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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
December 06 2013 23:10 GMT
#2901
On December 07 2013 08:08 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 08:05 StutteR wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:04 Hider wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:02 Swisslink wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:57 Hider wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:54 Swisslink wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:52 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:51 Hider wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This make muta -> kill orbital -> burrow baneling combobreaker is pretty good


Yeh, I think she may have "revoulutiozed" TvZ. At least, I have a hard time seeing terran have any chance vs this unless they get some Ravens.

Abusing mass mutas is nothing new, nor revolutionary...


But the way he abuses the Baneling landmines all the time to secure the path for the Mutalisks to go back seems REALLY strong. On the other side I think Jjakji should just have gone for the kill instead of moving back and forth all the time. Pretty bad idea against someone like Scarlett imo.


Well going for the kill here would be equal to base trade. I don't see how terran can ever win basetrade vs burrowed banelings + mass Muta....... Not without Ravens at least.

But I think mixing in Ravens is also just inefficient as they kinda just suck vs muta/bling in straight up battles.
Mutalisks will probably get nerfed in one of the coming patches, but untill then terrans will just have to learn to use Raven-mech w/ a very turtle style. I don't believe the offensive bio+mine style really has any long-term viability on the highest level


Lets not exaggerate the situation! It's not like the Terrans just lose against Zerg all the time - there are a few Zerg who do REALLY well right now (As long as they don't meet Taeja or someone like that :-P ) but there are more than enough Terrans who still win against these Zerg as well.

There might be a problem once the Zerg is ahead and therefore able to focus on Mutalisks alone - but the matchup has the same problem if it's the other way round. If the Zerg is behind... it snowballs out of control rather fast as well.


I don't think Scarlett was ahead that game? I remember her being 20 supply down at some point before she went into heavy aggression.

But my point is here that I don't think terran has any real chance against that style with their current playstyle. So they need to adapt in some way (I suggested one way in a previous post), but ofc that style only "works" in theory.

Regardless, I think Mutalisks are too dominant. Mutalisks were only buffed due to the introduciton of the Widow Mine. Now that they been nerfed, it also makes sense to nerf Mutalisks.



Jjakji was way ahead then he lost his third.


- Yep, and Jjakji really didn't react appropriately imo. I've never seen a Terran his bases so easily as Jjakji did :-?

- Nerfing Mutalisks is risky... you know... Medivacs are pretty damn fast nowadays :-/


Just nerf the regen since WM got nerfed and the first reason muta got this buff was b/c of WM.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 06 2013 23:10 GMT
#2902
Where is jjakji vs LucifroN?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 06 2013 23:10 GMT
#2903
ELFI VS ELFIFAN, IT IS ON
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 06 2013 23:11 GMT
#2904
Is anyone streaming Lucifron vs. Jjakji? lol
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 06 2013 23:11 GMT
#2905
All streams showing Scarlett vs elfi, so clever!
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
December 06 2013 23:12 GMT
#2906
On December 07 2013 08:10 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 08:08 Swisslink wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:05 StutteR wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:04 Hider wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:02 Swisslink wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:57 Hider wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:54 Swisslink wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:52 TheDwf wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:51 Hider wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This make muta -> kill orbital -> burrow baneling combobreaker is pretty good


Yeh, I think she may have "revoulutiozed" TvZ. At least, I have a hard time seeing terran have any chance vs this unless they get some Ravens.

Abusing mass mutas is nothing new, nor revolutionary...


But the way he abuses the Baneling landmines all the time to secure the path for the Mutalisks to go back seems REALLY strong. On the other side I think Jjakji should just have gone for the kill instead of moving back and forth all the time. Pretty bad idea against someone like Scarlett imo.


Well going for the kill here would be equal to base trade. I don't see how terran can ever win basetrade vs burrowed banelings + mass Muta....... Not without Ravens at least.

But I think mixing in Ravens is also just inefficient as they kinda just suck vs muta/bling in straight up battles.
Mutalisks will probably get nerfed in one of the coming patches, but untill then terrans will just have to learn to use Raven-mech w/ a very turtle style. I don't believe the offensive bio+mine style really has any long-term viability on the highest level


Lets not exaggerate the situation! It's not like the Terrans just lose against Zerg all the time - there are a few Zerg who do REALLY well right now (As long as they don't meet Taeja or someone like that :-P ) but there are more than enough Terrans who still win against these Zerg as well.

There might be a problem once the Zerg is ahead and therefore able to focus on Mutalisks alone - but the matchup has the same problem if it's the other way round. If the Zerg is behind... it snowballs out of control rather fast as well.


I don't think Scarlett was ahead that game? I remember her being 20 supply down at some point before she went into heavy aggression.

But my point is here that I don't think terran has any real chance against that style with their current playstyle. So they need to adapt in some way (I suggested one way in a previous post), but ofc that style only "works" in theory.

Regardless, I think Mutalisks are too dominant. Mutalisks were only buffed due to the introduciton of the Widow Mine. Now that they been nerfed, it also makes sense to nerf Mutalisks.



Jjakji was way ahead then he lost his third.


- Yep, and Jjakji really didn't react appropriately imo. I've never seen a Terran his bases so easily as Jjakji did :-?

- Nerfing Mutalisks is risky... you know... Medivacs are pretty damn fast nowadays :-/


Just nerf the regen since WM got nerfed and the first reason muta got this buff was b/c of WM.


