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On September 11 2013 06:43 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 06:40 Dodgin wrote:
Lucifron hype train finally derailed?! It's been offroading for a while I think. How many times can you be derailed and still be on the track?
I think he was still on the edge of the track. Now he's definitely out.
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i wanna hit grubby and luci  damn so f......
i mean i think its cool starbuck came trough, and i rly like genius, but this two was europas last hope of top16 now only if scarlett plays there is a chance of a non korean in the top16
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On September 11 2013 02:02 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 02:00 boxerfred wrote:
I'm not a Grubby fanboy, but Genius just got my absolute hate for playing such a cheesy game. I want that guy to lose #1 now. Not Genius fault when Grubby is not good enough to survive such things. It just shows what Genius thinks of his opponent. WP Mr. Void ray :D.
pft
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the results were opposite to what i wanted.
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On September 11 2013 06:40 Dodgin wrote:
Lucifron hype train finally derailed?!
The Lucifron hype train was from back in WoL. Sure he was good, but by now we can accept that he'll just be another example of a foreign Terran that had potential but could never string together enough wins to become a championship contender. :\
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On September 11 2013 09:18 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 06:40 Dodgin wrote:
Lucifron hype train finally derailed?! The Lucifron hype train was from back in WoL. Sure he was good, but by now we can accept that he'll just be another example of a foreign Terran that had potential but could never string together enough wins to become a championship contender. :\
But he was supposed to be the best foreigner that would slay the Stephano and bring balance to the starcrafts!
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On September 11 2013 05:56 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:On September 11 2013 04:59 Canucklehead wrote:
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Every english caster hypes lucifron every time he plays and every tournament he enters. That above poster is right. Lucifron is the most overrated player in the scene and is all hype. You forget Grubby tho. How about Demuslim? If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments. Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament. MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer.
I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole lot of nothing.
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Nice!! Starbuck severely outplaying and outclassing Grubby and Lucifron! This might be stretch, but I think he might be the next Stephano...
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On September 11 2013 09:24 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 05:56 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:On September 11 2013 05:01 Godwrath wrote:
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You forget Grubby tho. How about Demuslim? If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments. Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament. MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer. I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole heck of nothing.
I was expecting something among the lines of "Oh thank you, Xoronius, that you expanded my horizon and increased my wisdom". Apperently I was wrong.
So, what my previous post was consisting of were facts about the achievments in premier tournaments. MajOr has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. Illusion has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. LucifroN has reached 10 ro16 in his career. That is 10 tournaments runs equal to the best, Illusion or MajOr has ever accomplished. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP (Since I am nice, I´ll write it down here: WCS Europe 2012, DH Valencia 2012, WCS World 2012, IEM Singapore 2012, IEM Katowice 2013, WCS Europe S1, DH Summer 2013, WCS Europe S2, DH Valencia 2013, ASUS ROG Summer 2013) . Noone can deny that.
Your response to a post of FACTS is, that you "should´nt keep biting". This leaves 3 options:
1. You are a troll
2. You know, that you are wrong, but want to save face, because noone admitts, that he is wrong on the internet.
3. You still assume, that you are right, because LucifroN never won a premier - the fact neither Illusion nor MajOr have ever won either and that Luci has made it further then them 6 times for some weird reason does´nt count. ( A long time ago, Husky convinced a large group of people, that Spanishiwa would be a top foreign zerg- which he was quite obviously not)
So, let´s just ignore the premier tournament results and talk about actual tournaments wins:
LucifroN
The Gathering Easter: 13k€ prize-pool with ThorZaiN, NightEnD, Sjow, Brat_Ok, Grubby, Bischu, MorroW and Snute attending.
IPL D.I.C.E. Showdown: 10k Prize-pool, destroying Scarlett 3-0 in the final
Pokerstrategy.com League: 9k Prize-pool 9 player round robin against Kas, Snute, Titan, Socke, Grubby, Sheth, MorroW and SeleCT
So please name one tournament win of either MajOr or Illusion, which comes even slightly close to those (and the Premier results) or give any actual arguments instead of just calling me a troll, because otherwise your position in this discussion seems pretty weak.
