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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
August 18 2013 17:46 GMT
#641
holy shit.

innovation vs soulkey is quickly becoming the leessang rok of sc2. awesome!
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 17:52:33
August 18 2013 17:50 GMT
#642
On August 19 2013 02:08 larse wrote:
Free VODs:

Parting Sora 1:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3Njc3ODcy.html

2:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3NjczNjc2.html

Innovation Soulkey 1:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3Njg2OTg0.html

2:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTk3NzAxOTg4.html


Thanks! Much appreciated.

EDIT: Haha, Parting, what a baller. 2:0 vs Jangbi/Rain/Innovation/Sora, and a ceremony, true champion material right there.
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
August 18 2013 17:53 GMT
#643
On August 19 2013 02:46 Black Gun wrote:
holy shit.

innovation vs soulkey is quickly becoming the leessang rok of sc2. awesome!


Yes with one problem: SK has like lost the last 6 matches against Inno.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7218 Posts
August 18 2013 18:04 GMT
#644
On August 19 2013 02:53 PerSe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 02:46 Black Gun wrote:
holy shit.

innovation vs soulkey is quickly becoming the leessang rok of sc2. awesome!


Yes with one problem: SK has like lost the last 6 matches against Inno.

firebathero vs savior ^^
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
August 18 2013 18:07 GMT
#645
On August 19 2013 02:53 PerSe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 02:46 Black Gun wrote:
holy shit.

innovation vs soulkey is quickly becoming the leessang rok of sc2. awesome!


Yes with one problem: SK has like lost the last 6 matches against Inno.

this totally reminds me of jd vs flash: jd won their first MSL finals encounter, but lost the following 3 consecutive finals in which they faced off.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 19 2013 01:20 GMT
#646
Soulkey vs Innovation is about as much of a rivalry as MKP vs Mvp at this point
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 19 2013 01:40 GMT
#647
On August 19 2013 10:20 Dodgin wrote:
Soulkey vs Innovation is about as much of a rivalry as MKP vs Mvp at this point

Well, unlike MKP Soulkey did win a BoX, even 2 (Bo1 and Bo7 :D)
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 19 2013 01:42 GMT
#648
On August 19 2013 01:33 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 00:24 liberate71 wrote:
On August 18 2013 22:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 18 2013 22:08 Swisslink wrote:
On August 18 2013 21:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 18 2013 21:48 SsoL wrote:
On August 18 2013 21:31 Taipoka wrote:
On August 18 2013 21:19 Fjodorov wrote:
What bothers me as a spectator is that there is zero comeback chance for the zerg once the terran gets ahead while the terran seems to pull off "amazing" comebacks. And for those talking about brood lords in game2 plz take a look on that map and the bases and tell me how SK is going to defend them with BL against the mobile army of innovation.

What sounds "strange" to me aboutTvZ (Not whine since im protoss fan), is that terran is the race that "swarm" lower tier units on his opponent.
And people say to zerg:
"Go to higher techs".
Isnt it supposed to be the inverse?
Or am i wrong in my concepts?


Medivacs are tier 3. Widow mines are tier 2 if i'm not mistaken, same as mutalisks and banelings. Of course the terran tech tree is easier to access, but people tend to forget that without a lot of medivacs, marines are worth nothing.

On August 18 2013 20:47 Aunvilgod wrote:
On August 18 2013 20:25 Swisslink wrote:
On August 18 2013 20:24 Aunvilgod wrote:
On August 18 2013 20:22 lolfail9001 wrote:
[quote]
Well, to be fair if we do not take players JD and Scarlett get to play against into consideration we could consider 'em doing better than most of Korean zergs.


If do not take them into consideration, yes. But we do. Otherwise we could say DeMuslim is one of the best players in the world because he has an amazing winrate on NA...


That's why I said "maybe", because it's hard to judge how they'd do agains the Korean Terrans (Season finals will show).
But my point is just: There aren't too many Zerg who I'd consider to be stronger than Life (In this specific matchup!) and the results lately prove that quite well, IMO.


With the recent migration of lower level Koreans into WCS NA and EU it surely has become extremely hard to tell who is how good.
In that specific case I really doubt Either Scarlett or JD are better than Life.


Hyun, Symbol, Soulkey, soo, Kangho, TRUE, even Songduri or DRG. All performing quite well at the moment.

1st: Medivacs are not tier 3. They are tier 2. And no, starport is not tier 3. Starports with tech labs (aka banshees, ravens and BCs) are tier 3 though.
2nd: Getting into Code S is not performing well, especially considering that Soulkey for example did it on the back of his ZvZ only last season (and so did Symbol).


KangHo fits in this list with Symbol and Soulkey as well (He won against JangBi and Hurricane once each, everyone else was Zerg.). And SoO... I don't know, he held off a proxy 2-rax twice and got to Code S. No idea how strong he'd be in a normal game, tbh.
To be brutally honest, I don't see anyone beside Hyun/Soulkey in this list who I expect to reach the Season 3 finals. And Hyun has to get to premier first xD

I will laugh so hard if we actually end up with no zergs at Blizzcon. That would be glorious imo.


