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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i2.minus.com/ilWnoWg6GehHp.png) Tuesday, Jan 14 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Proleague/Round_1 ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/3/30/Writers_Icon.png/15px-Writers_Icon.png){kind=icon} ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r9ZH0.png) ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/c/c6/Uk.png) twitch.tv | youtube | ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/3/36/Kr.png) youtube![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Nh3B0hh.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LBr19.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yXp3Okj.png)  PartinG < Yeonsu LE > herOClassic < Sejong Research Station >  Hydra BrAvO < Bel'Shir Vestige LE > SoraSoulkey < Outboxer > EffOrtAce: Frost LE ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png) + Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] + + Show Spoiler [Overall Results] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l5YZ8.png) + Show Spoiler + Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Ace Match ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3wcCS.png) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WdLE8.png) + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
Poll: Winner? SKT T1 (19) CJ Entus (14) 33 total votes Your vote: Winner? Poll: Most Anticipated Match PartinG vs herO (16) BrAvO vs Sora (7) Soulkey vs EffOrt (6) Classic vs Hydra (4) 33 total votes Your vote: Most Anticipated Match (Vote): PartinG vs herO BONUS POLL! Poll: Will Zealously Curse Strike Again? SKT T1 Bought The League Anyway (12) Damn You Zealously! (9) Yes, CJ lose 3-0 (5) No, CJ Will Win! (3) 29 total votes Your vote: Will Zealously Curse Strike Again? (Vote): Yes, CJ lose 3-0 | ||
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MosART
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NovaMB
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 Go CJ Entus, beat SKT to the ground! | ||
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HolydaKing
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Parting < herO Classic > Hydra BrAvO < Sora Soulkey < EffOrt Btw, nice to see a different lineup from SKT, why no Fantasy though? | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Now, being slightly more reasonable, this is what could happen on a good CJ day and a standard SKT day: Parting > herO Classic < Hydra (please don't turtle) Bravo < Sora Soulkey < Effort herO has good PvP, but I don't think he can consistently stand up to Parting's absolutely absurd ~75% win rate over the last few months. Hydra still has really good ZvP but tends to falter late-game - he can beat Classic, but probably only early- and midgame. Bravo has really good TvP, but I'll still favor Sora over him every day of the week. And as for Soulkey, he hasn't exactly looked too hot since joining SKT and Effort took out the Wrecking Byul last week and has great ZvZ over all while it may very well be Soulkey's worst. Of course, this all assumes CJ doesn't flop like on three other occassions, but I don't think they will. So to summarise: if Hydra beats Classic, CJ takes it 3-1. Hydra loses to Classic, the pressure is on and Sora might have to play the ace against Parting, which isn't exactly something CJ will want to do. | ||
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SAFenix
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He must play in the ace to become 3-2 and prove he is #1 again.Also, gogo PartinG and Soulkey <3 SKT Fighting. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
PartinG will just put him in shambles. But i expect some cheese from herO for sure, because he has nothing to lose in this game. *Why the fuck btw all are cheesing sOs and noone EVEN TRIED to cheese PartinG (except Terror but uhm)?* 1-0 SKT T1. I will give big edge for Classic as well because Hydra, oh. He is 0-4, but it's totally different 0-4 from sOs's one. He's just constantly throwing in mid/late game. He's always ahead, he's always far ahead but always everything ends in same style when Hydra throws all what he has just to lose. So, it's 2-0 already for SKT T1. BrAvO is some kind of trick pony for me, hadn't seen him since last Proleague but i guess Sora is totally capable of doing this. 2-1, CJ Entus are still behind. SoulKey is like sOs, he's in slump right now. But it's ZvZ, effOrt will go for his lovely roaches, like he always does in ZvZ and i feel like Byul threw game by himself (+ infestors are cute ofc). Soulkey can really do it, especially on Outboxer. Noone will cheese him with proxy gateway/forge, noone will put tanks and turrets right above his third. (inb4 effOrt will proxy hatchery and 2-base banelings) 3-1 SKT T1. Also i have one question. Where are amazing yellow jackets of CJ Entus? They and SKT T1 had the best jackets and now (Samsung's fluffies are in top-3 ofc). | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 14 2014 06:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Poor herO. I love his smile but he was already smashed by Maru and now he got another best player for his race in the world. PartinG will just put him in shambles. But i expect some cheese from herO for sure, because he has nothing to lose in this game. *Why the fuck btw all are cheesing sOs and noone EVEN TRIED to cheese PartinG (except Terror but uhm)?* 1-0 SKT T1. I will give big edge for Classic as well because Hydra, oh. He is 0-4, but it's totally different 0-4 from sOs's one. He's just constantly throwing in mid/late game. He's always ahead, he's always far ahead but always everything ends in same style when Hydra throws all what he has just to lose. So, it's 2-0 already for SKT T1. BrAvO is some kind of trick pony for me, hadn't seen him since last Proleague but i guess Sora is totally capable of doing this. 2-1, CJ Entus are still behind. SoulKey is like sOs, he's in slump right now. But it's ZvZ, effOrt will go for his lovely roaches, like he always does in ZvZ and i feel like Byul threw game by himself (+ infestors are cute ofc). Soulkey can really do it, especially on Outboxer. Noone will cheese him with proxy gateway/forge, noone will put tanks and turrets right above his third. (inb4 effOrt will proxy hatchery and 2-base banelings) 3-1 SKT T1. Also i have one question. Where are amazing yellow jackets of CJ Entus? They and SKT T1 had the best jackets and now (Samsung's fluffies are in top-3 ofc).Pitiful doubter. CJ will show you the error of your ways. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On January 14 2014 07:18 Zealously wrote: Pitiful doubter. CJ will show you the error of your ways. How dare you. No info about jacket's colour? | ||
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usopsama
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The_Templar
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Classic < Hydra BrAvO < Sora Soulkey > EffOrt (?) PartinG < Sora | ||
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GTPGlitch
