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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 21 2014 13:35 GMT
#2301
On February 21 2014 22:33 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:22 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:16 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:10 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:05 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:04 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:59 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:54 Salient wrote:
Cheese Terran advances. He will get what's coming to him.


Yeah, he will be put in group with the cheese Protosses, just depends on which one.

meh he won't beat Classic if they meet again and he also won't beat Rain. Will have it tough against herO and Parting. Should beat the others though, including all the possible tosses from other groups.


Yonghwa, Zest, Trap...

he should be favoured against them


Some would argue he was favored against Classic today.

Strangely, due to the lack of Ts in GSL and PL (we are seeing more Ts in Round 2), it is hard for us to gauge KR Protoss PvT if they don't travel to foreign events.

People claiming that have not watched Korean scene for a long time and also probably didn't watch IEM Cologne.


Classic did lose to Polt who lost to HerO. Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, he is definitely one of the best Protosses currently. But Maru was THE Terran. The only Terran doing well in both PL and Code S.


Maybe you were trying to argue a point but Polt looks a lot better than Maru currently in TvP (or any other terran for that matter ).


Was that before tonight's games or after? We were discussing who was favoured BEFORE the match.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 13:37:50
February 21 2014 13:36 GMT
#2302
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D

On February 21 2014 22:35 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:33 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:22 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:16 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:10 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:05 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:04 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:59 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:54 Salient wrote:
Cheese Terran advances. He will get what's coming to him.


Yeah, he will be put in group with the cheese Protosses, just depends on which one.

meh he won't beat Classic if they meet again and he also won't beat Rain. Will have it tough against herO and Parting. Should beat the others though, including all the possible tosses from other groups.


Yonghwa, Zest, Trap...

he should be favoured against them


Some would argue he was favored against Classic today.

Strangely, due to the lack of Ts in GSL and PL (we are seeing more Ts in Round 2), it is hard for us to gauge KR Protoss PvT if they don't travel to foreign events.

People claiming that have not watched Korean scene for a long time and also probably didn't watch IEM Cologne.


Classic did lose to Polt who lost to HerO. Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, he is definitely one of the best Protosses currently. But Maru was THE Terran. The only Terran doing well in both PL and Code S.


Maybe you were trying to argue a point but Polt looks a lot better than Maru currently in TvP (or any other terran for that matter ).


Was that before tonight's games or after? We were discussing who was favoured BEFORE the match.


Classic was favoured.
You should at least read a preview i guess.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 13:39:48
February 21 2014 13:38 GMT
#2303
On February 21 2014 22:35 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:33 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:22 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:16 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:10 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:05 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:04 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:59 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:54 Salient wrote:
Cheese Terran advances. He will get what's coming to him.


Yeah, he will be put in group with the cheese Protosses, just depends on which one.

meh he won't beat Classic if they meet again and he also won't beat Rain. Will have it tough against herO and Parting. Should beat the others though, including all the possible tosses from other groups.


Yonghwa, Zest, Trap...

he should be favoured against them


Some would argue he was favored against Classic today.

Strangely, due to the lack of Ts in GSL and PL (we are seeing more Ts in Round 2), it is hard for us to gauge KR Protoss PvT if they don't travel to foreign events.

People claiming that have not watched Korean scene for a long time and also probably didn't watch IEM Cologne.


Classic did lose to Polt who lost to HerO. Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, he is definitely one of the best Protosses currently. But Maru was THE Terran. The only Terran doing well in both PL and Code S.


Maybe you were trying to argue a point but Polt looks a lot better than Maru currently in TvP (or any other terran for that matter ).


Was that before tonight's games or after? We were discussing who was favoured BEFORE the match.


Before. I don't think Maru TvP ever looked that good. And Im not discussing whether Maru should be favored vs Classic. Just saying Polt is looking better, BEFORE today's matches.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 21 2014 13:38 GMT
#2304
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D


You forgot Zest, Trap and others.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 21 2014 13:39 GMT
#2305
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D

Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:35 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:33 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:22 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:16 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:10 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:05 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:04 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:59 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
[quote]

Yeah, he will be put in group with the cheese Protosses, just depends on which one.

meh he won't beat Classic if they meet again and he also won't beat Rain. Will have it tough against herO and Parting. Should beat the others though, including all the possible tosses from other groups.


