• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:21
CEST 22:21
KST 05:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon100Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 8/8 Yamato Cup Series StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall KSL Week #92
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Syncronization issues and can't find games Remastered crash fix suggestions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group C [ASL22] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9539 users

[IEM] Cologne Day 2 - Groups A & B - Page 24

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 114 Next
looken
Profile Joined September 2011
727 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 15:24:11
February 14 2014 15:23 GMT
#461
too bad, only one zerg left. i foresee a lot of PvP incoming in the round of 8
"Jingle Bells, Tasteless smells" Artosis 17.12.15
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 14 2014 15:24 GMT
#462
On February 15 2014 00:23 Maniak_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:20 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:19 Maniak_ wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:18 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Because he isn't dropping 8 Marines, he got 3-4 full loaded Medivacs and you can't just defend it with Mutas, you have to use Lings and Banelings or you won't trade efficiently. And there weren't so many Mutas at all to be honest, less then 20 if I saw that correctly.

And lings & banes are useless to defend this when the marines are between buildings...

Plus roaches are the worst thing ever to defend drops and they were still part of his composition for a long time.

Then again, what does zerg have to defend again drops of 24 marines?

It's a matter of army movement. But going lings/banes/roaches into mutas certainly does not help against this style.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 14 2014 15:24 GMT
#463
On February 15 2014 00:21 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:18 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:16 Qwerty85 wrote:
How the hell does he do so much damage with drops with so many mutas on the map?

Because he isn't dropping 8 Marines, he got 3-4 full loaded Medivacs and you can't just defend it with Mutas, you have to use Lings and Banelings or you won't trade efficiently. And there weren't so many Mutas at all to be honest, less then 20 if I saw that correctly.


Yeah but when I try that I usually lose all my medivacs Innovation style :D

ForGG would too, if he didn't attack at 2-3 places at once. :D

But what other people are saying is also correct, this has a lot to do with the map.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 14 2014 15:27 GMT
#464
So BM to le ToD
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 14 2014 15:27 GMT
#465
Hahah, that Valentine card
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
February 14 2014 15:28 GMT
#466
nice call tod a dbag on the main screen. wp production
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
February 14 2014 15:29 GMT
#467
On February 15 2014 00:27 Darkhoarse wrote:
So BM to le ToD

http://sc2hl.com/highlight/1132
Maniak_
Profile Joined October 2010
France305 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 15:29:52
February 14 2014 15:29 GMT
#468
On February 15 2014 00:24 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:23 Maniak_ wrote:
Then again, what does zerg have to defend again drops of 24 marines?

It's a matter of army movement. But going lings/banes/roaches into mutas certainly does not help against this style.

Except for hydras, that's pretty much all the units that can be made at this point in time.
So would hydras be better?

It feels like it's *only* a matter of intercepting the drops before they arrive (which is mostly relying on the terran making a mistake). Once they arrive... what can defend a drop of 3-4 medivacs full of marines in the middle of your buildings?

That's one of the big mysteries of SC2 for me. I just don't see what Zerg can do against this, except trying to see it coming.
"They make psychiatrists get psychoanalyzed before they can get certified, but they don't make a surgeon get cut on. Does that seem right to you?" -- Jubal Early - Firefly
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 14 2014 15:30 GMT
#469
On February 15 2014 00:15 Mensol wrote:
wow team argument here is so dumb.

who cares about prime and startale, they dont even have big sponsor like South Korean Telecom, Samsung and CJ. They're just filler teams.

Filler teams, u focken wot m8
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 14 2014 15:32 GMT
#470
On February 15 2014 00:29 Maniak_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:24 TheDwf wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:23 Maniak_ wrote:
Then again, what does zerg have to defend again drops of 24 marines?

It's a matter of army movement. But going lings/banes/roaches into mutas certainly does not help against this style.

Except for hydras, that's pretty much all the units that can be made at this point in time.
So would hydras be better?

It feels like it's *only* a matter of intercepting the drops before they arrive (which is mostly relying on the terran making a mistake). Once they arrive... what can defend a drop of 3-4 medivacs full of marines in the middle of your buildings?

That's one of the big mysteries of SC2 for me. I just don't see what Zerg can do against this, except trying to see it coming.