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On January 14 2014 09:16 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: How dare you. No info about jacket's colour? Uniforms change] | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 14 2014 06:55 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: *Why the fuck btw all are cheesing sOs and noone EVEN TRIED to cheese PartinG Just ask Life :D imo: (P)PartinG < (P)herO (P)Classic < (Z)Hydra (T)BrAvO < (P)Sora If herO loses this Effort has this though, so CJ with the easy win here i feel. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 14 2014 17:05 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Whats up with all that CJ optimism? Cheering for the underdog is so late 20th century. sktt1 overhyped, no optimism needed | ||
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
On January 14 2014 10:16 Pangpootata wrote: CJ 3-0. Revenge of Coach Park Coach Park vs. SKT is something I hadn't thought about. Hope Wolf and Brendan get some mileage out of it  On January 14 2014 02:23 Zealously wrote: Bravo has really good TvP, but I'll still favor Sora over him every day of the week. I haven't really watched him but... Aligulac has vP as his weakest matchup. By far. That a typo or are the stats not telling the tails? Parting > herO Classic > Hydra Bravo < Sora Soulkey < Effort Can a player who hasn't been fielded in the game be in the ace match? Rain < herO CJ needs a hero. Luckily they have one. | ||
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Pandemona
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insitelol
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Ragnarork
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 Esp. interested by Classic - Hydra, could be good On January 14 2014 17:29 Dapper_Cad wrote: CJ needs a hero. Luckily they have one. Wow, lame. (I like it ) | ||
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Ragnarork
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On January 14 2014 18:05 Fjodorov wrote: Im not sure im ready to watch another ZvP from Hydra. I hope he can get it right this time Heh, if you cheer for protoss, any ZvP from Hydra is a good game | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
That was so tense! Champions league final all over again ^_^ | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
What on earth do FIFA players get up to in Korea man wtf xD | ||
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Heartland
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Undead1993
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On January 14 2014 18:27 Heartland wrote: Why are we fielding a Terran today probably because terran has a 67% percent winrate in pl so far? | ||
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GreenMash
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On January 14 2014 18:32 Heartland wrote: What is an entus anyway? I always though it was a flower lol | ||
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opterown
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On January 14 2014 18:32 Undead1993 wrote: probably because terran has a 67% percent winrate in pl so far? only 3 terrans have a positive win rate compared to 7 zergs and 4 protoss, it's a bit lopsided | ||
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AlternativeEgo
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On January 14 2014 18:32 Heartland wrote: What is an entus anyway? "entertain us" | ||
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Muffloe
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W8 a sec, Parting - Shine? :o | ||
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Undead1993
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On January 14 2014 18:35 opterown wrote: only 3 terrans have a positive win rate compared to 7 zergs and 4 protoss, it's a bit lopsided only 2 terrans have a negative winrate compared to 11 toss ( didn't count zergs) we can do this forever but in the end a terran win is a terran win | ||
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Heartland
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Really? What's with Koreans and abbreviating english in their own way? | ||
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opterown
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On January 14 2014 18:37 Undead1993 wrote: only 2 terrans have a negative winrate compared to 11 toss ( didn't count zergs) we can do this forever but in the end a terran win is a terran win my point is fielding any random old terran clearly doesn't mean a 67% win rate | ||
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Undead1993
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On January 14 2014 18:38 opterown wrote: my point is fielding any random old terran clearly doesn't mean a 67% win rate i agree | ||
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usopsama
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On January 14 2014 18:38 jekku wrote: Does CJ seriously have no one better to field then hydra? More importantly, they chose hon_sin over Fantasy................. | ||
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Neemi
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On January 14 2014 18:32 Undead1993 wrote: probably because terran has a 67% percent winrate in pl so far? Yeah but the Terrans being sent out are mostly Maru, Flash & TY, who have a combined 13-2 out of 27 games T played. The rest is at 5-7, so it doesn't say much. Edit: Apparently we already arrived to this conclusion, never mind | ||
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Shellshock
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On January 14 2014 18:38 jekku wrote: Does CJ seriously have no one better to field then hydra? What ever happened to Bunny? he seemed like a good up and coming player for a while but haven't seen him at all | ||
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Pangpootata
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On January 14 2014 18:40 usopsama wrote: More importantly, they chose hon_sin over Fantasy................. Do not underestimate hon_sin. He is a heavyweight player who will easily roll over his opponents. | ||
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jekku
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On January 14 2014 18:40 usopsama wrote: More importantly, they chose hon_sin over Fantasy................. That's cause Fantas brutal . And i was also thinking of bunny. From what I saw of him he def looked like an up and comer. | ||
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Pandemona
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:38 jekku wrote: Does CJ seriously have no one better to field then hydra? Hydra is good | ||
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jekku
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Good at throwing leads away maybe. | ||
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Undead1993
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uhh bold statement, i dunno kev | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
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On January 14 2014 18:41 Pangpootata wrote: Do not underestimate hon_sin. He is a heavyweight player who will easily roll over his opponents. Yeah he will...sadly. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
How many of his games have you watched? 4 lost games does not a bad player make | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:38 jekku wrote: Does CJ seriously have no one better to field then hydra? worth reminding you that he fucked up 3/6 rounds last year and still ended up like top6 overall | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
>.< Jeez you don't help yourself sometimes Mr Zealously | ||
