roach users like bly, Tefel, Shine, etc. They always seem to make their opponents forget how they play.
On April 16 2014 20:35 TheDwf wrote: There's just this magical aura around Roach users like bly, Tefel, Shine, etc. They always seem to make their opponents forget how they play.
On April 16 2014 19:09 sharkie wrote: Flash vs Panic
The battle of the horrible players - one of the might go to Code S lol
Your constant bashing is incredibly annoying.
that statement is fully based on today's games, look earlier in the thread where I said Flash will make it out of this group for sure
But then game2 happened...
Yay, Flash is Bronze level because he wasn't aware that proxy hatch at the gold into Roach all-in exists.
No because he could have lost this game because of his fail wall
Wow, he missclicked one time in an opening that requires constant babysitting of Reapers, he's literally the worst player of the earht.
Explain game 2 to me please
Come on man, he got blindsided by a roach bust, no amount of skill could save him there. Should he have scouted/expected it? Absolutely. But he didn't lose because his actual play was badly executed.
What I really wanna see: Flash going 1base 4rax, makes 20marauders and never builds a second CC. He just floats the one CC around until Shine's two bases are mined out and every roach ever born has died.
On April 16 2014 20:38 Big J wrote: What I really wanna see: Flash going 1base 4rax, makes 20marauders and never builds a second CC. He just floats the one CC around until Shine's two bases are mined out and every roach ever born has died.
Then Shine would metagame this by actually playing macro and people would get mad at Flash for cheesing.
Artosis is actually making me a fan of Shine. I thought he had stopped shitting on pros like this. Remember when he managed to get everyone to hate Polt? Don't trust his judgement anymore.
On April 16 2014 20:56 liberate71 wrote: This is one of those groups where only one person deserved to get out, but we had to have two... and I love Flash
I'm happy he's through, but I fear another Ro32 exit is coming.
On April 16 2014 20:56 liberate71 wrote: This is one of those groups where only one person deserved to get out, but we had to have two... and I love Flash
I'm happy he's through, but I fear another Ro32 exit is coming.
On April 16 2014 20:56 liberate71 wrote: This is one of those groups where only one person deserved to get out, but we had to have two... and I love Flash
I'm happy he's through, but I fear another Ro32 exit is coming.
No, two people definitely deserved to get out judging from this game
I've never seen a terran win with bio on cross positions of this map after the mine nerf. But Shine might actually make enough mistakes to make it happen
What is with this game? I already thought it would be an insta-win for flash because shine went into an unexpected macro game....turns out he's having trouble
On April 16 2014 20:56 liberate71 wrote: This is one of those groups where only one person deserved to get out, but we had to have two... and I love Flash
I'm happy he's through, but I fear another Ro32 exit is coming.
On April 16 2014 20:58 iremnant3847 wrote: What is with this game? I already thought it would be an insta-win for flash because shine went into an unexpected macro game....turns out he's having trouble
Just because Shine often cheeses doesn't mean he's crap in macro.
Flash is cursed when it comes to Code S or something. But was a nice game. Oh and if you always cheese you are good with small groups of units most likely, so the aim of the macro game is to get to low eco again .
On April 16 2014 21:00 Dodgin wrote: infestor/bl lol
Infestor/bl/ultra, Nestea lives on.
He actually did that engagement better than Nestea would. Nestea would send all his broods alone, lose them, after that Flash would just fight against those infestors and a few ultras.
On April 16 2014 21:04 Lunareste wrote: I'd be mad if Shine cheesed Flash out, I'm actually okay that he beat him straight up. You win some, you lose some.
I wouldnt be mad even if he cheesed Flash out. Being stupid enough to go 3cc in every game would have deserved to get punished. Specially against players which are known to cheese quite often
This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
On April 16 2014 21:04 Big J wrote: To be fair, Flash never had a chance. #Terrans in Code S is already capped at 3.
Haha. I think we might get 4 with tomorrow's group but it probably won't go much further. I thought we would have 7-8 Terrans this season but I was just too optimistic.
On April 16 2014 21:05 Qwerty85 wrote: I just dont get it. His PL performance is at least Code S worthy. How the hell did he not advance out of this group....
Different preparation I guess, or bad day/week. A lot of players have flawless SPL performance while doing quite bad in Code S/A.
On April 16 2014 21:00 Daswollvieh wrote: lol Flash, he´s just not Code S material.
He did beat Maru the other day and is one of the best players in proleague. If guys like Paralyze and Yonghwa are Code S material then the term is pretty meaningless.