Yonghwa, Zest, Trap...

he should be favoured against them


Some would argue he was favored against Classic today.

Strangely, due to the lack of Ts in GSL and PL (we are seeing more Ts in Round 2), it is hard for us to gauge KR Protoss PvT if they don't travel to foreign events.

People claiming that have not watched Korean scene for a long time and also probably didn't watch IEM Cologne.


Classic did lose to Polt who lost to HerO. Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, he is definitely one of the best Protosses currently. But Maru was THE Terran. The only Terran doing well in both PL and Code S.


Maybe you were trying to argue a point but Polt looks a lot better than Maru currently in TvP (or any other terran for that matter ).


Was that before tonight's games or after? We were discussing who was favoured BEFORE the match.


Classic was favoured.
You should at least read a preview i guess.


Yes, because the previewer's opinion is always with the majority...
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 21 2014 13:39 GMT
#2306
On February 21 2014 21:59 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 21:56 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
"This was todays GSL.. Kappa"


Twitch emotions are in GSL now

man i don't like bashing people, but today's broadcast was extremely unprofessional and not gslesque at all.
anyway gratz Maru!!! and Classic, classic 2:0ing maru just leaves me assuming what a god polt actually is


Wolf and Tasteless do not have the biggest chemistry as it seems
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
February 21 2014 13:39 GMT
#2307
On February 21 2014 22:38 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D


You forgot Zest, Trap and others.

Nope he didn't. They don't have any claim on that. That's like you would say someone like Cure has a claim to be the best terran -.-
With protoss, it is all between Classic, Rain and herO.
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 13:41:52
February 21 2014 13:41 GMT
#2308
On February 21 2014 22:39 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:38 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D


You forgot Zest, Trap and others.

Nope he didn't. They don't have any claim on that. That's like you would say someone like Cure has a claim to be the best terran -.-
With protoss, it is all between Classic, Rain and herO.


Says who? Zest is not in discussion after AK of SKT? If he can say sOs, Dear and MC, then Zest, Trap certainly belong.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 21 2014 13:41 GMT
#2309
On February 21 2014 22:38 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:35 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:33 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:22 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:16 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:10 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:05 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:04 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:59 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:57 vthree wrote:
[quote]

Yeah, he will be put in group with the cheese Protosses, just depends on which one.

meh he won't beat Classic if they meet again and he also won't beat Rain. Will have it tough against herO and Parting. Should beat the others though, including all the possible tosses from other groups.


Yonghwa, Zest, Trap...

he should be favoured against them


Some would argue he was favored against Classic today.

Strangely, due to the lack of Ts in GSL and PL (we are seeing more Ts in Round 2), it is hard for us to gauge KR Protoss PvT if they don't travel to foreign events.

People claiming that have not watched Korean scene for a long time and also probably didn't watch IEM Cologne.


Classic did lose to Polt who lost to HerO. Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, he is definitely one of the best Protosses currently. But Maru was THE Terran. The only Terran doing well in both PL and Code S.


Maybe you were trying to argue a point but Polt looks a lot better than Maru currently in TvP (or any other terran for that matter ).


Was that before tonight's games or after? We were discussing who was favoured BEFORE the match.


Before. I don't think Maru TvP ever looked that good. And Im not discussing whether Maru should be favored vs Classic. Just saying Polt is looking better, BEFORE today's matches.

Maru tvp looked superb for many months man
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Darthsanta13
Profile Joined July 2011
United States564 Posts
February 21 2014 13:41 GMT
#2310
Terran advancing from groups with a 67% rate! Nerf this David Kim!!!!