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jekku
Canada1640 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:44 Zealously wrote: How many of his games have you watched? 4 lost games does not a bad player make I've seen him try play late game. And looking very poor at doing it. It's disappointing really. He is a solid player. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:44 Pandemona wrote: >.< Jeez you don't help yourself sometimes Mr Zealously But he is right. Hydra is good, although unstable. Last year, he fucked up 3/6 rounds and still ended up at like Top3 Zerg. | ||
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ACrow
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Yes! He is excellent! I'm very proud to have him on my anti, he is a true over-achiever in his role! | ||
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Schelim
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On January 14 2014 18:46 artosismermaid wrote: I don't want to be rude but this other caster wolf is with needs a thread to support him in improving his casting, he literally just repeats everything wolf says and rewords it without trying to be insulting, i think Brendan needs to step up his commentating. he really just rephrases whatever Wolf says. | ||
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SoleSteeler
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On January 14 2014 18:43 liberate71 wrote: Wow this in-game FPS is pretty bad? :| It looks that way on my end, too. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:45 Ammanas wrote: But he is right. Hydra is good, although unstable. Last year, he fucked up 3/6 rounds and still ended up at like Top3 Zerg. I had him in my FPL last season ^_^ He was good because of the maps he had to play with, many of his wins where crazy cheese wins. Mainly abusing rock positions vs Protoss ^_^ I remember him doing crazy shit on Araknoid too. | ||
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Ammanas
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dat smile! | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
herO just REKT him 0..O | ||
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On January 14 2014 18:52 Muffloe wrote: Wow, who actually saw that coming? WP herO! My heart said yes. My head said know. Should have gone with my heart! | ||
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Pandemona
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On January 14 2014 18:53 Pandemona wrote: | ||
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On January 14 2014 18:56 Levistus wrote: hey guys newb here. can you please explain why hero had double the stalkers of parting? thanks. cause he is just so good <3 On January 14 2014 18:57 ImHuko wrote: I am so ashamed I don't remember his name, but who is the leftside caster? Used to watch him all the time in BW that's Canata I think..? | ||
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Caihead
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On January 14 2014 18:56 Levistus wrote: hey guys newb here. can you please explain why hero had double the stalkers of parting? thanks. Faster nexus, more gateways early game, defensive tech = slightly more econ, easy game pick offs. | ||
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killer1nz
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On January 14 2014 18:56 Levistus wrote: hey guys newb here. can you please explain why hero had double the stalkers of parting? thanks. he stopped probe production | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:56 Levistus wrote: hey guys newb here. can you please explain why hero had double the stalkers of parting? thanks. cut robo in the beginning, stopped probing had only 4 probes at his natural, parting was supply blocked at 42 for quite some time. | ||
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iLoveKT
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Zealously
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Now watch based Hydra 2-0 and Lightning Toss own hon_scrub | ||
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ImHuko
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On January 14 2014 18:57 Ammanas wrote: cause he is just so good <3 that's Canata I think..? Yep, ty! | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:56 Levistus wrote: hey guys newb here. can you please explain why hero had double the stalkers of parting? thanks. Only thing i can think of is that the expansion from herO was a fake out, PartinG continues making probes whilst herO just made units. I think the double chrono boost on the robo making 2 Immortals was the key to knowing what he was doing. herO didn't move from like 29 probes after his expansion went up, thus he just kept making Stalkers. 20 vs 12 gg | ||
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imre
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On January 14 2014 18:56 Levistus wrote: hey guys newb here. can you please explain why hero had double the stalkers of parting? thanks. he made an early 2nd base but actually tricked parting by not building probes while parting was building some in order to catch up economy wise. Then he got a 4th gate while parting went for a macro build with a forge. bid mistake by parting for the fail scouting with his obs. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:58 Zealously wrote: I TOLD YOU ALL CJ IS SICK Now watch based Hydra 2-0 and Lightning Toss own hon_scrub time to win juicy, juicy FPL points!~ | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 14 2014 18:58 Zealously wrote: I TOLD YOU ALL CJ IS SICK Now watch based Hydra 2-0 and Lightning Toss own hon_scrub the pug life of hon_scrub lol. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
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On January 14 2014 18:58 Elroi wrote: Don't we all just want to forget Canata? -___- Got curious and searched. So what happened? o.O | ||
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Pandemona
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Pangpootata
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Turtled behind shitloads of tanks and turrets so he had a lot of time to put on makeup and go for plastic surgery. | ||
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SoleSteeler
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I'm on low settings... | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:06 SoleSteeler wrote: Twitch lagging like crazy for anyone else? I'm on low settings... same, switching to yt. twitch has been shitty for a few days :'( | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:14 jekku wrote: Well... time for coach park to have a b-team tournament to see who replaces hydra. more like an open tournament for master players | ||
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Pandemona
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On January 14 2014 19:15 Pandemona wrote: | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
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On January 14 2014 19:15 Garnet wrote: Hydra just can't play vs. Protoss. or terran... | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 14 2014 19:15 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Yeah he's just terrible...that is all :/ Nope, still not. | ||
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Ragnarork
