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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 07 2013 18:55 GMT
#1601
On August 08 2013 03:54 LastLordofCastamere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 03:51 The_Templar wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:48 Noonius wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:45 Bahajinbo wrote:
6 Protoss. WTF. At least I can learn something about PvP. It seems that Protoss doesn't need the sad zealot fanclub anymore.



You'll learn that colossus lazer shows are boring and you'll never want to see another hots pvp again

Every time someone says PvP is boring I feel obligated to tell them to watch this



It was a typical turtly hasuobs game, he had a similar vs Thorazin in hoestory cup

I prsonally found it long and tedious

Do not talk about that game, please. T.T
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Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
August 07 2013 18:55 GMT
#1602
On August 08 2013 03:50 AstroPegnuin wrote:
I love how people are crying because Protoss is doing well for once in all of it's history, some things never change I guess


By far the least successful race throughout the entirety of SC2 yet always the most complained about, the first to get shit on. No matter what playstyle is tried. If Naniwa won this with 1 base all-ins Protoss is a cheesy race. If he won it by defending 1 base all-ins MSC is overpowered. If he did a 2 base timing Protoss is gimmicky. He defends on 3 bases and Protoss is a no skill turtle race. The race just can't catch a break.
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 18:55:50
August 07 2013 18:55 GMT
#1603
On August 08 2013 03:52 SlixSC wrote:
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On August 08 2013 03:51 AxiR wrote:
I'm so sick of people complaining about too many tosses. Last season we had 2 in the ro8.


2 is the right amount out of 8. 6+ is (way) too many.


Well to be honest people should not complain yet, there have been extremely few points in SC2 were protoss have dominated. They were the least successful race in professional WoL and is still so far over all in HotS.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 07 2013 18:55 GMT
#1604
It's alright, finale will win this. There will be no complaints about storm or lategame protoss. Finale will make terrans cry about the good old 4gate.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11086 Posts
August 07 2013 18:55 GMT
#1605
Should just slap everyone here complaining about the Protoss in the WCS EU and KR. Rain was the only toss in the top 4.

2 Toss in the quarters on par with 2 zergs and 4 people cursed with the race that can't compete.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL/Premier

I dont know how you watch each of the Ro16 groups and complain. Everyone who got through clearly deserved it over their opponents. Then we had last WCS where there were no toss in europe. Whatever. SC2 is what sc2 is.
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Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
August 07 2013 18:55 GMT
#1606
On August 08 2013 03:51 Yonnua wrote:
Was Naniwa harassing all through that second game? If not, how did MMA drop down to 34 workers so quickly? He certainly didn't sacrifice them at any point, so I feel like Nani must have been harassing with dts (he did the storm drop later but MMA had already lost tons of workers by then).


Yeah, I think Adibesi uncharacteristically missed a few things that would've better explained what happened that game.
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
August 07 2013 18:55 GMT
#1607
On August 08 2013 03:54 gobbledydook wrote:
maybe MMA lost because he didn't pull scvs. The first attack on the 3rd would have been overwhelmingly in favour of MMA if he had pulled his scvs too, even accounting for the horrible positioning.

You don't pull SCVs against storm.

You pull SCVs after the storms, after you got rid of some AoE.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
August 07 2013 18:55 GMT
#1608
On August 08 2013 03:53 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 03:53 scypio wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:50 boxerfred wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:50 Noonius wrote:
Analysis by Apollo: be behind, get storm, turtle, win



Basically, MMA threw it. It wasn't about any game imbalance. Get it, please.


Basically, toss was always the comeback race and it shines through this game. So stop calling throws as a competent toss can play from behind, and Naniwa looked pretty competent today.


Toss is the comeback race?


In TvP storm could always turn things around..
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 07 2013 18:56 GMT
#1609
On August 08 2013 03:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It's alright, finale will win this. There will be no complaints about storm or lategame protoss. Finale will make terrans cry about the good old 4gate.

Or DT rush.
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scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
August 07 2013 18:56 GMT
#1610
On August 08 2013 03:53 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 03:53 scypio wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:50 boxerfred wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:50 Noonius wrote:
Analysis by Apollo: be behind, get storm, turtle, win



Basically, MMA threw it. It wasn't about any game imbalance. Get it, please.


Basically, toss was always the comeback race and it shines through this game. So stop calling throws as a competent toss can play from behind, and Naniwa looked pretty competent today.


Toss is the comeback race?


Yes, you could have seen it yesterday when Lucifron was rampaging duckdeoks main in their G3 and today again in the Nani vs MMA we just watched.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
AxiR
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany944 Posts
August 07 2013 18:56 GMT
#1611
On August 08 2013 03:54 gobbledydook wrote:
maybe MMA lost because he didn't pull scvs. The first attack on the 3rd would have been overwhelmingly in favour of MMA if he had pulled his scvs too, even accounting for the horrible positioning.

Nah. Scv timings don't work against storm, with no ghosts
TiberiusAk
Profile Joined August 2011
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 18:58:49
August 07 2013 18:56 GMT
#1612
On August 08 2013 03:50 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Might happen that we won't have a single Zerg player playing at the WCS Season 2 Global Finals.