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yeah, lucifron is just fine, he's getting better at a similar pace with other pros and holding his own, and making pretty deep runs. This is disconnected from him having a breakout result, which could take a looong time to come or maybe not even happen. its not a big deal. people shouldn't be all or nothing on pros; of course hype is hype but lucifron is still really fucking good, he's still competitive, there is no doubt, thats all that matters.
im glad pros disregard the garbage most people spew from their nooblet hands.
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Did Starbuck do any of his trademark crazy strategies?
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On September 11 2013 10:11 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Did Starbuck do any of his trademark crazy strategies?
his ZvP was trademark starbuck apparently, i can't speak for his ZvT. he seemed to play a julyzerg/life droning style, slowly droning, teching, producing army all at constant rates, liked to stay on 55 or less drones in ZvP as well.
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On September 11 2013 10:06 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 09:24 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:56 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:On September 11 2013 05:02 AlternativeEgo wrote:
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How about Demuslim? If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments. Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament. MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer. I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole heck of nothing. I was expecting something among the lines of "Oh thank you, Xoronius, that you expanded my horizon and increased my wisdom". Apperently I was wrong. So, what my previous post was consisting of were facts about the achievments in premier tournaments. MajOr has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. Illusion has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. LucifroN has reached 10 ro16 in his career. That is 10 tournaments runs equal to the best, Illusion or MajOr has ever accomplished. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP (Since I am nice, I´ll write it down here: WCS Europe 2012, DH Valencia 2012, WCS World 2012, IEM Singapore 2012, IEM Katowice 2013, WCS Europe S1, DH Summer 2013, WCS Europe S2, DH Valencia 2013, ASUS ROG Summer 2013) . Noone can deny that. Your response to a post of FACTS is, that you "should´nt keep biting". This leaves 3 options: 1. You are a troll 2. You know, that you are wrong, but want to save face, because noone admitts, that he is wrong on the internet. 3. You still assume, that you are right, because LucifroN never won a premier - the fact neither Illusion nor MajOr have ever won either and that Luci has made it further then them 6 times for some weird reason does´nt count. ( A long time ago, Husky convinced a large group of people, that Spanishiwa would be a top foreign zerg- which he was quite obviously not) So, let´s just ignore the premier tournament results and talk about actual tournaments wins: LucifroN The Gathering Easter: 13k€ prize-pool with ThorZaiN, NightEnD, Sjow, Brat_Ok, Grubby, Bischu, MorroW and Snute attending. IPL D.I.C.E. Showdown: 10k Prize-pool, destroying Scarlett 3-0 in the final Pokerstrategy.com League: 9k Prize-pool 9 player round robin against Kas, Snute, Titan, Socke, Grubby, Sheth, MorroW and SeleCT So please name one tournament win of either MajOr or Illusion, which comes even slightly close to those (and the Premier results) or give any actual arguments instead of just calling me a troll, because otherwise your position in this discussion seems pretty weak.
10x nothing is still nothing
this conversation bores me which is why I shouldn't keep responding but i guess I feel the need for the last word so sure I am a troll in that respect. I feel like illusion and major have accomplished a lot more than lucifron because regardless of actual placing I have seen them beat far better opponents and seen lucifron lose to far worse ones. perhaps I haven't seen enough of lucifron but he beat a yugioh who is terrible at tvz and that's the only worthy opponent I can remember him ever beating.
