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On December 07 2013 08:08 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 08:05 StutteR wrote:On December 07 2013 08:04 Hider wrote:On December 07 2013 08:02 Swisslink wrote:On December 07 2013 07:57 Hider wrote:On December 07 2013 07:54 Swisslink wrote:On December 07 2013 07:52 TheDwf wrote:On December 07 2013 07:51 Hider wrote:On December 07 2013 07:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This make muta -> kill orbital -> burrow baneling combobreaker is pretty good Yeh, I think she may have "revoulutiozed" TvZ. At least, I have a hard time seeing terran have any chance vs this unless they get some Ravens. Abusing mass mutas is nothing new, nor revolutionary... But the way he abuses the Baneling landmines all the time to secure the path for the Mutalisks to go back seems REALLY strong. On the other side I think Jjakji should just have gone for the kill instead of moving back and forth all the time. Pretty bad idea against someone like Scarlett imo. Well going for the kill here would be equal to base trade. I don't see how terran can ever win basetrade vs burrowed banelings + mass Muta....... Not without Ravens at least. But I think mixing in Ravens is also just inefficient as they kinda just suck vs muta/bling in straight up battles. Mutalisks will probably get nerfed in one of the coming patches, but untill then terrans will just have to learn to use Raven-mech w/ a very turtle style. I don't believe the offensive bio+mine style really has any long-term viability on the highest level Lets not exaggerate the situation! It's not like the Terrans just lose against Zerg all the time - there are a few Zerg who do REALLY well right now (As long as they don't meet Taeja or someone like that :-P ) but there are more than enough Terrans who still win against these Zerg as well. There might be a problem once the Zerg is ahead and therefore able to focus on Mutalisks alone - but the matchup has the same problem if it's the other way round. If the Zerg is behind... it snowballs out of control rather fast as well. I don't think Scarlett was ahead that game? I remember her being 20 supply down at some point before she went into heavy aggression. But my point is here that I don't think terran has any real chance against that style with their current playstyle. So they need to adapt in some way (I suggested one way in a previous post), but ofc that style only "works" in theory. Regardless, I think Mutalisks are too dominant. Mutalisks were only buffed due to the introduciton of the Widow Mine. Now that they been nerfed, it also makes sense to nerf Mutalisks. Jjakji was way ahead then he lost his third. - Yep, and Jjakji really didn't react appropriately imo. I've never seen a Terran his bases so easily as Jjakji did :-? - Nerfing Mutalisks is risky... you know... Medivacs are pretty damn fast nowadays :-/
Just nerf the regen since WM got nerfed and the first reason muta got this buff was b/c of WM.
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Where is jjakji vs LucifroN?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
ELFI VS ELFIFAN, IT IS ON
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United States23455 Posts
Is anyone streaming Lucifron vs. Jjakji? lol
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All streams showing Scarlett vs elfi, so clever!
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On December 07 2013 08:10 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 08:08 Swisslink wrote:On December 07 2013 08:05 StutteR wrote:On December 07 2013 08:04 Hider wrote:On December 07 2013 08:02 Swisslink wrote:On December 07 2013 07:57 Hider wrote:On December 07 2013 07:54 Swisslink wrote:On December 07 2013 07:52 TheDwf wrote:On December 07 2013 07:51 Hider wrote:On December 07 2013 07:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This make muta -> kill orbital -> burrow baneling combobreaker is pretty good Yeh, I think she may have "revoulutiozed" TvZ. At least, I have a hard time seeing terran have any chance vs this unless they get some Ravens. Abusing mass mutas is nothing new, nor revolutionary... But the way he abuses the Baneling landmines all the time to secure the path for the Mutalisks to go back seems REALLY strong. On the other side I think Jjakji should just have gone for the kill instead of moving back and forth all the time. Pretty bad idea against someone like Scarlett imo. Well going for the kill here would be equal to base trade. I don't see how terran can ever win basetrade vs burrowed banelings + mass Muta....... Not without Ravens at least. But I think mixing in Ravens is also just inefficient as they kinda just suck vs muta/bling in straight up battles. Mutalisks will probably get nerfed in one of the coming patches, but untill then terrans will just have to learn to use Raven-mech w/ a very turtle style. I don't believe the offensive bio+mine style really has any long-term viability on the highest level Lets not exaggerate the situation! It's not like the Terrans just lose against Zerg all the time - there are a few Zerg who do REALLY well right now (As long as they don't meet Taeja or someone like that :-P ) but there are more than enough Terrans who still win against these Zerg as well. There might be a problem once the Zerg is ahead and therefore able to focus on Mutalisks alone - but the matchup has the same problem if it's the other way round. If the Zerg is behind... it snowballs out of control rather fast as well. I don't think Scarlett was ahead that game? I remember her being 20 supply down at some point before she went into heavy aggression. But my point is here that I don't think terran has any real chance against that style with their current playstyle. So they need to adapt in some way (I suggested one way in a previous post), but ofc that style only "works" in theory. Regardless, I think Mutalisks are too dominant. Mutalisks were only buffed due to the introduciton of the Widow Mine. Now that they been nerfed, it also makes sense to nerf Mutalisks. Jjakji was way ahead then he lost his third. - Yep, and Jjakji really didn't react appropriately imo. I've never seen a Terran his bases so easily as Jjakji did :-? - Nerfing Mutalisks is risky... you know... Medivacs are pretty damn fast nowadays :-/ Just nerf the regen since WM got nerfed and the first reason muta got this buff was b/c of WM.