No, lings/banes/mutas is fine, but Zerg has to pre-split his army in such a way the drops at the north are defended or at least delayed by lings/banes only; even behind minerals, you cannot drop if there are already 30+ lings waiting. Meanwhile, you defend his elevator at the south with the rest of your army and mutas.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 14 2014 15:32 GMT
#471
On February 15 2014 00:30 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:15 Mensol wrote:
wow team argument here is so dumb.

who cares about prime and startale, they dont even have big sponsor like South Korean Telecom, Samsung and CJ. They're just filler teams.

Filler teams, u focken wot m8

it's ok, nvm that prime has won half the WCS KRs so far. not this one, though, oh well.
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
February 14 2014 15:34 GMT
#472
What song is this?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 14 2014 15:34 GMT
#473
On February 15 2014 00:29 Maniak_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:24 TheDwf wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:23 Maniak_ wrote:
Then again, what does zerg have to defend again drops of 24 marines?

It's a matter of army movement. But going lings/banes/roaches into mutas certainly does not help against this style.

Except for hydras, that's pretty much all the units that can be made at this point in time.
So would hydras be better?

It feels like it's *only* a matter of intercepting the drops before they arrive (which is mostly relying on the terran making a mistake). Once they arrive... what can defend a drop of 3-4 medivacs full of marines in the middle of your buildings?

That's one of the big mysteries of SC2 for me. I just don't see what Zerg can do against this, except trying to see it coming.

Not hydras. You actually want to skip roaches and just have a lot of ling/bling then get mutas. Then you leave fairly large groups of units at your bases and spot drops with overlords.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
February 14 2014 15:34 GMT
#474
See if HerO loses now, I'd feel so badly inside. Wouldn't be the first time we've seen a rematch go from 2-0 to 0-2
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
February 14 2014 15:34 GMT
#475
On February 15 2014 00:34 Derez wrote:
What song is this?


Sandstorm?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 14 2014 15:35 GMT
#476
On February 15 2014 00:32 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:30 Muffloe wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:15 Mensol wrote:
wow team argument here is so dumb.

who cares about prime and startale, they dont even have big sponsor like South Korean Telecom, Samsung and CJ. They're just filler teams.

Filler teams, u focken wot m8

it's ok, nvm that prime has won half the WCS KRs so far. not this one, though, oh well.

Well, it was probably a joke anyway
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 15:35:51
February 14 2014 15:35 GMT
#477
On February 15 2014 00:34 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:34 Derez wrote:
What song is this?


Sandstorm?

No seriously. Sounds like something from Madeon but none of my apps recognize it,

Anyone?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 14 2014 15:35 GMT
#478
On February 15 2014 00:35 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:32 opterown wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:30 Muffloe wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:15 Mensol wrote:
wow team argument here is so dumb.

who cares about prime and startale, they dont even have big sponsor like South Korean Telecom, Samsung and CJ. They're just filler teams.

Filler teams, u focken wot m8

it's ok, nvm that prime has won half the WCS KRs so far. not this one, though, oh well.

Well, it was probably a joke anyway

SRSBSNS
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
February 14 2014 15:37 GMT
#479
On February 15 2014 00:23 looken wrote:
too bad, only one zerg left. i foresee a lot of PvP incoming in the round of 8


It is only the fifth tournament in a row with PvP finals after all if it happens.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 14 2014 15:38 GMT
#480
Handsomeness pouring from the screen.
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 114 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RotterdaM Event
16:15
Rotti's PatchesSC Open #4
RotterdaM838
IndyStarCraft 270
TKL 257
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 838
ByuN 580
IndyStarCraft 270
TKL 257
EmSc Tv 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18723
Shuttle 786
Dewaltoss 124
Trap 15
Dota 2
monkeys_forever194
League of Legends
Doublelift2309
Counter-Strike
fl0m872
pashabiceps771
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3567
Liquid`Hasu428
MindelVK43
Other Games
summit1g5256
FrodaN2535
hiko1146
Coldzera 383
B2W.Neo341
KnowMe271
ToD194
C9.Mang0134
Livibee120
ArmadaUGS105
QueenE67
Trikslyr55
ZombieGrub49
CosmosSc2 4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1483
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 22
EmSc2Tv 22
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 40
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie641
• Scarra449
• Shiphtur118
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 39m
GSL
14h 39m
AI Arena Tournament
20h 39m
Replay Cast
1d 3h
GSL
1d 14h
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
1d 18h
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.