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[IEM] Cologne Day 4 - Ro8, Ro4 and Grand Finals - Page 244

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Okay calm down folks, stop balance whining or the bans are going to get long.
Vandrad
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany951 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4861
Well if Jaedong loses, I can at least go to sleep
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
YuiHirasawa
Profile Joined August 2012
Japan220 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4862
On February 17 2014 05:46 Skynx wrote:
Trademark HerO choke time?


I hope
Fun things are fun
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4863
On February 17 2014 05:46 Skynx wrote:
Trademark HerO choke time?


Doubt it, he'll win with some other "allin" build.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4864
On February 17 2014 05:46 Heartland wrote:
@CallMeTasteless 3m

Damn hero played really well that game :o

WHAT.

This tournament even reigniting Tasteless passhhhhuuuuuunnzzzzz

He plays StarBow
Community News
TL+ Member
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4865
The Immortal/Zealot all in is an old Naniwa build from early HoTS. Day[9] did a daily on it "Naniwa's 2 base PvZ" or something like that. TL has a strategy article about it called "the man train."
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4866
On February 17 2014 05:44 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:43 Snusmumriken wrote:
I cant help but feel absolutely disgusted when I see hero play today. I usually like him a lot but i dunno, this is such abusive play... oh well I hope jd can scrape by yet again.

oh come on.


Yeah Hero has always played an abusive style , but people just notice it , when he wins a lot in a row with it .
Fortuna.424
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany174 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4867
On February 17 2014 05:45 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:45 Fortuna.424 wrote:
Cant u play a baneling bust against this by baiting one photon overcharge and then attacking the other protoss base?


No, cause the photon overcharge will be on the gold and the main is protected by Ff's.

I dont think that Hero had a Sentry ready in his main base at the time a bust would have come because he first build one at the gold base.
I like Zerglings... and Banelings... and also Roaches... well, i like ZERG
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4868
On February 17 2014 05:46 Heartland wrote:
@CallMeTasteless 3m

Damn hero played really well that game :o

WHAT.

This tournament even reigniting Tasteless passhhhhuuuuuunnzzzzz


times are a 'changin
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 20:47:44
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4869
On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either

1) 1 base 7 roach rush.

Or

2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush.

Looking at how JD failed with 6-pool, I am not entirely convinced in these strategies working for him...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4870
On February 17 2014 05:46 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.

Is the 12 minute max out now blord infestor?


You can't 12 minute max out against gate expos with MsC. That build was predicated on fast 3 base against FFE. There's a reason it died out in HotS.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4871
On February 17 2014 05:46 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:46 Bagration wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:44 Exarl25 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:43 Snusmumriken wrote:
I cant help but feel absolutely disgusted when I see hero play today. I usually like him a lot but i dunno, this is such abusive play... oh well I hope jd can scrape by yet again.


Abusive? IdrA is gone can that weird attitude disappear already?


Some playstyles are abusive. For example, the 1-1-1 against Protoss back in 2011 was abusive, because the Protoss had trouble scouting it, and had to guess on how to react. Prepare for the 1-1-1, and you could die to a 2 rax pressure. Prepare for the 2 rax pressure, and you die to the 1-1-1.

BL-infestor was also abusive.

no, 1-1-1, was beautiful, it was art, it took heart.


I never said it wasn't beautiful haha.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23578 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4872
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.


stephano in his prime and broodlord infestor in the same sentence makes me sad
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4873
On February 17 2014 05:43 Yorkie wrote:
Lol everyone freaking out about this map the community is the reason it is in the map pool!


hehe blame scarlet and bomber for this map being on the ladder, everyone was meh golds before their game. Nevertheless this map is awesome for me, because standard play doesn't work.
Also JD lost because he got 10 lings. On the other hand it was a nice idea to prevent hero from transferring workers, but Hero to good.
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
February 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#4874
On February 17 2014 05:47 Vandrad wrote:
Well if Jaedong loses, I can at least go to sleep

Same here
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
February 16 2014 20:48 GMT
#4875
On February 17 2014 05:46 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:43 Teoita wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 Heartland wrote:
@MrBitterTV 3m

lol, this is Rotti's 8 gate... I think he messaged Hero about it a week or so ago


ERM if i may.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414359

This build has been around forever. And it's awesome.

How it is awesome when the zerg knows exactly what protoss does and can't react do anything?

There are no map bans?


Starcraft develops by strategies appearing and then people come up with ways of countering them. And there are map bans, so obviously Jaedong felt that Habitation and gold-base rushes wasn't the worst that could come his way.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 16 2014 20:48 GMT
#4876
On February 17 2014 05:47 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:46 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.



Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc.

Is the 12 minute max out now blord infestor?


You can't 12 minute max out against gate expos with MsC. That build was predicated on fast 3 base against FFE. There's a reason it died out in HotS.


Also void rays, hydra buff, photon overcharge, time warp...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
mDuo13
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States307 Posts
February 16 2014 20:48 GMT
#4877
pretty good micro by HerO to back up his crazy strat. I like the no-hesitation push into the nat from the gold, HerO proves he's got his guts in the right place after all
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 16 2014 20:48 GMT
#4878
On February 17 2014 05:47 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either

1) 1 base 7 roach rush.

Or

2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush.

Looking at how JD failed with 6-pool, I am not entirely convinced in these strategies working for him...

He has to forget he's Jaedong for a second and think he's Hyvaa.
Moderator
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
February 16 2014 20:48 GMT
#4879
On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either

1) 1 base 7 roach rush.

Or

2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush.


the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D

ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but...
what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 16 2014 20:48 GMT
#4880
On February 17 2014 05:47 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 05:44 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 05:43 Snusmumriken wrote:
I cant help but feel absolutely disgusted when I see hero play today. I usually like him a lot but i dunno, this is such abusive play... oh well I hope jd can scrape by yet again.

oh come on.


Yeah Hero has always played an abusive style , but people just notice it , when he wins a lot in a row with it .

Oh for fucks sake. HerO doesn't play an abusive style have you never watched him? You think he is at the forefront of the soul train or the blink all in? He isn't.
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