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Stop the balance whining please.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
August 12 2013 04:03 GMT
#3921
On August 12 2013 13:02 mcmartini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 12:55 Fionn wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:48 slowbacontron wrote:
I'm pretty sure Polt is not studying Animal Biotech in the US. Maybe he is in an English as second language program or something.


He's taking ESL classes.

What is ESL? Aussie here no clue what that means?

English as a Second Language
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 12 2013 04:05 GMT
#3922
On August 12 2013 13:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
Crushing 4-0 from Polt or close and tight games individually?


It rarely looked like Polt was ever really going to lose. Not close, but they weren't just one sided stomps.

S'how it felt anyways.
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 04:08:18
August 12 2013 04:07 GMT
#3923
Game 2* it looked like Polt would lose but he turned things around handily. It really was a brilliant performance by him.

* Don't remember exactly :S
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painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
August 12 2013 04:09 GMT
#3924
Happy for Polt, sad for the Dong
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 04:11:11
August 12 2013 04:10 GMT
#3925
On August 12 2013 12:45 Baroninthetree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 12:40 BigFan wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:35 plogamer wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:31 BigFan wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:29 plogamer wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:28 Tachion wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:23 IPA wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:20 Tachion wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:13 goody153 wrote:
[quote]

the swarmhost has almost no synergy in zvt .. locusts are too slow .. i may be wrong but i have not seen anyone successfully incorporating swarmhosts vs bio-mine terran in the highest levels ..

and yes zergs havent figured out the hive timing

The match up as a whole lacks diversity, it's on both sides of the aisle. Terrans field strictly bio/mine not just because it's a strong unit comp but also because the race lacks any kind of alternative composition that works at all in complement with Bio.

Zerg as a response is fielding units that are only produced with the expressed purpose of dealing with Bio/Mine. It's a vicious cycle.

I don't think zerg lacks diversity in the matchup. Not intentionally. I've seen swarmhosts, infestors, muta/ling, roach/hydra, quick hives and roach busts and baneling busts and whatnot, it's just that so few things are good vs bio/mine that it severely limits zergs options.


Does not compute.

Basically I've seen a ton of different unit comps in ZvT over past 1-2 months, but the problem is that so little of it is actually viable. Zergs have tried/are trying to diversify to figure out how to respond to bio/mine, but basically none of it is working(so far) so all of these various styles are getting shot down 1 by 1 which = less variety.


Maybe zergs can split their units and not eat widowmines in a clump

hard to do so if the widow mines are at a choke and you're forced to engage.

On a side note, imagine if terrans had forcefields and widow mines LOL


So better tactical awareness?

Being forced to engage in a choke from one side -should- be bad for zerg. It is bad in TvT too. They are the more mobile race with crazy map vision - setting up flanks should be the way to retake chokes.

I agree, more flanks needed from zerg players!

WM line is designed to conter aggression from any direction, especially flank

Interesting point. Thing is, constant engagement from one direction is more beneficial to the terran than the zerg.

On August 12 2013 13:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
Crushing 4-0 from Polt or close and tight games individually?

It wasn't crushing but asides from the last game, I think Polt was in the lead and doing really well in most of the games. Too bad that Jaedong wasn't able to take a game off him. I feel that it really must've hurt his mentality ><
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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
August 12 2013 04:10 GMT
#3926
On August 12 2013 13:05 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 13:03 IntoTheheart wrote:
Crushing 4-0 from Polt or close and tight games individually?


It rarely looked like Polt was ever really going to lose. Not close, but they weren't just one sided stomps.

S'how it felt anyways.

I dunno. I thought JD was in control that Neo Planet S game. I watch way too many Polt games and he was uncharacteristically sloppy that game in comp.
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
August 12 2013 04:13 GMT
#3927
On August 12 2013 13:02 mcmartini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 12:55 Fionn wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:48 slowbacontron wrote:
I'm pretty sure Polt is not studying Animal Biotech in the US. Maybe he is in an English as second language program or something.


He's taking ESL classes.

What is ESL? Aussie here no clue what that means?


english (as) second language
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 12 2013 04:13 GMT
#3928
On August 12 2013 13:07 slowbacontron wrote:
Game 2* it looked like Polt would lose but he turned things around handily. It really was a brilliant performance by him.

* Don't remember exactly :S

probably thinking of game 3 where he was 50 supply down? Newkirk or Neo Planet S?
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packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
August 12 2013 04:20 GMT
#3929
On August 12 2013 13:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 13:07 slowbacontron wrote:
Game 2* it looked like Polt would lose but he turned things around handily. It really was a brilliant performance by him.

* Don't remember exactly :S

probably thinking of game 3 where he was 50 supply down? Newkirk or Neo Planet S?

Game 3, I was sitting in front of my TV yelling at JD to transition out of mutalisks. It was bad.
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
August 12 2013 04:21 GMT
#3930
JaeKong!!!!

gratz polt and sorry Donger~
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midnight999
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States257 Posts
August 12 2013 04:29 GMT
#3931
On August 12 2013 12:08 theking1 wrote:
another fan favourite taken out by somebody else.I really do not know how this dude claims to be studying english in the USA,He has the fluency of a romanian second grader.Really you learn better english from watching movies and cartoons.Dunno what professors he has at the university but I guess oral examinations are not a must.I really wanted jd to win.He has had to many silver finishes.And he just abuses marines and widow mines.