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
On April 16 2014 21:05 Qwerty85 wrote: I just dont get it. His PL performance is at least Code S worthy. How the hell did he not advance out of this group....
so is creator and he didn't even make code a *shrug. PL and GSL seem to be a bit different
On April 16 2014 21:05 Qwerty85 wrote: I just dont get it. His PL performance is at least Code S worthy. How the hell did he not advance out of this group....
Different preparation I guess, or bad day/week. A lot of players have flawless SPL performance while doing quite bad in Code S/A.
Its his consistency which is scary. (I mean the not winning anything in single 1v1)
On April 16 2014 21:00 Daswollvieh wrote: lol Flash, he´s just not Code S material.
He did beat Maru the other day and is one of the best players in proleague. If guys like Paralyze and Yonghwa are Code S material then the term is pretty meaningless.
All depends on the Code A group you get though, sometimes you have groups where 3 players are really good. Sometimes you have groups where noone deserves to advance
On April 16 2014 21:04 Big J wrote: To be fair, Flash never had a chance. #Terrans in Code S is already capped at 3.
Haha. I think we might get 4 with tomorrow's group but it probably won't go much further. I thought we would have 7-8 Terrans this season but I was just too optimistic.
On April 02 2014 13:16 pure.Wasted wrote: Terran players got basically ideal groups. But I still think people are being optimistic about their chances. I don't see more than 4 of them making it out
Would have been happy to be wrong, but the meta hasn't changed nearly enough for that to be the case.
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
He just never attacked, he let the zerg threaten to counter him when he should have just go full macro mode push until zerg die...
wow i think flash completely lost his confidence after his first loss to hydra. he didn't look confident that hole game. hopefully he won't let this affect his PL performance. he was looking so strong in his PL games...
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
On April 16 2014 21:05 Qwerty85 wrote: I just dont get it. His PL performance is at least Code S worthy. How the hell did he not advance out of this group....
He had a negative record in round 2, which isn't exactly Code S worthy. Also PL is bo1, so it isn't indicator whether or not players have a clue about how to pick strats in a longer series.
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
Because Flash donated all of his hellions...
That is true, I said already that it was quite terrible play from Flash to lose all of them like that.
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
Because Flash donated all of his hellions...
Traded them against 30 lings.* And you can't do anything against 5 queens 30 lings with 3 Reapers 6 Hellions anyway, so had this trade not occurred Shine would have kept droning as well. When a Terran opens triple OC dual EB Zerg is always free to get 70-75 drones.
sigh. gonna wait for months again to see flash try win gsl only to fail to qualify code s. i'm getting old flash get it together. at least there's still mvp. aw fuck. well there's still have fantasy.
why won't flash get tanks anymore for early def? they are my favorite units. i wish terrans used tanks as defensive towers that you can move around for better positioning. i mean just use some for defense and leave them at home.
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
Because Flash donated all of his hellions...
Traded them against 30 lings.* And you can't do anything against 5 queens 30 lings with 3 Reapers 6 Hellions anyway, so had this trade not occurred Shine would have kept droning as well. When a Terran opens triple OC dual EB Zerg is always free to get 70-75 drones.
Flash really did triple CC into double ebay in game 3 as well? Man so Flash even had the better build than Shine and still lost a macro game o.O
On April 16 2014 21:00 Daswollvieh wrote: lol Flash, he´s just not Code S material.
He did beat Maru the other day and is one of the best players in proleague. If guys like Paralyze and Yonghwa are Code S material then the term is pretty meaningless.
He beat Maru in a bo1; that tells pretty much nothing. Russian Prtoss DMC defeated Jaedong in a bo1 in some Go4. Does this make him Premier League material as well?
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
Because Flash donated all of his hellions...
Traded them against 30 lings.* And you can't do anything against 5 queens 30 lings with 3 Reapers 6 Hellions anyway, so had this trade not occurred Shine would have kept droning as well. When a Terran opens triple OC dual EB Zerg is always free to get 70-75 drones.
Flash really did triple CC into double ebay in game 3 as well? Man so Flash even had the better build than Shine and still lost a macro game o.O
He didn't have a better build at all, what are you even talking about...
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
Because Flash donated all of his hellions...
Yep, after Shine managed to kill Flash hellions, he had perfect map control and then he perfectly exploited the rather big map to prevent any push for long enough to get lots of bases and then his eco was just too strong to overcome.
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
Because Flash donated all of his hellions...
Traded them against 30 lings.* And you can't do anything against 5 queens 30 lings with 3 Reapers 6 Hellions anyway, so had this trade not occurred Shine would have kept droning as well. When a Terran opens triple OC dual EB Zerg is always free to get 70-75 drones.