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Edit: Apparently yes! What a surprise! | ||
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Sassback
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or was it pretty much a lost cause even before that? | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:17 Sassback wrote: Would hydra have been in such a bad spot if he had know that oracle was coming, and didn't get 8 workers murdered at his 3rd? I don't think he could've scouted it early enough to build the spore in time and the third was so far away that he couldn't reinforce with a 2nd queen due to the cannon rush. Maybe he could've saved 2-3 of the drones had he started the spore a tad earlier, but the rest is just a consequence of the cannon rush, kind of guaranteed damage, really. | ||
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Pandemona
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gingerfluffmuff
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On January 14 2014 19:20 ACrow wrote: I don't think he could've scouted it early enough to build the spore in time and the third was so far away that he couldn't reinforce with a 2nd queen due to the cannon rush. Maybe he could've saved 2-3 of the drones had he started the spore a tad earlier, but the rest is just a consequence of the cannon rush, kind of guaranteed damage, really. Well written, i think the same. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:20 ACrow wrote: I don't think he could've scouted it early enough to build the spore in time and the third was so far away that he couldn't reinforce with a 2nd queen due to the cannon rush. Maybe he could've saved 2-3 of the drones had he started the spore a tad earlier, but the rest is just a consequence of the cannon rush, kind of guaranteed damage, really. T_T Zerg's anti air makes me cry | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:22 Destructicon wrote: WTF? Bravo over Fantasy? What has the world come to?! if fantasy still has his macro problem it's not that surprising... | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:24 sAsImre wrote: if fantasy still has his macro problem it's not that surprising... Fanta has more than a macro problem ^_^ Has a "Wtf is this SC2 game im playing im not very good at it, but sometimes i show good games....then i play like a bronze leaguer" problem | ||
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OMG that MSC loss! | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:01 Ammanas wrote: inb4 Hydra 2-5 this round and 7-0 next round. Then a number of FPLers get him on the team. He goes 1-6 in 3rd round. Not even the slightest chance of that happening | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:25 Pandemona wrote: Fanta has more than a macro problem ^_^ Has a "Wtf is this SC2 game im playing im not very good at it, but sometimes i show good games....then i play like a bronze leaguer" problem well as soon as you give him an harass unit he does wonders. Or stomp jd with 1k/500 in bank between 10 and 20minutes. If he fixes it he's code S so easily. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:26 foxmeep wrote: Not even the slightest chance of that happening Just like last season's PL? | ||
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1 hp | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:28 True_Spike wrote: Holy shit. How unlucky. calculated  | ||
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Edit: Aw man, could have been huge... | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:29 Destructicon wrote: If I was Bravo I think I'd GG out right there, its just one of those games where nothing goes right. Sora doesnt seem to be willing to abuse his build so it's alright | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:30 Lazzi wrote: What about droping a ghost for emp the nexus, then you just need one hit Too bad he has no ghost. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:30 Lazzi wrote: What about droping a ghost for emp the nexus, then you just need one hit yamato it for more style points | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:30 walsh_walsh wrote: the fuck is this game? the fuck is this game? the fuck is this game? I'M ENTERTAINED ! | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:30 Ragnarork wrote: Ouch no cancel I think... yeah Sora is playing really bad this game :'( | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:30 Lazzi wrote: What about droping a ghost for emp the nexus, then you just need one hit Wrong, EMP does 100 Shield and Energy damage, it doesn't destroy all shields and energy. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:30 sAsImre wrote: Sora doesnt seem to be willing to abuse his build so it's alright I also thought its gg but now it looks alright i guess | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:30 sAsImre wrote: yeah Sora is playing really bad this game :'( And BrAvO is doing well, abusing the immobility of Sora's army forced to defend the natural's nexus! | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:30 sAsImre wrote: Sora doesnt seem to be willing to abuse his build so it's alright This game is far from over guys... don't get me wrong that was kinda good for Sora, and damn funny. But the DTs did nothing and are still not a small investment. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:31 ETisME wrote: I don't understand how bravo is in such a good shape even after that fail nexus snipe into loses whole army Sora got a bunch of stuff that he doesn't use (2 twilights, blink, dts...) and let bravo got away with a fast third off a late port | ||
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SeventhPride
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On January 14 2014 19:31 ETisME wrote: I don't understand how bravo is in such a good shape even after that fail nexus snipe into loses whole army Feels more like Sora's mistake then bravo's ability, not that bravo is bad but Sora is not playing well imo. | ||
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Unless he has Byun ghost control Or take a fight vs high ground 0.O Let stalkers freely kill every viking xD | ||
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This is a day for warriors. | ||
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They're just like us... | ||
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KILL THEM Q_Q | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:35 Pandemona wrote: No drops from Bravo is costing him here. Sniping that natural nexus would be pretty huge ^_^ That 3 O'clock expansion is like completely open... | ||
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at least it is a close match that way... | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:38 ACrow wrote: They are both playing so sloppily at least it is a close match that way... foreigner lvl ... | ||
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Nice, now bring it on home Bravo Why i am saying this i don't know as i have sora on FPL | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:40 tar wrote: sora's army simply isn't beefy enough. the next push will kill him nah too many marines and no ghosts atm. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:40 tar wrote: sora's army simply isn't beefy enough. the next push will kill him You underestimate the Lightning Toss | ||
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Normally when Protoss turtles, they accumulate units, not fall further and further behind... | ||
