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twitch somehow isn't really fluent for me atm. 
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:52 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:47 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 bo1b wrote:On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.
Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc. Is the 12 minute max out now blord infestor? You can't 12 minute max out against gate expos with MsC. That build was predicated on fast 3 base against FFE. There's a reason it died out in HotS. you can 12 minute max out against gate expo with MsC. the maxout against a passive protoss who took a 3rd was 10:20, with speed, +1 attack and some scouting lings in earlygame built. yep, that happened. but its not what i meant with stephano holding this allin. ppl seem to have forgotten how all premier tournaments were basically immortal allin vs stephano :D ye just knew exactly when to stop droning and building units, how to delay protoss, bait forcefield, flank perfectly and focusfire with groups of roaches. this being told, to be able to do that, you need to KNOW what comes - pretty impossible in the current metagame.
I remember Mana rolling over Stephano, yeah.
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On February 17 2014 05:52 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:51 Shellshock wrote:On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^ You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him. are you sure you're more insane than suhosin? I've never met Suhosin, but real recognizes real. He is another who has found the truth of 10 pool.
Wasn't Suhosin the guy who lost to MKP's CC first with a 6 pool?
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On February 17 2014 05:52 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:47 Exarl25 wrote:On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.
Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc. Stephano in his prime just did his own fucking thing and made it work. He probably would have double expanded to both golds and maxed on Roaches at 8 minutes or some crazy shit. Good thing he retired so his fans can believe stuff like that. Stephano was no doubt the best foreigner but he was in his prime when zerg was also in his prime. And in GSL I remember him being tossed around by Innovation at the time terran had hardest time against zerg.
By the end of WoL he was already slumping from his previous form, though. His GSL run was awful.
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your Country52798 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:53 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:52 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:51 Shellshock wrote:On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^ You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him. are you sure you're more insane than suhosin? I've never met Suhosin, but real recognizes real. He is another who has found the truth of 10 pool. Wasn't Suhosin the guy who lost to MKP's CC first with a 6 pool?
Yes, but he also made it into code S at least once
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On February 17 2014 05:52 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:47 Exarl25 wrote:On February 17 2014 05:45 Qwerty85 wrote:On February 17 2014 05:42 KalWarkov wrote:
stephano in his prime wouldve held that. he knew the exact dronecount he needed, didnt build units before he needed to, took prefect fights.
Stephano in his prime had broodlord-infestor, there was no MSC for protoss etc. Stephano in his prime just did his own fucking thing and made it work. He probably would have double expanded to both golds and maxed on Roaches at 8 minutes or some crazy shit. Good thing he retired so his fans can believe stuff like that. Stephano was no doubt the best foreigner but he was in his prime when zerg was also in his prime. And in GSL I remember him being tossed around by Innovation at the time terran had hardest time against zerg.
His prime was before the queen patch during ipl3
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On February 17 2014 05:53 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:52 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:51 Shellshock wrote:On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^ You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him. are you sure you're more insane than suhosin? You are right. I've never met Suhosin, but real recognizes real. He is another who has found the truth of 10 pool. Wasn't Suhosin the guy who lost to MKP's CC first with a 6 pool?
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Austria24422 Posts
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On February 17 2014 05:52 Ace Frehley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:49 Yorkie wrote:
Lol HerO uses strategies that are considered "abusive" (incorrectly I might add) less than most top protosses Innovation would agree
I'm also 100% sure that Innovation would agree he played terrible and deserved to lose.
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today, HerO abused on every single map.
he learns the strengh of Protoss, fast.
Maybe he took some lessons from KingCobra and Hitman.
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United States97277 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:53 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:52 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:51 Shellshock wrote:On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^ You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him. are you sure you're more insane than suhosin? I've never met Suhosin, but real recognizes real. He is another who has found the truth of 10 pool. Wasn't Suhosin the guy who lost to MKP's CC first with a 6 pool?
He's also the guy that went for baneling drop and nydus worm off 2 base and then followed it up with a hidden base and hidden spire
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On February 17 2014 05:52 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:51 Shellshock wrote:On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^ You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him. are you sure you're more insane than suhosin? I've never met Suhosin, but real recognizes real. He is another who has found the truth of 10 pool.
suho dropped banelings on probes after nydusing to distract, guy was the shit.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:50 KelsierSC wrote:Semi Final 2 Jaedong vs  HerOGame 4 - Heavy Rain LE 00:00 Jaedong Spawns Bottom Hero Spawns Top Come on JD, MAKE IT A GAME 5!!!
01:00 So we've had some pretty fucked up games so far, but it is better than SH Turtle.
Gateway in base for Hero
02:00 Hatch first for JD
just chilling
cyber core
3 hatch before pool!!!!!!
03:00 Shit man this kid be crazy
pool begins
probe moving out for hero but probably just scouting, just chilling
warp gate research begins
nexus goes down for Hero
04:00 MSC begins zealot moving out across the map
6 lings for JD
Hero looking to put on a bit of pressure here
2 more gates added for Hero
05:00 Zealot gets surrounded and killed off
4th gateway for Hero oh shit!!!!!!
the probe is lurking, the innocent probe is proving to be a sly fox!!!
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:53 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:52 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:51 Shellshock wrote:On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^ You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him. are you sure you're more insane than suhosin? I've never met Suhosin, but real recognizes real. He is another who has found the truth of 10 pool. Wasn't Suhosin the guy who lost to MKP's CC first with a 6 pool?
That was before he had found the 10 pool.
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why are people glorifying stepahno so much.
He is a player that is young but his skills just became irrelevant in the pro scene.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On February 17 2014 05:54 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:53 ssxsilver wrote:On February 17 2014 05:52 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:51 Shellshock wrote:On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^ You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him. are you sure you're more insane than suhosin? I've never met Suhosin, but real recognizes real. He is another who has found the truth of 10 pool. Wasn't Suhosin the guy who lost to MKP's CC first with a 6 pool? He's also the guy that went for baneling drop and nydus worm off 2 base and then followed it up with a hidden base and hidden spire
Man I loved that build in WoL.
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On February 17 2014 05:54 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 05:53 ssxsilver wrote:On February 17 2014 05:52 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:51 Shellshock wrote:On February 17 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote:On February 17 2014 05:49 Teoita wrote:On February 17 2014 05:48 KalWarkov wrote:On February 17 2014 05:46 stuchiu wrote:
Look I didn't want to give it away, but there are two builds that kill this. Either
1) 1 base 7 roach rush.
Or
2) 2 base speedling cancel into 8 roach rush. the problem is that those builds die vs any other semi-safe P build :D ofc the build is abusable, but you cant just go it with the information given. u know there is a goldbase, but... what if hero just takes both gases, builds sentrys and takes his natural as 3rd base?^^ You've never played Stuchiu eh? :D Hahahahahaha, if there was another Zerg as insane as I was in ZvP, I've never met him. are you sure you're more insane than suhosin? I've never met Suhosin, but real recognizes real. He is another who has found the truth of 10 pool. Wasn't Suhosin the guy who lost to MKP's CC first with a 6 pool? He's also the guy that went for baneling drop and nydus worm off 2 base and then followed it up with a hidden base and hidden spire
Truly a world wonder. Anyways back to game!
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Not nearly as manly as San.
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