Flash really did triple CC into double ebay in game 3 as well? Man so Flash even had the better build than Shine and still lost a macro game o.O
He didn't have a better build at all, what are you even talking about...
Triple CC double ebay is the greediest build terran can go for...
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
Because Flash donated all of his hellions...
Traded them against 30 lings.* And you can't do anything against 5 queens 30 lings with 3 Reapers 6 Hellions anyway, so had this trade not occurred Shine would have kept droning as well. When a Terran opens triple OC dual EB Zerg is always free to get 70-75 drones.
Flash really did triple CC into double ebay in game 3 as well? Man so Flash even had the better build than Shine and still lost a macro game o.O
That's completely standard. Doing something else is what isn't standard with bio.
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
Because Flash donated all of his hellions...
Traded them against 30 lings.* And you can't do anything against 5 queens 30 lings with 3 Reapers 6 Hellions anyway, so had this trade not occurred Shine would have kept droning as well. When a Terran opens triple OC dual EB Zerg is always free to get 70-75 drones.
Flash really did triple CC into double ebay in game 3 as well? Man so Flash even had the better build than Shine and still lost a macro game o.O
He didn't have a better build at all, what are you even talking about...
Triple CC double ebay is the greediest build terran can go for...
Cut out the hellions and reapers (with a CC first) and make it double armory Mech instead of bio. Then we are talking greedy Terran.
On April 16 2014 21:05 MrCon wrote: This scenario is common, cheese then when the opponent picks a perfect safe macro map, play greedy and fuck him....this has happened so many times in code A over the years that this was really disappointing by Flash to get owned by it >< That game 2 is unforgivable, even me knew Shine would cheese just by tuning in 5mn before the game, how could Flash not.
Shine didn't play greedy. It was a completely fair and even macro game in game3. Flash even had better upgrades all game
Well he was at 74 drones very early, he could spam lings without damaging his eco because of this. It was not extreme greed, but it was the perfect zerg undisturbed early game that every zerg dream of.
Because Flash donated all of his hellions...
Traded them against 30 lings.* And you can't do anything against 5 queens 30 lings with 3 Reapers 6 Hellions anyway, so had this trade not occurred Shine would have kept droning as well. When a Terran opens triple OC dual EB Zerg is always free to get 70-75 drones.
Flash really did triple CC into double ebay in game 3 as well? Man so Flash even had the better build than Shine and still lost a macro game o.O
He didn't have a better build at all, what are you even talking about...
Triple CC double ebay is the greediest build terran can go for...
Quad hatch double evo is the greediest build Zerg can go for... Almost 2 years after the Queen patch and you're still unaware of what Terran standard has become?
The most importatnt thing is that people will always like Flash and Flash will always try hard to win games for his fans, YES he can not get to Code S but his SPL record shows that he is not bad and you must always remember that hard work will never betray like in cases with herO, Zest, RorO and soO.
On April 16 2014 21:05 Qwerty85 wrote: I just dont get it. His PL performance is at least Code S worthy. How the hell did he not advance out of this group....
Different preparation I guess, or bad day/week. A lot of players have flawless SPL performance while doing quite bad in Code S/A.
Like who? I can only think of Ty but I think he will crush face now that he actually got past the qualifier.
On April 16 2014 21:05 Qwerty85 wrote: I just dont get it. His PL performance is at least Code S worthy. How the hell did he not advance out of this group....
Different preparation I guess, or bad day/week. A lot of players have flawless SPL performance while doing quite bad in Code S/A.
Like who? I can only think of Ty but I think he will crush face now that he actually got past the qualifier.
Flash is like the Bomber Law that appear b4 him . .
He always get my hope up. Go into Code A . And then give outstanding performance as if going to advance. Then he fail . . falls . .back to code B . . .
On April 16 2014 21:05 Qwerty85 wrote: I just dont get it. His PL performance is at least Code S worthy. How the hell did he not advance out of this group....
Different preparation I guess, or bad day/week. A lot of players have flawless SPL performance while doing quite bad in Code S/A.
Like who? I can only think of Ty but I think he will crush face now that he actually got past the qualifier.
Yet I wouldn't be surprised if SuperNova sends him to the loser match, where Choya would just cheese him twice, and back to Code B.
Idk, I guess Flash is under a lot of pressure to show results in individual league so he gets very nervous. I don't remember him getting supply blocked in his PL games but in the last game against Shine he had at least 3 pretty hard supply blocks.
