• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:11
CEST 06:11
KST 13:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup4StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)66Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2315
StarCraft 2
General
Back to SC2 after 14 years - Protoss CTRL groups? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? October World Ranking: herO stays #1, ByuN returns SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Sagi.gg Launcher Released RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site Bot on ladder BSL Season 23
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8324 users

[IEM] Cologne Day 4 - Ro8, Ro4 and Grand Finals - Page 246

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 244 245 246 247 248 444 Next
Okay calm down folks, stop balance whining or the bans are going to get long.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 16 2014 20:51 GMT
#4901
On February 17 2014 05:50 Snusmumriken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:48 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:47 raga4ka wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:44 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:43 Snusmumriken wrote:
I cant help but feel absolutely disgusted when I see hero play today. I usually like him a lot but i dunno, this is such abusive play... oh well I hope jd can scrape by yet again.

oh come on.


Yeah Hero has always played an abusive style , but people just notice it , when he wins a lot in a row with it .

Oh for fucks sake. HerO doesn't play an abusive style have you never watched him? You think he is at the forefront of the soul train or the blink all in? He isn't.


today he is.

Against Jaedong he's done it once, therefore he is the cheesiest player on Earth
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 16 2014 20:51 GMT
#4902
On February 17 2014 05:50 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:47 Musicus wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.


stephano in his prime and broodlord infestor in the same sentence makes me sad

well he was one of the inventors of the composition and mass infestor play. but he also was one of the few zergs who could smack others around without BL infestor.

Blord infestor was known to be broken before ipl3, game was just a hell of a lot harder to get to that point
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 16 2014 20:51 GMT
#4903
Let's go Jaedong!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
February 16 2014 20:51 GMT
#4904
On February 17 2014 05:49 HeavenResign wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:44 IshinShishi wrote:
gold bases, really?does blizzard never give up?


This map was made by a community member and was one of the finalists for red bull's team liquid map contest, and ESL got to choose the map pool for the tournament, though yeah it's a ladder map so it's a popular choice. Blizz had nearly zero part in this aside from creating Starcraft 2 and the option for gold bases to be implemented.

The map was made with gold bases in it?Oh.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
gnr9292
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
90 Posts
February 16 2014 20:51 GMT
#4905
using photon overcharge is a good skill to have
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
February 16 2014 20:51 GMT
#4906
lol Ret <3
"Right on" - Morrow
proofy
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada283 Posts
February 16 2014 20:51 GMT
#4907
Ret :D haha
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
February 16 2014 20:51 GMT
#4908
On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either

1) 1 base 7 roach rush.

Or

2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush.


the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D

ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but...
what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^


You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D


Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him.

are you sure you're more insane than suhosin?
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
NLBrowncoat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands23 Posts
February 16 2014 20:51 GMT
#4909
I think Zergs are going to need to send a drone out to block protos from expanding to the gold on this map. You could go banelings like Ret said but thats still dicey.
Shiny!
Zygno
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria276 Posts
February 16 2014 20:52 GMT
#4910
If anyone can come back, then it is JD.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
February 16 2014 20:52 GMT
#4911
On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either

1) 1 base 7 roach rush.

Or

2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush.


the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D

ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but...
what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^


You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D


Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him.


My teammate Karpfen is up there. The guy succesfully made me ragequit sc2 and ts within about an hour of joining the team cuz 10pool speed into 2base sh.

We've played some seriously genius games.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 16 2014 20:52 GMT
#4912
On February 17 2014 05:47 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.


Stephano in his prime just did his own fucking thing and made it work. He probably would have double expanded to both golds and maxed on Roaches at 8 minutes or some crazy shit.


Good thing he retired so his fans can believe stuff like that.
Stephano was no doubt the best foreigner but he was in his prime when zerg was also in his prime.
And in GSL I remember him being tossed around by Innovation at the time terran had hardest time against zerg.
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
February 16 2014 20:52 GMT
#4913
On February 17 2014 05:49 Yorkie wrote:
Lol HerO uses strategies that are considered "abusive" (incorrectly I might add) less than most top protosses


Innovation would agree
...
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
February 16 2014 20:52 GMT
#4914
On February 17 2014 05:52 Zygno wrote:
If anyone can come back, then it is JD.

And if anyone can choke, is JD... COIN TOSS !
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
February 16 2014 20:52 GMT
#4915
On February 17 2014 05:47 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:46 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.

Is the 12 minute max out now blord infestor?


You can't 12 minute max out against gate expos with MsC. That build was predicated on fast 3 base against FFE. There's a reason it died out in HotS.


you can 12 minute max out against gate expo with MsC.

the maxout against a passive protoss who took a 3rd was 10:20, with speed, +1 attack and some scouting lings in earlygame built.
yep, that happened. but its not what i meant with stephano holding this allin.

ppl seem to have forgotten how all premier tournaments were basically immortal allin vs stephano :D
ye just knew exactly when to stop droning and building units, how to delay protoss, bait forcefield, flank perfectly and focusfire with groups of roaches.

this being told, to be able to do that, you need to KNOW what comes - pretty impossible in the current metagame.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 16 2014 20:52 GMT
#4916
On February 17 2014 05:51 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either

1) 1 base 7 roach rush.

Or

2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush.


the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D

ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but...
what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^


You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D


Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him.

are you sure you're more insane than suhosin?


I've never met Suhosin, but real recognizes real. He is another who has found the truth of 10 pool.
Moderator
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
February 16 2014 20:52 GMT
#4917
On February 17 2014 05:50 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:47 Musicus wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.


stephano in his prime and broodlord infestor in the same sentence makes me sad

well he was one of the inventors of the composition and mass infestor play. but he also was one of the few zergs who could smack others around without BL infestor.


Stephano was actually known for his mass ling into infestor/ultra and roach max type things. I really don't know why people are retroactively associating him with Infestor/BL. Sure he used it, at the point where every Zerg was, but it was never his signature play.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 16 2014 20:53 GMT
#4918
oh, Apollo
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
DaedricTV
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom94 Posts
February 16 2014 20:53 GMT
#4919
I really really hope Jaedong loses.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
February 16 2014 20:53 GMT
#4920
On February 17 2014 05:52 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:50 Tanzklaue wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:47 Musicus wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.


stephano in his prime and broodlord infestor in the same sentence makes me sad

well he was one of the inventors of the composition and mass infestor play. but he also was one of the few zergs who could smack others around without BL infestor.


Stephano was actually known for his mass ling into infestor/ultra and roach max type things. I really don't know why people are retroactively associating him with Infestor/BL. Sure he used it, at the point where every Zerg was, but it was never his signature play.


In ZvP he'd bl infestor a lot. He liked his ultra first in ZvT tho.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Prev 1 244 245 246 247 248 444 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 49m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 243
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 614
Larva 192
Leta 66
NaDa 57
TT1 17
Icarus 9
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm228
League of Legends
JimRising 715
Other Games
summit1g10879
WinterStarcraft464
Mew2King106
ViBE81
ArmadaUGS49
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1414
BasetradeTV248
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream148
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta32
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki26
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota251
League of Legends
• Rush1053
• Lourlo813
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5h 49m
INu's Battles
7h 49m
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
10h 49m
MilkiCow vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
BSL Open Qualifier
14h 49m
BSL Open Qualifier
14h 49m
Replay Cast
18h 49m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 5h
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
1d 6h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 11h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
2 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
4 days
INu's Battles
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Copium Cup
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.