It'd be hilariously glorious if Jaedong was the only zerg that made it to the season finals, and then won the whole thing.

But then again...JvP?

Edit: On topic: Sick defenses by naniwa!
"I like the new weapon, it's solid removal with a really nice deathrattle in a mech deck. The murloc is a little confusing though, not sure why they thought shamans needed a murloc."
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 18:57:12
August 07 2013 18:56 GMT
#1613
On August 08 2013 03:53 AxiR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 03:51 NovaMB wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:51 AxiR wrote:
I'm so sick of people complaining about too many tosses. Last season we had 2 in the ro8.


1

Woops.

Well, that makes the whiners even more hypocritical.


They are not whiners ffs! It's a bad viewing experience with only PvP is all it is.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 07 2013 18:57 GMT
#1614
On August 08 2013 03:56 TiberiusAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 03:50 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
Might happen that we won't have a single Zerg player playing at the WCS Season 2 Global Finals.

It'd be hilariously glorious if Jaedong was the only zerg that made it to the season finals, and then won the whole thing.

But then again...JvP?

Yeah I feel as if that'd be his downfall. But on the other hand at least he'd only have to practice one matchup!
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
August 07 2013 18:57 GMT
#1615
On August 08 2013 03:55 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 03:50 AstroPegnuin wrote:
I love how people are crying because Protoss is doing well for once in all of it's history, some things never change I guess


By far the least successful race throughout the entirety of SC2 yet always the most complained about, the first to get shit on. No matter what playstyle is tried. If Naniwa won this with 1 base all-ins Protoss is a cheesy race. If he won it by defending 1 base all-ins MSC is overpowered. If he did a 2 base timing Protoss is gimmicky. He defends on 3 bases and Protoss is a no skill turtle race. The race just can't catch a break.

I think you just identified the problem with Protoss. All-in's and turtles. There's not much middle ground, which is why P games aren't very fun to watch (for me anyway).
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
August 07 2013 18:57 GMT
#1616
People whining about racial distribution are forgetting that we have 4 terrans 2 protoss 2 zerg in the top 8 of WCS Korea, and
currently 2 terrans 1 protoss 1 zerg in WCS America ro8.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 07 2013 18:57 GMT
#1617
With TI3 being on the same week end, things were already pretty bleak, but if it's a full day of PvP... Oh my.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 18:58:37
August 07 2013 18:57 GMT
#1618
On August 08 2013 03:55 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 03:53 Heartland wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:53 scypio wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:50 boxerfred wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:50 Noonius wrote:
Analysis by Apollo: be behind, get storm, turtle, win



Basically, MMA threw it. It wasn't about any game imbalance. Get it, please.


Basically, toss was always the comeback race and it shines through this game. So stop calling throws as a competent toss can play from behind, and Naniwa looked pretty competent today.


Toss is the comeback race?


In TvP storm could always turn things around..


If MMA had micro'ed at all from the storms he'd have won. Storm turns things around when you sit in it. I'm also not sure why everyone is talking about the storms because after the hold at Naniwa's third, MMA never replenished vikings in significant numbers. Colossus probably did more damage through out the game overall than the storms did.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-07 18:59:04
August 07 2013 18:57 GMT
#1619
On August 08 2013 03:56 scypio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 03:53 Heartland wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:53 scypio wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:50 boxerfred wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:50 Noonius wrote:
Analysis by Apollo: be behind, get storm, turtle, win



Basically, MMA threw it. It wasn't about any game imbalance. Get it, please.


Basically, toss was always the comeback race and it shines through this game. So stop calling throws as a competent toss can play from behind, and Naniwa looked pretty competent today.


Toss is the comeback race?


Yes, you could have seen it yesterday when Lucifron was rampaging duckdeoks main in their G3 and today again in the Nani vs MMA we just watched.


Or when Mvp played protoss against Innovation and Tefel. Or when Taeja played protoss against Hyun at ASUS ROG

If you're wondering why Lucifron lost to finale, it's because finale was never behind in that game. He held because Lucifron was killing the probes he had plenty of while his army was doing damage. That wasn't a comeback, it was finale being smart as hell, using his probes to protect his army at all costs and Lucifron not microing well.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 07 2013 18:57 GMT
#1620
On August 08 2013 03:53 scypio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 03:50 boxerfred wrote:
On August 08 2013 03:50 Noonius wrote:
Analysis by Apollo: be behind, get storm, turtle, win



Basically, MMA threw it. It wasn't about any game imbalance. Get it, please.


Basically, toss was always the comeback race and it shines through this game. So stop calling throws as a competent toss can play from behind, and Naniwa looked pretty competent today.



Hm, I'm kind of agreeing to this due to the sick potential of high templars. One or two sick storms can make a 20 supply difference, yep. But you have to agree that the point when MMA engaged first time into Naniwas 3rd, he threw his 30-supply-advantage(!) away by missmicro clumping (as well of vikings as of the bio that came from the left side).

I'm not saying Naniwa played bad (though these 2 widow mine shots could've been dodged). I'm just saying that MMA had a huge advantage - and threw it away. With smaller mistakes later, eg. several time ghosts just died without setting off good EMPs or snipes, Naniwa was able to win the game.
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