But really, happy that Maru advanced. Even as a Protoss more racial diversity is always good at this point.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
February 21 2014 13:41 GMT
#2311
On February 21 2014 22:41 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:39 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:38 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D


You forgot Zest, Trap and others.

Nope he didn't. They don't have any claim on that. That's like you would say someone like Cure has a claim to be the best terran -.-
With protoss, it is all between Classic, Rain and herO.


Says who? Zest is not in discussion after AK of SKT?

says me. No.
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
February 21 2014 13:41 GMT
#2312
On February 21 2014 22:39 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D

On February 21 2014 22:35 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:33 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:22 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:16 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:10 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:05 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:04 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:59 Ammanas wrote:
[quote]
meh he won't beat Classic if they meet again and he also won't beat Rain. Will have it tough against herO and Parting. Should beat the others though, including all the possible tosses from other groups.


Yonghwa, Zest, Trap...

he should be favoured against them


Some would argue he was favored against Classic today.

Strangely, due to the lack of Ts in GSL and PL (we are seeing more Ts in Round 2), it is hard for us to gauge KR Protoss PvT if they don't travel to foreign events.

People claiming that have not watched Korean scene for a long time and also probably didn't watch IEM Cologne.


Classic did lose to Polt who lost to HerO. Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, he is definitely one of the best Protosses currently. But Maru was THE Terran. The only Terran doing well in both PL and Code S.


Maybe you were trying to argue a point but Polt looks a lot better than Maru currently in TvP (or any other terran for that matter ).


Was that before tonight's games or after? We were discussing who was favoured BEFORE the match.


Classic was favoured.
You should at least read a preview i guess.


Yes, because the previewer's opinion is always with the majority...


You should watch SPL someday.
And check some stats as well. How can you ignore that Classic has more than 70% winrate playing only in Code A, Code S and SPL? Like how dare you. And in Korean qualifiers, yep.
And previews are based on facts, not only on something subjective.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 21 2014 13:42 GMT
#2313
On February 21 2014 22:41 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:41 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:39 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:38 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D


You forgot Zest, Trap and others.

Nope he didn't. They don't have any claim on that. That's like you would say someone like Cure has a claim to be the best terran -.-
With protoss, it is all between Classic, Rain and herO.


Says who? Zest is not in discussion after AK of SKT?

says me. No.


Lol, great argument,,,
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 21 2014 13:43 GMT
#2314
On February 21 2014 22:39 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:38 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D


You forgot Zest, Trap and others.

Nope he didn't. They don't have any claim on that. That's like you would say someone like Cure has a claim to be the best terran -.-
With protoss, it is all between Classic, Rain and herO.


I disagree with herO veing in there. Rain and Parting are the best protosses. Trap is good too. Not sure if Classic is another protoss of the month. It's very hard to distinguish protoss players from their plays.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 21 2014 13:46 GMT
#2315
On February 21 2014 22:41 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:38 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:35 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:33 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:22 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:16 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:10 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:05 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:04 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 21:59 Ammanas wrote:
[quote]
meh he won't beat Classic if they meet again and he also won't beat Rain. Will have it tough against herO and Parting. Should beat the others though, including all the possible tosses from other groups.


Yonghwa, Zest, Trap...

he should be favoured against them


Some would argue he was favored against Classic today.

Strangely, due to the lack of Ts in GSL and PL (we are seeing more Ts in Round 2), it is hard for us to gauge KR Protoss PvT if they don't travel to foreign events.

People claiming that have not watched Korean scene for a long time and also probably didn't watch IEM Cologne.


Classic did lose to Polt who lost to HerO. Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, he is definitely one of the best Protosses currently. But Maru was THE Terran. The only Terran doing well in both PL and Code S.


Maybe you were trying to argue a point but Polt looks a lot better than Maru currently in TvP (or any other terran for that matter ).


Was that before tonight's games or after? We were discussing who was favoured BEFORE the match.


Before. I don't think Maru TvP ever looked that good. And Im not discussing whether Maru should be favored vs Classic. Just saying Polt is looking better, BEFORE today's matches.

