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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
February 15 2014 14:51 GMT
#741
I guess Jjakji's TvP is actually the most comparable to Polts. Maybe Maru.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3399 Posts
February 15 2014 14:52 GMT
#742
This shouldn't be close.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 15 2014 14:52 GMT
#743
On February 15 2014 23:48 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:47 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:45 Mozdk wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:43 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:41 Mozdk wrote:
Aligulac has polt at 73% to beat Mana in a BO3. Argh!


Polt is weak against Soul Trains and Soul Planes. If Mana realizes this, he could win.


So you wouldn't classify Soul Train as a PvZ build?


JUst cause it's only used in PvZ, doesn't mean you can't use it in PvT as Parting has proved time and time and time again.

When did he sentry immortal all in terrans?


Near the end of WoL. I forget the games, but I remember it cause I stole the build and won with it on ladder.
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 15 2014 14:53 GMT
#744
When did Mana have the best PvT in the world?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 15 2014 14:53 GMT
#745
On February 15 2014 23:52 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:48 opterown wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:47 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:45 Mozdk wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:43 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:41 Mozdk wrote:
Aligulac has polt at 73% to beat Mana in a BO3. Argh!


Polt is weak against Soul Trains and Soul Planes. If Mana realizes this, he could win.


So you wouldn't classify Soul Train as a PvZ build?


JUst cause it's only used in PvZ, doesn't mean you can't use it in PvT as Parting has proved time and time and time again.

When did he sentry immortal all in terrans?


Near the end of WoL. I forget the games, but I remember it cause I stole the build and won with it on ladder.

iirc it was on 1 base and/or proxied though?
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 15 2014 14:53 GMT
#746
On February 15 2014 23:53 Nirel wrote:
When did Mana have the best PvT in the world?

Never?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 15 2014 14:53 GMT
#747
On February 15 2014 23:53 Nirel wrote:
When did Mana have the best PvT in the world?

when he was the only protoss to beat puma or something, it was only for a short period
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
February 15 2014 14:53 GMT
#748
On February 15 2014 23:51 Mozdk wrote:
I guess Jjakji's TvP is actually the most comparable to Polts. Maybe Maru.


I dunno, Polt style is kind of unique.

Mvp used a similar style against Mana in fight night, doing a three pronged attack on Alterzim after Mana had established a third. Mana couldn't handle it at all and just fell apart.

I think Polt is very favored here in this match. Cheering for Mana though!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 15 2014 14:53 GMT
#749
On February 15 2014 23:49 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:37 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:34 Xoronius wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:19 Nirel wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:14 Xoronius wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:13 ACrow wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:12 Noonius wrote:
why hasn't MaNa found a new team yet? With games like that, it shouldn't be a problem for him to find a team

and he is well spoken, funny and marketable - actually he is exactly what teams should be looking for in a foreign player.

I think the main reason is, that he is also pretty expensive, as one of the top-5 foreign players of all time.

I don't think top 5 all time though: Stephano, Naniwa, Thorzain, Idra, Huk, Scarlett...

I know, I´m pretty late to the party, but since I was watching the game at that time, I´m responding now:
Stephano and Nani are pretty much without a doubt the top 2. HuK has won 3 premiers, so I put him in as well. After that, there are 4 guys with 2 premiers: MaNa, Nerchio, ThorZaIN, Idra. Of those, Nerchio won by far the most money and MaNa has the most overall medals, so I put them in as well. Neither Scarlett or Sen has ever won a premier, so they still have some way to go.


Sen's multiple 3rd place finishes (Most notably at NASL's and Blizzcons) and his 1st at ESL this year are more impressive than most of the wins Mana, Nerchio and Idra ever had.

When mana won ESWC, he won against Stephano at the top of his ZvP reign (and he had the most dominating ZvP in the whole of SC2) and forGG in the final. I don't see how Sen's result is better.


Getting 3rd in WCS 2012 over Curious (Who next season got top 4 in GSL) and Hero in winter was more impressive to me.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 15 2014 14:54 GMT
#750
On February 15 2014 23:53 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:52 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:48 opterown wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:47 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:45 Mozdk wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:43 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:41 Mozdk wrote:
Aligulac has polt at 73% to beat Mana in a BO3. Argh!


Polt is weak against Soul Trains and Soul Planes. If Mana realizes this, he could win.


So you wouldn't classify Soul Train as a PvZ build?


JUst cause it's only used in PvZ, doesn't mean you can't use it in PvT as Parting has proved time and time and time again.

When did he sentry immortal all in terrans?


Near the end of WoL. I forget the games, but I remember it cause I stole the build and won with it on ladder.

iirc it was on 1 base and/or proxied though?


There were 3 versions I used. Proxy was the choya version though.
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Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
February 15 2014 14:54 GMT
#751
On February 15 2014 23:53 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:52 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:48 opterown wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:47 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:45 Mozdk wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:43 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:41 Mozdk wrote:
Aligulac has polt at 73% to beat Mana in a BO3. Argh!


Polt is weak against Soul Trains and Soul Planes. If Mana realizes this, he could win.


So you wouldn't classify Soul Train as a PvZ build?


JUst cause it's only used in PvZ, doesn't mean you can't use it in PvT as Parting has proved time and time and time again.

When did he sentry immortal all in terrans?


Near the end of WoL. I forget the games, but I remember it cause I stole the build and won with it on ladder.

iirc it was on 1 base and/or proxied though?


He is talking about that weird map with a 3rd on high ground across a choke to your nat ramp. It was in GSL but never ladder. I think.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 15 2014 14:54 GMT
#752
On February 15 2014 23:52 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:48 opterown wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:47 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:45 Mozdk wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:43 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:41 Mozdk wrote:
Aligulac has polt at 73% to beat Mana in a BO3. Argh!