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No beef -> no energy-> no lightning | ||
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you probably overestimate it like you do with hydra | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:42 AlternativeEgo wrote: Game of the week right here why? in terms of bad gameplay it's up there but that's all. It's been close just because both of them played this really badly. | ||
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Mmmh, the other way around, no? Aren't you overestimating? | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:43 Tsubbi wrote: how in the hell could sora lose this game after the 1 hp nexus incident terran OP | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:43 RHoudini wrote: Bravo BrAvO! Hehehe ! Mandatory. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:43 Ragnarork wrote: Mmmh, the other way around, no? Aren't you overestimating? Not really, Bravo is a good player | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:43 Pandemona wrote: | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:43 sAsImre wrote: why? in terms of bad gameplay it's up there but that's all. It's been close just because both of them played this really badly. It's all about the entertainment value. I was very entertained. | ||
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Right! Though that looked like "A bit sloppy" versus "a bit more sloppy". | ||
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Looked good, wouldn't mind seeing him in a BO3 to make sure though. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:45 AlternativeEgo wrote: It's all about the entertainment value. I was very entertained. well i find it hard to be entertained when I'm just wondering which next level throw is gonna happen :'( | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:46 TAMinator wrote: Dont really understand why you'd go tempests in PvT, but was a nice game nonetheless To snipe ghosts ? | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:45 juvenal wrote: SKT fans should be proud, while that startale guy got rekt, these woongjin and stx players save the day. Yeah. This Startale guy is 4 - 1 in Proleague. How bad. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:46 TAMinator wrote: Dont really understand why you'd go tempests in PvT, but was a nice game nonetheless if you got a lategame army it forces the T to engage you or he gets chunked down bit by bits. | ||
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to force a terran to attack you so you can storm him | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:46 TAMinator wrote: Dont really understand why you'd go tempests in PvT, but was a nice game nonetheless To snipe key units from afar and force awkward engagements. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:48 Zealously wrote: ZvZ scrub vs ZvZ bonjwa Soulkey is the scrub right? | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:48 Zealously wrote: ZvZ scrub vs ZvZ bonjwa In ZvZ anything can happen though. | ||
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Correct! | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:47 Ragnarork wrote: Yeah. This Startale guy is 4 - 1 in Proleague. How bad. kespa-vs-esf syndrome? What i wrote has nothing to do with that. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:45 juvenal wrote: SKT fans should be proud, while that startale guy got rekt, these woongjin and stx players save the day. What an odd post. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:50 Tsubbi wrote: did wolf just call soulkey "one of the better zerg players last year"? Sorry, but he's no RorO | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:50 Tsubbi wrote: did wolf just call soulkey "one of the better zerg players last year"? isn't he? | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:50 Tsubbi wrote: did wolf just call soulkey "one of the better zerg players last year"? RorO > SK. | ||
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RorO is best Zerg - World | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:50 Tsubbi wrote: did wolf just call soulkey "one of the better zerg players last year"? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Hot6ix_Cup confirmed by gom | ||
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guess the number one ranked overall player qualifies for one of the better zerg players also ughh gasless zvz | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:50 Tsubbi wrote: did wolf just call soulkey "one of the better zerg players last year"? Why wouldn't he? | ||
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the best. nobody was close to his consistency over the year. + winning a GSL | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:52 Muffloe wrote: Strong case for him to best the best player of the whole year, Wolf sounds really discrediting putting it like that The fact that he's not the unanimous best player of 2013 makes it weird to put it any other way | ||
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because he was the best? | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:52 sAsImre wrote: the best. nobody was close to his consistency over the year. + winning a GSL If you are the best, you are by definition also one of the best. Still, it's not cut and dry - Jaedong was more visible and had comparable results (although I'd rate him below SK personally) | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:52 sAsImre wrote: the best. nobody was close to his consistency over the year. + winning a GSL Eh, not sure what world you live in but RORO got the zerg of the year award, not Soulkey. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:52 Muffloe wrote: Strong case for him to best the best player of the whole year, Wolf sounds really discrediting putting it like that he said an undeniable truth instead of something that would be debated by fans, clearly played neutral party there. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:52 Zealously wrote: The fact that he's not the unanimous best player of 2013 makes it weird to put it any other way But RORO. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:52 Zealously wrote: The fact that he's not the unanimous best player of 2013 makes it weird to put it any other way He was the unanimous best Zerg, based on his results. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:52 Zealously wrote: The fact that he's not the unanimous best player of 2013 makes it weird to put it any other way Well he could've said one of the best instead of better, although you can't expect casters to always phrase things in the best possible way :p | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:53 Zealously wrote: If you are the best, you are by definition also one of the best. Still, it's not cut and dry - Jaedong was more visible and had comparable results (although I'd rate him below SK personally) JD managed to only win asus rog, was really discret a the beginning of the year while SK was really good the whole year + winning a GSL. The fact JD got more hype because he's on EG (and being JD) has nothing to do with being the best. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:54 foxmeep wrote: He was the unanimous best Zerg, based on his results. No. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:53 Zealously wrote: If you are the best, you are by definition also one of the best. Still, it's not cut and dry - Jaedong was more visible and had comparable results (although I'd rate him below SK personally) Jaedong got the Stephano treatment. Traveling all around the world. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:54 sAsImre wrote: JD managed to only win asus rog, was really discret a the beginning of the year while SK was really good the whole year + winning a GSL. The fact JD got more hype because he's on EG (and being JD) has nothing to do with being the best. Can we please not act like only 1st places matter, thanks. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:54 Bowzar wrote: Jaedong got the Stephano treatment. Traveling all around the world. stephano actually won a lot of shit when he was brought everywhere :D | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:54 ETisME wrote: god after watching a few games of starbow, I really am prefering SC2 zerg so much more, that amount of lings and their speed is just so much better for me BW cracklings>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything in the universe(- air) | ||