Shine's control was crap but he had some nice ideas, like luring Flash in to that top left base, or small baneling attacks at the right time. If his execution had been better it would have been a rather good game.
I have a clanmate who's favourite player is Flash and least favourite is Shine. I was like "LOL how mad will you be if Shine beats Flash for the last Code S spot?!" but like...I was joking. It actually happened?! LOL. My liquibet got a bit fucked up but I don't even care.
[9:11:03 PM] Andrew 'NaMeK': flash better rek the nerd or im just going to kill myself [10:00:31 PM] Andrew 'NaMeK': jesus fucking christ [10:00:34 PM] Andrew 'NaMeK' : im done [10:00:38 PM] Andrew 'NaMeK': fuck you shine [10:00:44 PM] Andrew 'NaMeK': i hate you freaking scumbag [10:00:58 PM] Andrew 'NaMeK': go and suck a bag of dicks you fuckwit
I do honestly feel bad for Flash though, however amusing my clanmate's rage might be
On April 16 2014 22:08 RPR_Tempest wrote: I have a clanmate who's favourite player is Flash and least favourite is Shine. I was like "LOL how mad will you be if Shine beats Flash for the last Code S spot?!" but like...I was joking. It actually happened?! LOL. My liquibet got a bit fucked up but I don't even care.
I do honestly feel bad for Flash though, however amusing my clanmate's rage might be
Come on, don't post private conversations on a public forum.
On April 16 2014 21:00 Daswollvieh wrote: lol Flash, he´s just not Code S material.
He did beat Maru the other day and is one of the best players in proleague. If guys like Paralyze and Yonghwa are Code S material then the term is pretty meaningless.
On April 16 2014 22:08 RPR_Tempest wrote: I have a clanmate who's favourite player is Flash and least favourite is Shine. I was like "LOL how mad will you be if Shine beats Flash for the last Code S spot?!" but like...I was joking. It actually happened?! LOL. My liquibet got a bit fucked up but I don't even care.
I do honestly feel bad for Flash though, however amusing my clanmate's rage might be
Come on, don't post private conversations on a public forum.
I had his permission, obviously. What exactly do you take me for?
On April 16 2014 21:30 Qwerty85 wrote: Idk, I guess Flash is under a lot of pressure to show results in individual league so he gets very nervous. I don't remember him getting supply blocked in his PL games but in the last game against Shine he had at least 3 pretty hard supply blocks.
Even the proxy reaper game that he won, didn't he miss placed his supply depot and lost a lot of VCS against 5 ling? That was... kinda bad.
Flash should switch race or quit playing. He is mechanical beast but terran don't fits him very well. I mean, if he cant own this group how he can hope to regain BW reputation.
Wow, just came back home to see that Flash helped Bisu do what he no longer can (dying to Shine). As usual, the comments are hilarious. Every time Flash wins, he's the first SC2 bonjwa waiting to happen, and everyone knew he had it in him. Every time he loses, he's a washed out and predictable progamer whose SC2 fame only derives from his BW exploits.
Hopefully Flash can stop being stubborn with his singular build now and start not being so greedy with his builds.
Reaper expand into 3 CC into getting crushed by roach all-in is something that happened to him a lot after all. Oh well, good luck in the Code A qualifiers again, Flash.
lololol Shine strikes again, now with Bisu in retirement it looks like he needs other targets to keep his reputation as one of the most hated players in SC2.
Just watched the vods. Flash has only himself to blame for not advancing. Even with my Shine/Khan/lolbisuosl glasses on, it's clear that Shine's ZvT is quite bad and not worthy of being Code S from a skills standpoint. If Flash had even played just normal, he should've won that series easily.
On April 17 2014 10:29 baubo wrote: Just watched the vods. Flash has only himself to blame for not advancing. Even with my Shine/Khan/lolbisuosl glasses on, it's clear that Shine's ZvT is quite bad and not worthy of being Code S from a skills standpoint. If Flash had even played just normal, he should've won that series easily.
Maybe FlasH has learned the unthinkable from Bisu? Or maybe he consume Bisu tricked him to consume his weakness
On April 17 2014 10:29 baubo wrote: Just watched the vods. Flash has only himself to blame for not advancing. Even with my Shine/Khan/lolbisuosl glasses on, it's clear that Shine's ZvT is quite bad and not worthy of being Code S from a skills standpoint. If Flash had even played just normal, he should've won that series easily.
Maybe FlasH has learned the unthinkable from Bisu? Or maybe he consume Bisu tricked him to consume his weakness
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