I think Soulkey is a lock


Jaedong will probably also be a lock if EG keeps on sending him to every single tournament with WCS points.

Considering the volatility of WCS Europe (seriously, Ro16 players dropping out :D) i won't wonder if we get no zergs from Europe. Soulkey will most likely go, yep, JD... well, it depends how many times he will meet Polt :D
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
August 19 2013 03:10 GMT
#649
On August 19 2013 10:20 Dodgin wrote:
Soulkey vs Innovation is about as much of a rivalry as MKP vs Mvp at this point



Every Soulkey Innovation game is really close, so I wouldn't classify it as that. Also Soulkey has taken the most important series so far (GSL).

It's definitely the highest level rivalry we've ever seen.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 19 2013 03:14 GMT
#650
On August 19 2013 12:10 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 10:20 Dodgin wrote:
Soulkey vs Innovation is about as much of a rivalry as MKP vs Mvp at this point



Every Soulkey Innovation game is really close, so I wouldn't classify it as that. Also Soulkey has taken the most important series so far (GSL).

It's definitely the highest level rivalry we've ever seen.

Actually their macro games are not even close.
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JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 03:16:54
August 19 2013 03:14 GMT
#651
Soulkey/innovation is a lot like MVP/Nestea was in 2011. MVP pretty much always won but the games/series were usually very close. It's also similar in that win-rate wise Nestea/Soulkey look/looked bad in ZvT even though they were/are the best in that matchup. (Yes Nestea was better than DRG. DRG just didn't have to play MVP 20 times throughout 2011.)
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 19 2013 03:19 GMT
#652
On August 19 2013 03:07 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 02:53 PerSe wrote:
On August 19 2013 02:46 Black Gun wrote:
holy shit.

innovation vs soulkey is quickly becoming the leessang rok of sc2. awesome!


Yes with one problem: SK has like lost the last 6 matches against Inno.

this totally reminds me of jd vs flash: jd won their first MSL finals encounter, but lost the following 3 consecutive finals in which they faced off.


That went on a lot longer though. All of this has been within the last year. o;
Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
August 19 2013 03:51 GMT
#653
On August 19 2013 12:14 JJH777 wrote:
Soulkey/innovation is a lot like MVP/Nestea was in 2011. MVP pretty much always won but the games/series were usually very close. It's also similar in that win-rate wise Nestea/Soulkey look/looked bad in ZvT even though they were/are the best in that matchup. (Yes Nestea was better than DRG. DRG just didn't have to play MVP 20 times throughout 2011.)


I think this is the more apt comparison. Nestea always almost looked like he was going to beat Mvp throughout his games only to fall late game. Soulkey/Innovation is almost exactly like that.
"May all your dreaming fill the empty sky."
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
August 19 2013 04:56 GMT
#654
WHOAAAAA the final was 2/3??????
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
Mariosatr
Profile Joined September 2012
294 Posts
August 19 2013 07:15 GMT
#655
Sorjwa defeated >
A mind sharper than any blade.
MasterDrone
Profile Joined January 2013
France50 Posts
August 19 2013 08:36 GMT
#656
On August 18 2013 19:09 Packawana wrote:
No third, shredded natural, and Innovation still wins? Wat.


You know, thanks to Mules

Actually I would call this: 5M : 4M + Mules
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2146 Posts
August 19 2013 10:06 GMT
#657
To be honest, watching Soulkey vs Innovation was a stressing ordeal, all I ever saw was one stupid lucky widow mine hit after the next that seem to always be so effective, its ridiculous and it wrecks the game, how can a mine shot be so much more effective then a TANK shot, this coming from a Terran player -.-
John 15:13
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 19 2013 16:52 GMT
#658
On August 19 2013 19:06 PiPoGevy wrote:
To be honest, watching Soulkey vs Innovation was a stressing ordeal, all I ever saw was one stupid lucky widow mine hit after the next that seem to always be so effective, its ridiculous and it wrecks the game, how can a mine shot be so much more effective then a TANK shot, this coming from a Terran player -.-

Actually in 2nd game you could clearly tell the difference between usual innovation's widow mines and his casual ones. His so called effective widow mine hits (seriously i have seen widow mine hitting exact MIDDLE of pack of lings nearby, and no, those lings were not even close to running over mine), are actually just use of target micro. Hard as **** to pull off, but pretty darn effective.
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
August 19 2013 19:16 GMT
#659
On August 19 2013 17:36 MasterDrone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 19:09 Packawana wrote:
No third, shredded natural, and Innovation still wins? Wat.


You know, thanks to Mules

Actually I would call this: 5M : 4M + Mules


Haha, hope this is gonna stick in a well-meaning, teasing way.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 19 2013 19:55 GMT
#660
On August 20 2013 04:16 Daswollvieh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 17:36 MasterDrone wrote:
On August 18 2013 19:09 Packawana wrote:
No third, shredded natural, and Innovation still wins? Wat.


You know, thanks to Mules

Actually I would call this: 5M : 4M + Mules


Haha, hope this is gonna stick in a well-meaning, teasing way.

Now the real question is: What will be 6th M in LotV?
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