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Whattt. He had 10 Roaches vs 18 i guess i missed some upgrades some where. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:55 sAsImre wrote: stephano actually won a lot of shit when he was brought everywhere :D Not really but he got far in most tournaments. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:56 Bowzar wrote: Not really but he got far in most tournaments. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano/Results still a shit ton of golds. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:57 Baadbeat wrote: Why did effort not back once he sniped the Hatch? He obviously saw he didn't have as much roaches as SK... Seemed sloppy no roach speed, he wouldve lost them anyway so he tried to kill at least a few of soulkeys roaches | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:57 Tsubbi wrote: soulkey couldve held the 3rd hatch and been way ahead, his unit movement was overly cautious imo Wasn't he afraid of being surrounded by the lings to the north if he made a concave to the west? | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:58 sAsImre wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano/Results still a shit ton of golds. No, this is: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Mvp_(player)/Results | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:45 juvenal wrote: SKT fans should be proud, while that startale guy got rekt, these woongjin and stx players save the day. SKT's team in this match has all been bought from other teams in the past year. Tsk tsk, trying so hard to be imitation of old KT. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:58 Tsubbi wrote: no roach speed, he wouldve lost them anyway so he tried to kill at least a few of soulkeys roaches Oh thanks! Just tuned in didn't see that! -_- | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:58 sAsImre wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano/Results still a shit ton of golds. Thats what happens when you participate in pretty much every single tournament. His tournament record is like 8 pages or something ridiculous like that. | ||
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On January 14 2014 19:58 Heartland wrote: Wasn't he afraid of being surrounded by the lings to the north if he made a concave to the west? i guess so but he didnt need to, overestimated efforts army most likely, with full information im sure he wouldve tried to save the 3rd | ||
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WOOOO xD | ||
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On January 14 2014 20:01 Bowzar wrote: Thats what happens when you participate in pretty much every single tournament. His tournament record is like 8 pages or something ridiculous like that. And he was 'rect in the GSL #Naniwa | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs EffOrt Meh Game (8) Good Game (8) Excellent Game (0) Bad Game (0) 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs EffOrt (Vote): Excellent Game | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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VmY
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Ez | ||
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jekku
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NovaMB
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:01 WGT-Baal wrote: Did effort just moved his units instead of a move? yep. Nice level of throwing there. | ||
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Heartland
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Good showing by herO though | ||
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Brutaxilos
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
Jinro is the true GSL hero for us swedes. | ||
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HolydaKing
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ETisME
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AlternativeEgo
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
If Effort win Byul & Soulkey, I will totally regret not trading him for Fantasy. Since Fantasy did not come out at all. LIke my biggest mistake | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:03 DJHelium wrote: Jinro is the true GSL hero for us swedes. well double ro4, nobody came close to that | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs EffOrt Meh Game (8) Good Game (8) Excellent Game (0) Bad Game (0) 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs EffOrt (Vote): Excellent Game | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:03 AlternativeEgo wrote: SO who's the MVP? Bravo or Soulkey? Bravo I reckon | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:03 DJHelium wrote: Jinro is the true GSL hero for us swedes. Of course :D | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:03 sAsImre wrote: well double ro4, nobody came close to that Double ro8 is pretty close and some would argue that what Naniwa did was more impressive I think | ||
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walsh_walsh
United States200 Posts
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Dapper_Cad
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
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AlternativeEgo
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THELEHGOTERRAN
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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tar
Germany991 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5594 Posts
On January 14 2014 19:54 foxmeep wrote: He was the unanimous best Zerg, based on his results. don't forget Jaedong. the two of them were the best zergs last year imo. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:04 Zealously wrote: Double ro8 is pretty close and some would argue that what Naniwa did was more impressive I think i think that what nani did was harder but double ro8 means that you don't win any elimination series. Which is kinda bad in itself and it's not like nani came close to it (or Jinro close to the final :D) | ||
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8485 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:08 Fuell wrote: coach park curse EG Curse now haunts Coach Park! Dem Evil Geniuses... | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:08 Fuell wrote: Zealously curse.... | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:09 opterown wrote: poor coach park/zealously What they're the same? Damn, nobody tells me the cool shit. | ||