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double post meant to edit
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On September 11 2013 11:13 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 10:06 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 09:24 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:56 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
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If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments. Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament. MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer. I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole heck of nothing. I was expecting something among the lines of "Oh thank you, Xoronius, that you expanded my horizon and increased my wisdom". Apperently I was wrong. So, what my previous post was consisting of were facts about the achievments in premier tournaments. MajOr has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. Illusion has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. LucifroN has reached 10 ro16 in his career. That is 10 tournaments runs equal to the best, Illusion or MajOr has ever accomplished. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP (Since I am nice, I´ll write it down here: WCS Europe 2012, DH Valencia 2012, WCS World 2012, IEM Singapore 2012, IEM Katowice 2013, WCS Europe S1, DH Summer 2013, WCS Europe S2, DH Valencia 2013, ASUS ROG Summer 2013) . Noone can deny that. Your response to a post of FACTS is, that you "should´nt keep biting". This leaves 3 options: 1. You are a troll 2. You know, that you are wrong, but want to save face, because noone admitts, that he is wrong on the internet. 3. You still assume, that you are right, because LucifroN never won a premier - the fact neither Illusion nor MajOr have ever won either and that Luci has made it further then them 6 times for some weird reason does´nt count. ( A long time ago, Husky convinced a large group of people, that Spanishiwa would be a top foreign zerg- which he was quite obviously not) So, let´s just ignore the premier tournament results and talk about actual tournaments wins: LucifroN The Gathering Easter: 13k€ prize-pool with ThorZaiN, NightEnD, Sjow, Brat_Ok, Grubby, Bischu, MorroW and Snute attending. IPL D.I.C.E. Showdown: 10k Prize-pool, destroying Scarlett 3-0 in the final Pokerstrategy.com League: 9k Prize-pool 9 player round robin against Kas, Snute, Titan, Socke, Grubby, Sheth, MorroW and SeleCT So please name one tournament win of either MajOr or Illusion, which comes even slightly close to those (and the Premier results) or give any actual arguments instead of just calling me a troll, because otherwise your position in this discussion seems pretty weak. 10x nothing is still nothing this conversation bores me which is why I shouldn't keep responding but i guess I feel the need for the last word so sure I am a troll in that respect. I feel like illusion and major have accomplished a lot more than lucifron because regardless of actual placing I have seen them beat far better opponents and seen lucifron lose to far worse ones. perhaps I haven't seen enough of lucifron but he beat a yugioh who is terrible at tvz and that's the only worthy opponent I can remember him ever beating.
actually it seems like I suddenly recall him beating taeja at some point so I take some of what I said back he's more decent than I gave him credit for and maybe he is better than illusion/major I still lack enough info to tell for sure.
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On September 11 2013 11:13 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 10:06 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 09:24 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:56 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:On September 11 2013 05:04 Fusilero wrote:
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If we're talking overhype I'm gonna throw in illusion. Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments. Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament. MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer. I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole heck of nothing. I was expecting something among the lines of "Oh thank you, Xoronius, that you expanded my horizon and increased my wisdom". Apperently I was wrong. So, what my previous post was consisting of were facts about the achievments in premier tournaments. MajOr has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. Illusion has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. LucifroN has reached 10 ro16 in his career. That is 10 tournaments runs equal to the best, Illusion or MajOr has ever accomplished. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP (Since I am nice, I´ll write it down here: WCS Europe 2012, DH Valencia 2012, WCS World 2012, IEM Singapore 2012, IEM Katowice 2013, WCS Europe S1, DH Summer 2013, WCS Europe S2, DH Valencia 2013, ASUS ROG Summer 2013) . Noone can deny that. Your response to a post of FACTS is, that you "should´nt keep biting". This leaves 3 options: 1. You are a troll 2. You know, that you are wrong, but want to save face, because noone admitts, that he is wrong on the internet. 3. You still assume, that you are right, because LucifroN never won a premier - the fact neither Illusion nor MajOr have ever won either and that Luci has made it further then them 6 times for some weird reason does´nt count. ( A long time ago, Husky convinced a large group of people, that Spanishiwa would be a top foreign zerg- which he was quite obviously not) So, let´s just ignore the premier tournament results and talk about actual tournaments wins: LucifroN The Gathering Easter: 13k€ prize-pool with ThorZaiN, NightEnD, Sjow, Brat_Ok, Grubby, Bischu, MorroW and Snute attending. IPL D.I.C.E. Showdown: 10k Prize-pool, destroying Scarlett 3-0 in the final Pokerstrategy.com League: 9k Prize-pool 9 player round robin against Kas, Snute, Titan, Socke, Grubby, Sheth, MorroW and SeleCT So please name one tournament win of either MajOr or Illusion, which comes even slightly close to those (and the Premier results) or give any actual arguments instead of just calling me a troll, because otherwise your position in this discussion seems pretty weak. 10x nothing is still nothing this conversation bores me which is why I shouldn't keep responding but i guess I feel the need for the last word so sure I am a troll in that respect. I feel like illusion and major have accomplished a lot more than lucifron because regardless of actual placing I have seen them beat far better opponents and seen lucifron lose to far worse ones. perhaps I haven't seen enough of lucifron but he beat a yugioh who is terrible at tvz and that's the only worthy opponent I can remember him ever beating.
