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United States7483 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:46 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote: stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.
Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc. Is the 12 minute max out now blord infestor?
This build hits before the 12 minute max has time to get going, and on that map the distances are close enough to kill you if you're doing a 12 minute max build because you're overdroning.
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On February 17 2014 05:45 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:45 resfirestar wrote:I feel this must be so exhausting for HerO that he could have a hard time against Polt.  I mean Polt's series vs Rain wasn't exactly a walk in the park. True, at least he gets a break though.
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Habitation Station is very good for Protoss. Its easy hold the natural and the gold base with forcefields (you need two only).
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On February 17 2014 05:47 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:46 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote: stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.
Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc. Is the 12 minute max out now blord infestor? You can't 12 minute max out against gate expos with MsC. That build was predicated on fast 3 base against FFE. There's a reason it died out in HotS. I know? I just don't think stephano in his prime = blord infestor
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:48 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:47 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote: stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.
Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc. Is the 12 minute max out now blord infestor? You can't 12 minute max out against gate expos with MsC. That build was predicated on fast 3 base against FFE. There's a reason it died out in HotS. Also void rays, hydra buff, photon overcharge, time warp...
So many many reasons.
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Lol HerO uses strategies that are considered "abusive" (incorrectly I might add) less than most top protosses
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Italy12246 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote: Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^
You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Wow that was three pretty quick games
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China6330 Posts
FYI along side the 80k on Twitch there are another around 5k on the Chinese stream, at 5am in the morning, it peaked around 15k earlier.
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Ghostcrawler joined Riot and in exchange Riot gave Blizzard some of their bot scripts.
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On February 17 2014 05:44 IshinShishi wrote: gold bases, really?does blizzard never give up?
This map was made by a community member and was one of the finalists for red bull's team liquid map contest, and ESL got to choose the map pool for the tournament, though yeah it's a ladder map so it's a popular choice. Blizz had nearly zero part in this aside from creating Starcraft 2 and the option for gold bases to be implemented.
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What's wrong with playing "abusive" strategies?
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On February 17 2014 05:47 Vandrad wrote: Well if Jaedong loses, I can at least go to sleep
Such a good supporter of SC.
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Austria24422 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote: Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^ You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D
10pool is the truth
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On February 17 2014 05:49 Yorkie wrote: Lol HerO uses strategies that are considered "abusive" (incorrectly I might add) less than most top protosses Yeah, like he didnt forcefielded zerg ramp with a warp prims every single game on a tight ramp game, that gave me night terrors xD
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On February 17 2014 05:48 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:47 raga4ka wrote:On February 17 2014 05:44 Darkhorse wrote:On February 17 2014 05:43 Snusmumriken wrote: I cant help but feel absolutely disgusted when I see hero play today. I usually like him a lot but i dunno, this is such abusive play... oh well I hope jd can scrape by yet again. oh come on. Yeah Hero has always played an abusive style , but people just notice it , when he wins a lot in a row with it . Oh for fucks sake. HerO doesn't play an abusive style have you never watched him? You think he is at the forefront of the soul train or the blink all in? He isn't.
today he is.
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On February 17 2014 05:47 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote: stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.
Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc. stephano in his prime and broodlord infestor in the same sentence makes me sad  well he was one of the inventors of the composition and mass infestor play. but he also was one of the few zergs who could smack others around without BL infestor.
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On February 17 2014 05:49 digmouse wrote: FYI along side the 80k on Twitch there are another around 5k on the Chinese stream, at 5am in the morning, it peaked around 15k earlier. Meanwhile on Dailymotion with the French stream... oh wait.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote: Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^ You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D
Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Semi Final 2
Jaedong vs HerO
Game 4 - Heavy Rain LE
00:00 Jaedong Spawns Bottom Hero Spawns Top
Come on JD, MAKE IT A GAME 5!!!
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