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intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

August 07 2013 17:28 GMT

#781

Mech vs. Bio. The last time I saw this, it was a Fantasy gg timing.

Aeromi

France14456 Posts

August 07 2013 17:28 GMT

#782

On August 08 2013 02:28 Yello wrote:

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because he's going air-terran. Can't kill a defensive mech-player on this map

Thanks.

SpikeStarcraft

Germany2095 Posts

August 07 2013 17:28 GMT

#783

woah! mind = blown!

you can unsiege and load up the tank in a medivac to dodge hunter seeker missiles :O

But you have to react fast!

Fuchsteufelswild

Australia2028 Posts

August 07 2013 17:28 GMT

#784

That was very cool.
Now try that with an overlord.
I'll even give you Pneumatised Carapace.

BlackCompany

Germany8388 Posts

August 07 2013 17:28 GMT

#785

If MMA plays all his games this good... one can dream!

Germany4057 Posts

August 07 2013 17:28 GMT

#786

oh mma. battlecruisers to the win

rearee

15 Posts

August 07 2013 17:28 GMT

#787

"We need a big korean superstar"
Do we? Why?

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#788

2port BC? What?

Sogetsu

514 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#789

On August 08 2013 02:28 TimENT wrote:
God damn MMA is so fuckin sexy

Yeah OMG, I remember why I loved him so much time ago :')

Big J

Austria16289 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#790

On August 08 2013 02:20 Thallis wrote:

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On August 08 2013 02:16 Big J wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:13 Thallis wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:10 Big J wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:06 Nebuchad wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:05 Big J wrote:

On August 08 2013 02:02 Zenbrez wrote:

On August 08 2013 01:59 Big J wrote:

On August 08 2013 01:56 DJHelium wrote:
The best thing about the void rays is that you don't have to target fire, they will kill the hydras first anyway. As soon as you see them targeting a roach, just activate them.

I don't think Tefel is reacting to this build in a good way, infestors would at least twice as good.

I think people overestimate infestors for that. Fungal has been nerfed by 10damage vs armored and infestors are really expensive in the midgame. He would get at most 10infestors instead of the 30hydras he was working with.

Imo, the way to go against this style is either blindcounter the third with an allin or sit on 4bases forever with hydra/viper/swarmhost/statics.

Edit: fungal is still good vs void rays, but it's not affordable to deal with them in the midgame.

You underestimate it. You don't need 10 infestors. You only use them for fungal, ITs are useless. Voidrays stack a loooot - sure he could split them, but lets be honest, nobody really does. Even having just 2 infestors, pinning them and dealing 50-60 dmg (since people generally overlap the fungals) to ALL of them is hugely significant. A pure hydra army won't do the job

I don't think you should base your strategy on your opponent playing shit. Naniwa scouted a lot. Had he seen infestors, he would have surely presplit his army.

That's a bit unrealistic. That's like saying, "don't ever go for templars in PvT, the terran is good, he will split his bio."

Just look at the numbers... Tefel had ~30hydralisks. Now if he goes infestors as well he immidiatly misses 5 of them (infestation pit + energy upgrade) for the tech and 3 for each infestor he builds due to the gas being the limiting factor. The remaining army will be mostly zerglings with 10 hydras and 5 infestors. That's simply not enough.

You don't have to be split perfectly, just having an arc in which not more than 5 voidrays get fungaled at once (there are only 5fungals) will be enough to hold.

Sure, but that assumes he stays on 3 bases and attacks with that army instead of having a good economy and attacking in open areas.

well, if he doesn't attack at that timing it will be a completely different thing. Then he has to consider how to beat Protoss in the lategame when Templars and Colossi are out. Which leads me back to what I was saying. He should go 4base swarmhost turtle, because that's the only style that works against a Protoss in full force in the lategame if he has voidrays or immortals to shut down ultras.

Nani couldn't go Colo with that much of his supply tied up in void rays. He'd have to sacrifice units and have a few minutes committed to make the switch, more than enough for zerg to react. Swarm host turtle is good against just about everything, but that doesn't mean it's the only thing good against anything.

a) nani would not have gone colossus initially. He would have gone templar just as in game2 which rape hydras and infestors.
b) what should a zergs reaction to a templar/void ray army be from a hydra/infestor mix? Well, I can answer you. Swarm hosts and static defenses, because those things can keep the templar back. It is the only style against this kind of air play with splash support. Or do you think running roach/hydra/viper/infestor into storms will work out better?

Greendotz

United Kingdom2053 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#791

20 min BC's with upgrades? MMA you dawg you.

Abominous

Croatia1625 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#792

On August 08 2013 02:28 rearee wrote:
"We need a big korean superstar"
Do we? Why?

Antagonists.

Paljas

Germany6926 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#793

happy just needs mass widowmine to counter the bcs

GaliX

Germany380 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#794

On August 08 2013 02:28 rearee wrote:
"We need a big korean superstar"
Do we? Why?

we lost our all time superstar named stephano yesterday.

so a korean superstar will replace him for sure.

FueledUpAndReadyToGo

Netherlands30545 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#795

Monumental amounts of firepower incoming! Cauterize the area!

Noonius

Estonia17413 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#796

that was just so bad

Zenbrez

Canada5973 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#797

This is beautiful

vult

United States9399 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#798

rofl banshees SLAP!

Yello

Germany7411 Posts

August 07 2013 17:29 GMT

#799

Poll: Recommend MMA vs Happy Game 1?

★★★★ - Highly recommended game (32)

68%

★★★ - Good game (8)

17%

★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (4)

9%

★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)

4%

★ - Do not see this game no matter what (1)

2%

47 total votes

Your vote: Recommend MMA vs Happy Game 1?

(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season
(Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★ - Good game
(Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★ - Do not see this game no matter what

Dreamer.T

United States3584 Posts

August 07 2013 17:30 GMT

#800

MMA is displaying some beautiful Terran.

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