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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
September 15 2013 21:54 GMT
#5681
On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


TvT is his worst match-up statistically.


Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out.


Come on, Innovation just took out ForGG who has an amazing TvT. All of Innovation's match-ups are damn good. I think it's more like on a good day he can beat anyone, and on a bad day he looks more vulnerable.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-15 21:54:23
September 15 2013 21:54 GMT
#5682
On September 16 2013 06:53 SixStrings wrote:
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On September 16 2013 06:49 stuchiu wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:48 SixStrings wrote:
Man Taeja is slowly surpassing MKP as my favourite Terran of all time.

I remember being like "meh, unimpressive", when TL picked him up and look what happened...


Slasher told Nazgul he was making a huge mistake picking up Taeja instead of Ganzi.


Haha, to be totally honest, I'm not sure anyone at TL could have predicted what Taeja was going to accomplish.

Thanks for that interesting nugget of information.



ESVDiamond and orb probably would have.
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capiston
Profile Joined February 2011
France372 Posts
September 15 2013 21:54 GMT
#5683
On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now


Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall).

And you talk about fanboys :D
TaeJa | Maru | DRG | MKP
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 15 2013 21:54 GMT
#5684
On September 16 2013 06:53 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:53 NarutO wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


TvT is his worst match-up statistically.


Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out.


INnoVation's TvT is statistically higher winrate compared to TaeJa by 3% , but we can all agree that TaeJa has an edge here


Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. Everyone knows TaeJa is way better at TvT than INnoVation. Only a fool would deny that.


The game we just saw was solid by both, good game and very evenly matched.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
September 15 2013 21:54 GMT
#5685
On September 16 2013 06:53 Zackeva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


Cue Innovation fanboys defending him whenever he loses instead of just enjoying the (amazing) games.


I did enjoy the amazing game. I voted it as 4 Stars.
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 15 2013 21:54 GMT
#5686
On September 16 2013 06:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


TvT is his worst match-up statistically.


Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out.


Come on, Innovation just took out ForGG who has an amazing TvT. All of Innovation's match-ups are damn good. I think it's more like on a good day he can beat anyone, and on a bad day he looks more vulnerable.

Innovation never played ForGG, he took out MMA on the back of essentially BO win and throw by MMA.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
September 15 2013 21:54 GMT
#5687
On September 16 2013 06:53 Popkiller wrote:
not surprised if this is 3-0, I just feel a mental edge for Taeja. I think MMA actually had a better chance.


MMA was outplaying Inno so hard. I just feel like MMA a much smarter player.
HandA711
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
202 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5688
JD forfeited vs Yugioh?
hakuna matata
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5689
On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now


Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall).


I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP

so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall?

TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all.
Get off my lawn, young punks
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5690
On September 16 2013 06:53 Zackeva wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


Cue Innovation fanboys defending him whenever he loses instead of just enjoying the (amazing) games.


Not me man, I just bring up how Maru 4-0'd him all the time.
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Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5691
On September 16 2013 06:54 capiston wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now


Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall).

And you talk about fanboys :D

lets wait until blizzcon final is over to decide who is the best or better^^
yo
FlyingSteaks
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil433 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5692
Innovation got the worst habit of unsieging everything at the middle of the map and moving
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5693
Also, can't be best terran without participating in GSL. Maru's run isn't that old yet.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5694
On September 16 2013 06:52 NarutO wrote:
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On September 16 2013 06:52 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Innovation was at 2-0 upgrades when taeja was 3-3-2-1. (bio and air)


Lost his +3 armory , thats why. In addition other mech upgrades are not AS important. Good to have, but not needed


you need them against sky terran if you want to stay on the ground. Otherwise BCs will do more the tickle your Thors after the Yamatos.
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5695
On September 16 2013 06:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


TvT is his worst match-up statistically.


Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out.


Come on, Innovation just took out ForGG who has an amazing TvT. All of Innovation's match-ups are damn good. I think it's more like on a good day he can beat anyone, and on a bad day he looks more vulnerable.


It's all relative of course.
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5696
On September 16 2013 06:54 SkySnake2005 wrote:
SOOOOOO happy Blizz came clear with the fact that the Hellbat was broken. TvT was worst matchup when Hellbat drops was the only thing being done by the Korean terrans.
Now we have back our beloved TvT ! Go Taeja !!
True, but many people still complained about how slow Blizzard's reaction was. It took quite some time.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5697
is this the game heart overlay?
corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5698
On September 16 2013 06:54 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:52 Crot4le wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:51 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


TvT is his worst match-up statistically.


Not as bad as it is Inno's. But then again Innovation is better at the other match-ups so it evens it out.


Come on, Innovation just took out ForGG who has an amazing TvT. All of Innovation's match-ups are damn good. I think it's more like on a good day he can beat anyone, and on a bad day he looks more vulnerable.

Innovation never played ForGG, he took out MMA on the back of essentially BO win and throw by MMA.


game 3 wasnt a bo win at all.. he scouted mma's build and punished it accordingly. there wasnt any luck involved.
http://www.twitch.tv/corpsep0se
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 15 2013 21:55 GMT
#5699
On September 16 2013 06:55 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 06:52 Dodgin wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:51 Crot4le wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:51 BlackCompany wrote:
On September 16 2013 06:50 Crot4le wrote:
Cue TaeJa fanboys trying to convince themselves that TaeJa is actually the better player overall based on just this match-up.


Hes the better TvTer, thats enough for now


Definitely, and Bogus is the better TvZer (and player overall).


I think bogusman has better TvZ but taeja has better TvT and TvP

so 2 matchups > 1 matchup, he's the better player overall?

TvP is too hard to call imo, what with SCVs, choo choo and all.


I'm basing it off of Taeja 3-0ing Rain at the S2 finals without any SCV pulls
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2720 Posts
September 15 2013 21:56 GMT
#5700
Innovation TvT win rate:
pre-Hellbat nerf --> 22-10 (69%)
post-Hellbat nerf --> 9-16 (36%)
very illegal and very uncool
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