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Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3351 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On January 14 2014 02:23 Zealously wrote: CJ ez 3-0 Now, being slightly more reasonable, this is what could happen on a good CJ day and a standard SKT day: Parting > herO Classic < Hydra (please don't turtle) Bravo < Sora Soulkey < Effort herO has good PvP, but I don't think he can consistently stand up to Parting's absolutely absurd ~75% win rate over the last few months. Hydra still has really good ZvP but tends to falter late-game - he can beat Classic, but probably only early- and midgame. Bravo has really good TvP, but I'll still favor Sora over him every day of the week. And as for Soulkey, he hasn't exactly looked too hot since joining SKT and Effort took out the Wrecking Byul last week and has great ZvZ over all while it may very well be Soulkey's worst. Of course, this all assumes CJ doesn't flop like on three other occassions, but I don't think they will. So to summarise: if Hydra beats Classic, CJ takes it 3-1. Hydra loses to Classic, the pressure is on and Sora might have to play the ace against Parting, which isn't exactly something CJ will want to do. heheheh... my FPL is completely and utterly screwed | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:51 The_Templar wrote: heheheh... my FPL is completely and utterly screwed happy birthday templar | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
nahhh.. not as bad as I thought, I traded Classic away from my anti-team so I'm only about -3 or so unless miracles happen in KT vs IM | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
On January 14 2014 21:05 The_Templar wrote: nahhh.. not as bad as I thought, I traded Classic away from my anti-team so I'm only about -3 or so unless miracles happen in KT vs IM its a shame jaedong isnt playing this year really... would be free fpl points for all | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Fucking up my top 20 FPL team, that's why. + Show Spoiler + No trade, motherfuckers. | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On January 14 2014 20:07 sAsImre wrote: i think that what nani did was harder but double ro8 means that you don't win any elimination series. Which is kinda bad in itself and it's not like nani came close to it (or Jinro close to the final :D) Admittedly, he was rect by Mvp(which there is nothing wrong with ^^), but do you even Naniwa vs Dongraegu bro. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51478 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On January 14 2014 18:58 Zealously wrote: I TOLD YOU ALL CJ IS SICK Now watch based Hydra 2-0 and Lightning Toss own hon_scrub fionn 2.0 | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Hydra is 0-5. Guess, they have a litigation with sOs who will lose more, because it's ridiculous. And people still doubt Classic. Of course he's 3rd Protoss in SKT, but there is nothing bad in it. BrAvO played nice. I was like "Sora will definitely get it" after this 1 hp nexus but no. And roach ZvZ, nothing to say about it. EffOrt played 3 ZvZs, whole SPL got 3 ZvZs. Woongjin Stars 3-0 CJ Entus basically. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 15 2014 02:03 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Hope, PartinG wasn't very disappointed about loss. Shit happens. Hydra is 0-5. Guess, they have a litigation with sOs who will lose more, because it's ridiculous. And people still doubt Classic. Of course he's 3rd Protoss in SKT, but there is nothing bad in it. BrAvO played nice. I was like "Sora will definitely get it" after this 1 hp nexus but no. And roach ZvZ, nothing to say about it. EffOrt played 3 ZvZs, whole SPL got 3 ZvZs. Woongjin Stars + STX SPL player n2 3-0 CJ Entus basically. Fixed that for you, do not thank :D | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
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GumBa
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 15 2014 04:16 ArTiFaKs wrote: Sora isn't the CJ ace, herO is. Sora just seems inconsistent, and I duno what they are going to do about Hydra. I think with the results Terran's have been getting it's about time to go back to Bbyong. They need someone else besides herO/Sora to step up and start winning some games consistently. But losing to probably the easier teams early on really hurt them because they are having to win "must win" games against the stronger teams in the league. But it's just disappointing to see Hydra, who was supposed to be the other player besides herO/Sora to step up and take some games and he's been very, very bad. Like that cannon rush, he only sent 1 drone down and didn't respect it, and it ended up costing him the game because of it. He couldn't put on any pressure and was trying to catch up in economy the whole game, especially because of the early 3rd by classic, which Hydra couldn't do anything about because he was so far behind. Everybody is just so much inconsistent ... Back in BW days CJ had Savior , Much and Iris . After that Kwanro , Effort , Movie , Skyhigh and eventually Bbyong and Hydra a fucking monster line-ups . Both Effort and Hydra were ACE player material in BW . Now although their skills aren't inferior to other players they make the stupidest mistakes in game and lose do to them ... herO and Sora are okeish , herO is probably the ace , but he seems to be playing very risky vs strong opponents which costs him games . | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 04:16 ArTiFaKs wrote: Sora isn't the CJ ace, herO is. Sora just seems inconsistent If you say so It hasn't even been a full round yet. CJ was a major disappointment in this round for sure, but given how good their players actually are (yes, fucking Hydra too), I don't see them not shaping up eventually. I'm of the opinion that many SC2 fans are too quick to judge - lose a few games and you're suddenly a bad player, no matter how good you were just weeks ago. Give it time, CJ'll shape up because there is no way they won't. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 15 2014 04:49 Zealously wrote: If you say so It hasn't even been a full round yet. CJ was a major disappointment in this round for sure, but given how good their players actually are (yes, fucking Hydra too), I don't see them not shaping up eventually. I'm of the opinion that many SC2 fans are too quick to judge - lose a few games and you're suddenly a bad player, no matter how good you were just weeks ago. Give it time, CJ'll shape up because there is no way they won't. That is funny cause it appears to me that you judge Hydra purely on IEM singapore / the qualifier for it. Hydra for me is pretty much the definition of mediocrity | ||
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sharkie
Austria18385 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote: That is funny cause it appears to me that you judge Hydra purely on IEM singapore / the qualifier for it. Hydra for me is pretty much the definition of mediocrity hydra is a lot of things, mediocre is surely not one of them... | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote: That is funny cause it appears to me that you judge Hydra purely on IEM singapore / the qualifier for it. Hydra for me is pretty much the definition of mediocrity I judge Hydra by an amount of games twenty times larger than the amount of games he's played this season. He may not be redefining the term bonjwa, but he is not mediocre. | ||