Oh, thought you wanna reverse the Speed buff. Sorry, my mistake :-P
Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
December 06 2013 23:12 GMT
#2907
Update from okko's FB-Page
OkkoSC2
Fuer dich Leute, die mich und Naruto heute vermisst haben, muss ich leider sagen, wir mussten hier sehr spontan etwas wandeln. Naruto wurde zum Observer und ich zum Admin/Orga gewandelt. Morgen werde ich wohl als Producer hinter der Kamera sein.. es tut mir leid, ich hätte gern auf deutsch gecasted - aber mit Khaldor und Grubby habt ihr doch wirklich SEHR ADÄQUATEN ersatz

eine gute Nacht allen!


Quick and dirty translation: For all the people missing me and Naruto casting the german-stream, I sadly must inform you that we had to change our roles here spontaniousely. Naruto got the dedicated observer annd I becam Admin/Orga. Tomorrow I'll be most likely work behind the camera as a producer. Im sorry, I'd love to cast on german, but i guess you have a more than decent replacement in Khaldor and Grubby.
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 06 2013 23:12 GMT
#2908
I got warned for making a joke, that's enough LR thread for one day.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
December 06 2013 23:12 GMT
#2909
Damn, you guys got serious during autumn.

Anyway, let's watch some TvT then.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1414 Posts
December 06 2013 23:12 GMT
#2910
On December 07 2013 08:10 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 08:08 Tanzklaue wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
USA got Germany and Portugal in their World Cup draw we are le fucked

tbh, usa would be fucked in almost every possible group set up

Well to be fair most of them have yet to figure out why the ball is actually shaped like a sphere and why you are not allowed to pick it up with your hands.

they are not that bad. they are the equivalent of a foreign up and comer: on the level of c-level europeans/koreans constantly and can contest b-level guys.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
December 06 2013 23:12 GMT
#2911
On December 07 2013 08:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
USA got Germany and Portugal in their World Cup draw we are le fucked


le fucked? -.-

Le means extra in French I'm 100% sure

Definitely means extra, yes.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 06 2013 23:12 GMT
#2912
What the fuck is this tournament lol. We have one game streamed 6 times and another not streamed at all.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 06 2013 23:12 GMT
#2913
On December 07 2013 08:12 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 08:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
USA got Germany and Portugal in their World Cup draw we are le fucked


le fucked? -.-

Le means extra in French I'm 100% sure

Definitely means extra, yes.

Thank you kind sir I know my French is spot on.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 06 2013 23:13 GMT
#2914
On December 07 2013 08:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 08:03 Fjodorov wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:52 Xoronius wrote:
On December 07 2013 07:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Congrats to Scarlett!

On December 07 2013 07:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Embarrassing for MMA. Losing a series to Vortix.


Oh, those double standarts. Especially, since Vortix has slightly more accomplishments.


It's not a double standard. There are exactly two foreigners who are considered to be on par with mid/ top Koreans, and they're Scarlett and Naniwa. Vortix isn't ever even in the conversation lol which is why it's embarrassing for MMA to lose to him.


You are right about Scarlett and Naniwa being the best foreigners but how does that make it embarrassing for MMA to lose to Vortix? He is still good, and like many foreigners not very consistent but has a high top level but a low worst level, also he isnt a foreign terran. Vortix having a good day and playing good, which he did, MMA not being in his best shape, is not like Bhutan beating Spain in football like you make it sound lol.


Well MMA was apparently 5-0 against Vortix before today,

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http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=hots&type=players&id=665&part=games&vs=2634&league=any&map=any&from_year=2013&from_month=1&from_day=1&to_year=2013&to_month=12&to_day=5&action=Update


Vortix moving on over MMA is a pretty big upset. Losing to Scarlett is something that happens all the time nowadays.

And regardless, being happy that Scarlett moved on and being sad that MMA didn't are completely independent of each other. It's not like you necessarily have to cheer for both Scarlett and Vortix at all times lol. There's no double standard.

I think, we are talking about slightly different things. The vibe I am getting from you atm. is, that you never planned to insult Vortix and your post just came out a bit wrong to me. Is that correct? Because in this case, we can just resolve this issue, without talking to eachother about different things.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 06 2013 23:13 GMT
#2915
On December 07 2013 08:12 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 08:09 Darkhoarse wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On December 07 2013 08:05 Darkhoarse wrote:
USA got Germany and Portugal in their World Cup draw we are le fucked


le fucked? -.-

Le means extra in French I'm 100% sure

Definitely means extra, yes.

You're pure evil. (;
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 06 2013 23:13 GMT
#2916
On December 07 2013 08:12 Dodgin wrote:
I got warned for making a joke, that's enough LR thread for one day.

Maybe we should call that "doing a 2GD".
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 06 2013 23:13 GMT
#2917
Rofl are they really not going to stream jjakji vs lucifron? GG
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
December 06 2013 23:13 GMT
#2918
On December 07 2013 08:12 Darkhoarse wrote:
What the fuck is this tournament lol. We have one game streamed 6 times and another not streamed at all.


Well due to the lag it's currently both not streamed at all.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
December 06 2013 23:13 GMT
#2919
Oh fuck we need plan F after all
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 06 2013 23:13 GMT
#2920
I have an idea! While no one can stream Scarlett vs. elfi anyway, maybe we can have the other match streamed!
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