Polt is weak against Soul Trains and Soul Planes. If Mana realizes this, he could win.


So you wouldn't classify Soul Train as a PvZ build?


JUst cause it's only used in PvZ, doesn't mean you can't use it in PvT as Parting has proved time and time and time again.

When did he sentry immortal all in terrans?


Near the end of WoL. I forget the games, but I remember it cause I stole the build and won with it on ladder.

PartinG vs ByuN, Icarus, Code S RO32 Season 1 2013.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 15 2014 14:55 GMT
#753
On February 15 2014 23:53 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:49 m0ck wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:37 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:34 Xoronius wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:19 Nirel wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:14 Xoronius wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:13 ACrow wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:12 Noonius wrote:
why hasn't MaNa found a new team yet? With games like that, it shouldn't be a problem for him to find a team

and he is well spoken, funny and marketable - actually he is exactly what teams should be looking for in a foreign player.

I think the main reason is, that he is also pretty expensive, as one of the top-5 foreign players of all time.

I don't think top 5 all time though: Stephano, Naniwa, Thorzain, Idra, Huk, Scarlett...

I know, I´m pretty late to the party, but since I was watching the game at that time, I´m responding now:
Stephano and Nani are pretty much without a doubt the top 2. HuK has won 3 premiers, so I put him in as well. After that, there are 4 guys with 2 premiers: MaNa, Nerchio, ThorZaIN, Idra. Of those, Nerchio won by far the most money and MaNa has the most overall medals, so I put them in as well. Neither Scarlett or Sen has ever won a premier, so they still have some way to go.


Sen's multiple 3rd place finishes (Most notably at NASL's and Blizzcons) and his 1st at ESL this year are more impressive than most of the wins Mana, Nerchio and Idra ever had.

When mana won ESWC, he won against Stephano at the top of his ZvP reign (and he had the most dominating ZvP in the whole of SC2) and forGG in the final. I don't see how Sen's result is better.


Getting 3rd in WCS 2012 over Curious (Who next season got top 4 in GSL) and Hero in winter was more impressive to me.

that game 5 against hero was glorious

or horrible, if you are a hero fan
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
YoloSwaggins
Profile Joined November 2013
Austria236 Posts
February 15 2014 14:55 GMT
#754
On February 15 2014 23:53 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:53 Nirel wrote:
When did Mana have the best PvT in the world?

when he was the only protoss to beat puma or something, it was only for a short period


it was in the 1-1-1 era when protoss had something like 34% winrate in gsl. Mana was like the only protoss to beat terrans for a time
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
February 15 2014 14:56 GMT
#755
On February 15 2014 23:54 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:52 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:48 opterown wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:47 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:45 Mozdk wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:43 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:41 Mozdk wrote:
Aligulac has polt at 73% to beat Mana in a BO3. Argh!


Polt is weak against Soul Trains and Soul Planes. If Mana realizes this, he could win.


So you wouldn't classify Soul Train as a PvZ build?


JUst cause it's only used in PvZ, doesn't mean you can't use it in PvT as Parting has proved time and time and time again.

When did he sentry immortal all in terrans?


Near the end of WoL. I forget the games, but I remember it cause I stole the build and won with it on ladder.

PartinG vs ByuN, Icarus, Code S RO32 Season 1 2013.


Do you have a document with all these games or just a great memory?
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 15 2014 14:56 GMT
#756
On February 15 2014 23:56 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:54 TheDwf wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:52 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:48 opterown wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:47 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:45 Mozdk wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:43 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:41 Mozdk wrote:
Aligulac has polt at 73% to beat Mana in a BO3. Argh!


Polt is weak against Soul Trains and Soul Planes. If Mana realizes this, he could win.


So you wouldn't classify Soul Train as a PvZ build?


JUst cause it's only used in PvZ, doesn't mean you can't use it in PvT as Parting has proved time and time and time again.

When did he sentry immortal all in terrans?


Near the end of WoL. I forget the games, but I remember it cause I stole the build and won with it on ladder.

PartinG vs ByuN, Icarus, Code S RO32 Season 1 2013.


Do you have a document with all these games or just a great memory?

Both. ;p
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 15 2014 14:56 GMT
#757
Did anyone see what the third map was?
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
February 15 2014 14:56 GMT
#758
On February 15 2014 23:53 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:53 Nirel wrote:
When did Mana have the best PvT in the world?

when he was the only protoss to beat puma or something, it was only for a short period

It feels like too much of a stretch to me btw.
YoloSwaggins
Profile Joined November 2013
Austria236 Posts
February 15 2014 14:57 GMT
#759
On February 15 2014 23:54 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:53 opterown wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:52 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:48 opterown wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:47 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:45 Mozdk wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:43 stuchiu wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:41 Mozdk wrote:
Aligulac has polt at 73% to beat Mana in a BO3. Argh!


Polt is weak against Soul Trains and Soul Planes. If Mana realizes this, he could win.


So you wouldn't classify Soul Train as a PvZ build?


JUst cause it's only used in PvZ, doesn't mean you can't use it in PvT as Parting has proved time and time and time again.

When did he sentry immortal all in terrans?


Near the end of WoL. I forget the games, but I remember it cause I stole the build and won with it on ladder.

iirc it was on 1 base and/or proxied though?


There were 3 versions I used. Proxy was the choya version though.


I stole the proxy one from Welmu, but it works with inbase as well. also there is 1base and 2 base version too, and also one which has +1 armor
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 15 2014 14:57 GMT
#760
On February 15 2014 23:56 Lorning wrote:
Did anyone see what the third map was?

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