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looken
Profile Joined September 2011
727 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 15:24:11
February 14 2014 15:23 GMT
#461
too bad, only one zerg left. i foresee a lot of PvP incoming in the round of 8
"Jingle Bells, Tasteless smells" Artosis 17.12.15
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 14 2014 15:24 GMT
#462
On February 15 2014 00:23 Maniak_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:20 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:19 Maniak_ wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:18 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Because he isn't dropping 8 Marines, he got 3-4 full loaded Medivacs and you can't just defend it with Mutas, you have to use Lings and Banelings or you won't trade efficiently. And there weren't so many Mutas at all to be honest, less then 20 if I saw that correctly.

And lings & banes are useless to defend this when the marines are between buildings...

Plus roaches are the worst thing ever to defend drops and they were still part of his composition for a long time.

Then again, what does zerg have to defend again drops of 24 marines?

It's a matter of army movement. But going lings/banes/roaches into mutas certainly does not help against this style.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 14 2014 15:24 GMT
#463
On February 15 2014 00:21 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:18 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:16 Qwerty85 wrote:
How the hell does he do so much damage with drops with so many mutas on the map?

Because he isn't dropping 8 Marines, he got 3-4 full loaded Medivacs and you can't just defend it with Mutas, you have to use Lings and Banelings or you won't trade efficiently. And there weren't so many Mutas at all to be honest, less then 20 if I saw that correctly.


Yeah but when I try that I usually lose all my medivacs Innovation style :D

ForGG would too, if he didn't attack at 2-3 places at once. :D

But what other people are saying is also correct, this has a lot to do with the map.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 14 2014 15:27 GMT
#464
So BM to le ToD
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
February 14 2014 15:27 GMT
#465
Hahah, that Valentine card
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
February 14 2014 15:28 GMT
#466
nice call tod a dbag on the main screen. wp production
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
February 14 2014 15:29 GMT
#467
On February 15 2014 00:27 Darkhoarse wrote:
So BM to le ToD

http://sc2hl.com/highlight/1132
Maniak_
Profile Joined October 2010
France305 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 15:29:52
February 14 2014 15:29 GMT
#468
On February 15 2014 00:24 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:23 Maniak_ wrote:
Then again, what does zerg have to defend again drops of 24 marines?

It's a matter of army movement. But going lings/banes/roaches into mutas certainly does not help against this style.

Except for hydras, that's pretty much all the units that can be made at this point in time.
So would hydras be better?

It feels like it's *only* a matter of intercepting the drops before they arrive (which is mostly relying on the terran making a mistake). Once they arrive... what can defend a drop of 3-4 medivacs full of marines in the middle of your buildings?

That's one of the big mysteries of SC2 for me. I just don't see what Zerg can do against this, except trying to see it coming.
"They make psychiatrists get psychoanalyzed before they can get certified, but they don't make a surgeon get cut on. Does that seem right to you?" -- Jubal Early - Firefly
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 14 2014 15:30 GMT
#469
On February 15 2014 00:15 Mensol wrote:
wow team argument here is so dumb.

who cares about prime and startale, they dont even have big sponsor like South Korean Telecom, Samsung and CJ. They're just filler teams.

Filler teams, u focken wot m8
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 14 2014 15:32 GMT
#470
On February 15 2014 00:29 Maniak_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:24 TheDwf wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:23 Maniak_ wrote:
Then again, what does zerg have to defend again drops of 24 marines?

It's a matter of army movement. But going lings/banes/roaches into mutas certainly does not help against this style.

Except for hydras, that's pretty much all the units that can be made at this point in time.
So would hydras be better?

It feels like it's *only* a matter of intercepting the drops before they arrive (which is mostly relying on the terran making a mistake). Once they arrive... what can defend a drop of 3-4 medivacs full of marines in the middle of your buildings?

That's one of the big mysteries of SC2 for me. I just don't see what Zerg can do against this, except trying to see it coming.

No, lings/banes/mutas is fine, but Zerg has to pre-split his army in such a way the drops at the north are defended or at least delayed by lings/banes only; even behind minerals, you cannot drop if there are already 30+ lings waiting. Meanwhile, you defend his elevator at the south with the rest of your army and mutas.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 14 2014 15:32 GMT
#471
On February 15 2014 00:30 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:15 Mensol wrote:
wow team argument here is so dumb.

who cares about prime and startale, they dont even have big sponsor like South Korean Telecom, Samsung and CJ. They're just filler teams.

Filler teams, u focken wot m8

it's ok, nvm that prime has won half the WCS KRs so far. not this one, though, oh well.
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Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
February 14 2014 15:34 GMT
#472
What song is this?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 14 2014 15:34 GMT
#473
On February 15 2014 00:29 Maniak_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:24 TheDwf wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:23 Maniak_ wrote:
Then again, what does zerg have to defend again drops of 24 marines?

It's a matter of army movement. But going lings/banes/roaches into mutas certainly does not help against this style.

Except for hydras, that's pretty much all the units that can be made at this point in time.
So would hydras be better?

It feels like it's *only* a matter of intercepting the drops before they arrive (which is mostly relying on the terran making a mistake). Once they arrive... what can defend a drop of 3-4 medivacs full of marines in the middle of your buildings?

That's one of the big mysteries of SC2 for me. I just don't see what Zerg can do against this, except trying to see it coming.

Not hydras. You actually want to skip roaches and just have a lot of ling/bling then get mutas. Then you leave fairly large groups of units at your bases and spot drops with overlords.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
February 14 2014 15:34 GMT
#474
See if HerO loses now, I'd feel so badly inside. Wouldn't be the first time we've seen a rematch go from 2-0 to 0-2
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
February 14 2014 15:34 GMT
#475
On February 15 2014 00:34 Derez wrote:
What song is this?


Sandstorm?
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 14 2014 15:35 GMT
#476
On February 15 2014 00:32 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:30 Muffloe wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:15 Mensol wrote:
wow team argument here is so dumb.

who cares about prime and startale, they dont even have big sponsor like South Korean Telecom, Samsung and CJ. They're just filler teams.

Filler teams, u focken wot m8

it's ok, nvm that prime has won half the WCS KRs so far. not this one, though, oh well.

Well, it was probably a joke anyway
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-14 15:35:51
February 14 2014 15:35 GMT
#477
On February 15 2014 00:34 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:34 Derez wrote:
What song is this?


Sandstorm?

No seriously. Sounds like something from Madeon but none of my apps recognize it,

Anyone?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 14 2014 15:35 GMT
#478
On February 15 2014 00:35 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 00:32 opterown wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:30 Muffloe wrote:
On February 15 2014 00:15 Mensol wrote:
wow team argument here is so dumb.

who cares about prime and startale, they dont even have big sponsor like South Korean Telecom, Samsung and CJ. They're just filler teams.

Filler teams, u focken wot m8

it's ok, nvm that prime has won half the WCS KRs so far. not this one, though, oh well.

Well, it was probably a joke anyway

SRSBSNS
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
February 14 2014 15:37 GMT
#479
On February 15 2014 00:23 looken wrote:
too bad, only one zerg left. i foresee a lot of PvP incoming in the round of 8


It is only the fifth tournament in a row with PvP finals after all if it happens.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 14 2014 15:38 GMT
#480
Handsomeness pouring from the screen.
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