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On September 16 2013 06:55 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:55 ACrow wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall? TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all. I'm basing it off of Taeja 3-0ing Rain at the S2 finals without any SCV pulls
In which Rain played terrible through the complete series ye..
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On September 16 2013 06:55 HandA711 wrote: JD forfeited vs Yugioh? probably he's sure he's gonna qualify for Blizzcon anyways so the points are completely useless for him
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 16 2013 06:55 corpsepose wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:54 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 16 2013 06:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. TvT is his worst match-up statistically. Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out. Come on, Innovation just took out ForGG who has an amazing TvT. All of Innovation's match-ups are damn good. I think it's more like on a good day he can beat anyone, and on a bad day he looks more vulnerable. Innovation never played ForGG, he took out MMA on the back of essentially BO win and throw by MMA. game 3 wasnt a bo win at all.. he scouted mma's build and punished it accordingly. there wasnt any luck involved. Missed the game, was not he doing that push from the start?
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On September 16 2013 06:55 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:52 NarutO wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Innovation was at 2-0 upgrades when taeja was 3-3-2-1. (bio and air) Lost his +3 armory , thats why. In addition other mech upgrades are not AS important. Good to have, but not needed you need them against sky terran if you want to stay on the ground. Otherwise BCs will do more the tickle your Thors after the Yamatos.
Becomes easier with more attack power obviously. But armor is good against heavy marauder count.
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On September 16 2013 06:55 HandA711 wrote: JD forfeited vs Yugioh?
Yes. He did not need the points.
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On September 16 2013 06:56 Schelim wrote:probably he's sure he's gonna qualify for Blizzcon anyways so the points are completely useless for him
Quick question if you don't mind.
Does anyone know if the points will have any relevance to the following seasons? Or does everyone start at ground zero?
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On September 16 2013 06:56 Schelim wrote:probably he's sure he's gonna qualify for Blizzcon anyways so the points are completely useless for him He has 4500 points and the match was for 75 more...
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 16 2013 06:56 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:55 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 ACrow wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall? TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all. I'm basing it off of Taeja 3-0ing Rain at the S2 finals without any SCV pulls In which Rain played terrible through the complete series ye..
CJ_hero has played all of his worst games against Innovation too. I still think that Innovation's TvP is about even with Taeja, but you can't discount series where the other played terrible or the arguing would never end.
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On September 16 2013 06:55 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:55 ACrow wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall? TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all. I'm basing it off of Taeja 3-0ing Rain at the S2 finals without any SCV pulls but but but... Rain was constipated
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 16 2013 06:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:56 Schelim wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 HandA711 wrote: JD forfeited vs Yugioh? probably he's sure he's gonna qualify for Blizzcon anyways so the points are completely useless for him Quick question if you don't mind. Does anyone know if the points will have any relevance to the following seasons? Or does everyone start at ground zero? I guess so, since it would pretty much set in stone participants of next season/
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On September 16 2013 06:56 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:55 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 ACrow wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall? TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all. I'm basing it off of Taeja 3-0ing Rain at the S2 finals without any SCV pulls In which Rain played terrible through the complete series ye..
Rain is really good at playing terrible lately, maybe he's just lost his touch.
or maybe sc2 protoss is too volatile.
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On September 16 2013 06:56 Schelim wrote:probably he's sure he's gonna qualify for Blizzcon anyways so the points are completely useless for him Still, not his style. And not EG's style either (Idra excluded). Jaedong usually wants to win anything coming his way.
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Here I am missing entire major tournaments. What has happened to me!? lol. GO Innovation!
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On September 16 2013 06:58 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:56 NarutO wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 ACrow wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall? TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all. I'm basing it off of Taeja 3-0ing Rain at the S2 finals without any SCV pulls In which Rain played terrible through the complete series ye.. Rain is really good at playing terrible lately, maybe he's just lost his touch. or maybe sc2 protoss is too volatile. even then, taeja is the only top terran atm who doesn't need SCV pulls to destroy protoss.
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On September 16 2013 06:58 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:56 Schelim wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 HandA711 wrote: JD forfeited vs Yugioh? probably he's sure he's gonna qualify for Blizzcon anyways so the points are completely useless for him Quick question if you don't mind. Does anyone know if the points will have any relevance to the following seasons? Or does everyone start at ground zero? I guess so, since it would pretty much set in stone participants of next season/
Oh, so maybe the top however many start in premier, then the lower ranked start in challenger... But points are reset? That seems to make sense.
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Innovation has enough WCS points to where he could bank all of the extra ones and qualify as 16th, then have enough points to qualify for Blizzcon next year with only playing in one season.
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On September 16 2013 06:58 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:58 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:56 NarutO wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 ACrow wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall? TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all. I'm basing it off of Taeja 3-0ing Rain at the S2 finals without any SCV pulls In which Rain played terrible through the complete series ye.. Rain is really good at playing terrible lately, maybe he's just lost his touch. or maybe sc2 protoss is too volatile. even then, taeja is the only top terran atm who doesn't need SCV pulls to destroy protoss.
yep, that's why I think he's the best at it.
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On September 16 2013 06:58 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:56 Schelim wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 HandA711 wrote: JD forfeited vs Yugioh? probably he's sure he's gonna qualify for Blizzcon anyways so the points are completely useless for him Still, not his style. And not EG's style either (Idra excluded). Jaedong usually wants to win anything coming his way.
Not when he's been knocked out of the tournament.
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On September 16 2013 06:57 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:56 NarutO wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 ACrow wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall? TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all. I'm basing it off of Taeja 3-0ing Rain at the S2 finals without any SCV pulls In which Rain played terrible through the complete series ye.. CJ_hero has played all of his worst games against Innovation too. I still think that Innovation's TvP is about even with Taeja, but you can't discount series where the other played terrible or the arguing would never end.
Even if you take August and September, INnoVation still has higher winrate TvP and the argueably better opponents (TvP , HotS, August+September, vs Korean on aligulac). They are both very sick but if my life would depend on it, I would give INnoVation the chance to fight for me. Taeja for example while being very good with his a game, can also lose games vs a lot lesser players. For example to Welmu this Dreamhack. He also got murdered by Squirtle
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On September 16 2013 06:57 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:56 NarutO wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:55 ACrow wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall? TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all. I'm basing it off of Taeja 3-0ing Rain at the S2 finals without any SCV pulls In which Rain played terrible through the complete series ye.. CJ_hero has played all of his worst games against Innovation too. I still think that Innovation's TvP is about even with Taeja, but you can't discount series where the other played terrible or the arguing would never end.
Besides, we don't know that whether the other players played terrible because of the opponents playing good or what going into their minds at that time.
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