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
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Roman666
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:01 The_Red_Viper wrote: That is funny cause it appears to me that you judge Hydra purely on IEM singapore / the qualifier for it. Hydra for me is pretty much the definition of mediocrity Check the last PL season, he was the zerg player with the most wins. More than Soulkey, Jaedong, Roro and everyone else. I know PL stats aren't the one and only indicator for how great a player is, but having most wins is nothing to scoff at. CJ seems to be an underachieving team for a while now compared to what they seem to be capable of, like KT (except Flash) always overachieves compared to individual league performances. But I agree that their top players are definitely above mediocre. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:38 Neemi wrote: Check the last PL season, he was the zerg player with the most wins. More than Soulkey, Jaedong, Roro and everyone else. I know PL stats aren't the one and only indicator for how great a player is, but having most wins is nothing to scoff at. yes, but flash had the most terran wins and most people consider him mediocre, or slightly better than mediocre | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 05:45 opterown wrote: yes, but flash had the most terran wins and most people consider him mediocre, or slightly better than mediocre I think "mediocre" is being grossly misused, though. I know people sometimes say that Flash "isn't good" but I mean I don't see anything to indicate that he's not. He's not astonishingly good but there are more modes than "bonjwa" and "bad". I suppose people sometimes have difficulty with nuances ^^ | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 15 2014 05:12 Zealously wrote: I judge Hydra by an amount of games twenty times larger than the amount of games he's played this season. He may not be redefining the term bonjwa, but he is not mediocre. I just can't see where he did anything "impressive" in the recent past, iem i guess, but the "impressive" part was online for me and i really don't count online play^^ But yeah i agree with you that people are too fast with judging people from a few games, i just don't agree that this is the case with hydra | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 06:34 The_Red_Viper wrote: I just can't see where he did anything "impressive" in the recent past, iem i guess, but the "impressive" part was online for me and i really don't count online play^^ But yeah i agree with you that people are too fast with judging people from a few games, i just don't agree that this is the case with hydra Well, everyone has the right to an opinion even if the opinion is wrong ^_^ You don't think outperforming (winning more than) players like Soulkey (!), JD, Effort and Roro in last season's Proleague is impressive though? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 15 2014 06:56 Zealously wrote: Well, everyone has the right to an opinion even if the opinion is wrong ^_^ You don't think outperforming (winning more than) players like Soulkey (!), JD, Effort and Roro in last season's Proleague is impressive though? Hehe at least you trust him till the end, but i can't see how a life fan can protect hydra that much Even Roro is better Oo :D That is over half a year ago, i don't see how that is relevant right now, and to be quite honest the winrate isn't that impressive, no ^^ | ||
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Netherlands7031 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5594 Posts
On January 15 2014 04:49 Zealously wrote: If you say so It hasn't even been a full round yet. CJ was a major disappointment in this round for sure, but given how good their players actually are (yes, fucking Hydra too), I don't see them not shaping up eventually. I'm of the opinion that many SC2 fans are too quick to judge - lose a few games and you're suddenly a bad player, no matter how good you were just weeks ago. Give it time, CJ'll shape up because there is no way they won't. I actually agree with you for once. Kt has had worse starts in pl than cj this season and still been able to win it all. On January 15 2014 05:45 opterown wrote: yes, but flash had the most terran wins and most people consider him mediocre, or slightly better than mediocre But they are morons or antifans... | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 07:18 Elroi wrote: I actually agree with you for once. Kt has had worse starts in pl than cj this season and still been able to win it all. For once? I'm hurt! I thought you'd like me more after I defended JD for you | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 15 2014 07:18 Elroi wrote: But they are morons or antifans... Mhm, no they are not. While i agree that he has (probably) huge potential, his play is not all that impressive and his results show that too | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 15 2014 07:29 The_Red_Viper wrote: Mhm, no they are not. While i agree that he has (probably) huge potential, his play is not all that impressive and his results show that too We could probably list all the players that have been forced to put up with three or more groups of death in god damn GSL Ro16 (which means he advanced in the first place, not exactly unimpressive on its own) and it would be a very short list. Flash is not the Terran, but on the same note there aren't that many that are better than him. At least not as many as people would have it seem. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 15 2014 07:57 Zealously wrote: We could probably list all the players that have been forced to put up with three or more groups of death in god damn GSL Ro16 (which means he advanced in the first place, not exactly unimpressive on its own) and it would be a very short list. Flash is not the Terran, but on the same note there aren't that many that are better than him. At least not as many as people would have it seem. Just check his winrates vs koreans in offline events in the last half year, he just makes around 50% Even the games he won this proleague weren't all that impressive and he could have lost at least 2 if the opponents would not have been brain afk^^ I know that reads like i hate on him, i don't want to, but a lot of people still seem to think his BW success will carry over, it clearly won't | ||
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Zealously
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 15 2014 08:10 Zealously wrote: I don't know man Soulkey, Bogus, Jangbi, Flash, Jaedong, Baby, soO, sometimes Fantasy (and Hydra, ZerO, free depending on how high your expectations are) all turned out to be really fucking good - saying they all would make the cut in Code S isn't a long shot at all, and being Code S level pretty much means you're really good. I wouldn't stretch to BW skill = SC2 skill but it's undeniable that many people who were good in BW are good (or better) in SC2. Nah i agree that Flash is pretty good, he wouldn't be in code s (well he has to qualify first this season..^^) otherwise, but i don't see him winning a tournament anytime soon. | ||
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