Mvp, PartinG, Oz, Stardust, Hyun, MMA, HerO, Taeja, Ryung, pretty much every top foreigner... The list is on Aligulac. After checking both Illusions and MajOrs list, I still see LucifroN far ahead. Having to have the last word does not make you a troll, it is pretty common in online discussions, I do it as well. Maybe you do just catch the wrong matches of him and got to your opinion this way, but objectively his results are just in another league.
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I like how Mvp is at the top of your list, but I do remember LucifroN winning because of one reason: Hellbats.
Afterwards, Mvp commented that he had to see what Hellbats could do with his own eyes, so he made minimal defense intentionally. Then, he took what he learned and almost beat INnoVation. *shrugs*
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On September 11 2013 10:11 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Did Starbuck do any of his trademark crazy strategies?
lets see, i guess 1 base roach vs terran is pretty crazy(weird)
actually straight up macro game 3 vs lucifron
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Are you serious? Someone says, LucifroNs results are equal to MajOr and Illusion. I give his Premier tournament results to clarify that mistake. He says ro16/8 does not mean anything ("10x 0 = 0"). I give Major LAN´s he won. I get to hear, that it is not about results, but about who you beat. I give a list of players, which is bigger thhan MajOrs/Illusions and now you are telling me that it is because of Hellbats? You are nit-picking about the imbalance in a mirror match-up at the 4th level of a discussion, which should have never gone beyond the first.
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On September 11 2013 11:53 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 11:13 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 10:06 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 09:24 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:56 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:37 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:30 Xoronius wrote:On September 11 2013 05:19 magicallypuzzled wrote:On September 11 2013 05:13 Canucklehead wrote:On September 11 2013 05:09 krutopatkin wrote:
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Major - "He's good cuz he trains in Korea!!" None of those players get hyped as someone who could win a tournament like lucifron does though. That's the difference in hype. Every tournament lucifron enters, the casters gush about how he could win it. Every time he fails offline, they just repeat that same hype at the next tourney, only for him to fail again. too true major and illusion can beat people they have proven that but not even I would bill them as a favorite of a tournament and I am a fan of both. so I don't at all consider them over hyped at all. i have never seen them mentioned as a favorite and they shouldn't be but they absolutely are players that can potentially beat just about anyone if they are on point. lucifron on the other hand..... it's gotten so annoying I wouldn't have any problems with him if he was in the same hype level as illusion or major but he's hyped as so much better with accomplishing so much less. Wait, did you just say, that LucifroN has achieved less than major or Illusion? oh your right he's achieved the title of funniest lose ever when he lost a reaper to probes by attacking the rocks..... he should of retired in shame from such a fail and never been mentioned seriously again if there was justice in this world. no seriously when has he accomplished anything at all ever? Ok, since you ask: 4-0 in both group stages in WCS EU Season 1, including 2-0 Mvp offline (ro8 finish) Only player, who is able to defeat Stardust in DH Summer (ro8 finish) Defeating 2 koreans (including Code-S player (at that time) YugiOh) at DH Valencia ( top 6 finish, qualified for DH Winter) 3rd in WCS Europe in 2012 Total of 10 ro16 finishes at Premier tournaments. Now lets look at Illusion: exactly 1 ro16 finish in premier tournaments. That was IEM Sao Paolo, which coincedently had 16 players, which included 8 american qualifiers. 