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Okay calm down folks, stop balance whining or the bans are going to get long.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
February 16 2014 20:48 GMT
#4881
On February 17 2014 05:46 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.

Is the 12 minute max out now blord infestor?


This build hits before the 12 minute max has time to get going, and on that map the distances are close enough to kill you if you're doing a 12 minute max build because you're overdroning.

Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
resfirestar
Profile Joined January 2012
United States109 Posts
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4882
On February 17 2014 05:45 Darkhorse wrote:
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On February 17 2014 05:45 resfirestar wrote:
I feel this must be so exhausting for HerO that he could have a hard time against Polt.

I mean Polt's series vs Rain wasn't exactly a walk in the park.

True, at least he gets a break though.
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4883
Habitation Station is very good for Protoss. Its easy hold the natural and the gold base with forcefields (you need two only).
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4884
On February 17 2014 05:47 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:46 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.

Is the 12 minute max out now blord infestor?


You can't 12 minute max out against gate expos with MsC. That build was predicated on fast 3 base against FFE. There's a reason it died out in HotS.

I know? I just don't think stephano in his prime = blord infestor
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4885
On February 17 2014 05:48 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:47 stuchiu wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:46 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.

Is the 12 minute max out now blord infestor?


You can't 12 minute max out against gate expos with MsC. That build was predicated on fast 3 base against FFE. There's a reason it died out in HotS.


Also void rays, hydra buff, photon overcharge, time warp...


So many many reasons.
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4886
Lol HerO uses strategies that are considered "abusive" (incorrectly I might add) less than most top protosses
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4887
On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either

1) 1 base 7 roach rush.

Or

2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush.


the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D

ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but...
what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^


You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4888
Wow that was three pretty quick games
AdministratorBreak the chains
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4889
FYI along side the 80k on Twitch there are another around 5k on the Chinese stream, at 5am in the morning, it peaked around 15k earlier.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4890
Ghostcrawler joined Riot and in exchange Riot gave Blizzard some of their bot scripts.
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 20:50:15
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4891
On February 17 2014 05:44 IshinShishi wrote:
gold bases, really?does blizzard never give up?


This map was made by a community member and was one of the finalists for red bull's team liquid map contest, and ESL got to choose the map pool for the tournament, though yeah it's a ladder map so it's a popular choice. Blizz had nearly zero part in this aside from creating Starcraft 2 and the option for gold bases to be implemented.
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 20:50:26
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4892
What's wrong with playing "abusive" strategies?
DaedricTV
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom94 Posts
February 16 2014 20:49 GMT
#4893
On February 17 2014 05:47 Vandrad wrote:
Well if Jaedong loses, I can at least go to sleep


Such a good supporter of SC.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 16 2014 20:50 GMT
#4894
On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either

1) 1 base 7 roach rush.

Or

2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush.


the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D

ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but...
what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^


You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D


10pool is the truth
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
February 16 2014 20:50 GMT
#4895
On February 17 2014 05:49 Yorkie wrote:
Lol HerO uses strategies that are considered "abusive" (incorrectly I might add) less than most top protosses

Yeah, like he didnt forcefielded zerg ramp with a warp prims every single game on a tight ramp game, that gave me night terrors xD
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
February 16 2014 20:50 GMT
#4896
On February 17 2014 05:48 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:47 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:44 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:43 Snusmumriken wrote:
I cant help but feel absolutely disgusted when I see hero play today. I usually like him a lot but i dunno, this is such abusive play... oh well I hope jd can scrape by yet again.

oh come on.


Yeah Hero has always played an abusive style , but people just notice it , when he wins a lot in a row with it .

Oh for fucks sake. HerO doesn't play an abusive style have you never watched him? You think he is at the forefront of the soul train or the blink all in? He isn't.


today he is.
Amove for Aiur
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
February 16 2014 20:50 GMT
#4897
On February 17 2014 05:47 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.


stephano in his prime and broodlord infestor in the same sentence makes me sad

well he was one of the inventors of the composition and mass infestor play. but he also was one of the few zergs who could smack others around without BL infestor.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14462 Posts
February 16 2014 20:50 GMT
#4898
On February 17 2014 05:49 digmouse wrote:
FYI along side the 80k on Twitch there are another around 5k on the Chinese stream, at 5am in the morning, it peaked around 15k earlier.

Meanwhile on Dailymotion with the French stream... oh wait.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 16 2014 20:50 GMT
#4899
On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either

1) 1 base 7 roach rush.

Or

2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush.


the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D

ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but...
what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^


You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D


Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 16 2014 20:50 GMT
#4900
Semi Final 2

(Z)Jaedong vs (P)HerO


Game 4 - Heavy Rain LE

00:00 Jaedong Spawns Bottom Hero Spawns Top

Come on JD, MAKE IT A GAME 5!!!
Zerg for Life
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