O plz, gtfo
Maleta
Profile Joined September 2012
Chile150 Posts
August 12 2013 04:30 GMT
#3932
next week jaeKONG, next week

you take that gold in germany!!!
Forward + Down + Downforward + Forward + Punch (Any) // F + QF + HP/MP/LP.... SHORYUKEN!!!
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
August 12 2013 04:39 GMT
#3933
Did anybody keep track with the twitch viewers in WCS KR AM and EU? All I know is EU got 77k and AM is around 50k.
AKMU / IU
RedDeckWins
Profile Joined December 2010
United States123 Posts
August 12 2013 04:42 GMT
#3934
On August 12 2013 12:15 theking1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 12:12 BigFan wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:08 theking1 wrote:
another fan favourite taken out by somebody else.I really do not know how this dude claims to be studying english in the USA,He has the fluency of a romanian second grader.Really you learn better english from watching movies and cartoons.Dunno what professors he has at the university but I guess oral examinations are not a must.I really wanted jd to win.He has had to many silver finishes.And he just abuses marines and widow mines.

please tell me you're joking. Why so harsh? I think his english is great and it keeps getting better and better. I'm sure his vocabulary is bigger than most people realize but he just doesn't have the verbal aspect done tight but that comes with practice. Polt is the most awesome SCII player imo!


Dude he majors in ENGLISH at UNIVERSITY level.At UNIVERSITY levels you are supposed to write 20 page long essays using advanced english and read entire books from one week to another.Polt literally is not proficient in oral English.i have never seen his essays or anything else from him but he can not express himself in English.he says one phrase mostly a subject and a predicate and that is it.I could speak better English than him in the 7th grade,How did this dude pass the Toefl Oral requirement.You can not get into uni in the USA without Toefl.He is bad at English considering he majors in it.

User was warned for this post


Reading and writing English (or any language) is a lot different than speaking it.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 12 2013 04:45 GMT
#3935
On August 12 2013 13:39 shin_toss wrote:
Did anybody keep track with the twitch viewers in WCS KR AM and EU? All I know is EU got 77k and AM is around 50k.


Foreign viewers for WCS KR was around 30-40k iirc

As usual we have no idea about gomplayer, Korean streams, and Korean TV. Not a stretch to say they would eclipse EU/AM combined.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 12 2013 05:05 GMT
#3936
Yesssssss Polt <3
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
August 12 2013 05:21 GMT
#3937
On August 12 2013 13:45 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 13:39 shin_toss wrote:
Did anybody keep track with the twitch viewers in WCS KR AM and EU? All I know is EU got 77k and AM is around 50k.


Foreign viewers for WCS KR was around 30-40k iirc

As usual we have no idea about gomplayer, Korean streams, and Korean TV. Not a stretch to say they would eclipse EU/AM combined.


foreign numbers for korean wcs is very insignificative since they do not rely on it for funding or something like that.i would actually like to see the ratings of ogn during the osl final(aka television viewership).I know they are hard to find and only television stations receive them form the viewership measurement company but sometimes tv personalities like to show off on their blogs with the viewership they have.Maybe someone in korea can track down such personalities or ask a korean personality with a blog or online presence about the tv viewership situation for sc2 in korea.And i know for certain they brag with their numbers.in romania they always do and i have seen some usa news stations such as fox news and msnbc do the same thing.Someone somewhere must know how many koreans watched ogn during the osl final

If the viewership for wcs eu of 70k is correct it is a bit of a dissapointment compared to last years 120k but last year it was more stacked with fan favourites and more foreigners compared to this year .This is the effect of mass korean dominance into europe wcs am had constant viewership despite better production value form nasl.
Kinon
Profile Joined October 2012
Romania207 Posts
August 12 2013 05:26 GMT
#3938
On August 12 2013 14:21 theking1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 13:45 lichter wrote:
On August 12 2013 13:39 shin_toss wrote:
Did anybody keep track with the twitch viewers in WCS KR AM and EU? All I know is EU got 77k and AM is around 50k.


Foreign viewers for WCS KR was around 30-40k iirc

As usual we have no idea about gomplayer, Korean streams, and Korean TV. Not a stretch to say they would eclipse EU/AM combined.




If the viewership for wcs eu of 70k is correct it is a bit of a dissapointment compared to last years 120k but last year it was more stacked with fan favourites and more foreigners compared to this year .This is the effect of mass korean dominance into europe wcs am had constant viewership despite better production value form nasl.


Don't forget about TI3. Also, only 3 koreans in top 8, so it's not that bad, it only forces the local scene to become better.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12632 Posts
August 12 2013 05:37 GMT
#3939
On August 12 2013 13:03 slowbacontron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 13:02 mcmartini wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:55 Fionn wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:48 slowbacontron wrote:
I'm pretty sure Polt is not studying Animal Biotech in the US. Maybe he is in an English as second language program or something.


He's taking ESL classes.

What is ESL? Aussie here no clue what that means?

English as a Second Language

I think they don't call it that anymore because English is not necessarily the 2nd language.
UK changed it to EAL since around 8 years ago, English as ADDITIONAL Language
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 12 2013 05:43 GMT
#3940
On August 12 2013 14:37 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 13:03 slowbacontron wrote:
On August 12 2013 13:02 mcmartini wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:55 Fionn wrote:
On August 12 2013 12:48 slowbacontron wrote:
I'm pretty sure Polt is not studying Animal Biotech in the US. Maybe he is in an English as second language program or something.


He's taking ESL classes.

What is ESL? Aussie here no clue what that means?

English as a Second Language

I think they don't call it that anymore because English is not necessarily the 2nd language.
UK changed it to EAL since around 8 years ago, English as ADDITIONAL Language

ESL is still commonly used in Canada.
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