Maru tvp looked superb for many months man


Sure, but protosses weren't as strong as today. Nobody thought what Polt did was possible.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
February 21 2014 13:50 GMT
#2316
On February 21 2014 22:43 imrusty269 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:39 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:38 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D


You forgot Zest, Trap and others.

Nope he didn't. They don't have any claim on that. That's like you would say someone like Cure has a claim to be the best terran -.-
With protoss, it is all between Classic, Rain and herO.


I disagree with herO veing in there. Rain and Parting are the best protosses. Trap is good too. Not sure if Classic is another protoss of the month. It's very hard to distinguish protoss players from their plays.

That's exactly the thing. That's why I don't consider all the Zests, Traps etc to be in contention for best protoss. You can't really distinguish them playing. On the other hand, Classic, Rain and to a certain extent herO and Parting are players that have success using their own style, their own game. Not the flavour of the month builds that everyone else is using. They were good before the oracle patch, before everything and they will be good also after the next patch and protoss nerfs. You can't say that about others (maybe MC, but he is going his own way and noone knows how good he exactly is with him playing like he would be a best foreigner - plays in Europe, beats all the foreigners, beats some of the Koreans but loses to others).
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 21 2014 13:51 GMT
#2317
On February 21 2014 22:41 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 22:39 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D

On February 21 2014 22:35 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:33 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:22 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:16 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:10 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:05 opterown wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:04 vthree wrote:
[quote]

Yonghwa, Zest, Trap...

he should be favoured against them


Some would argue he was favored against Classic today.

Strangely, due to the lack of Ts in GSL and PL (we are seeing more Ts in Round 2), it is hard for us to gauge KR Protoss PvT if they don't travel to foreign events.

People claiming that have not watched Korean scene for a long time and also probably didn't watch IEM Cologne.


Classic did lose to Polt who lost to HerO. Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, he is definitely one of the best Protosses currently. But Maru was THE Terran. The only Terran doing well in both PL and Code S.


Maybe you were trying to argue a point but Polt looks a lot better than Maru currently in TvP (or any other terran for that matter ).


Was that before tonight's games or after? We were discussing who was favoured BEFORE the match.


Classic was favoured.
You should at least read a preview i guess.


Yes, because the previewer's opinion is always with the majority...


You should watch SPL someday.
And check some stats as well. How can you ignore that Classic has more than 70% winrate playing only in Code A, Code S and SPL? Like how dare you. And in Korean qualifiers, yep.
And previews are based on facts, not only on something subjective.


Did YOU watch PL? Maru was the best Terran along with TY. Classic didn't play any PvTs. How dare me? Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, calm the fuck down.
LibertyRises
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States175 Posts
February 21 2014 14:01 GMT
#2318
Polt was playing out of his mind. The thing about Polt and why I believe hes very suited to these weekend tournaments is that he adjusts his build to counter the standard meta. It doesnt look all that different form any other top terrans build but he just deviates from the norm when because he thinks outside the box and it catches players off guard. Building viking instead of medvac here, pushing out when knowing blink is coming there etc etc.

And we do a good job of outing him too because we get giddy and be like OMG DID U SEE THAT TELL UR FRIENDZ

But after awhile toss will figure out this guy does shit differently and he wont be catching them by surprise as much. The bottom line is both Polt and Marus strength lie in their mirco but Maru is more mechanically gifted and ballsy. If polt was in code s with these toss studying him and preparing sniper builds against him i seriously doubt hed have as much success as say maru whos just flat out fast, talented, and ballsy enough to proxy two rax to close a series out lol
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February 21 2014 14:05 GMT
#2319
On February 21 2014 22:51 vthree wrote:
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On February 21 2014 22:41 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:39 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D

On February 21 2014 22:35 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:33 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:22 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:16 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:10 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:05 opterown wrote:
[quote]
he should be favoured against them


Some would argue he was favored against Classic today.

Strangely, due to the lack of Ts in GSL and PL (we are seeing more Ts in Round 2), it is hard for us to gauge KR Protoss PvT if they don't travel to foreign events.