Oh, thought you wanna reverse the Speed buff. Sorry, my mistake :-P
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Update from okko's FB-Page
OkkoSC2
Fuer dich Leute, die mich und Naruto heute vermisst haben, muss ich leider sagen, wir mussten hier sehr spontan etwas wandeln. Naruto wurde zum Observer und ich zum Admin/Orga gewandelt. Morgen werde ich wohl als Producer hinter der Kamera sein.. es tut mir leid, ich hätte gern auf deutsch gecasted - aber mit Khaldor und Grubby habt ihr doch wirklich SEHR ADÄQUATEN ersatz
eine gute Nacht allen!
Quick and dirty translation: For all the people missing me and Naruto casting the german-stream, I sadly must inform you that we had to change our roles here spontaniousely. Naruto got the dedicated observer annd I becam Admin/Orga. Tomorrow I'll be most likely work behind the camera as a producer. Im sorry, I'd love to cast on german, but i guess you have a more than decent replacement in Khaldor and Grubby.
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I got warned for making a joke, that's enough LR thread for one day.
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Damn, you guys got serious during autumn.
Anyway, let's watch some TvT then.
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On December 07 2013 08:10 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 08:08 Tanzklaue wrote:On December 07 2013 08:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
USA got Germany and Portugal in their World Cup draw we are le fucked tbh, usa would be fucked in almost every possible group set up Well to be fair most of them have yet to figure out why the ball is actually shaped like a sphere and why you are not allowed to pick it up with your hands.
they are not that bad. they are the equivalent of a foreign up and comer: on the level of c-level europeans/koreans constantly and can contest b-level guys.
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On December 07 2013 08:09 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:On December 07 2013 08:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
USA got Germany and Portugal in their World Cup draw we are le fucked le fucked? -.- Le means extra in French I'm 100% sure
Definitely means extra, yes.
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United States23455 Posts
What the fuck is this tournament lol. We have one game streamed 6 times and another not streamed at all.
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United States23455 Posts
On December 07 2013 08:12 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 08:09 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 07 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:On December 07 2013 08:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
USA got Germany and Portugal in their World Cup draw we are le fucked le fucked? -.- Le means extra in French I'm 100% sure Definitely means extra, yes.
Thank you kind sir I know my French is spot on.
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On December 07 2013 08:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 08:03 Fjodorov wrote:On December 07 2013 07:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 07 2013 07:52 Xoronius wrote:On December 07 2013 07:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Congrats to Scarlett!  On December 07 2013 07:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Embarrassing for MMA. Losing a series to Vortix. Oh, those double standarts. Especially, since Vortix has slightly more accomplishments. It's not a double standard. There are exactly two foreigners who are considered to be on par with mid/ top Koreans, and they're Scarlett and Naniwa. Vortix isn't ever even in the conversation lol which is why it's embarrassing for MMA to lose to him. You are right about Scarlett and Naniwa being the best foreigners but how does that make it embarrassing for MMA to lose to Vortix? He is still good, and like many foreigners not very consistent but has a high top level but a low worst level, also he isnt a foreign terran. Vortix having a good day and playing good, which he did, MMA not being in his best shape, is not like Bhutan beating Spain in football like you make it sound lol. Well MMA was apparently 5-0 against Vortix before today, + Show Spoiler + Vortix moving on over MMA is a pretty big upset. Losing to Scarlett is something that happens all the time nowadays. And regardless, being happy that Scarlett moved on and being sad that MMA didn't are completely independent of each other. It's not like you necessarily have to cheer for both Scarlett and Vortix at all times lol. There's no double standard.
I think, we are talking about slightly different things. The vibe I am getting from you atm. is, that you never planned to insult Vortix and your post just came out a bit wrong to me. Is that correct? Because in this case, we can just resolve this issue, without talking to eachother about different things.
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On December 07 2013 08:12 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 08:09 Darkhoarse wrote:On December 07 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:On December 07 2013 08:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
USA got Germany and Portugal in their World Cup draw we are le fucked le fucked? -.- Le means extra in French I'm 100% sure Definitely means extra, yes.
You're pure evil. (;
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On December 07 2013 08:12 Dodgin wrote:
I got warned for making a joke, that's enough LR thread for one day.
Maybe we should call that "doing a 2GD".
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Rofl are they really not going to stream jjakji vs lucifron? GG 
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On December 07 2013 08:12 Darkhoarse wrote:
What the fuck is this tournament lol. We have one game streamed 6 times and another not streamed at all.
Well due to the lag it's currently both not streamed at all.
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Oh fuck we need plan F after all
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United States23455 Posts
I have an idea! While no one can stream Scarlett vs. elfi anyway, maybe we can have the other match streamed!
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