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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 09 2013 18:29 GMT
#121
On September 10 2013 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote:
So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.

It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.

He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.


Most players have a weakest matchup but with Dong it becomes TOO weak. Like top players would have maybe a 40% win rate in their weakest at the very worst.

Dong would never exhibit such weakness in BW, he was strong enough in every matchup to be capable of winning a final in it.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 09 2013 18:31 GMT
#122
On September 10 2013 03:29 Larkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote:
So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.

It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.

He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.


Most players have a weakest matchup but with Dong it becomes TOO weak. Like top players would have maybe a 40% win rate in their weakest at the very worst.

Dong would never exhibit such weakness in BW, he was strong enough in every matchup to be capable of winning a final in it.

Try DRG's ZvZ now.... Or Soulkey's vT (that is his statistically weakest match-up now lol due to hitting Inno all the time, if we do not count his derps at qualifiers).

BW was a game, where insane (that JD surely has) mechanics alone could carry you until the highest level. Combine it with some coach-assistance in preparation and Boom.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 09 2013 18:38 GMT
#123
On September 10 2013 03:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:29 Larkin wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote:
So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.

It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.

He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.


Most players have a weakest matchup but with Dong it becomes TOO weak. Like top players would have maybe a 40% win rate in their weakest at the very worst.

Dong would never exhibit such weakness in BW, he was strong enough in every matchup to be capable of winning a final in it.

Try DRG's ZvZ now.... Or Soulkey's vT (that is his statistically weakest match-up now lol due to hitting Inno all the time, if we do not count his derps at qualifiers).

BW was a game, where insane (that JD surely has) mechanics alone could carry you until the highest level. Combine it with some coach-assistance in preparation and Boom.


Soulkey's weakest matchup is Innovation, DRG hasn't been near a finals in a long time. It's remarkable to me that Dong was able to ride to 4 finals appearances in a very short succession of time, with one or two matchups being so much stronger than the others.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
September 09 2013 18:40 GMT
#124
hahha incontrol wants to see jd so badly
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 09 2013 18:48 GMT
#125
Sick game by JYP. Well held.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 18:59:48
September 09 2013 18:51 GMT
#126
On September 10 2013 03:38 Larkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:29 Larkin wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote:
So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.

It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.

He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.


Most players have a weakest matchup but with Dong it becomes TOO weak. Like top players would have maybe a 40% win rate in their weakest at the very worst.

Dong would never exhibit such weakness in BW, he was strong enough in every matchup to be capable of winning a final in it.

Try DRG's ZvZ now.... Or Soulkey's vT (that is his statistically weakest match-up now lol due to hitting Inno all the time, if we do not count his derps at qualifiers).

BW was a game, where insane (that JD surely has) mechanics alone could carry you until the highest level. Combine it with some coach-assistance in preparation and Boom.


Soulkey's weakest matchup is Innovation, DRG hasn't been near a finals in a long time. It's remarkable to me that Dong was able to ride to 4 finals appearances in a very short succession of time, with one or two matchups being so much stronger than the others.

DRG looks pretty strong in ZvP and ZvT, yet he looks lost in ZvZ imo(hell, he would go into Code B, if he got that 3 zerg group in Ro32 and some zerg in Ro48 of Code A).
Soulkey's weakest matchup is lack of preparation (and since you cannot really prepare for really good terran and got to outplay him mechanically, he does not really command a high winrate in it, though he can easily stomp most of terrans there are).
But yes, JD is like example from Metric system.
EDIT: I wonder why Alicia opts for Blink all-ins so often lately :O
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 09 2013 19:00 GMT
#127
Damn, that was tough.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 09 2013 19:02 GMT
#128
On September 10 2013 03:51 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:38 Larkin wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:31 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:29 Larkin wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote:
So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.

It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.

He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.


Most players have a weakest matchup but with Dong it becomes TOO weak. Like top players would have maybe a 40% win rate in their weakest at the very worst.

Dong would never exhibit such weakness in BW, he was strong enough in every matchup to be capable of winning a final in it.

Try DRG's ZvZ now.... Or Soulkey's vT (that is his statistically weakest match-up now lol due to hitting Inno all the time, if we do not count his derps at qualifiers).

BW was a game, where insane (that JD surely has) mechanics alone could carry you until the highest level. Combine it with some coach-assistance in preparation and Boom.


Soulkey's weakest matchup is Innovation, DRG hasn't been near a finals in a long time. It's remarkable to me that Dong was able to ride to 4 finals appearances in a very short succession of time, with one or two matchups being so much stronger than the others.

DRG looks pretty strong in ZvP and ZvT, yet he looks lost in ZvZ imo(hell, he would go into Code B, if he got that 3 zerg group in Ro32 and some zerg in Ro48 of Code A).
Soulkey's weakest matchup is lack of preparation (and since you cannot really prepare for really good terran and got to outplay him mechanically, he does not really command a high winrate in it, though he can easily stomp most of terrans there are).
But yes, JD is like example from Metric system.
EDIT: I wonder why Alicia opts for Blink all-ins so often lately :O


All of the maps he plays on are especially good for blink all-ins.
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Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
September 09 2013 19:03 GMT
#129
Just quickly want to say a massive kudos to Incontrol and EG for putting all that they have into the SC2L. Obviously it's not as big as a 'NA Proleague' YET, but to actually stick with this sort of thing, pour your casting and organizing into this week after week regardless of the views, is a great thing to see in the NA SC2 scene.

Please keep up your fantastic casting and dedication, Incontrol! Let's do like the NASL did and grow this thing into a respected and loved NA tournament.
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
September 09 2013 19:14 GMT
#130
music playlist is pretty good, anyone know what it is?
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16846 Posts
September 09 2013 19:17 GMT
#131
I dunno the playlist, but listen to this. Norwegian masterpiece.



TL and EG fighting! or Axiom, that works too!
The Bomber boy
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 19:20:24
September 09 2013 19:19 GMT
#132
What is this thing with a nice LR thread? No whining, no bashing or "SC2 is dying" yells? And Jazzman88 two posts above me said it all. This is good stuff by EG

EDIT: and no don't listen to the fox song. Just don't.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
September 09 2013 19:19 GMT
#133
Yea enjoying this very much
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 09 2013 19:22 GMT
#134
Hahah I went to eat and this game is still going on. How did that even happen? What did Heart do to not die?
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 09 2013 19:23 GMT
#135
If the guy from the Fox song had actually heard a fox and what it says, I doubt he'd make a cute humorous song about it. Foxes produce hellish sounds.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
September 09 2013 19:26 GMT
#136
Back home right in time for Jaedong vs Grubby .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
September 09 2013 19:29 GMT
#137
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote:
So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.

It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.

when did JD lose against Zest and First?
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 19:30:23
September 09 2013 19:30 GMT
#138
On September 10 2013 04:29 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote:
So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.

It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.

when did JD lose against Zest and First?


oh nvm.
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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
September 09 2013 19:30 GMT
#139
On September 10 2013 04:29 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote:
So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.

It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.

when did JD lose against Zest and First?


This morning in IEM KR/TW qualifiers. Beat TaeJa 2-0 though
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 09 2013 19:30 GMT
#140
On September 10 2013 04:29 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote:
So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.

It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.

when did JD lose against Zest and First?


This morning, IEM qualifiers. Lost in WR1 to Zest, beat Taeja 2-0 in LR1, then lost to First 2-0.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
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