People claiming that have not watched Korean scene for a long time and also probably didn't watch IEM Cologne.


Classic did lose to Polt who lost to HerO. Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, he is definitely one of the best Protosses currently. But Maru was THE Terran. The only Terran doing well in both PL and Code S.


Maybe you were trying to argue a point but Polt looks a lot better than Maru currently in TvP (or any other terran for that matter ).


Was that before tonight's games or after? We were discussing who was favoured BEFORE the match.


Classic was favoured.
You should at least read a preview i guess.


Yes, because the previewer's opinion is always with the majority...


You should watch SPL someday.
And check some stats as well. How can you ignore that Classic has more than 70% winrate playing only in Code A, Code S and SPL? Like how dare you. And in Korean qualifiers, yep.
And previews are based on facts, not only on something subjective.


Did YOU watch PL? Maru was the best Terran along with TY. Classic didn't play any PvTs. How dare me? Again, no one is saying Classic is bad, calm the fuck down.


Maru wasn't playing as good as he can after R1.
I guess, everyone here had already said it.
Even if you're Maru you can't be favourite always. Especially in Code S format.

Can't wait until herO will select Maru to play against.

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Last Edited: 2014-02-21 14:15:04
February 21 2014 14:10 GMT
#2320
On February 21 2014 22:50 Ammanas wrote:
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On February 21 2014 22:43 imrusty269 wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:39 Ammanas wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:38 vthree wrote:
On February 21 2014 22:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's like endless question nowdays, who is the best Protoss in the world.
If herO wins IEM Katowice but PartinG wins GSL Code S but Classic will hold immense numbers in Proleague but Rain but sOs but Dear but MC (more Tosses here).
There is nothing bad in it :D


You forgot Zest, Trap and others.

Nope he didn't. They don't have any claim on that. That's like you would say someone like Cure has a claim to be the best terran -.-
With protoss, it is all between Classic, Rain and herO.


I disagree with herO veing in there. Rain and Parting are the best protosses. Trap is good too. Not sure if Classic is another protoss of the month. It's very hard to distinguish protoss players from their plays.

That's exactly the thing. That's why I don't consider all the Zests, Traps etc to be in contention for best protoss. You can't really distinguish them playing. On the other hand, Classic, Rain and to a certain extent herO and Parting are players that have success using their own style, their own game. Not the flavour of the month builds that everyone else is using. They were good before the oracle patch, before everything and they will be good also after the next patch and protoss nerfs. You can't say that about others (maybe MC, but he is going his own way and noone knows how good he exactly is with him playing like he would be a best foreigner - plays in Europe, beats all the foreigners, beats some of the Koreans but loses to others).


I used to love LiquidHerO because of that. While terrans beauty comes inherently from the flat out speed of the mirco, marco and multitasking the beauty in protoss is different. its more in the choices and the strategy. HerO stood out to me because he would multitask like a terran but have these crazy builds and tech switches that would flat out shock opponents they werent ready for and didnt know what to expect.

Now with the way the metas developing every toss is figuring out herp derp terran cant scout shit theyre ez to trick lets build shit in random places on the map for auto-win. When HerO did shit like that before protoss wasnt untouchable early game with the msc he didnt have carte blanche to do shit like that his margin for error was razor thin... it was creative, it was stressful to watch... it was... DRAMATIC. Another toss like that is Parting tho I HATE PARTING lol. Now when people are executing these very same strats i dont get that same feeling in the pit of my stomach its not as impressive.

Now with the way toss is these great toss players that stood out to me dont anymore and that sux because a whole shitload of toss can pull of the shit that they do because its just straight up easier. Rain too. he was real defense and macro oriented before when other tosses tried to take a third when rain would they get fucked. now, theres a lot of toss that can look like rain macroing like bouses

But protoss players are right it goes both ways because of how rare terran wins are in the match up its ups the hype like today with maru and it shows the difference between the very best terrans and the tier under.
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