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On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. TvT is his worst match-up statistically. Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out.
Come on, Innovation just took out ForGG who has an amazing TvT. All of Innovation's match-ups are damn good. I think it's more like on a good day he can beat anyone, and on a bad day he looks more vulnerable.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 16 2013 06:53 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:49 stuchiu wrote:On September 16 2013 06:48 SixStrings wrote: Man Taeja is slowly surpassing MKP as my favourite Terran of all time.
I remember being like "meh, unimpressive", when TL picked him up and look what happened... Slasher told Nazgul he was making a huge mistake picking up Taeja instead of Ganzi. Haha, to be totally honest, I'm not sure anyone at TL could have predicted what Taeja was going to accomplish. Thanks for that interesting nugget of information. 
ESVDiamond and orb probably would have.
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On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). And you talk about fanboys :D
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On September 16 2013 06:53 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:53 NarutO wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. TvT is his worst match-up statistically. Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out. INnoVation's TvT is statistically higher winrate compared to TaeJa by 3% , but we can all agree that TaeJa has an edge here Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. Everyone knows TaeJa is way better at TvT than INnoVation. Only a fool would deny that.
The game we just saw was solid by both, good game and very evenly matched.
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On September 16 2013 06:53 Zackeva wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Cue Innovation fanboys defending him whenever he loses instead of just enjoying the (amazing) games.
I did enjoy the amazing game. I voted it as 4 Stars.
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
On September 16 2013 06:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. TvT is his worst match-up statistically. Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out. Come on, Innovation just took out ForGG who has an amazing TvT. All of Innovation's match-ups are damn good. I think it's more like on a good day he can beat anyone, and on a bad day he looks more vulnerable. Innovation never played ForGG, he took out MMA on the back of essentially BO win and throw by MMA.
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On September 16 2013 06:53 Popkiller wrote: not surprised if this is 3-0, I just feel a mental edge for Taeja. I think MMA actually had a better chance.
MMA was outplaying Inno so hard. I just feel like MMA a much smarter player.
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On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall? TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 16 2013 06:53 Zackeva wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Cue Innovation fanboys defending him whenever he loses instead of just enjoying the (amazing) games.
Not me man, I just bring up how Maru 4-0'd him all the time.
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On September 16 2013 06:54 capiston wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). And you talk about fanboys :D lets wait until blizzcon final is over to decide who is the best or better^^
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Innovation got the worst habit of unsieging everything at the middle of the map and moving
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Also, can't be best terran without participating in GSL. Maru's run isn't that old yet.
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On September 16 2013 06:52 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:52 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Innovation was at 2-0 upgrades when taeja was 3-3-2-1. (bio and air) Lost his +3 armory , thats why. In addition other mech upgrades are not AS important. Good to have, but not needed
you need them against sky terran if you want to stay on the ground. Otherwise BCs will do more the tickle your Thors after the Yamatos.
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On September 16 2013 06:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. TvT is his worst match-up statistically. Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out. Come on, Innovation just took out ForGG who has an amazing TvT. All of Innovation's match-ups are damn good. I think it's more like on a good day he can beat anyone, and on a bad day he looks more vulnerable.
It's all relative of course.
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On September 16 2013 06:54 SkySnake2005 wrote: SOOOOOO happy Blizz came clear with the fact that the Hellbat was broken. TvT was worst matchup when Hellbat drops was the only thing being done by the Korean terrans. Now we have back our beloved TvT ! Go Taeja !! True, but many people still complained about how slow Blizzard's reaction was. It took quite some time.
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is this the game heart overlay?
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On September 16 2013 06:54 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. TvT is his worst match-up statistically. Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out. Come on, Innovation just took out ForGG who has an amazing TvT. All of Innovation's match-ups are damn good. I think it's more like on a good day he can beat anyone, and on a bad day he looks more vulnerable. Innovation never played ForGG, he took out MMA on the back of essentially BO win and throw by MMA.
game 3 wasnt a bo win at all.. he scouted mma's build and punished it accordingly. there wasnt any luck involved.
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On September 16 2013 06:55 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote: Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up. Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall). I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall? TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all.
I'm basing it off of Taeja 3-0ing Rain at the S2 finals without any SCV pulls
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Innovation TvT win rate: pre-Hellbat nerf --> 22-10 (69%) post-Hellbat nerf --> 9-16 (36%)
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