2nd place at "Ye Olde map tournament" (a tourney, which played old (and not neccessarily balanced) maps for fun. Including Steppes of War. Also 2nd place at ONOG, where he for some reason was the only second place group finisher, who played another 2nd place finisher. He defeated Boyo, Destiny and iNcontoL to make the top 4, where he lost to Stephano, defeated Catz and then lost to Kas, because Stephano decided to rather sleep than playing the tournament. MajOr: Exactly 1 ro16 finish in Premier tournaments in TSL 4. He beat Hyun there, which is worth smth., but from what I heard, the series was not that good and he got 3-0ed by johnnyrecco directly after that. Also he won A few bigger tournaments in Latin America, but the competition there was pretty much on Killer. I really shouldn't keep biting but I look at your list of lucifron's achievements and see a whole heck of nothing. I was expecting something among the lines of "Oh thank you, Xoronius, that you expanded my horizon and increased my wisdom". Apperently I was wrong. So, what my previous post was consisting of were facts about the achievments in premier tournaments. MajOr has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. Illusion has exactly once reached the ro16 of a premier tournament. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP. Noone can deny that. LucifroN has reached 10 ro16 in his career. That is 10 tournaments runs equal to the best, Illusion or MajOr has ever accomplished. That is a fact. Everyone can look it up on LP (Since I am nice, I´ll write it down here: WCS Europe 2012, DH Valencia 2012, WCS World 2012, IEM Singapore 2012, IEM Katowice 2013, WCS Europe S1, DH Summer 2013, WCS Europe S2, DH Valencia 2013, ASUS ROG Summer 2013) . Noone can deny that. Your response to a post of FACTS is, that you "should´nt keep biting". This leaves 3 options: 1. You are a troll 2. You know, that you are wrong, but want to save face, because noone admitts, that he is wrong on the internet. 3. You still assume, that you are right, because LucifroN never won a premier - the fact neither Illusion nor MajOr have ever won either and that Luci has made it further then them 6 times for some weird reason does´nt count. ( A long time ago, Husky convinced a large group of people, that Spanishiwa would be a top foreign zerg- which he was quite obviously not) So, let´s just ignore the premier tournament results and talk about actual tournaments wins: LucifroN The Gathering Easter: 13k€ prize-pool with ThorZaiN, NightEnD, Sjow, Brat_Ok, Grubby, Bischu, MorroW and Snute attending. IPL D.I.C.E. Showdown: 10k Prize-pool, destroying Scarlett 3-0 in the final Pokerstrategy.com League: 9k Prize-pool 9 player round robin against Kas, Snute, Titan, Socke, Grubby, Sheth, MorroW and SeleCT So please name one tournament win of either MajOr or Illusion, which comes even slightly close to those (and the Premier results) or give any actual arguments instead of just calling me a troll, because otherwise your position in this discussion seems pretty weak. 10x nothing is still nothing this conversation bores me which is why I shouldn't keep responding but i guess I feel the need for the last word so sure I am a troll in that respect. I feel like illusion and major have accomplished a lot more than lucifron because regardless of actual placing I have seen them beat far better opponents and seen lucifron lose to far worse ones. perhaps I haven't seen enough of lucifron but he beat a yugioh who is terrible at tvz and that's the only worthy opponent I can remember him ever beating. Mvp, PartinG, Oz, Stardust, Hyun, MMA, HerO, Taeja, Ryung, pretty much every top foreigner... The list is on Aligulac. After checking both Illusions and MajOrs list, I still see LucifroN far ahead. Having to have the last word does not make you a troll, it is pretty common in online discussions, I do it as well. Maybe you do just catch the wrong matches of him and got to your opinion this way, but objectively his results are just in another league.
ok i'll acknowledge your point there and merely point out that while he's beaten better opponents he also has a tendacy to lose to far worse opponents too. including losing a reaper to probes with tons of room to move about with. the caster can say it happens all he wants but I gareentee that in an event with him facing elimination and literally nothing else to focus on neither major or illusion would ever make that mistake. I can't imagine a pro ever making that mistake i hate to continue to harp on that particular point but it highlights lucifron's short comings so very well. and more to the point he always has so much hype despite his mistakes like that being fairly typical of his tournament runs.
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