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On September 11 2013 05:37 Green_25 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 04:56 Green_25 wrote:On September 11 2013 04:54 magicallypuzzled wrote:
eventually casters everywhere will realize lucifron isn't that good. until that time it's absolutely painful hearing about how oh lucifron this and oh lucifron that and oh starbuck just can't beat the gaint that is lucifron in a macro game. and lucifron is just such a good player that loses and loses and loses. Who exactly is hyping him? He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy. Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype. You forget Grubby tho. How about Demuslim? If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Do you actually believe Major and Illusion are better than Lucifron? Or is that just NA bias?
how did anything I say relate to skill at all? we are talking about hype. although i'd love to see illusion or major vs lucifron it would perhaps help me to see that not all of his hype is bullcrap or perhaps it would prove once again that European arrogance is mostly unfounded.
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 NaNiwa
ToD
 TLO
SaSe
 Noname
Mvp
LucifroN
Grubby
Ladies and gentleman this is not the next Redbull Invitational.. this is the players who dropped out of WCS EU Premier.
It may not help the HYPE but I for one love new faces working their way up.
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On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote:
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Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype. You forget Grubby tho. How about Demuslim? If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore.
and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
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On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:
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You forget Grubby tho. How about Demuslim? If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore. and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done.
When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
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On September 11 2013 05:46 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
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How about Demuslim? If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore. and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done. When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
The world needs Jinro back D:
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On September 11 2013 05:42 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:37 Green_25 wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 04:56 Green_25 wrote:
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Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy. Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype. You forget Grubby tho. How about Demuslim? If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Do you actually believe Major and Illusion are better than Lucifron? Or is that just NA bias? how did anything I say relate to skill at all? we are talking about hype. although i'd love to see illusion or major vs lucifron it would perhaps help me to see that not all of his hype is bullcrap or perhaps it would prove once again that European arrogance is mostly unfounded.
For sure he is overhyped but skillwise the difference is pretty clear to anyone with eyes
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On September 11 2013 05:46 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
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How about Demuslim? If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore. and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done. When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been.
so he's achieved less than major and possibly illusion then. why was my comment questioned again hell if I know I am bored with this conversation.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
That's a great list but noname definitely takes the thunder out of it.
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United States23455 Posts
On September 11 2013 05:48 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:46 Rhaegal wrote:On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
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If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore. and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done. When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been. so he's achieved less than major and possibly illusion then. why was my comment questioned again hell if I know I am bored with this conversation.
Ok I don't want to get involved too heavily but I will say he placed third at WCS EU 2012 at the height of the "OMG Zerg imba" so I would say that is pretty decent. I agree though, casters hype him too much for his skill level.
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man WCS EU is so strange haha
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United States23455 Posts
What the (Star)buck?! Good for him! Wish Grubby had made it through though.
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On September 11 2013 05:48 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:46 Rhaegal wrote:On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
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If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore. and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done. When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been. so he's achieved less than major and possibly illusion then. why was my comment questioned again hell if I know I am bored with this conversation.
No? I don't remember either of them winning anything major either. Lucifron at least has some decent tournament placings and more 1st place finishes in the minor tournaments from what I can see. He's even done better in his respective region. Both Illusion and Major have yet to make it past a ro32 in WCS.
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Germany6362 Posts
On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 04:56 Green_25 wrote:
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Who exactly is hyping him?
He's still the best foreign terran, along with Happy. Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype. You forget Grubby tho. How about Demuslim? If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever?
Ok, since you ask:
4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish)
Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish)
Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter)
3rd in WCS Europe in 2012
Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments.
Now lets look at Illusion:
exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament.
MajOr:
Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer.
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Wow, didn't expect to find so much player bashing here... WP to Starbuck and Genius, gl in the ro16.
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Nice work, Xoronius. And I want another YOMT  C'mon Doa work your magic.
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ForGG, this season is for you. Don't fail now.
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Germany6362 Posts
On September 11 2013 05:48 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:46 Rhaegal wrote:On September 11 2013 05:44 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:40 Rhaegal wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
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If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? he's the second highest earning foreign Terran, right behind Thorzain, who basically isn't a player anymore. and yet he hasn't ever won anything at all ever not anything with anyone of importance atleast again name something he's done. When's the last time ANY foreign Terran has won something? The race is just not suiting for foreigners. Never has been. so he's achieved less than major and possibly illusion then. why was my comment questioned again hell if I know I am bored with this conversation.
How does this even makes sence? Both of them are foreign terrans too and between them (talking about achievments, not current skill) and LucifroN there are still Happy, Naama, Brat_OK, GoOdy, Strelok, ClouD, Dayshi, QXC, Fenix, BeastyQT, Demuslim, Tarson and probably a few more, that I am forgetting at the moment (With Jinro, ThorZaiN,Sjow and Kas ahead of both).
Edit: Morrow. Still think of him as Zerg, because he was, when I started watching Starcraft. But technically his GC win was with terran as well.
Edit2: Moved Sjow to the "ahead of both"-section. Almost forgot, how consistently high he used to place in WoL.
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Lucifron hype train finally derailed?!
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United States97276 Posts
On September 11 2013 06:40 Dodgin wrote:
Lucifron hype train finally derailed?!
It's been offroading for a while I think. How many times can you be derailed and still be on the track?
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